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Posted: 5/16/2024 5:09:33 PM EDT
I always see them for sale in pretty much new condition and curious as to why so many are for sale. What did you replace it with and what are some things you didn't like about it?
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/16/2024 5:13:34 PM EDT
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Vortex Razor 1-6 Gen II E
The extra 2x up top wasn’t worth the 1x performance trade off compared to razor 1-6 for me. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 5:15:14 PM EDT
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They also released the same thing with a new reticle that is better.
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Posted: 5/16/2024 5:15:59 PM EDT
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Honestly, I sold mine after discovering it wasnt any better than my Burris XTR II
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/16/2024 7:01:28 PM EDT
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similar situation - i bought an atacr 4-20 for my 7 rm tikka. it was just too heavy, and the rotating ocular makes quick zoom changes a tad slow. i used my buddy's 1-8 ATACR and did not like how it felt in transitions from 1x to whateverX
i replaced the ATACR with a tenmile and have been much happier. i went for a TR25 during this red dot -> LPVO transition. lets see what happens after i sell the TR25, switch back to dots on everything, then want an LPVO again |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/16/2024 7:21:26 PM EDT
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I actually kept my ATACR 1 - 8. My multiple Vortex scopes have a total of about 5-ish trips back to Vortex, including the vaunted and revered Razor 1 - 6 ( and a couple cases of total replacement after light use). Always fixed or replaced with only the awful hassle of removing, sending in, re-installing and re-zeroing.
I have never had a NF fail or need any warranty support in 20+ years including some hard use and that is good enough for me. Heavier? yes. Latest bells and whistles, usually no. Absolute best overall specs, probably not. However, I wanted a very very tough, robust and overbuilt scope so I kept the ATACR. Vortex is fine, still use them. My guess is that people have buyer’s remorse because of the high price. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/16/2024 7:58:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By benjam8291: My guess is that people have buyer’s remorse because of the high price. ^^^also this for me in addition to the other reasons i gave. i was able to sell the ATACR and buy both a tenmile 3-18 mil (when they were on sale for 950) and a tr25. i don't use my weapons in any sort of professional capacity, and trijicon durability seems to be "good enough" (not just acog's, rokslide has some independent testing of trijicon scopes that hold up as well as nightforce, SWFA, and Maven) for hunting and self defense/class purposes |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 8:14:35 PM EDT
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Xtr3 is better in many aspects and came out of the same factory
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Posted: 5/16/2024 8:28:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Phiers: Xtr3 is better in many aspects and came out of the same factory It's really unfortunate that they didn't come out with one in 1-8x |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 9:07:06 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By realwar: I always see them for sale in pretty much new condition and curious as to why so many are for sale. What did you replace it with and what are some things you didn't like about it? Nightforce NX8. I prefer it for the form factor and optical properties. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/17/2024 3:02:02 AM EDT
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I traded my AR15 that my ATACR was on as I have a few AR15 already. I still have an ATACR on my other AR15 which if worth it for me.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 9:20:41 PM EDT
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To be honest it's huge, it's sexy, it's huge and heavy and as RustedAce has stated the NX8 and Acog/RMR combo are the finest two optics for the AR 556 platform out.
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Posted: 5/18/2024 11:15:34 PM EDT
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Do you need or want an optic with clear glass, durability, and .1 mil adjustments?
If yes, Atacr is your jam. If no, it’s not. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/19/2024 10:00:31 AM EDT
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Does the ATACR have the same warping/lensing problems that NX8 does at 1x?
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Posted: 5/19/2024 10:02:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By InvertedDeparture: Does the ATACR have the same warping/lensing problems that NX8 does at 1x? What? |
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Posted: 5/19/2024 12:04:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hoody2shoez: What? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hoody2shoez: Originally Posted By InvertedDeparture: Does the ATACR have the same warping/lensing problems that NX8 does at 1x? What? Yeah I'd like to what, myself? Had both of these and there was no "warping. I know how to adjust a diopter. |
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Posted: 5/19/2024 11:44:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By InvertedDeparture: Does the ATACR have the same warping/lensing problems that NX8 does at 1x?  I have both and no issues exist with either.
