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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:13:37 PM EDT
 Cop Slams Birthday Girl to the Pavement | Lawsuit Settles After 7 YEARS! Odd. I know that I can't throw people. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:19:30 PM EDT
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@LawyerUp thumbnail game is on point
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MP, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:20:39 PM EDT
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HULK SMASH!
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:21:43 PM EDT
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I didn't watch until the end.
I'm going with, "Officer safety", "Resisting", "Interference", We did nothing wrong". |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:25:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: @LawyerUp thumbnail game is on point Disagree. This one should have been the same two people in a ring with the cop doing a pile driver. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:26:01 PM EDT
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Oh the horror.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:26:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: Disagree. This one should have been the same two people in a ring with the cop doing a pile driver. True, that would have been better. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:27:03 PM EDT
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Just make a lawyer up subforum since we are mirroring his YouTube here
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:27:43 PM EDT
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USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:31:49 PM EDT
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Reasonable officers know that their authority must be respected at all times.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:32:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By chmodx: Just make a lawyer up subforum since we are mirroring his YouTube here Just like the On Patrol postings? Doesn't bother me on either one. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:34:08 PM EDT
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"Assisted to the ground"
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:38:01 PM EDT
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So she was most likely drunk and thought as many women do that they can do whatever they want. She shouldn't have gotten a dime.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:44:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: So she was most likely drunk and thought as many women do that they can do whatever they want. She shouldn't have gotten a dime. No, he fucked up and should be fired. In fact, he SHOULD be in jail. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:52:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cpt_Kirks: No, he fucked up and should be fired. In fact, he SHOULD be in jail. Nope. Drunk women can be the worst. She had ample time to comply with his instructions. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:57:39 PM EDT
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I would argue that in light of Graham v Connor, a reasonable officer would know that failing the Graham test would result in a 4A violation.
I would further argue that SCOTUS, by publishing a handy 3 step Graham checklist in 1989, put every LEO in the country on sufficient notice of that fact. Demanding that the plaintiff have binding precedent from the same circuit stating that identical conduct violates Graham is a giant leap of stupidity in Qualified Immunity jurisprudence. Graham tells us what violates Graham. The end. Or it fucking well should have been the end. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:58:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: So she was most likely drunk and thought as many women do that they can do whatever they want. She shouldn't have gotten a dime. The officer thought the same thing with his badge, but that is at an end now. The QI shield is slowly crumbling one case at time. It always was a bs claim that got so misused from it's intended protections. Riddle: How can one take an oath to something, not knowing what they are taking an oath too? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:00:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Beltfed308: The officer thought the same thing with his badge, but that is at an end now. The QI shield is slowly crumbling one case at time. It always was a bs claim that got so misused from it's intended protections. Riddle: How can one take an oath to something, not knowing what they are taking an oath too? You anti QI guys are really going to be scratching your heads someday if QI ends. If you think nobody wants to do the job now, wait til that day arrives. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:00:37 PM EDT
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What about dwarves in Velcro suits?
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:05:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Beltfed308]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: You anti QI guys are really going to be scratching your heads someday if QI ends. If you think nobody wants to do the job now, wait til that day arrives. You mean I cannot be slammed to the ground as that action violates the highest law of the land? Are you not for Law and Order? Or just the perceived Order part by your profession? A reasonable citizen standard won instead. Like it or not. Riddle: How can one take an oath to something, not knowing what they are taking an oath too? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:11:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: So she was most likely drunk and thought as many women do that they can do whatever they want. She shouldn't have gotten a dime. Conversely, the officer could have practiced his verbal judo instead of his takedowns, and deescalated the drunk girl. I would argue that these days, if you can't handle entitled drunk young women without violence, you shouldn't be wearing a badge. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:13:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: So she was most likely drunk and thought as many women do that they can do whatever they want. She shouldn't have gotten a dime. Her actions got her a misdemeanor conviction for resisting and obstructing. His use of excessive force in smashing her face on the concrete got him QI for violating her civil rights. And got his brethren binding 10th Circuit precedent saying it violates the 4A. Her claim that the city did nothing to prevent their officers from violating civil rights got her a $300k settlement. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:17:15 PM EDT
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QI must be vanquished or American citizens will continue to be brutalized and deprived of their constitutional rights by jack-booted, power-hungry thugs with badges. QI is a constitutional abomination.
