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Posted: 9/15/2008 12:44:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: V_Johnson]
Folks,
In some discussion with Ed and others in AmericanSnipers.org, we've been bouncing around the idea of making the raffle so that more folks are winners. Talk is of the rifles going with a few other items as their own packages, and all the other stuff going to individual winners. This would spread the wealth around and make your odds of winning that much higher. With that said, I know there are some folks who will think we're changing the rules as we go . Let's just say that this raffle has exploded into such a huge affair, I don't think any of us imagined that we'd be looking at so many prizes to give away....and thus make more work. Suffice to say, we all appreciate your support, no matter if it is one ticket or fifty. Every bit helps put gear in the hands of our snipers and DMs. Now, I need you all to hit the poll and give me some feedback on this. Thanks, Vaughn |
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[Last Edit: wise_jake]
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Vaughn, That's a valid concern. If anyone is going to bitch/moan/cry/complain about this, I will buy their ticket(s) from them, up to [at least] $100 worth (maybe more), if it's not too much trouble/overhead for Juan, administratively. Best, Jake. ETA: First vote on the last poll choice! |
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[Last Edit: wise_jake]
[#2]
From your post in the other thread:
That said, if there is any [easy] way possible that I could stay in some of the LE/Mil prize drawings (e.g. training), I'd appreciate it. (if not, no big) I have some deserving warfighters in mind, were I to win that stuff. (not that it matters, as I never win anything, anyway) Of course, this is contingent upon the route y'all end up going, which I will support regardless. |
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[#3]
I think most of us have specific ideas of what we'd like out of the price package, so from that standpoint I'd prefer the whole deal if I were to win understanding that:
A) Can't afford ALL the taxes on the total value of the ENTIRE price pack. B) I couldn't afford all the Form 4 $200 needed for the surpressors etc C) Can't get the Mil/Leo courses anyway D) Dont have the vacation time to take all the other courses. So all that said, I'd prefer there where 1 main winner who gets first dips... the left overs go to the next pulled ticket, etc until the entire pack is gone. That way you leave the initial intent of the raffle in place while at the same time increasing the pool of winners. Just my 2 cents.. Paul |
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[Last Edit: sully6541]
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In my opinion I think the package should only be broken down if a non MIL/LE wins the raffle. Then the remaining prizes should be rewarded to the first eligible person picked. If a MIL/LE wins they should get the whole prize package. Like I said just my opinion the main goal is raising money for a great cause not winning the prize.
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[#5]
I don't mind parting some stuff out - but I'd still like to see one "grand" prize with a bunch of stuff. . . .
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[#6]
I voted no simply because I don't like rule changes in the middle of things like this. It WILL cause hard feelings with someone. However if it weren't for that I would happily pick option three. I knew going in that the money I have already given and will give again ( I plan on purchasing more/multiple tickets) was a "Donation" in my mind. Whatever you guys decide to do I really don't care as long as the procedes help out our boys in the military. I think that is the main reason everyone who has bought a ticket bought one.
And on that note any preliminary numbers you'd like to share?? And are you going to show us what items are being bought and distributed? I assume they are items on the list of needed items on your website. Thanks Deadeye |
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I welcome the input guys, from all views. I don't disagree with any of you 100% ...
I will let Ed share numbers as he has them. As for the gear, yes; our website shows the most requested items...and we continue to buy much of the same stuff. Uncle Sam has gotten better since we started this venture and is probably doing close to 200% better in getting needed gear to our snipers. They aren't what I'd call timely in getting it to them (not giving them time to train with it before deployment), but alas, one thing at a time. Optics, to include rifle scopes, binos, and spotting scopes....Laser rangefinders that aren't the size of a Volvo...The Center Mass Tripod system (as shown in the opening post of the prize package) ... slings ... Eberlestock rucks...cleaning gear....M14 mags... VJ |
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[#9]
+1 Great idea. |
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[#10]
I think you should break it up. It increases my odds of winning. To be honest, I'm not going to buy a ticket if it all goes to one winner.
Match up the rifles to their accessories and courses. Each rifle is a different prize. Break the courses off if the winner is not LEO/Mil. Create a few other smaller packages for follow on picks. Also, any consideration to letting contractors (the ones in the sandbox) be eligible to attend the shooting courses? Being as some of them do the same job as the military, it seems reasonable. |
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[#11]
I think this is an excellent idea. Depending on how large the prize pool gets, it might look like this:
and so on and so forth. |
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[#12]
I'm going to say you will have a problem with advertising all of that stuff to a potential ticket buyer , then selling tickets for those things and then the winner not getting it all of it.
