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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:12:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BURN]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By haveTwo: Mostly because the cop kicked a moving car and then lied about it to fuck over the driver. Why should he not face consequences ten times what the driver was facing? Oh, wait, it's because he's immune to questioning, because he's a government agent? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By haveTwo: Originally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: Originally Posted By raygixxer89: I would say that I didn't stop because the cop was obviously a pissed off idiot and thought he might shoot me. I shouldn't be calling it "paperwork". It's a Facebook post by the PR folks not any official report or documentation. Originally Posted By FFmedicAdam: So do I need to stop and render aid after someone assaults me and damages my private property? I should have to stick around to allow them to continue the assault. Should I get out of my car when someone begins kicking it. I would also state that I saw no evidence of him breaking traffic control directions and since the cop has already impugned himself once especially while he is it while committing a crime that I find his testimony on it less than credible. That is pretty much how that would be summed up by most defense attorneys I would imagine. I think I would drop it if I were the DA as well. The media cut it to hype the story? The car in the right lane slowing for a stop while the white car continues through the intersection and changes lanes implies that he did violate the officer's directions. If you drive past a traffic control officer that ordered you to stop and he whacks your car you don't get to accuse him of assault. Without knowing exactly he wrote in the actual police report I cannot say whether his testimony about the incident is credible. Originally Posted By gillplate: Cop should serve the maximum sentence that the driver would have received if convicted. Mostly because the cop kicked a moving car and then lied about it to fuck over the driver. Why should he not face consequences ten times what the driver was facing? Oh, wait, it's because he's immune to questioning, because he's a government agent? That would be directly related by how he wrote it up. One way is a lie One way the truth but I didn't see a report posted. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:13:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By haveTwo: "I kicked the car" vs "he hit me" Kinda different, ehh? And if he's playing that loose with the truth... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By haveTwo: Originally Posted By BURN: If a cop is directing traffic and you ignore him, and he strikes your car... Yeah, he struck your car because you ignored his traffic directions... You are they bad guy not the cop. YMMV "I kicked the car" vs "he hit me" Kinda different, ehh? And if he's playing that loose with the truth... I don't know what the police report says. Do you? |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:15:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JosephTurrisi: And yet no mention of charges of filing a false police report or perjury |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:16:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BURN: That would be directly rated by how he wrote it up. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BURN: Originally Posted By haveTwo: Originally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: Originally Posted By raygixxer89: I would say that I didn't stop because the cop was obviously a pissed off idiot and thought he might shoot me. I shouldn't be calling it "paperwork". It's a Facebook post by the PR folks not any official report or documentation. Originally Posted By FFmedicAdam: So do I need to stop and render aid after someone assaults me and damages my private property? I should have to stick around to allow them to continue the assault. Should I get out of my car when someone begins kicking it. I would also state that I saw no evidence of him breaking traffic control directions and since the cop has already impugned himself once especially while he is it while committing a crime that I find his testimony on it less than credible. That is pretty much how that would be summed up by most defense attorneys I would imagine. I think I would drop it if I were the DA as well. The media cut it to hype the story? The car in the right lane slowing for a stop while the white car continues through the intersection and changes lanes implies that he did violate the officer's directions. If you drive past a traffic control officer that ordered you to stop and he whacks your car you don't get to accuse him of assault. Without knowing exactly he wrote in the actual police report I cannot say whether his testimony about the incident is credible. Originally Posted By gillplate: Cop should serve the maximum sentence that the driver would have received if convicted. Mostly because the cop kicked a moving car and then lied about it to fuck over the driver. Why should he not face consequences ten times what the driver was facing? Oh, wait, it's because he's immune to questioning, because he's a government agent? That would be directly rated by how he wrote it up. Well, given that I've had many experiences where cops get irritated because I don't immediately understand what they are trying to do, including today, and that they dropped everything minus the disobeying traffic control signals, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that what the cop wrote down, and what the camera shows are not the same. At all. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:18:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: haveTwo]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BURN: I don't know what the police report says. Do you? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BURN: Originally Posted By haveTwo: Originally Posted By BURN: If a cop is directing traffic and you ignore him, and he strikes your car... Yeah, he struck your car because you ignored his traffic directions... You are they bad guy not the cop. YMMV To be clear, they dropped the serious charges after seeing the video. What does that imply? "I kicked the car" vs "he hit me" Kinda different, ehh? And if he's playing that loose with the truth... I don't know what the police report says. Do you? They dropped the serious charges after seeing the video. What does that say? |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:30:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By haveTwo: They dropped the serious charges after seeing the video. What does that say? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By haveTwo: Originally Posted By BURN: Originally Posted By haveTwo: Originally Posted By BURN: If a cop is directing traffic and you ignore him, and he strikes your car... Yeah, he struck your car because you ignored his traffic directions... You are they bad guy not the cop. YMMV To be clear, they dropped the serious charges after seeing the video. What does that imply? "I kicked the car" vs "he hit me" Kinda different, ehh? And if he's playing that loose with the truth... I don't know what the police report says. Do you? They dropped the serious charges after seeing the video. What does that say? IMHO, that says the cop was lying his ass off in whatever story he told his superiors. Unless his superiors are shitbags too, they'll throw him under the bus for lying to them. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:34:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: IMHO, that says the cop was lying his ass off in whatever story he told his superiors. Unless his superiors are shitbags too, they'll throw him under the bus for lying to them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By haveTwo: Originally Posted By BURN: Originally Posted By haveTwo: Originally Posted By BURN: If a cop is directing traffic and you ignore him, and he strikes your car... Yeah, he struck your car because you ignored his traffic directions... You are they bad guy not the cop. YMMV To be clear, they dropped the serious charges after seeing the video. What does that imply? "I kicked the car" vs "he hit me" Kinda different, ehh? And if he's playing that loose with the truth... I don't know what the police report says. Do you? They dropped the serious charges after seeing the video. What does that say? IMHO, that says the cop was lying his ass off in whatever story he told his superiors. Unless his superiors are shitbags too, they'll throw him under the bus for lying to them. Him being a lying shit bag does not preclude his chain of command from being that either. It was the DA that dropped charges, no? |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:40:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By haveTwo: Well, given that I've had many experiences where cops get irritated because I don't immediately understand what they are trying to do, including today, and that they dropped everything minus the disobeying traffic control signals, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that what the cop wrote down, and what the camera shows are not the same. At all. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By haveTwo: Originally Posted By BURN: Originally Posted By haveTwo: Originally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: Originally Posted By raygixxer89: I would say that I didn't stop because the cop was obviously a pissed off idiot and thought he might shoot me. I shouldn't be calling it "paperwork". It's a Facebook post by the PR folks not any official report or documentation. Originally Posted By FFmedicAdam: So do I need to stop and render aid after someone assaults me and damages my private property? I should have to stick around to allow them to continue the assault. Should I get out of my car when someone begins kicking it. I would also state that I saw no evidence of him breaking traffic control directions and since the cop has already impugned himself once especially while he is it while committing a crime that I find his testimony on it less than credible. That is pretty much how that would be summed up by most defense attorneys I would imagine. I think I would drop it if I were the DA as well. The media cut it to hype the story? The car in the right lane slowing for a stop while the white car continues through the intersection and changes lanes implies that he did violate the officer's directions. If you drive past a traffic control officer that ordered you to stop and he whacks your car you don't get to accuse him of assault. Without knowing exactly he wrote in the actual police report I cannot say whether his testimony about the incident is credible. Originally Posted By gillplate: Cop should serve the maximum sentence that the driver would have received if convicted. Mostly because the cop kicked a moving car and then lied about it to fuck over the driver. Why should he not face consequences ten times what the driver was facing? Oh, wait, it's because he's immune to questioning, because he's a government agent? That would be directly rated by how he wrote it up. Well, given that I've had many experiences where cops get irritated because I don't immediately understand what they are trying to do, including today, and that they dropped everything minus the disobeying traffic control signals, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that what the cop wrote down, and what the camera shows are not the same. At all. or its election season and the DA's office is plying vote for me fuck fuck games. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:42:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: IMHO, that says the cop was lying his ass off in whatever story he told his superiors. Unless his superiors are shitbags too, they'll throw him under the bus for lying to them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By haveTwo: Originally Posted By BURN: Originally Posted By haveTwo: Originally Posted By BURN: If a cop is directing traffic and you ignore him, and he strikes your car... Yeah, he struck your car because you ignored his traffic directions... You are they bad guy not the cop. YMMV But all DA's are perfect and never do shady shit in election years..right? I mean I'm right arn't I? I mean all DA's love police officers... To be clear, they dropped the serious charges after seeing the video. What does that imply? "I kicked the car" vs "he hit me" Kinda different, ehh? And if he's playing that loose with the truth... I don't know what the police report says. Do you? They dropped the serious charges after seeing the video. What does that say? IMHO, that says the cop was lying his ass off in whatever story he told his superiors. Unless his superiors are shitbags too, they'll throw him under the bus for lying to them. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:43:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JosephTurrisi: And yet no mention of charges of filing a false police report or perjury Just one bad apple out of a barrel of bad apples… |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:45:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bjkb1f: Just one bad apple out of a barrel of bad apples… Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bjkb1f: Originally Posted By JosephTurrisi: And yet no mention of charges of filing a false police report or perjury Just one bad apple out of a barrel of bad apples… Did he file a lie in his report...can you show me? |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:47:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By haveTwo: Him being a lying shit bag does not preclude his chain of command from being that either. It was the DA that dropped charges, no? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By haveTwo: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By haveTwo: Originally Posted By BURN: Originally Posted By haveTwo: Originally Posted By BURN: If a cop is directing traffic and you ignore him, and he strikes your car... Yeah, he struck your car because you ignored his traffic directions... You are they bad guy not the cop. YMMV To be clear, they dropped the serious charges after seeing the video. What does that imply? "I kicked the car" vs "he hit me" Kinda different, ehh? And if he's playing that loose with the truth... I don't know what the police report says. Do you? They dropped the serious charges after seeing the video. What does that say? IMHO, that says the cop was lying his ass off in whatever story he told his superiors. Unless his superiors are shitbags too, they'll throw him under the bus for lying to them. Him being a lying shit bag does not preclude his chain of command from being that either. It was the DA that dropped charges, no? That appears to be what was reported. My comment was that bosses don't like being lied to or surprised by subordinates, shitbags or no. If they're shitbags, they'd want to be in on the lie and they got surprised. If they're not shitbags, they're pissed they were lied to. Either way, my guess is that cop is going to be thrown under the bus. One can only hope. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:49:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BURN: Did he file a lie in his report...can you show me? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BURN: Originally Posted By bjkb1f: Originally Posted By JosephTurrisi: And yet no mention of charges of filing a false police report or perjury Just one bad apple out of a barrel of bad apples… Did he file a lie in his report...can you show me? I mean, the cops could release it I'm guessing. Might be good way to get people to turn on the anti cop DA. Assuming it was a truthful report. And assuming the DA was playing politics. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:50:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: That appears to be what was reported. My comment was that bosses don't like being lied to or surprised by subordinates, shitbags or no. If they're shitbags, they'd want to be in on the lie and they got surprised. If they're not shitbags, they're pissed they were lied to. Either way, my guess is that cop is going to be thrown under the bus. One can only hope. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By haveTwo: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By haveTwo: Originally Posted By BURN: Originally Posted By haveTwo: Originally Posted By BURN: If a cop is directing traffic and you ignore him, and he strikes your car... Yeah, he struck your car because you ignored his traffic directions... You are they bad guy not the cop. YMMV To be clear, they dropped the serious charges after seeing the video. What does that imply? "I kicked the car" vs "he hit me" Kinda different, ehh? And if he's playing that loose with the truth... I don't know what the police report says. Do you? They dropped the serious charges after seeing the video. What does that say? IMHO, that says the cop was lying his ass off in whatever story he told his superiors. Unless his superiors are shitbags too, they'll throw him under the bus for lying to them. Him being a lying shit bag does not preclude his chain of command from being that either. It was the DA that dropped charges, no? That appears to be what was reported. My comment was that bosses don't like being lied to or surprised by subordinates, shitbags or no. If they're shitbags, they'd want to be in on the lie and they got surprised. If they're not shitbags, they're pissed they were lied to. Either way, my guess is that cop is going to be thrown under the bus. One can only hope. Fair points all around I hadn't thought of. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:53:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By haveTwo: I mean, the cops could release it I'm guessing. Might be good way to get people to turn on the anti cop DA. Assuming it was a truthful report. And assuming the DA was playing politics. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By haveTwo: Originally Posted By BURN: Originally Posted By bjkb1f: Originally Posted By JosephTurrisi: And yet no mention of charges of filing a false police report or perjury Just one bad apple out of a barrel of bad apples… Did he file a lie in his report...can you show me? I mean, the cops could release it I'm guessing. Might be good way to get people to turn on the anti cop DA. Assuming it was a truthful report. And assuming the DA was playing politics. Don't get me wrong this could be a case of Cop is asshole or Driver is asshole or When assholes collide. or DA is asshole Or any and all combinations therefore of. But jumping to conclusions because some media type says I should is exactly why I won't. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:54:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MainePure: I feel like we need to see more Corely Peel. Great minds think alike. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:58:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BURN: Don't get me wrong this could be a case of Cop is asshole or Driver is asshole or When assholes collide. or DA is asshole Or any and all combinations therefore of. But jumping to conclusions because some media type says I should is exactly why I won't. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BURN: Originally Posted By haveTwo: Originally Posted By BURN: Originally Posted By bjkb1f: Originally Posted By JosephTurrisi: And yet no mention of charges of filing a false police report or perjury Just one bad apple out of a barrel of bad apples… Did he file a lie in his report...can you show me? I mean, the cops could release it I'm guessing. Might be good way to get people to turn on the anti cop DA. Assuming it was a truthful report. And assuming the DA was playing politics. Don't get me wrong this could be a case of Cop is asshole or Driver is asshole or When assholes collide. or DA is asshole Or any and all combinations therefore of. But jumping to conclusions because some media type says I should is exactly why I won't. Well given the tendency for government types to circle the wagon, I'd say it's a crying shame more aren't automatically distrustful of anything government agents accuse citizens of. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:59:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: Pull off 100 yards down the road and call 911. Making them track you down at home, as indicated in the paperwork shown, is just stupid and stupid should hurt. I shouldn't be calling it "paperwork". It's a Facebook post by the PR folks not any official report or documentation. Don't be daft. See above. The media cut it to hype the story? The car in the right lane slowing for a stop while the white car continues through the intersection and changes lanes implies that he did violate the officer's directions. If you drive past a traffic control officer that ordered you to stop and he whacks your car you don't get to accuse him of assault. Without knowing exactly he wrote in the actual police report I cannot say whether his testimony about the incident is credible. Why? That cop definitely wasn't committing a hit-and-run. About that “whacking your car for not stopping for a traffic control officer”: You say that as if the officer is entitled to meet out extrajudicial punishment to drivers breaking the law. I’m interested in that mechanism of the law that allows that. Could you explain that concept for me, please? |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 1:04:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BURN: If a cop is directing traffic and you ignore him, and he strikes your car... Yeah, he struck your car because you ignored his traffic directions... You are they bad guy not the cop. YMMV It’s my understanding that ignoring traffic directions results in a written citation that ultimately a the judicial system applies some level of punishment for. Where is it in the penal code that allows police officers to beat on your car if you make them mad? Does that also extend to the driver after you get them stopped? |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 1:06:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TAG_Match: About that “whacking your car for not stopping for a traffic control officer”: You say that as if the officer is entitled to meet out extrajudicial punishment to drivers breaking the law. I’m interested in that mechanism of the law that allows that. Could you explain that concept for me, please? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TAG_Match: Originally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: Pull off 100 yards down the road and call 911. Making them track you down at home, as indicated in the paperwork shown, is just stupid and stupid should hurt. I shouldn't be calling it "paperwork". It's a Facebook post by the PR folks not any official report or documentation. Don't be daft. See above. The media cut it to hype the story? The car in the right lane slowing for a stop while the white car continues through the intersection and changes lanes implies that he did violate the officer's directions. If you drive past a traffic control officer that ordered you to stop and he whacks your car you don't get to accuse him of assault. Without knowing exactly he wrote in the actual police report I cannot say whether his testimony about the incident is credible. Why? That cop definitely wasn't committing a hit-and-run. About that “whacking your car for not stopping for a traffic control officer”: You say that as if the officer is entitled to meet out extrajudicial punishment to drivers breaking the law. I’m interested in that mechanism of the law that allows that. Could you explain that concept for me, please? Fits with the all too common "comply immediately how I want you to or get fucked up" attitude. I've been yelled at because I paused when officers were directing traffic. I'm sure they would have been calm if I'd proceed rapidly in a way they weren't expecting. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 1:10:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TAG_Match: About that “whacking your car for not stopping for a traffic control officer”: You say that as if the officer is entitled to meet out extrajudicial punishment to drivers breaking the law. I’m interested in that mechanism of the law that allows that. Could you explain that concept for me, please? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TAG_Match: Originally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: Pull off 100 yards down the road and call 911. Making them track you down at home, as indicated in the paperwork shown, is just stupid and stupid should hurt. I shouldn't be calling it "paperwork". It's a Facebook post by the PR folks not any official report or documentation. Don't be daft. See above. The media cut it to hype the story? The car in the right lane slowing for a stop while the white car continues through the intersection and changes lanes implies that he did violate the officer's directions. If you drive past a traffic control officer that ordered you to stop and he whacks your car you don't get to accuse him of assault. Without knowing exactly he wrote in the actual police report I cannot say whether his testimony about the incident is credible. Why? That cop definitely wasn't committing a hit-and-run. About that “whacking your car for not stopping for a traffic control officer”: You say that as if the officer is entitled to meet out extrajudicial punishment to drivers breaking the law. I’m interested in that mechanism of the law that allows that. Could you explain that concept for me, please? Less lethal version of spike strips. 
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Posted: 5/5/2024 1:11:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BURN: Don't get me wrong this could be a case of Cop is asshole or Driver is asshole or When assholes collide. or DA is asshole Or any and all combinations therefore of. But jumping to conclusions because some media type says I should is exactly why I won't. Agree there is a lot of unknowns. But one thing that is for certain is the cop is retarded and he kicks like a fag. 
