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Posted: 5/4/2024 11:42:03 PM EDT
Most rifle ammo comes 20 rounds per box.
Most pistol ammo comes 50 rounds per box. Why? Who is responsible for these arbitraty numbers? And why did they choose 50 for pistol and 20 for rifle? Why can’t we have the same round count boxes for simplicity? Are the British responsible? Was there a gentlemen’s agreement in the 1800s I was not aware of. I need answers now. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 11:43:40 PM EDT
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Pizza is round .. but is cut into triangles... And comes in a square box ...
Why ask why? |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 11:45:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Duke117]
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Posted: 5/4/2024 11:46:01 PM EDT
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Why not?
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Posted: 5/4/2024 11:50:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Duke117: Ponder this, OP... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/562102/IMG_3568_jpeg-3205871.JPG Entirely explainable. The product of an angry Serb. In some small way an act of rebellion. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 11:54:15 PM EDT
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I’m gonna guess it has to do with the mass/weight disparity of pistol vs rifle to have uniformish box sizes for the shelves
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Posted: 5/4/2024 11:58:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SrBenelli: Pizza is round .. but is cut into triangles... And comes in a square box ... Why ask why? Because I want uniformity. And I want to know who is responsible. Did somebody say “I want to kill x number or people, that should take 20 rifle cartridges, or 50 pistol cartridges. So pack these rifle cartridges 20 per box and these pistol cartridges 50 per box” |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 11:59:14 PM EDT
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It's because the first rifle- the AR-10 - and the first pistol - the first handgun - the keltec p50- held those number of rounds respectively.
Or it was the general price per round for each. Who knows? |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:03:48 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By MrHelper: I’m gonna guess it has to do with the mass/weight disparity of pistol vs rifle to have uniformish box sizes for the shelves Plausible. Originally Posted By Alnen123: It's because the first rifle- the AR-10 - and the first pistol - the first handgun - the keltec p50- held those number of rounds respectively. Or it was the general price per round for each. Who knows? Now we’re getting somewhere. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:08:05 AM EDT
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1000rd boxes
 
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:09:03 AM EDT
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The proper number of rounds per box should be 87.
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:14:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 14BoltFF: The proper number of rounds per box should be 87. I am open to the fact this may be the ideal number. But our ammo overlords have a different opinion. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:19:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: twistedcomrade]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gogetumnow: I am open to the fact this may be the ideal number. But our ammo overlords have a different opinion. |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:21:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: 1000rd boxes https://i.imgur.com/pSrmXyr.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7bsHw8s.jpg Best boxes |
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USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:42:34 AM EDT
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Colombian Indumil m855 comes in 35 round boxes....because they use Galils.
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USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:49:51 AM EDT
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Dunno about pistol, but the average Fudd probably shoots about 20 rounds every 4 years or so.....3 shots per year to sight in on the paper plate, and 2 shots per year at deer grazing at night...
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OR, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:59:00 AM EDT
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50 rounds in a box of 223 doesn't sound like such a bad idea. 50 rounds in a box of 300 win mag sounds like dumb idea.
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:59:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: 1000rd boxes https://i.imgur.com/pSrmXyr.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7bsHw8s.jpg 
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USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:59:44 AM EDT
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Because.
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Posted: 5/5/2024 2:17:20 AM EDT
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The boxes I normally buy ammo in contain 1000 rounds.
Except the fancy- bonded JHP are 500 count |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 2:27:42 AM EDT
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Maybe because one of them is bigger than the other.
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Posted: 5/5/2024 6:59:41 AM EDT
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I believe Brownells has a barrel....
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KY, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 7:01:47 AM EDT
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GGG sells their m193 in 50round boxes
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Posted: 5/5/2024 7:03:27 AM EDT
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You could always buy the Hornady rifle ammo in fifty round boxes if it would ease your mind
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MO, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 7:10:23 AM EDT
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Wait til OP finds out about the hot dog to bun package ratio
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 7:24:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: You could always buy the Hornady rifle ammo in fifty round boxes if it would ease your mind Then the Fudds would be bitching about how that's a lifetime supply, and how they only need one round per hunting season, and why should they buy so much ammo? 
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USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 7:27:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JoeDevola: Colombian Indumil m855 comes in 35 round boxes....because they use Galils. Not a commercial production but a military production but I always liked how the 7.62x25 ammo was packaged into 7 round wax paper inside the box because the Tokarev pistol held 7 rounds and when they created the ppsh-43 they had 35 round stick mags. The ppsh-41 had a 71 round drum mag but I wonder if the goal was 70. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 7:29:42 AM EDT
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For a lot of Fudds, 20 rounds last a couple of years. Why would they want to buy more?
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Posted: 5/5/2024 7:44:14 AM EDT
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Aside from intermediate rounds such as 5.56, 7.62x39, etc (which is sold in bulk packs), nobody is banging away 50 magnum rounds in a sitting. Some match shooters, but they aren't buying factory rounds.
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MD, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 7:49:31 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By gogetumnow: Most rifle ammo comes 20 rounds per box. Most pistol ammo comes 50 rounds per box. Why? Who is responsible for these arbitraty numbers? I need answers now. Joined Nov 2001 I guess you have been thinking about this for a long time? 
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Posted: 5/5/2024 7:50:56 AM EDT
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It might really blow your mind to know that German WW2 9mm boxes were 32 rounds
 (Because the Luger and P38 have 8 round mags and the MP40 has a 32 round mag) |
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USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 7:56:12 AM EDT
[#31]
It's to even the odds a little.