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USA
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Posted: 5/20/2024 6:02:16 AM EDT
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I headed up a 'Law Enforcement Designated Marksman' program at my agency a while back. I took about 20 standard M4 style patrol rifles, installed a nice rail, a Surefire weapon light and an LPVO on each one, and then put on a class on how to utilize the rifle/optic as an enhanced package for the uniform patrol officer. I started with Razors, as that's what I believed was best suited for this project, but I bought a couple of ATACRs as well, just to try out. Nobody wants the ATACRs. Everybody who tries them out prefers the Razor, as the 1x is better and the reticle is less cluttered. I think if you were doing real DMR stuff, the ATACR might be better. But for a uniform patrol scenario, where you are more likely to use the rifle/optic on 1x, I think the Razor is better.
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/20/2024 10:12:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Newnimprovedusername: I have both and no issues exist with either.Some videos out there are able to demonstrate the fish eye/warping effect of the NF LPVOs. It’s honestly hard to tell in the video for me, and I have never noticed while actually shooting my buddy’s ATACR at 1x. I think some people are much more sensitive to this than others |
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Posted: 5/21/2024 1:18:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By InvertedDeparture: Does the ATACR have the same warping/lensing problems that NX8 does at 1x? Having used both and owning a couple of 1-8 ATACR’s, I can’t say I’ve experienced this with either the NX8 1-8 or the ATACR 1-8. I’ve owned Kahles, Steiner, and Vortex LPVO’s. All have been sold and will slowly be replaced by the 1-8 ATACR with FC-DMx reticle across the board. Hands down the best LPVO and reticle I’ve used thus far for me. |
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Posted: 5/21/2024 8:53:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stickyheat: Having used both and owning a couple of 1-8 ATACR’s, I can’t say I’ve experienced this with either the NX8 1-8 or the ATACR 1-8. I’ve owned Kahles, Steiner, and Vortex LPVO’s. All have been sold and will slowly be replaced by the 1-8 ATACR with FC-DMx reticle across the board. Hands down the best LPVO and reticle I’ve used thus far for me. Concur. I've owned Steiner, Leupold, multiple Vortex Razors and now multiple NX8's and ATACRs. I'm pretty much committed to the ATACR DM or DMx reticle as the best LPVO for me. |
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Posted: 5/21/2024 10:52:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Razzman1: I headed up a 'Law Enforcement Designated Marksman' program at my agency a while back. I took about 20 standard M4 style patrol rifles, installed a nice rail, a Surefire weapon light and an LPVO on each one, and then put on a class on how to utilize the rifle/optic as an enhanced package for the uniform patrol officer. I started with Razors, as that's what I believed was best suited for this project, but I bought a couple of ATACRs as well, just to try out. Nobody wants the ATACRs. Everybody who tries them out prefers the Razor, as the 1x is better and the reticle is less cluttered. I think if you were doing real DMR stuff, the ATACR might be better. But for a uniform patrol scenario, where you are more likely to use the rifle/optic on 1x, I think the Razor is better. My buddy has this NF and I agree with your assessment. The 1X on the Razor is much better. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 5/21/2024 4:41:15 PM EDT
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People sell tons of ACOGs, EOtechs, and other high end scopes that don't have a real problem.
Typically I think some dude buys it, realizes it doesn't replace actually learning to use a gun, and then sells it because it's hard to have that much money sitting in the safe doing nothing. The other end of the spectrum is restless rifle syndrome, a dude may actually shoot enough to need a high end optic but is a degenerate horse trader that can't hold on to something for more than a month. |
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Posted: 5/21/2024 5:10:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Nameless_Hobo: People sell tons of ACOGs, EOtechs, and other high end scopes that don't have a real problem. Typically I think some dude buys it, realizes it doesn't replace actually learning to use a gun, and then sells it because it's hard to have that much money sitting in the safe doing nothing. The other end of the spectrum is restless rifle syndrome, a dude may actually shoot enough to need a high end optic but is a degenerate horse trader that can't hold on to something for more than a month. Good points and I agree, I’d also like to add that I’ve seen sellers dumping their Nightforce s for Razors for the simple fact they don’t take the time to set them up correctly or they perceive a non existing issue because they read something on the internet or some other gun range “expert” tell them about the bad eye box or some other issue. I’ve seen that first hand and picked up a NX-8 that way. The guy took the “expert” advice from another guy who was clue as on the proper setup. I bet most all sellers just bought the flavor of the month mounts, mounted it and never gave another thought that mount height and position play a huge role in proper setup. I used to have three Razors and they’re all gone now in favor of NX-8’s which fill my need perfectly, their smaller and lighter. I’ve wanted to get a ATACR but I fear I’ll like it to much and than start the slow transition to those. 