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Posted: 5/5/2024 1:12:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BURN: Less lethal version of spike strips. There’s that. 
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Posted: 5/5/2024 1:15:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TAG_Match: It’s my understanding that ignoring traffic directions results in a written citation that ultimately a the judicial system applies some level of punishment for. Where is it in the penal code that allows police officers to beat on your car if you make them mad? Does that also extend to the driver after you get them stopped? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TAG_Match: Originally Posted By BURN: If a cop is directing traffic and you ignore him, and he strikes your car... Yeah, he struck your car because you ignored his traffic directions... You are they bad guy not the cop. YMMV It’s my understanding that ignoring traffic directions results in a written citation that ultimately a the judicial system applies some level of punishment for. Where is it in the penal code that allows police officers to beat on your car if you make them mad? Does that also extend to the driver after you get them stopped? Not in this case.. but if an officer tells car "A" to go and car "B" to stop but car "B" doesn't stop and is about to hit car "A" the smacking the car would be a means t get the inattentive drivers attention. I don't trust all cops I don't trust all DA's I don't rust all Judges I don't trust any media. My point being too many people just jump to conclusions. What happened before and after the video? What does the Police report actually say? |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 1:21:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JosephTurrisi: And yet no mention of charges of filing a false police report or perjury My first thought. The cop should be arrested and removed from any law enforcement duties forever. He can't be trusted to tell the truth. He also needs to be charged for kicking the guys car. Malicious mischief at minimum. |
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NM, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 1:30:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BURN: Not in this case.. but if an officer tells car "A" to go and car "B" to stop but car "B" doesn't stop and is about to hit car "A" the smacking the car would be a means t get the inattentive drivers attention. I don't trust all cops I don't trust all DA's I don't rust all Judges I don't trust any media. My point being too many people just jump to conclusions. What happened before and after the video? What does the Police report actually say? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BURN: Originally Posted By TAG_Match: Originally Posted By BURN: If a cop is directing traffic and you ignore him, and he strikes your car... Yeah, he struck your car because you ignored his traffic directions... You are they bad guy not the cop. YMMV It’s my understanding that ignoring traffic directions results in a written citation that ultimately a the judicial system applies some level of punishment for. Where is it in the penal code that allows police officers to beat on your car if you make them mad? Does that also extend to the driver after you get them stopped? Not in this case.. but if an officer tells car "A" to go and car "B" to stop but car "B" doesn't stop and is about to hit car "A" the smacking the car would be a means t get the inattentive drivers attention. I don't trust all cops I don't trust all DA's I don't rust all Judges I don't trust any media. My point being too many people just jump to conclusions. What happened before and after the video? What does the Police report actually say? Just by what the video shows, you want a cop that reaches out to kick a car? That wasn't a tap to get attention. That was a full kick that I'm guessing did not go as the cop intended. That video is pretty clear about the cops actual actions. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 1:40:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BURN: If a cop is directing traffic and you ignore him, and he strikes your car... Yeah, he struck your car because you ignored his traffic directions... You are they bad guy not the cop. YMMV No. The cop that purposely damages private property because someone didn’t follow his instructions is a bad guy. The fact that you don’t see that is telling. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 2:36:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JosephTurrisi: And yet no mention of charges of filing a false police report or perjury  |
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USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 3:42:36 AM EDT
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Just a bad apple
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USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 4:24:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By haveTwo: Mostly because the cop kicked a moving car and then lied about it to fuck over the driver. Why should he not face consequences ten times what the driver was facing? Oh, wait, it's because he's immune to questioning, because he's a government agent? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By haveTwo: Mostly because the cop kicked a moving car and then lied about it to fuck over the driver. Why should he not face consequences ten times what the driver was facing? Oh, wait, it's because he's immune to questioning, because he's a government agent? Based on the news report the driver was charged with what he actually did with no "fucking over" involved and no proof of perjury by the officer. Originally Posted By haveTwo: They dropped the serious charges after seeing the video. What does that say? Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Is it really a traffic accident though? The officer purposely kicked the car. Originally Posted By TAG_Match: About that “whacking your car for not stopping for a traffic control officer”: You say that as if the officer is entitled to meet out extrajudicial punishment to drivers breaking the law. I’m interested in that mechanism of the law that allows that. Could you explain that concept for me, please? |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 9:26:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: Did you really manage to miss that I emphasized run with italics and that the cop's leg bent in weird directions while he fell? It was an obvious joke that I expected everyone to catch. Based on the news report the driver was charged with what he actually did with no "fucking over" involved and no proof of perjury by the officer. The DA sucks? The DA knows the jury pool sucks? It was contact between a pedestrian and a car. It needed to be reported. IMHO it's better for the driver to play dumb and call it an accident than to assert self-defense in bulling through the intersection "in order to escape the guy directing traffic." It's the section that says if you ignore directions to stop and pass within a couple feet of the officer he's likely to react reflexively and it'll be your fault for startling him. This was once known as common sense, but that entire section was repealed decades ago. It’s interesting how everyone watches the same video and most see the cop who unlawfully damages private property, hurts himself, then attempts to railroad the victim as the bad guy and only members of one group are the ones that see the victim as the problem. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 9:42:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: st0newall]
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had a very similar thing happen to me. went around a road crew traffic guy. guy claimed i hit him. called the cops. was charged with reckless driving. was in front of my house, i simply went around the guy to get to my driveway about 100 feet past the blocked road. charge was reduced to some minor traffic thing. paid a small fine. then the road guy hired a lawyer to sue me for 'soft tissue damage'. my insurance company said they were gonna pay as fighting it never worked. i had vid from my front door. sent it to my insurance company. it showed the guy chasing after my car as i went wide around him. no contact whatsoever. claim was denied. road guy didnt get his payout.
