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Posted: 5/4/2024 3:46:44 PM EDT
Someone I know recently bought an HA-420 from a surgeon (who was upgrading equipment).
That's a ~$5MM jet that I'm thinking costs not a penny under $1MM/year to operate, likely more. Do surgeons make THAT kind of money? Keep in mind, dude likely lives in a baller-level house and when he goes places in his jet, he likely doesn't sit in a Holiday Inn Express room and play solitaire on his 'puter all day. To me, if just doesn't add up. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 3:48:56 PM EDT
[#1]
Multi-generational money?
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Posted: 5/4/2024 3:49:26 PM EDT
[#2]
Patents
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Posted: 5/4/2024 3:49:42 PM EDT
[#3]
Depends on the specialty.
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Posted: 5/4/2024 3:50:24 PM EDT
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diversified.
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Posted: 5/4/2024 3:50:44 PM EDT
[#5]
First thing to remember is never diagnose someone's wallet.
All kinds of "unexpected" money all kinds of places. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 3:50:54 PM EDT
[#6]
I know an A&P that used to work for GE. He is fucking loaded due to owning a bunch of patents that are licensed out.
It’s not unreasonable a surgeon could be making way more than his salary / office income. Also know an Anesthesiologist that’s wealthy from real estate investing. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 3:51:06 PM EDT
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Bought Bitcoin 10yrs ago
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Posted: 5/4/2024 3:51:19 PM EDT
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You don’t know what his other investments are?
People get money from all different sources. Did he inherit anything? Why is this even a question? |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 3:51:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TheKill]
[#9]
Yes, they make BANK. Although it's not quite as lavish as it used to be now with CMS capping costs and driving the reimbursement train.
Girl has her tits redone. IIRC it was $12k, $7k of that went right to the surgeon. He was at the hospital at 7am, in surgery at 7:30, and he did her and three others before lunch. That's $16k straight profit in a half a day. He did surgeries on M, W, and Fr. Did his office visits Tue, Thurs, and Sat. So imagine doing 5 a day, that's 15 per week at 7k each. That is $105k/week. Assuming taking a month off per year, the gross revenue involved is $5M/yr. Take out expenses for a small office for consults and post op exams, including a front office/biller, and a nurse. Still a SHIT TON of money. And......most surgeons are Type A workaholics too, so most of them aren't just working 6 hours a day five days a week. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 3:52:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PhuzzyGnu: Depends on the specialty. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 3:53:03 PM EDT
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I get it, but if you're going to own a jet, any jet, you need the renewable kind of money, not the "I happened to win the sperm lottery" type money.
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Posted: 5/4/2024 3:54:02 PM EDT
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If this guy can have multiple jets, I don't see why a surgeon can't have at least one.
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Posted: 5/4/2024 3:55:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Duke117]
[#13]
Absolutely.
Dude I know owns a practice with 10+ other surgeons on staff. Has significant revenue from procedures/ patents and does consulting for medical device manufacturers. I’m assuming he runs everything through the LLC but he might have other income sources that I’m not aware of. Either way, he’s ballin’ pretty hard.. My neighbor 2 doors down is a heart surgeon. Doesn’t have a jet, but even as a solo practitioner, his lifestyle tells me he’s pulling 7 figures just cutting on people. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/4/2024 3:55:06 PM EDT
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Only $199.99 a month and this baby could be yours.
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Posted: 5/4/2024 3:55:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kc-coyote: If this guy can have multiple jets, I don't see why a surgeon can't have at least one. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26697/Screenshot_2024-05-04_125340_jpg-3205448.JPG Who the f__k is that guy? |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 3:56:10 PM EDT
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 Some peoples finances aren’t dependent on only their paycheck. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 3:57:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -SkyRaider-: I get it, but if you're going to own a jet, any jet, you need the renewable kind of money, not the "I happened to win the sperm lottery" type money. What’s your backround? I inquire, because I don’t want to ask “are you retarded” It’s possible that you are just wildly naive in the ways of the world. I’ve managed a couple of personally owned corp jets and turboprops, so maybe I can help you understand. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/4/2024 3:58:23 PM EDT
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Scrawny blondes adult woman singing about all the turmoil she feels after her dozens of breakups has a few, so I don't see why a surgeon who is obviously more skilled & valuable to a man shouldn't.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:03:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -SkyRaider-: Who the f__k is that guy? A nut. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:07:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ZW17]
[#20]
I know an oral surgeon that owns a private jet.