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Posted: 5/5/2024 8:01:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: pale_pony]
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one of the ammo manufacturers used to sell the "pocket pack" of 5 rifle bullets... i. shit. you. not.
it was the ultimate Fudd pack, made just for people who went deer hunting once a year kind of like the dozens of bow hunters I know who store their archery equipment every year at the local pawn shop bow season is the hunting season for all the daddies who've had to go to prison |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 9:38:32 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/5/2024 9:42:01 AM EDT
[#34]
I have never seen 30 Carbine not sold in 50 round boxes.
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Posted: 5/5/2024 9:42:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chokey: 1000rd boxes https://i.imgur.com/pSrmXyr.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7bsHw8s.jpg /Thread |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 9:45:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kingdead: Maybe because one of them is bigger than the other. This. And 50 round centerfire pistol boxes and 20 round .30cal rifle boxes are about the same size on the shelf. Kharn |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 9:46:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billclo: Then the Fudds would be bitching about how that's a lifetime supply, and how they only need one round per hunting season, and why should they buy so much ammo? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By billclo: Originally Posted By tc556guy: You could always buy the Hornady rifle ammo in fifty round boxes if it would ease your mind Then the Fudds would be bitching about how that's a lifetime supply, and how they only need one round per hunting season, and why should they buy so much ammo? Then as soon as their buddy gets out of sight, they buy three more boxes. Kharn |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 9:53:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: XJ]
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 50 in the box, and yes it was from quite a few years ago |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 9:56:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/5/2024 9:58:12 AM EDT
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Primarily because rifle ammo is more expensive and traditionally, most people are buying it for hunting. As a hunter, a 20rd box will last me a while. Maybe two or three rounds to check zero at the beginning of the season, and maybe two or 3 rounds expended killing a deer. As long as my zero has not changed, and I use the same brand of ammo, I really don't need to practice or plink with it. That 4 boxes of 350 legend I have will last a couple decades.
Varmint hunting may be different as I use a lot more ammo. I might shoot 80 woodchucks a year. I make my own, but I'm aware that some people might buy ammo. Still, if I load 100 rds of varmint ammo a year, I'm good. Handgun or .22, yep, I shoot a lot of that. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:05:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pale_pony: one of the ammo manufacturers used to sell the "pocket pack" of 5 rifle bullets... i. shit. you. not. it was the ultimate Fudd pack, made just for people who went deer hunting once a year kind of like the dozens of bow hunters I know who store their archery equipment every year at the local pawn shop bow season is the hunting season for all the daddies who've had to go to prison Well, when you only had 1 tag and shot a deer the first day, you usually only hunted 1 day. I only carry 5 rounds when deer hunting. If I can't get a deer, or 2 with 5 rounds, I need to go to the range and practice as I have no place out hunting. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:09:15 AM EDT
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Ever walk in the store and see the rifle and pistol boxes are not that differing in size? Now imagine a 50 round rifle box to match. And don't forget the price point of a 50 round rifle box compare to a 50 round pistol box.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:10:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SuperHeavy]
[#43]
Size & weight.... and so that people don't bawk at the price of 50x rounds of rifle ammo.
Let's ignore companies who do retardedly large packing. But 20 rounds of rifle is relatively compact, so is 50rds of handgun. If you talk in terms of 5.56 and Nato it keeps both under $10 in a perfect world. IMI and the Turkish 556 being sold in 30rd boxes was perfect. But I don't really want 30rd boxes of .308 or 30-06. Also I really think 5.56 in 20rd boxes was based on magazine capacity. Vietnam m196 that hit the market a few years ago was in 20rd boxes. M14's had 20rd magazines too. Go back to WWII.... 30-06 was in 20rd boxes. Perfect for a BAR and was still a big box. M1 Garand ammo came already in clips. I doubt commercial sales was the issue. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:15:38 AM EDT
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I asked Sam at SGAmmo why they didn't have IMI 5.56 in the 30 rnd boxes they originally came in. He said that US consumers have been conditioned to think in quantities of 20/50 per box and that the 30 rnd boxes sell much less than the 20 rnd boxes
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:17:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bologna: Wait til OP finds out about the hot dog to bun package ratio 
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:20:03 AM EDT
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20 round box= 4x 5-rd mags,5x 4-rd mags, 2x 10-rd mags, or 1x 20-round mag. 3x boxes = 2x 30-rd mags. Hell, 2x boxes = 5 Garand clips. 20 is a very good number for rifle boxes.
Pistol, well, that's 8 cylinders for a 6-shot revolver with two spares, or 10 for 5. That's also 5x 10-round mags, or 7x 7-round mags with one spare, or 3x 15-rounders with 5 spares. of those, the only one that would make sense to change the box size for is the 15 rounders. But after you chamber one and top off, well, it's stupid to have a 46-round box. Those sizes are good compromises when you don't know exactly how the ammo you're making is going to be used. If it it makes you feel better, the French used to issue rifle ammo in multiples of 8 for their Lebels. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:20:41 AM EDT
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The more important question is why
8 hotdog buns And 10 hotdogs |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:30:02 AM EDT
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I remember the time (long ago) I was looking at a box of .44mag, and it seemed kind of cheap. The guy pulled it off the shelf, and I was surprised by how small the box was. I had never seen a 25 round box before. I bought it anyway, but thought that I had overpaid instead of getting a deal.
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:32:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BURN: The more important question is why 8 hotdog buns And 10 hotdogs 
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USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:56:53 AM EDT
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My rifle ammo comes in 10 rd boxes.
 And it used to be plentiful and cheap. 
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