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WI, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:18:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: You anti QI guys are really going to be scratching your heads someday if QI ends. If you think nobody wants to do the job now, wait til that day arrives. Omg whatever will we do with no one around to violate our rights, then play dumb? |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:18:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Imzadi]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: Nope. Drunk women can be the worst. She had ample time to comply with his instructions. Graham factors say you are wrong. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:19:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mbg0001: Conversely, the officer could have practiced his verbal judo instead of his takedowns, and deescalated the drunk girl. I would argue that these days, if you can't handle entitled drunk young women without violence, you shouldn't be wearing a badge. He gave her plenty of opportunities to comply. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:19:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: You anti QI guys are really going to be scratching your heads someday if QI ends. If you think nobody wants to do the job now, wait til that day arrives. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: Originally Posted By Beltfed308: The officer thought the same thing with his badge, but that is at an end now. The QI shield is slowly crumbling one case at time. It always was a bs claim that got so misused from it's intended protections. Riddle: How can one take an oath to something, not knowing what they are taking an oath too? You anti QI guys are really going to be scratching your heads someday if QI ends. If you think nobody wants to do the job now, wait til that day arrives. No. We just don't understand why we have to let people violate the Constitution if we are going to have police. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:22:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PepePewPew: Her actions got her a misdemeanor conviction for resisting and obstructing. His use of excessive force in smashing her face on the concrete got him QI for violating her civil rights. And got his brethren binding 10th Circuit precedent saying it violates the 4A. Her claim that the city did nothing to prevent their officers from violating civil rights got her a $300k settlement. And she's deflecting and not taking responsibility for her actions. Sorry, I have no tolerance for drunks, especially the drunk women who think that they are exempt from having to comply. I still think that she shouldn't have gotten a dime |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:24:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: Graham factors say you are wrong. Drunk women ARE the worst and she DID have plenty of time to comply. Maybe next time she goes out she'll exercise a little self moderation and stay sober |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:25:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: He gave her plenty of opportunities to comply. Sure he did. But his actions were not reasonable, lawful and Constitutional. Another Riddle: Who broke a much more serious law in this case? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:31:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Beltfed308: Sure he did. But his actions were not reasonable, lawful and Constitutional. Another Riddle: Who broke a much more serious law in this case? We won't agree. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:33:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Beltfed308]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: We won't agree. We don't have to. The Court decided and what you think is a-ok isn't anymore. You know now, so you cannot claim it as an excuse of not knowing if you make headlines now. Now that you know, drop an e-mail to you buddy thanking him for the loss of these "special" protections if you get pissed off at supposedly drunk 100 lb women. Do you have a link to your claim of drunkenness by this woman? |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:34:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Imzadi]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: And she's deflecting and not taking responsibility for her actions. Sorry, I have no tolerance for drunks, especially the drunk women who think that they are exempt from having to comply. I still think that she shouldn't have gotten a dime Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: Originally Posted By PepePewPew: Her actions got her a misdemeanor conviction for resisting and obstructing. His use of excessive force in smashing her face on the concrete got him QI for violating her civil rights. And got his brethren binding 10th Circuit precedent saying it violates the 4A. Her claim that the city did nothing to prevent their officers from violating civil rights got her a $300k settlement. And she's deflecting and not taking responsibility for her actions. Sorry, I have no tolerance for drunks, especially the drunk women who think that they are exempt from having to comply. I still think that she shouldn't have gotten a dime And the cop that threw a woman face first into the pavement and then hid behind QI is taking responsibility for his actions? Edit: Or are you saying that his actions were completely reasonable? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:40:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Beltfed308: Sure he did. But his actions were not reasonable, lawful and Constitutional. The court found that his actions were not unreasonable, lawful or Constitutional. But when seeking QI, one out of three is a win. Going forward, if another cop does the exact same thing in the approximate same place, then it will be unreasonable in the eyes of the court system. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:46:00 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Imzadi: Odd. I know that I can't throw people. Bro, do you even lift? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:48:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Beltfed308]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PepePewPew: The court found that his actions were not unreasonable, lawful or Constitutional. But when seeking QI, one out of three is a win. Going forward, if another cop does the exact same thing in the approximate same place, then it will be unreasonable in the eyes of the court system. I understand fully. And to be clear it would not be considered reasonable now. The officer got lucky, the clock has just been reset. Good gig they had going but totally squandered because of egos. The big picture is now focused on the abusers as it should be. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:52:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Beltfed308: I understand fully. And to be clear it would not be considered reasonable now. The officer got lucky, the clock has just been reset. Good gig they had going but totally squandered because of egos. The big picture is now focused on the abusers as it should be. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Beltfed308: Originally Posted By PepePewPew: The court found that his actions were not unreasonable, lawful or Constitutional. But when seeking QI, one out of three is a win. Going forward, if another cop does the exact same thing in the approximate same place, then it will be unreasonable in the eyes of the court system. I understand fully. And to be clear it would not be considered reasonable now. The officer got lucky, the clock has just been reset. Good gig they had going but totally squandered because of egos. The big picture is now focused on the abusers as it should be. The courts will find another way to still give cops QI when they violate a person's Constitutional rights. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:56:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: The courts will find another way to still give cops QI when they violate a person's Constitutional rights. I don't doubt it a bit. But one person here cannot claim he didn't know, if a defense attorney goes digging.  Now.... I like it. Simple. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 7:59:11 PM EDT
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Any use of force must be reasonable and necessary given the circumstances.
This was neither. Granting QI was ridiculous. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:01:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: Drunk women ARE the worst and she DID have plenty of time to comply. Maybe next time she goes out she'll exercise a little self moderation and stay sober Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: Originally Posted By Imzadi: Graham factors say you are wrong. Drunk women ARE the worst and she DID have plenty of time to comply. Maybe next time she goes out she'll exercise a little self moderation and stay sober No disagreement drunk women are incredibly annoying. But, having read most of your posts in this thread, what do you believe is the upper limit of force that's acceptable in this scenario? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:02:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: tc556guy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Beltfed308: We don't have to. The Court decided and what you think is a-ok isn't anymore. You know now, so you cannot claim it as an excuse of not knowing if you make headlines now. Now that you know, drop an e-mail to you buddy thanking him for the loss of these "special" protections if you get pissed off at supposedly drunk 100 lb women. Do you have a link to your claim of drunkenness by this woman? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Beltfed308: We don't have to. The Court decided and what you think is a-ok isn't anymore. You know now, so you cannot claim it as an excuse of not knowing if you make headlines now. Now that you know, drop an e-mail to you buddy thanking him for the loss of these "special" protections if you get pissed off at supposedly drunk 100 lb women. Do you have a link to your claim of drunkenness by this woman? The Tenth Circuit. You know, that court that everyone here generally disagrees with The fact that the case went that far tells me that it wasn't as cut and dried as some of you want to believe Like I said, we wont agree. Originally Posted By loudnproud: No disagreement drunk women are incredibly annoying. But, having read most of your posts in this thread, what do you believe is the upper limit of force that's acceptable in this scenario? Generally putting someone on the ground is safer for everyone involved. I hope that as a general control tactic that hasnt been entirely eliminated. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:03:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Antero: QI must be vanquished or American citizens will continue to be brutalized and deprived of their constitutional rights by jack-booted, power-hungry thugs with badges. QI is a constitutional abomination. You have NO idea what QI protects. And it isn't the police that receive the most from it  Sovereigns would be in heaven if QI disappeared. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:05:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: And the cop that threw a woman face first into the pavement and then hid behind QI is taking responsibility for his actions? Edit: Or are you saying that his actions were completely reasonable? Putting her on the ground as a tactic shouldn't be an issue. He should have been more careful in his technique. Modern day American society just isn't used to seeing force used on people in general. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:13:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: Putting her on the ground as a tactic shouldn't be an issue. He should have been more careful in his technique. Modern day American society just isn't used to seeing force used on people in general. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: Originally Posted By Imzadi: And the cop that threw a woman face first into the pavement and then hid behind QI is taking responsibility for his actions? Edit: Or are you saying that his actions were completely reasonable? Putting her on the ground as a tactic shouldn't be an issue. He should have been more careful in his technique. Modern day American society just isn't used to seeing force used on people in general. Modern day American society just isn't used to seeing EXCESSIVE force used on people in general. FYP. This was excessive force. If he had put her on the ground without throwing her face first to the pavement thins wouldn't have been an issue. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:16:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: Modern day American society just isn't used to seeing EXCESSIVE force used on people in general. FYP. This was excessive force. If he had put her on the ground without throwing her face first to the pavement thins wouldn't have been an issue. I still wouldn't have paid her a dime. She created the situation, and I bet that to this day she doesn't take responsibility for it. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:18:15 PM EDT
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Ike Turner has entered the chat.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:20:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: I still wouldn't have paid her a dime. She created the situation, and I bet that to this day she doesn't take responsibility for it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: Originally Posted By Imzadi: Modern day American society just isn't used to seeing EXCESSIVE force used on people in general. FYP. This was excessive force. If he had put her on the ground without throwing her face first to the pavement thins wouldn't have been an issue. I still wouldn't have paid her a dime. She created the situation, and I bet that to this day she doesn't take responsibility for it. Oh, we know that you wouldn't have compensated a woman thrown face first I to pavement in violation of her civil rights anything. We are all well aware of that. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:28:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By John_Wayne777: Any use of force must be reasonable and necessary given the circumstances. This was neither. Granting QI was ridiculous. The doctrine has been allowed for too long. Some actual law would be nice. Like a Constitution? The self defense against illegal arrests laws existed for a very good reason. Let the courts handle it so we don't need them anymore? Doctrines are now a blank check for blatant abuses. As long as you have a warrant you are good to go to the wrong house or not. Notice a certain poster alleging drunkenness but no proof? Yet? Ever? They have spiffy uniforms and equipment but they are paid for by the taxpayer. But "they"are not at all like the Crips, Bloods or any other organized gang. The problem is that the REAL employers' have a bit of an issue with abuse of power/authority in their name for nonsensical cases like this. Self policing doesn't work, oaths, or Constitutional protections? WTF are those? We will do what we want, because we can, by unscrupulous departments is eroding finally. The trust was misplaced and the governing bodies over these actors have failed their citizens. I didn't know? The dog ate their application I guess.  The citizens have seen it for a while. The courts are just catching up. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:30:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: Nope. Drunk women can be the worst. She had ample time to comply with his instructions. A police officer is going to pull that on the wrong man's wife, girlfriend, mother or daughter, and then qualified immunity won't mean much to the officer's corpse. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:33:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: You anti QI guys are really going to be scratching your heads someday if QI ends. If you think nobody wants to do the job now, wait til that day arrives. We'll do our own policing. Tall trees. Short rope. We can use a hemp rope to get the dopers on board. Carbon neutral, recvcleable. Bonus: no bullshit fishing expeditions, tint checks, "you were weaving" ..... |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:35:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: And she's deflecting and not taking responsibility for her actions. Sorry, I have no tolerance for drunks, especially the drunk women who think that they are exempt from having to comply. I still think that she shouldn't have gotten a dime And I have no tolerance for thugs with badges physically abusing women, whether they be their wife/girlfriend or an arrestee. |
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