Originally Posted By BuckeyeRifleman:

If there is one thing that is abundantly clear about Trump, is that he has no real political ideology. At the end of the day he cares about "winning" and MAGA was just a clear avenue to do so in 2016. His policies were largely the antithesis of what he campaigned on.

Originally Posted By FivespeedF150:
So governor DeSantis, not Haley, is a deep state agent?

Originally Posted By FivespeedF150:
So governor DeSantis, not Haley, is a deep state agent?

Someone owes Umberto an apology

Originally Posted By TxRabbitBane:
Trump will sell your rights to feed his ego.

There is no monolithic deep state boogeyman.

Originally Posted By Mickdog13:
Or, and a big OR here… What you described was the actual process of politics.

You have to give a little to get a little.
Could it be that Trump realized he’s going to have to do a little of that to get back to the throne?

Congrats.

Originally Posted By Low_Country:
Maybe he has always been a leaf in the political wind, guided by nothing more than what benefits him in the moment.

Originally Posted By StanGram:
All the things you cited are things that happen in every election. At least the endorsements.

Originally Posted By ranging-by-zipcode:
I guess we all just stay home and drink beer and watch the country crumble


That's what some want to do in this thread

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

The Bill Barr thing is very, very bizarre. Really bizarre.

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:


On the contrary, the antidote is more involvement, especially in primaries and at the state and local level.

A lot of people have expected Trump to fix it all. He is incapable of doing so even if he really wanted to, which has never been clear. That's not how this will be fixed.

What is required is a movement much, much bigger than Trump and it needs to come from the grass roots.

Originally Posted By Badlatitude:
Wow, You really like to type.

Originally Posted By AZ_Hi_Desert:
Trump is a deal maker. It's what he does.

Originally Posted By Paul_Sothern:
I'm still voting for Trump as I am sure not voting for Biden or his ilk.

Originally Posted By Paul_Sothern:
I'm still voting for Trump as I am sure not voting for Biden or his ilk.

Originally Posted By Paul_Sothern:
I'm still voting for Trump as I am sure not voting for Biden or his ilk.

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:
I've said before in plenty of threads that I think that the deep state was heading into a position where it would be forced to make some sort of deal to survive and to keep things from coming completely apart.

The deep state is thoroughly corrupt, but not everyone involved is catastrophically stupid. It only really survives if the man in the street doesn't know it really exists. I have previously postulated that different factions within it have been vying for control with the most nakedly ambitious winning most of the time largely due to the recognition of the problem of a shared enemy. The enemy, of course, being the growing populist sentiment in the country. Growing by the day based on even the most casual observation of circumstances, it's a real threat to the long term interests of the deep state.

The problem for them is that it's not going away. It's only getting bigger, fueled by the obvious nature of deep state actions but mostly by the serial catastrophes brought about by the preferred DS candidates being handed power and then proceeding to be retarded with it.

Corrupt is one thing. Corrupt and stupid is quite another, especially when both are readily apparent and are tangible in the standard of living for the average citizen.

Sooner or later if they are to survive, they have to make a deal.

I think they have picked their moment and made one. Or at least a faction of the deep state has.

Just within the last few weeks there has been a number of things that would seem incredibly puzzling based on past history.

- Trump endorses the Ukraine package as a "loan" that anyone with a double digit IQ knows is not
- Bill Barr comes out of the woodwork to say that he's backing Trump and that the cases against Trump are wrong
- Mitch McConnel endorses Trump and then goes on Face the Nation and says that he's supporting the nominee and that the nominee no longer "whipping" people against the package is a "good sign"
- Trump supporting FBI funding and their new HQ
- This rather absurd article where they give a rhetorical blowjob to a political actor with deep ties to big pharma, big corporate types, and the deep state claiming she is "salvaging" Trump's campaign
- Floating deep state stooges like Tim Scott as VP. (See prior article)
- The apparent peace-making between DeSantis and Trump

These are all discordant with past statements and behaviors. That so many of them are happening at about the same time is, I think, indicative of something important behind the scenes changing.

From the deep state's perspective, a deal with Trump now is vastly preferable to trying to deal with him later. He's significantly weaker now while hoping to win the presidency than he would be having won the presidency over their best efforts to stop him. He's the nominee now, despite their best efforts to derail his return to the Oval. I'm betting that some of the more rational actors in the deep state have recognized that doubling down and hoping that the trend somehow miraculously reverses is foolish and have decided to use the tried and true approach of doing whatever they can to ensure that no matter who wins, they win. At least on some level. They have let the more radical voices among them prevail up until now, but I think now you will start to see that pushed back because their strategies aren't working and are actually making things significantly worse.

If I'm right, what would the deal look like?

Trump gets:

- A grant of immunity from the Supreme Court with a majority that includes Roberts at the very least, but probably Roberts and Barrett. It could be a complete shutdown of all the lawfare cases citing presidential immunity. But I suspect the more likely result is a finding that presidential acts are immune but personal acts aren't, spawning an entirely new set of litigation about what acts end up in which pile that would put any of the cases being resolved well beyond the election, making all of them moot. Think of this as the dividing the baby in half approach and the Supremes are suckers for that shit. So that's what I expect. But the practical effect would be to reset all of those cases to zero while what sort of act each thing would have to be run through appeals.

- The fraud machine isn't supported by the deep state. I'm sure it will be activated because DNC is gonna DNC, but it doesn't have the full scale support that it did in 2020. That in combination with multiple states passing reforms to limit the impact of the fraud machine helps make the impact significantly less.

- The press' (because the mainstream press is just the mouthpiece of factions within the deep state) universal reviling of Trump diminishes. Biden starts to get more critical coverage rather than the tongue bath he's been getting up to now. The reality of the economic numbers (and how they've been "revised" every time for the last few years) starts to become a mainstream narrative.