He owns three of his own practices. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:08:19 PM EDT
[#21]
Sure, especially if they own a couple patents useful to the medical field.
Also, if they're on the board at a big hospital they could have income from more sources than just their own surgical work. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:08:39 PM EDT
[#22]
Yes, can confirm.
In many cases docs will share co-ownership of a jet with their colleagues to help displace the cost of ownership. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:08:53 PM EDT
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I think the assumption that the surgeon's only income is from performing surgery is why the OP is surprised and shocked.
A lot of doctors I've worked with came from family money. Some lots of it. And then there are patents, consulting, and all kinds of other income not related to the OR |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:09:14 PM EDT
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If you are the senior partner of a large and well run group AND you own the outpatient surgical center you might earn that kind of money. If you are just a cutter you will not make that kind of money. Unless perhaps, you don’t take insurance and service a very wealthy clientele
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:09:21 PM EDT
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Maybe he is a world class plastic surgeon who works miracles like this......................
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:10:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -SkyRaider-: Who the f__k is that guy? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -SkyRaider-: Originally Posted By kc-coyote: If this guy can have multiple jets, I don't see why a surgeon can't have at least one. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26697/Screenshot_2024-05-04_125340_jpg-3205448.JPG Who the f__k is that guy? "Minister" Kenneth Copeland. The interview associated with the photo.  Full Interview: Preacher Kenneth Copeland Defends Lavish Lifestyle |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:10:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: What’s your backround? I inquire, because I don’t want to ask “are you retarded” It’s possible that you are just wildly naive in the ways of the world. I’ve managed a couple of personally owned corp jets and turboprops, so maybe I can help you understand. Part 135 businesses I’m guessing? |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:11:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bullseye100]
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Dr. Fred Simeone did pretty well for himself. This museum has some of the rarest race cars in the world in it. It may not be an airplane but I bet these cars add up to a hell of a lot more than a private jet.
ETA: Dr. Simeone was a surgeon. He carved up my wife's back twice. He was well known for being one of the best in Philadelphia. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:12:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: You don’t know what his other investments are? People get money from all different sources. Did he inherit anything? Why is this even a question? This. THe guy may have inherited money. They guy may have patents on medical equipment. THe guy may have made side investments that paid off. He may have taken his surgial knowlege and created a medial equipment company A surgeon's salary is not going to support a private jet but all of those other things certainly could have. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:13:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Logcutter: I think the assumption that the surgeon's only income is from performing surgery is why the OP is surprised and shocked. A lot of doctors I've worked with came from family money. Some lots of it. And then there are patents, consulting, and all kinds of other income not related to the OR Doing the work isn't where most of the money is made. Owning the facility that does the procedures is. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:13:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Millennial]
[#31]
He could have had successful investments that bought the jet. He could be a part-owner of the jet (like a co-op thing).
Operating costs could be significantly offset if not completely covered by just chartering out the jet when not in use. Lots of people that have yachts and beachfront villas and jets and deepwater fishing boats charter/rent them out 75% of the time they aren't being used. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:13:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Goodn]
[#32]
Well.. an eye surgeon was killed in his P-40 last summer.
I know it's not a private jet. But... |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:14:13 PM EDT
[#33]
Could own his own surgery center business. Exaggerating expenses. Sure, I could see that. In my line of work, the PPP allowed more than you think to buy luxury import cars and mansions.