i now always drive with a dashcam. note that i did not 'leave' the scene. the scene in front of my house. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:18:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BURN: Not in this case.. but if an officer tells car "A" to go and car "B" to stop but car "B" doesn't stop and is about to hit car "A" the smacking the car would be a means t get the inattentive drivers attention. I don't trust all cops I don't trust all DA's I don't rust all Judges I don't trust any media. My point being too many people just jump to conclusions. What happened before and after the video? What does the Police report actually say? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BURN: Originally Posted By TAG_Match: Originally Posted By BURN: If a cop is directing traffic and you ignore him, and he strikes your car... Yeah, he struck your car because you ignored his traffic directions... You are they bad guy not the cop. YMMV It’s my understanding that ignoring traffic directions results in a written citation that ultimately a the judicial system applies some level of punishment for. Where is it in the penal code that allows police officers to beat on your car if you make them mad? Does that also extend to the driver after you get them stopped? Not in this case.. but if an officer tells car "A" to go and car "B" to stop but car "B" doesn't stop and is about to hit car "A" the smacking the car would be a means t get the inattentive drivers attention. I don't trust all cops I don't trust all DA's I don't rust all Judges I don't trust any media. My point being too many people just jump to conclusions. What happened before and after the video? What does the Police report actually say? I was at the site of a bad car accident. Traffic had been funneled down to one lane from 4. I'm helping direct traffic until the state police finally show up. So, state cop is talking with me and sure enough, some imbecile in the one slowly creeping lane of traffic is too busy being a lookie-lou to notice the car in front of him was stopped. Whomp! The state cop yells "JFC" and goes storming off towards the car with his hand on his sidearm. I literally thought he was going to go shoot the guy for being stupid. This was the wreck:  |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:20:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: Did you really manage to miss that I emphasized run with italics and that the cop's leg bent in weird directions while he fell? It was an obvious joke that I expected everyone to catch. Based on the news report the driver was charged with what he actually did with no "fucking over" involved and no proof of perjury by the officer. The DA sucks? The DA knows the jury pool sucks? It was contact between a pedestrian and a car. It needed to be reported. IMHO it's better for the driver to play dumb and call it an accident than to assert self-defense in bulling through the intersection "in order to escape the guy directing traffic." It's the section that says if you ignore directions to stop and pass within a couple feet of the officer he's likely to react reflexively and it'll be your fault for startling him. This was once known as common sense, but that entire section was repealed decades ago. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: Originally Posted By haveTwo: Mostly because the cop kicked a moving car and then lied about it to fuck over the driver. Why should he not face consequences ten times what the driver was facing? Oh, wait, it's because he's immune to questioning, because he's a government agent? Based on the news report the driver was charged with what he actually did with no "fucking over" involved and no proof of perjury by the officer. Originally Posted By haveTwo: They dropped the serious charges after seeing the video. What does that say? Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Is it really a traffic accident though? The officer purposely kicked the car. Originally Posted By TAG_Match: About that “whacking your car for not stopping for a traffic control officer”: You say that as if the officer is entitled to meet out extrajudicial punishment to drivers breaking the law. I’m interested in that mechanism of the law that allows that. Could you explain that concept for me, please? There is *NOTHING* "common sense" about a LEO engaging in illegal conduct and damaging private property. You really need to look in the mirror and adjust your perception of reality. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:37:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: It's the section that says if you ignore directions to stop and pass within a couple feet of the officer he's likely to react reflexively and it'll be your fault for startling him. This was once known as common sense, but that entire section was repealed decades ago. Wat. Reflexively kicking a passing car is "common sense"? |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:47:10 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BURN: If a cop is directing traffic and you ignore him, and he strikes your car... Yeah, he struck your car because you ignored his traffic directions... You are they bad guy not the cop. YMMV But the cop is the one that can't control his temper. Luckily we had instant carma. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 10:55:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: According to the paperwork shown in the video he was charged with failure to stop and render aid a third degree felony. No mention is made of vehicular assault or assault on an LEO. Unless there is something unexpected in that law it is a valid charge even with the cop's poor decision and should not have been dropped. Plus the ticket for ignoring the traffic control directions of course. There_it_is. I’ll say no more. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 11:58:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stevelish: There_it_is. I’ll say no more. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:15:17 PM EDT
[#39]
Nothing good happens when your near a cop or a ghetto
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:29:46 PM EDT
[#40]
I'm going with assholes collide.