It may be a little late in the game to change things up. I think you are opening yourself up for litigation. [That legal advise is worth EXACTLY what you just paid for it. ] |
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[#13]
I say spread the love in the winnings . . . . but then again, I'm just hoping each of my donations = a bullet in the head of some asshole Jihadist.
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[#14]
Roger that! |
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[Last Edit: benbpi]
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I voted yes but this is probably the best way to go |
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[#16]
I don't care, but this seems practical. |
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[#17]
So, only 56 people have purchased raffle tickets?
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[#18]
I would guess that a lot of the people who voted DIDN'T buy anything.....but that is a guess. Move this to GD if you want it exposed. Title it "Input needed from all ARFCOM experts" you get all the advice you could hope for and then some. |
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Originally Posted By red65: Ask youself: What organization do libtards hate the most? Answer: The NRA |
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Or if only 56 people bought tickets... we A) seemed to have raised a pretty decent sum so far per capita. B) have really nice odds going for actually winning something. Realistically... I bet a lot of people had a buy-and-forget mentatlity. They bought their ticket(s) and have lost interest until the raffle is over. Probably not a lot of people who read the thread on a regular basis. Paul |
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[#20]
Keep a couple larger packages - rifle, scope, knife, and training. Then offer some of the remaining items as individual prizes. Give a few more chances to win a little something.
But, in the end supporting our soldiers is the important thing and if I don't win anything, I still did a little something to improve the environment for our snipers in harms way. Jeff |
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[#21]
I don't like the idea of changing the rules midstream. Seems shady.
That's the way I was raised anyway. |
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[Last Edit: cormorantslayer]
[#22]
I have made a couple of donations to the cause through the online store.
I think breaking it down into a grand prize package of a few items and then spreading the wealth is a good idea. It gives others the chance to win something. Honestly that is a lot of stuff to go to one person. |
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Not politically correct.
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[Last Edit: Usernames]
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[#24]
You would have 57 is you guys can figure out how you are going to give out the prizes and give a end date.
I would say give out to more than 1 person. That's a lot of good stuff and I'm not greedy and need to get everything. |
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[#25]
The end date is shown in the thread. Should have something conjured up on prize package(s) shortly. VJ |
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[#26]
However it turns out, thanks for bringing A.S. into the light for some guys who never knew it was around. I've been donating a little here and there for years, and love this raffle idea.
And yes, I think it should be spread around a little, like a top five or something. |
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[#27]
I don't particularly care if it's one huge prize or twenty smaller ones - I'm donating to help our snipers, and if I get something tangible out of it, great - if not, I've still gotten something no amount of money can buy.
keep up the great work. |
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[#28]
Even if A civilian winner cannot use the .Mil or LE items themselves, I bet they know some dedicated individuals who could use a few more skillsets to get them through.
Kind of a double chance to support our heavy lifters. JMHO sw1217 |
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[#29]
I'm happy regardless, but I think with the changing the rules midstream thing that some people are bringing up as an issue (the offer still stands on my "raffle ticket buy-back program"), the above is the "fairest" way to handle this. If I won the Grand Prize, I would purposefully choose some of the MIL/LEO training I was [personally] ineligible for, because I have a couple sandboxers in mind to donate the training to. |
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[#30]
I voted 'don't care'...
if i win something - cool. if not - cool. |
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I think it would be unethical at the least to change it now though as folks may have entered on original terms....
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[#32]
A couple of options that come to my mind, possibly next years raffle.
Since there are two rifles and a pistol, Why not do a civ rifle package and a LE/MIL rifle package. If you can get a second pistol donated then do the same as above except with pistols. OR if you do get a second pistol do a civ rifle and pistol package and a LE/MIL one. Each package would consist of one of each of what has been donated. IE One rifle with scope, bipod, silencer/training appropriate to level, knife, ammo whatever. Pistol with silencer, light, ammo, training to level. Get the idea? |
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[#33]
Hypothetical for y'all:
The next post concerning this raffle states that instead of all that free gear, everybody who entered the raffle will WIN a free BUMPER STICKER!!!!!!!!!!!! Would that be okay? PLEASE ANSWER TRUTHFULLY AND EXPLAIN your answer. |
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So, if I get this right, there would be no grand prize at all. Just the bumper stickers? |
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Yeah, but everybody would win one. |
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[Last Edit: Okki]
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I'd say someone will have misrepresentation law suit on their hands really quick since funds where (mis)appropriated under false pretence.
