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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/11/2024 5:34:25 AM EDT
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Get a gas block for it, you'll need it. The spring buffer can only do so much.
It should spit out clean nice brass once it's set correctly, it will shoot like a kitty cat @panther1911 |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/16/2024 2:59:14 PM EDT
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260 thread
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Posted: 3/24/2024 4:27:51 PM EDT
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What are you showing me here? My eyes are telling me one thing, but my brain is processing another.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/24/2024 10:05:23 PM EDT
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Nothing too special. Some alpha srp brass, cci 450s, and burgers that I pointed two of.
One piece of brass used as delivered, no sizing. One piece with the inside case mouth deburred. One with the inside and outside deburred. The ES and SD between these three was very small which is good, but the sample size was too small to be able to learn anything. No idea if one or the other has an effect on accuracy, but those three all went in a small hole at 100. Just trying different prep and obvioulsy the pointed berger. I still have to run my pointed vs not test at 600, they have the same powder charge... the only difference is the point. I'll shoot ten of each and varify elevation and windage differences. Just need to find the time and energy. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 5:56:53 PM EDT
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You guys need to upgrade your presses.
  .308 rifle rounds vs. 300 ton hydraulic press ???? #hydraulicpress #explosion #viral |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 10:13:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mettee: Nothing too special. Some alpha srp brass, cci 450s, and burgers that I pointed two of. One piece of brass used as delivered, no sizing. One piece with the inside case mouth deburred. One with the inside and outside deburred. The ES and SD between these three was very small which is good, but the sample size was too small to be able to learn anything. No idea if one or the other has an effect on accuracy, but those three all went in a small hole at 100. Just trying different prep and obvioulsy the pointed berger. I still have to run my pointed vs not test at 600, they have the same powder charge... the only difference is the point. I'll shoot ten of each and varify elevation and windage differences. Just need to find the time and energy. The good thing is I can’t shoot well enough to quantify a difference for most of these steps. So I just standardize my brass and load. |
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Posted: 3/25/2024 10:14:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell: You guys need to upgrade your presses.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVJC3bikzusI am disappointed. Not enough fire for a squirrel post. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 2:34:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpeyRod: The good thing is I can’t shoot well enough to quantify a difference for most of these steps. So I just standardize my brass and load. I'm still not sure the results will show up in real world use. The pointing is supposed to help, and it's shows up in elevation drop reduction, and again with less wind drift. I've seen people say a mil elevation difference between pointed and not. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 6:12:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mettee: I'm still not sure the results will show up in real world use. The pointing is supposed to help, and it's shows up in elevation drop reduction, and again with less wind drift. I've seen people say a mil elevation difference between pointed and not. But will you shoot at a long enough distance to benefit from the change? I would think you'd have to be shooting past 600yds? |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 11:05:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3: But will you shoot at a long enough distance to benefit from the change? I would think you'd have to be shooting past 600yds? Good question. I just finished building a portable shooting bench for my distance shooting. With a 1,500 yd range 5 minutes from my house I plan to do a bunch. Pointing is the one thing I am considering. I’m not even neck turning this batch of brass. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2024 2:03:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3: But will you shoot at a long enough distance to benefit from the change? I would think you'd have to be shooting past 600yds? Yeah it needs to be past 500-600 at least. The one range I use is beyond 1k, and the other area I shoot is also beyond 1k. This is just a fun thing to do to gather data. I wanted to try it and see if it worked. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 2:32:30 PM EDT
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Garmin Xero on the way. Eurooptic is great. Called with a question and they gave me a better price. Second time they’ve done that for me.
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:47:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpeyRod: I am disappointed. Not enough fire for a squirrel post. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpeyRod: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: You guys need to upgrade your presses. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVJC3bikzusI am disappointed. Not enough fire for a squirrel post. I've only got a 100-ton press at work. That one is 300. |
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Posted: 3/26/2024 5:50:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpeyRod: Garmin Xero on the way. Eurooptic is great. Called with a question and they gave me a better price. Second time they’ve done that for me. I want to get one of those, but I have no real need for one. The farthest I can regularly shoot is about 220 yards. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 12:56:37 AM EDT
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Anyone have a rifle that has an arca rail, and do you also have a garmin?
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Posted: 3/28/2024 6:13:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mettee: Anyone have a rifle that has an arca rail, and do you also have a garmin? Well, yes, but not on my tOBR.
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Posted: 3/28/2024 3:06:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mettee: Anyone have a rifle that has an arca rail, and do you also have a garmin? You thinking Area 419? I’m not sure I want to hang mine from the gun. I’m not integrating data while running and gunning. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:37:58 PM EDT
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No Keith at Phoenix custom rifles makes 3d printed mounts, I have two extra that I'll shoot out to you guys if you want.