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:14:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goodn: Well.. an eye surgeon was killed in his P-40 last summer. I know it's not a private jet. But... Are his remains still in China? |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:15:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TurdyDingo: And if they are owners in the facility. Doing the work isn't where most of the money is made. Owning the facility that does the procedures is. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TurdyDingo: Originally Posted By Logcutter: I think the assumption that the surgeon's only income is from performing surgery is why the OP is surprised and shocked. A lot of doctors I've worked with came from family money. Some lots of it. And then there are patents, consulting, and all kinds of other income not related to the OR Doing the work isn't where most of the money is made. Owning the facility that does the procedures is. An old adage--you don't get rich being a surgeon but a smart surgeon can leverage his higher than usual salary into something that makes him rich. I invested in commercial properties that bring me more now than my day job. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:16:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USCG_CPO: Maybe he is a world class plastic surgeon who works miracles like this...................... https://external-preview.redd.it/5QbdQMa3GOSaOogzmpPiBpuTTkh5o8jw9BoHXswm6Ow.jpg?auto=webp&s=b07e86620fb4b0a290d8eaec893bb32d36adfb8f I've only ever seen her in makeup.  |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:17:08 PM EDT
[#37]
Yes, very possible. In med school, I did a rotation with a pair of retinal surgeons. They were both pilots too. They owned a small jet that they flew to the various clinics in the intermountain west. Their equipment costs hundreds of thousands and they weren't about to check it in a commercial plane's hold. They owned the jet as a business asset and expense.
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:17:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Grumple]
[#38]
Totally possible.
As an example, a urologist, who is part of a LUGPA group that is also a partner of the group There are some very wealthy physicians among us. |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:18:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scalped: Are his remains still in China? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scalped: Originally Posted By Goodn: Well.. an eye surgeon was killed in his P-40 last summer. I know it's not a private jet. But... Are his remains still in China? If Montana is in China... Sure. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:18:10 PM EDT
[#40]
Not likely off his salary.
https://www.indeed.com/career/surgeon/salaries A good friend owns a private practice and is Chair of gen surgery at the biggest healthcare provider in my state. He does well but not owning a private jet well. On the other hand a friend owns machine shop that makes orthopedic implants. They own a pair of citations and some smaller prop stuff their spoiled kids fly(pilot) around in. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:18:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -SkyRaider-: Who the f__k is that guy? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -SkyRaider-: Originally Posted By kc-coyote: If this guy can have multiple jets, I don't see why a surgeon can't have at least one. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26697/Screenshot_2024-05-04_125340_jpg-3205448.JPG Who the f__k is that guy? A man of god, allegedly. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:20:06 PM EDT
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I know a retired af pilot with one. He went into a business deal with a pilot trainer that wanted to get into business for himself but didn't have the ability to finance a plane.
They worked a deal out, dude started a business training pilots and hired the trainer and writes most of the plane off on taxes. The trainer maintains the jet (not physically but know what's required to keep the plane air worthy) and if the owner needs a flight to a business meeting (happens 2/3 times a year) and doesn't interfere with the training he gets to be a pimp and fly private lol. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:20:59 PM EDT
[#43]
Probably richest guy I know is a Dr who invented stuff too.
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:22:27 PM EDT
[#44]
James Andrews has a 9-digit net worth.
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:23:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ISED8U: Yes, can confirm. In many cases docs will share co-ownership of a jet with their colleagues to help displace the cost of ownership. Came to say this. Fractional ownership. At some point the group sells it. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:24:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ruin: A man of god, allegedly. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ruin: Originally Posted By -SkyRaider-: Originally Posted By kc-coyote: If this guy can have multiple jets, I don't see why a surgeon can't have at least one. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/26697/Screenshot_2024-05-04_125340_jpg-3205448.JPG Who the f__k is that guy? A man of god, allegedly. Now, now. You just donate more to his "ministry" and you might just find yourself more in God's favor as well and enjoy similar worldly success. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:25:38 PM EDT
[#47]
Cosmetic plastic surgeons, especially in places like Los Angeles, New York, Miami, etc. can make A LOT of money. It isn't just surgeries, they do injections of Botox, fillers, etc. All cash so no insurance or Medicare nonsense. If they are smart they will diversify and invest, and many do. While other surgeons still make good money, it isn't at the level of cosmetic plastic surgeons who are almost exclusively cash.
So yes, surgeons can own private jets. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:25:39 PM EDT
[#48]
Local guy I like (did an excellent job with my father) ran his own cardiovascular surgical center and satellite offices. He exclusively does surgeries.
He's done VERY well and only in his 40's. Another 10-15 years of big income and aggressive investments? Sky's the limit. Throw in real-estate and other side businesses, partnerships, who knows. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:26:11 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bohr_Adam: Now, now. You just donate more to his "ministry" and you might just find yourself more in God's favor as well and enjoy similar worldly success. Yeah. Fuck that guy. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 4:27:30 PM EDT
[#50]
Part 135 business write off.
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