In other words, this is completely irrelevant to the nature of the question posed the the OP and not constructive. Considering that the terms of the raffle have already been widely published, I refer back to my orginal statement about how to increase the pool of winners without violating the terms of the current raffle. I'm sure AmericanSnipers.org will gladly send you a bumper sticker for your $10 donation (without counting it as a raffle entry)... but it is materially unrelated to the question of the OP. Just my 2 cents. Okki |
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I like the original idea. Split it up, it would still be awesome to win anything in the first place. I'm just happy to be supporting some serious head poppin... |
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[#38]
I guess I didn't read the rules very well when I bought my tix. I thought there would be multiple winners until I read the blurb in SWAT. While I would love for there to be multiple winners, if the rules were posted as one winner from the start ,then it should stay that way. Can't change the rules midstream.
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Good idea,split it up as much as you can.
I don;t now how much it would help this time but it gives you something to build on for the next time. 5 or 6 pics of the happ winners and their goodies should inspire more folks to jump in on the next one. I'd like to see one of these 3 or 4 times a year. |
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[#40]
I was happy to contribute to the cause but would also enjoy having a better chance at taking an item or two home as well.
Bumper Sticker? Sure send one out along with my rifle! |
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If the only place you've sold these raffle tickets is on arfcom, Juan has a list (obviously) of everyone they've been sold to, linked to user accounts.
As much as it would suck, what about putting a two-week freeze on new raffle ticket sales and send an email+IM out to everyone, with the two options? You could do "one user, one vote," or "one ticket, one vote". I think that's about as close to 'fair' as you can get. And again, my offer stands to help buy up the tickets of people who aren't happy with whatever y'all end up going with. |
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It only seems fair to me that since you have listed the prizes as all going to one person, they should all go to one person (assuming eligibility etc.)
That said I couldn't give a shit about the training classes so that would be the first to hit ebay/the EE if I won. So like some dude said already, give the winner first dibs on whatever they want, then put the rest back in the prize pool. |
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[#43]
I read this everytime it gets bumped to the top of my subs.
Everytime I think it should be locked and trashed because SOMEONE is going to claim they bought tickets thinking there was going to be multiple winners and there is only one winner, or visa verse. It has added an avenue for controversy that doesn't need to exist. JMHO |
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I think the first person drawn should get everything that they want, and can use. If they cant use/want it. Have drawings for the rest, each person drawn gets to chose one item.
Just paid for 3, good luck every one |
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[#45]
winning ANYHING would be very cool, but as long as my ten bucks helps to keep just one jihadist bastard away from my family, I really dont care.
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[#46]
I'm just glad to be donating directly to the warriors in the sandbox.
That mentioned, I voted that it would be nice to have more winners but realized after reading quite a few others comments that they have a very valid point. Someone might not have bought as many tickets (or any tickets at all, for that matter) if they weren't winning the whole package. Whether or not the ones that wouldn't have donated at all unless they could win everything are just greedy jackasses forgetting that the whole point of this was to raise money for the brave warriors putting their asses on the line over there while we're home safe banging away on the keys of our computers is beside my point. Oh yeah, my point is ... actually, I have two. There should only be one winner because that was what the rules were from the start and it's looking to be a HUGE headache if it changes now AND I, like others, have plenty of qualified/deserving people that I can give prizes to if I can't legally or administratively accept. If they're my winnings, I should be able to do whatever I want with them (as long as it's legal). |
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[#47]
So what decision was made. Are we in for one giant grand prize or 3,5,10.... prize winners?
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[#48]
One winner...unless it's a non-LEO/MIL winner.
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[#49]
Originally Posted By patchouli:
Hypothetical for y'all: The next post concerning this raffle states that instead of all that free gear, everybody who entered the raffle will WIN a free BUMPER STICKER!!!!!!!!!!!! Would that be okay? PLEASE ANSWER TRUTHFULLY AND EXPLAIN your answer. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By krpind:
I read this everytime it gets bumped to the top of my subs. Everytime I think it should be locked and trashed because SOMEONE is going to claim they bought tickets thinking there was going to be multiple winners and there is only one winner, or visa verse. It has added an avenue for controversy that doesn't need to exist. JMHO View Quote Damn, it is crazy how much your opinion will change after you have a lock and trash button for a while. |
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