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USA
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Posted: 5/21/2024 6:22:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Razzman1]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: My buddy has this NF and I agree with your assessment. The 1X on the Razor is much better. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: Originally Posted By Razzman1: I headed up a 'Law Enforcement Designated Marksman' program at my agency a while back. I took about 20 standard M4 style patrol rifles, installed a nice rail, a Surefire weapon light and an LPVO on each one, and then put on a class on how to utilize the rifle/optic as an enhanced package for the uniform patrol officer. I started with Razors, as that's what I believed was best suited for this project, but I bought a couple of ATACRs as well, just to try out. Nobody wants the ATACRs. Everybody who tries them out prefers the Razor, as the 1x is better and the reticle is less cluttered. I think if you were doing real DMR stuff, the ATACR might be better. But for a uniform patrol scenario, where you are more likely to use the rifle/optic on 1x, I think the Razor is better. My buddy has this NF and I agree with your assessment. The 1X on the Razor is much better. I stole this description from someone else and thought it described the difference between the Razor and ATACR best: the Razor is a really good 1x optic that you can dial up to a perfectly adequate 6x optic, whereas the ATACR is a really good 8x optic that can be dialed down to an adequate 1x optic. Choose the one that best fits your use-case. |
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Posted: 5/21/2024 10:44:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Razzman1: I stole this description from someone else and thought it described the difference between the Razor and ATACR best: the Razor is a really good 1x optic that you can dial up to a perfectly adequate 6x optic, whereas the ATACR is a really good 8x optic that can be dialed down to an adequate 1x optic. Choose the one that best fits your use-case. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Razzman1: Originally Posted By PacNW5: Originally Posted By Razzman1: I headed up a 'Law Enforcement Designated Marksman' program at my agency a while back. I took about 20 standard M4 style patrol rifles, installed a nice rail, a Surefire weapon light and an LPVO on each one, and then put on a class on how to utilize the rifle/optic as an enhanced package for the uniform patrol officer. I started with Razors, as that's what I believed was best suited for this project, but I bought a couple of ATACRs as well, just to try out. Nobody wants the ATACRs. Everybody who tries them out prefers the Razor, as the 1x is better and the reticle is less cluttered. I think if you were doing real DMR stuff, the ATACR might be better. But for a uniform patrol scenario, where you are more likely to use the rifle/optic on 1x, I think the Razor is better. My buddy has this NF and I agree with your assessment. The 1X on the Razor is much better. I stole this description from someone else and thought it described the difference between the Razor and ATACR best: the Razor is a really good 1x optic that you can dial up to a perfectly adequate 6x optic, whereas the ATACR is a really good 8x optic that can be dialed down to an adequate 1x optic. Choose the one that best fits your use-case. The Razor to me is just a big red dot with magnification, The Nightforce has a far superior reticle. |
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Posted: 5/21/2024 11:27:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mstennes: The Razor to me is just a big red dot with magnification, The Nightforce has a far superior reticle. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mstennes: The Razor to me is just a big red dot with magnification, The Nightforce has a far superior reticle. For long range, the NF reticle is much nicer with all those wind holds. Originally Posted By Razzman1: I stole this description from someone else and thought it described the difference between the Razor and ATACR best: the Razor is a really good 1x optic that you can dial up to a perfectly adequate 6x optic, whereas the ATACR is a really good 8x optic that can be dialed down to an adequate 1x optic. Choose the one that best fits your use-case. This makes sense to me. |
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Posted: 5/22/2024 12:24:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: For long range, the NF reticle is much nicer with all those wind holds. This makes sense to me. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: Originally Posted By mstennes: The Razor to me is just a big red dot with magnification, The Nightforce has a far superior reticle. For long range, the NF reticle is much nicer with all those wind holds. Originally Posted By Razzman1: I stole this description from someone else and thought it described the difference between the Razor and ATACR best: the Razor is a really good 1x optic that you can dial up to a perfectly adequate 6x optic, whereas the ATACR is a really good 8x optic that can be dialed down to an adequate 1x optic. Choose the one that best fits your use-case. This makes sense to me. I think the DMx is faster than the dot of the razor, but it also allows you to range and gives you allot more precsion, like I said earlier the Razor is nothing more than a red dot with magnification. |