Driver has a red light. There's one good reason to blow a red light like that: There's a guy in a yellow vest directing traffic, and that guy clearly instructed you to proceed through the light. In that case I proceed with caution, and I've had cops get visibly pissed at me when my caution slows things down. In this case, it seems pretty clear the guy in the yellow vest didn't want him to go through the red light. Field goal kicker had a violent temper tantrum, and then tried to prosecute somebody for felony "failure to stop and give aid after a personal injury accident", when the "accident" consisted of somebody swinging a long range kick at a passing car. The violent temper tantrum says he's not mentally suited for law enforcement work. Lying to hang a felony on the guy he attacked says this mental child needs a forcible time-out from society to reflect upon the error in his ways. |
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NJ, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:40:15 PM EDT
[#41]
Be a shame if that cop and you people taking up for him were to get ran over.
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Posted: 5/5/2024 12:55:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PepePewPew: I'm going with assholes collide. Driver has a red light. There's one good reason to blow a red light like that: There's a guy in a yellow vest directing traffic, and that guy clearly instructed you to proceed through the light. In that case I proceed with caution, and I've had cops get visibly pissed at me when my caution slows things down. In this case, it seems pretty clear the guy in the yellow vest didn't want him to go through the red light. Field goal kicker had a violent temper tantrum, and then tried to prosecute somebody for felony "failure to stop and give aid after a personal injury accident", when the "accident" consisted of somebody swinging a long range kick at a passing car. The violent temper tantrum says he's not mentally suited for law enforcement work. Lying to hang a felony on the guy he attacked says this mental child needs a forcible time-out from society to reflect upon the error in his ways. i could go with this assessment. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 6:35:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TAG_Match]
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: Did you really manage to miss that I emphasized run with italics and that the cop's leg bent in weird directions while he fell? It was an obvious joke that I expected everyone to catch. Based on the news report the driver was charged with what he actually did with no "fucking over" involved and no proof of perjury by the officer. The DA sucks? The DA knows the jury pool sucks? It was contact between a pedestrian and a car. It needed to be reported. IMHO it's better for the driver to play dumb and call it an accident than to assert self-defense in bulling through the intersection "in order to escape the guy directing traffic." It's the section that says if you ignore directions to stop and pass within a couple feet of the officer he's likely to react reflexively and it'll be your fault for startling him. This was once known as common sense, but that entire section was repealed decades ago. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: Originally Posted By haveTwo: Mostly because the cop kicked a moving car and then lied about it to fuck over the driver. Why should he not face consequences ten times what the driver was facing? Oh, wait, it's because he's immune to questioning, because he's a government agent? Based on the news report the driver was charged with what he actually did with no "fucking over" involved and no proof of perjury by the officer. Originally Posted By haveTwo: They dropped the serious charges after seeing the video. What does that say? Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Is it really a traffic accident though? The officer purposely kicked the car. Originally Posted By TAG_Match: About that “whacking your car for not stopping for a traffic control officer”: You say that as if the officer is entitled to meet out extrajudicial punishment to drivers breaking the law. I’m interested in that mechanism of the law that allows that. Could you explain that concept for me, please? It’s reflex to reach out and hit or kick a moving car that you were not expecting/started by rather than try to get away from it? Do retards have opposite reflexes than those that are not police officers? |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 7:43:29 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: According to the paperwork shown in the video he was charged with failure to stop and render aid a third degree felony. No mention is made of vehicular assault or assault on an LEO. Unless there is something unexpected in that law it is a valid charge even with the cop's poor decision and should not have been dropped. Plus the ticket for ignoring the traffic control directions of course. 
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Posted: 5/5/2024 8:11:51 PM EDT
[#45]
The law there requires you go back after someone intentionally damages your vehicle?