- The deep state scales back on the wokeness shit.

- Essentially a legit shot at being president and an end to the majority of the lawfare with some victories he can show off.

- Maybe...maybe...some vindication in the judiciary with the more excessive abuses of judicial authority answered for. But I consider this one the longest of long shots. Judges do not like to hold other judges accountable no matter how blatantly corruptly they behave.


The Deep State gets:

- Dictating the VP pick. It ends up being somebody like Tim Scott or DeSantis as an insurance policy. Insurance because Trump can be impeached or outright killed if he gets uppity and their boy gets in. It's not an idle threat, either. Just ask the Kennedys. Or Nixon.

- Minimal to no institutional reform. There will be no swamp draining. At best, some of the more radical actors who have pushed things to the point of absurdity and who will not want to cooperate in a new direction will get offered up as sacrifices. They'll be thoroughly marginalized and ALL the sins of the deep state will be pinned on them to help sell the narrative that it was just a couple of bad apples and everything's better now. I expect that those who don't play ball with the new direction will actually suffer real consequences...or at least a few will as a warning to everybody else to step the fuck in line. But as far as real progress on defanging the "intelligence community" or the FBI? Not going to happen. In fact, once some of the bad actors get publicly hammered expect the whole flag-waving OUR HEROES routine to show up. This will be an improvement, but not a real correction.

- Ukraine funding continues. Forever war is back on the menu, boys. Iraq/Afghanistan for 20 years, Ukraine for the next 20. Buckle up.

- An attempt to rehab the deep state with Trump's most hardcore loyalists. There are a chunk of people voting for Trump who think he's Jesus and will swallow anything he says. So the DS will try to get him to rehab their image with that segment so that a broad and united coalition against them is more difficult to produce in the future. I expect that the price of this will be some scapegoats among the overreaching radicals. They get hammered and probably pretty hard to make sure the message is loud and clear what direction The Firm has decided on and to try and defang attempts to hold institutional actors accountable. Make the institutions choose between their pet radicals and their own existence, and I'm certain which decision they'll make.

- No serious inquiry into the jab. This serves both Trump and the DS' interest because Trump wants to think he deserves credit for solving COVID and the pharma companies most certainly do not want a serious examination of the health impacts of their vaccine, a full accounting of how it came to market, or what safeguards and protocols they overlooked to get a product on the market. This leaves vaccine impacted and those who have been red-pilled on the entire enterprise out in the cold, but with little they can do about it. Look for Trump's administration (if he wins) to actively shut down any attempt at investigation or accountability on that front.

- Trump endorsements of more establishment type candidates for congress, not real reformers. This one there is probably some room for squish on, but I'd expect Trump to come down for Uniparty candidates more often than not.


Now don't get me wrong...I don't want to be right, but that's what I think best explains the disparate things I've been seeing over the last 30 days or so. I'd love to be wrong. But as unpleasant as the conclusion is, it's the only one I see that fits.

If I'm right, my predictions above will manifest here and there.

That's why I'm writing this out in its own thread rather than in another, because I'm looking to set a mark and determine how accurately I'm seeing what's going on. One of the keys to determining whether or not you are getting the right sources of information and whether or not you're correctly analyzing that information is the extent to which you have the ability to accurately predict what's going to happen. This is an exercise in that.

Being right out the rear view is much easier than being right about the road ahead.

Originally Posted By JRBL1A1:
In questions like theses... I always revert to Trump NOT needing anything. He needs nothing. No need for money, power, recognition, nada.

That is the opposite for most people going in to politics.

I truly believe that Trump wants what is best for our country, our economy, to maintain and affirm our rights.

If he needs to "make a deal" with the "deep state", whatever who or what that is... I'll trust in Trump vs the alternative.

I just hope the next generation of people we elect, be it GOP or Democrat, are a bit less Joe, Kamala, and Obama. At this point I'll take a Bill Clinton (minus the AWB BS and his wife), at least he had some conservative economic principles.  

Originally Posted By NDHojo:

FFS grow up

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Thank you for providing an analysis that describes 75% of all elected officials.

But boy, you sure nailed Trump, didn't you?

Originally Posted By Genin:
TLDR, but at least OP used paragraphs.  If OP could condense it down I would be more interested in reading it.

Originally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast:
Trump made a deal with the deep state before he walked down that escalator.

Originally Posted By Low_Country:
Maybe he has always been a leaf in the political wind, guided by nothing more than what benefits him in the moment.

Originally Posted By Low_Country:


No offense man, but have you been paying attention?

Right or wrong, he got schlonged in his civil cases to the tune of $500M.

He is going to get convicted in his DC trial, likely his NY trial, and maybe his Florida trial too.

Any opportunity he had to "burn them" came and went years ago. Any deal he would make today would be for his own self-preservation. Not because he's finally got the deep state right where he wants them.

Originally Posted By NDHojo:
FFS grow up

Originally Posted By BuckeyeRifleman:
Nice factual response. We’re totally not the party driven by emotion.

Originally Posted By RustedAce:
If Trump is allowed into "power" its only to attribute the multifarious crises coming to fruiting to him.

Originally Posted By Francisco_dAnconia:
Seriously, John?  Let me counter you in a dozen words: Trump is not a threat to The Deep State.  He never was.  He didn't "drain the swamp" before and won't now.  If anything he is the DS's plant, supported by the MSM and the "no such thing as bad publicity" phenomenon, to capture all the disaffected and divert their attention, effort, and political donations to /dev/null.

Populism is a real threat to the country and Trump is a major public figure following whichever way that wind blows.

Originally Posted By sprtpilot:

Exactly.  Nothing else matters.  Trump will appoint Supreme Court and Federal Court judges that will be the best we can hope for.  Period.