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Posted: 5/22/2024 11:00:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By InvertedDeparture: Does the ATACR have the same warping/lensing problems that NX8 does at 1x? Ummm…. What warping? The NX8 is excellent at 1X. |
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Posted: 5/22/2024 2:32:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mstennes: I think the DMx is faster than the dot of the razor, Is it because you like using the T bars to center the reticle on a target? I know some guys like those types of reticles for that reason. For me, since I'm looking at the exact spot on a target for a presentation or transition, I just want a single dot with small lines around it to minimize the visual obstruction. |
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Posted: 5/22/2024 3:31:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Phiers: Xtr3 is better in many aspects and came out of the same factory Pretty sure that's not true. LOW doesn't make the XTR3 it's made in the Philippines and the Pro is made in the US. |
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Posted: 5/22/2024 11:38:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By adavis: Pretty sure that's not true. LOW doesn't make the XTR3 it's made in the Philippines and the Pro is made in the US. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By adavis: Originally Posted By Phiers: Xtr3 is better in many aspects and came out of the same factory Pretty sure that's not true. LOW doesn't make the XTR3 it's made in the Philippines and the Pro is made in the US. Low did make the XTR ll's in the 1-8x24 /34mm, but just those two were Japan made. I had both of them, the FFP and the SFP models. The were pretty nice but not better IMHO. |
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Posted: 5/23/2024 1:16:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: Is it because you like using the T bars to center the reticle on a target? I know some guys like those types of reticles for that reason. For me, since I'm looking at the exact spot on a target for a presentation or transition, I just want a single dot with small lines around it to minimize the visual obstruction. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: Originally Posted By mstennes: I think the DMx is faster than the dot of the razor, Is it because you like using the T bars to center the reticle on a target? I know some guys like those types of reticles for that reason. For me, since I'm looking at the exact spot on a target for a presentation or transition, I just want a single dot with small lines around it to minimize the visual obstruction. I like this,  Attached FileOver these, JM1  Attached FileMil,  Attached FileAt least the Razor 3 figured out the Razor 2’s are just a red dot,  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/24/2024 2:27:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JohnCarter17]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sticman77: Some videos out there are able to demonstrate the fish eye/warping effect of the NF LPVOs. It’s honestly hard to tell in the video for me, and I have never noticed while actually shooting my buddy’s ATACR at 1x. I think some people are much more sensitive to this than others That is what DLO (Ilya Koshkin) was saying. Some people are sensitive to the the image through the NX8, and after a while it can get tiring and causes eye strain. |
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Posted: 5/24/2024 9:10:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Marksman14]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: My buddy has this NF and I agree with your assessment. The 1X on the Razor is much better. On a shot timer or to your eye? The vortex scopes look great when you hold them steady and stare through them. The optic body, as perceived by your eye, is very minimal. When actually using them, on a shot timer, both eyes open at 1X, that optic body really isn’t visible on the nightforce optics and it becomes irrelevant. I’ve had no problem adjusting the diopter on my nightforces to get a good flat image. The benefits of the nightforce reticle become obvious at distance, as does the glass, so I chose nightforce. Specifically the ATACR due to the .1 mrad adjustments. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 12:08:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marksman14: On a shot timer or to your eye? The vortex scopes look great when you hold them steady and stare through them. The optic body, as perceived by your eye, is very minimal. When actually using them, on a shot timer, both eyes open at 1X, that optic body really isn’t visible on the nightforce optics and it becomes irrelevant. I’ve had no problem adjusting the diopter on my nightforces to get a good flat image. The benefits of the nightforce reticle become obvious at distance, as does the glass, so I chose nightforce. Specifically the ATACR due to the .1 mrad adjustments. To my eye, even after dialing in the diopter, the 1X on the Razor is flatter with a smaller bezel. |
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Posted: 5/25/2024 12:34:42 AM EDT
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To my eyes, my Razor 1-6 and Razor 1-10 look way better on 1x than my NX8. On the clock, I have found that it makes no difference.
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Posted: 5/25/2024 7:52:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tug153: To my eyes, my Razor 1-6 and Razor 1-10 look way better on 1x than my NX8. On the clock, I have found that it makes no difference. This is the key take away |
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