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USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 8:26:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By TGE: Originally Posted By TAG_Match:  Did I say that reflexive actions are common sense? Did I say that reflexive actions are always smart or correct? No, no I didn't. Did I say that if you do something startlingly stupid you'll cause a (possibly ill-considered) reflexive response? Yes, yes I did. If you don't understand why reflexive actions may be inconsistent with common sense then maybe you should check out this thread. Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: It’s interesting how everyone watches the same video and most see the cop who unlawfully damages private property, hurts himself, then attempts to railroad the victim as the bad guy and only members of one group are the ones that see the victim as the problem. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 8:32:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: Yes it is interesting how many assume that the cop committed perjury instead of realizing that the charge does not require any lying on his part. Yes it is interesting how many don't think that the driver that ignored the red light, ignored the cop's instructions, passed within feet of a pedestrian lawfully in the intersection, drove home, and never reported the incident is the bad guy. I don’t think I’ve personally said perjury, but I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that it had some creative writing that needed to be amended when the video was discovered. I do think that the constable should be charged with damaging the private property. Hopefully the video also has an impact on his workman’s comp claim. |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 8:48:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: Did I say that reflexive actions are common sense? Did I say that reflexive actions are always smart or correct? No, no I didn't. Did I say that if you do something startlingly stupid you'll cause a (possibly ill-considered) reflexive response? Yes, yes I did. If you don't understand why reflexive actions may be inconsistent with common sense then maybe you should check out this thread. Yes it is interesting how many assume that the cop committed perjury instead of realizing that the charge does not require any lying on his part. Yes it is interesting how many don't think that the driver that ignored the red light, ignored the cop's instructions, passed within feet of a pedestrian lawfully in the intersection, drove home, and never reported the incident is the bad guy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By TGE: Originally Posted By TAG_Match: Did I say that reflexive actions are common sense? Did I say that reflexive actions are always smart or correct? No, no I didn't. Did I say that if you do something startlingly stupid you'll cause a (possibly ill-considered) reflexive response? Yes, yes I did. If you don't understand why reflexive actions may be inconsistent with common sense then maybe you should check out this thread. Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: It’s interesting how everyone watches the same video and most see the cop who unlawfully damages private property, hurts himself, then attempts to railroad the victim as the bad guy and only members of one group are the ones that see the victim as the problem. Yeah, actually, it does require perjury on his part. That's because the cop was the cause of both the injury and the damage to the driver's automobile. Further, there was no duty to stop and render aid to a person who was physically attacking the driver's vehicle and acting in an unlawful, aggressive manner. And, there is nothing "reflexive" about unlawfully attacking someone's vehicle when you yourself caused the problem. Your commentary is so ridiculous, it is bordering on trolling at this point. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/5/2024 9:12:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AmishElectrician]
[#49]
Does anyone here believe if the police report was released that it would say "I kicked the car, broke my leg, and the driver didn't stop"
The fact that the sheriffs office facebook post released says "vehicle struck" the cop The fact the DA dropped the failure to stop felony I'm going to guess the report did not accurately state the facts The one time I was stopped by a cop I FOIL'd the narrative and laughed my ass off at the bottom of the page signed "the information hereby is to the best of my knowledge under penalty of perjury" after the cop lied about the circumstances surrounding an obvious fishing stop for a DUI. How easy he typed the lie and the creative writing to make it look good.(pre-bodycam) It was just so easy for him to lie it blew my fantasy of cops in my own mind |
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Posted: 5/5/2024 9:14:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: Did I say that reflexive actions are common sense? Did I say that reflexive actions are always smart or correct? No, no I didn't. Did I say that if you do something startlingly stupid you'll cause a (possibly ill-considered) reflexive response? Yes, yes I did. If you don't understand why reflexive actions may be inconsistent with common sense then maybe you should check out this thread. Yes it is interesting how many assume that the cop committed perjury instead of realizing that the charge does not require any lying on his part. Yes it is interesting how many don't think that the driver that ignored the red light, ignored the cop's instructions, passed within feet of a pedestrian lawfully in the intersection, drove home, and never reported the incident is the bad guy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia: Originally Posted By planemaker: Originally Posted By TGE: Originally Posted By TAG_Match: Did I say that reflexive actions are common sense? Did I say that reflexive actions are always smart or correct? No, no I didn't. Did I say that if you do something startlingly stupid you'll cause a (possibly ill-considered) reflexive response? Yes, yes I did. If you don't understand why reflexive actions may be inconsistent with common sense then maybe you should check out this thread. Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: It's interesting how everyone watches the same video and most see the cop who unlawfully damages private property, hurts himself, then attempts to railroad the victim as the bad guy and only members of one group are the ones that see the victim as the problem. |
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