D3 I may have your coords still https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/new-garmin-chrono-mount-30.7212316/#post-11493233 |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:46:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mettee: No Keith at Phoenix custom rifles makes 3d printed mounts, I have two extra that I'll shoot out to you guys if you want. D3 I may have your coords still https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/new-garmin-chrono-mount-30.7212316/#post-11493233 Very cool. Son just finished a cad class and his instructor really liked him. Told him to design anything he wants and he can come to his machine shop and build it on his cnc. May need to sick him on this. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 6:43:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mettee: No Keith at Phoenix custom rifles makes 3d printed mounts, I have two extra that I'll shoot out to you guys if you want. D3 I may have your coords still https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/new-garmin-chrono-mount-30.7212316/#post-11493233 Appreciate the most generous offer, but I have several, including a 419. 
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/31/2024 11:40:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/1/2024 6:16:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mettee: https://i.imgur.com/4mhX6lw.jpg https://i.imgur.com/PElLAyO.jpg https://i.imgur.com/qQtGxPF.jpg You have the best shooting range! |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 10:31:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SpeyRod]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mettee: https://i.imgur.com/4mhX6lw.jpg https://i.imgur.com/PElLAyO.jpg https://i.imgur.com/qQtGxPF.jpg I mapped this out yesterday on one of our properties. It’s 1,876 to the red dot. Obvious home on right is a buzz kil. But I can move 200 yards south and have a clean shot to the same spot after a little tree trimming. Only need to shoot over one of our barns. It’ll be a 2,035 yd shot. Need to start practicing at shorter ranges…. And build a gun.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 12:47:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Defender3]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpeyRod: I mapped this out yesterday on one of our properties. It’s 1,876 to the red dot. Obvious home on right is a buzz kil. But I can move 200 yards south and have a clean shot to the same spot after a little tree trimming. Only need to shoot over one of our barns. It’ll be a 2,035 yd shot. Need to start practicing at shorter ranges…. And build a gun. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/152968/IMG_2081_jpeg-3175484.JPG I'm a firm believer in surface danger zones and ricochet fans. I've seen bullets do things I would never have believed possible. If you're going to shoot a 33 caliber, you need 6,600yds of clear zone from your shooting position as an impact area. I can't recall the specific distances we use, but you also need some lateral yardage as a danger fan. Not trying to kill your buzz, but a lawsuit will humble you. |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 1:54:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3: I'm a firm believer in surface danger zones and ricochet fans. I've seen stuff bullets do things I would never have believed possible. If you're going to shoot a 33 caliber, you need 6,600yds of clear zone from your shooting position as an impact area. I can't recall the specific distances we use, but you also need some lateral yardage as a danger fan. Not trying to kill your buzz, but a lawsuit will humble you. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3: Originally Posted By SpeyRod: I mapped this out yesterday on one of our properties. It's 1,876 to the red dot. Obvious home on right is a buzz kil. But I can move 200 yards south and have a clean shot to the same spot after a little tree trimming. Only need to shoot over one of our barns. It'll be a 2,035 yd shot. Need to start practicing at shorter ranges . And build a gun. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/152968/IMG_2081_jpeg-3175484.JPG I'm a firm believer in surface danger zones and ricochet fans. I've seen stuff bullets do things I would never have believed possible. If you're going to shoot a 33 caliber, you need 6,600yds of clear zone from your shooting position as an impact area. I can't recall the specific distances we use, but you also need some lateral yardage as a danger fan. Not trying to kill your buzz, but a lawsuit will humble you. All this. My buddy was a machinegunner in the Crops, and he was the first to enlighten me about the surface danger zones (not sure if that's the term he used or not). Anyhow, he said even 9mm is like 1800 meters or something. Craziness. It makes sense, and I think a lot of home ranges are much more dangerous than most will admit. |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 2:46:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SpeyRod]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3: I'm a firm believer in surface danger zones and ricochet fans. I've seen stuff bullets do things I would never have believed possible. If you're going to shoot a 33 caliber, you need 6,600yds of clear zone from your shooting position as an impact area. I can't recall the specific distances we use, but you also need some lateral yardage as a danger fan. Not trying to kill your buzz, but a lawsuit will humble you. Appreciate the input and noted. I’ve been thinking along those line, just wishing I didn’t have to. I have one location where I can hit 1 mile and a mountain as a backstop. Just need to talk with the new owners to see if they would be ok with me putting a plate 200 yds over the fence. Again, thanks for the reality check. On to plan B… |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/1/2024 3:08:29 PM EDT
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I settled on 300 PRC for my mountain rifle. I think I'll build it so I can add weights to the chassis to do regular stuff, and strip it down for back pack hunts.
We shot a 358, which is a necked up 7mm rem mag. 250 grain bullets pack a punch from that thing. Also shot a 25-06 AI, it was impressive. I went five for five at 700 with a 3x9, hilarious . |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 4:58:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mettee: I settled on 300 PRC for my mountain rifle. I think I'll build it so I can add weights to the chassis to do regular stuff, and strip it down for back pack hunts. We shot a 358, which is a necked up 7mm rem mag. 250 grain bullets pack a punch from that thing. Also shot a 25-06 AI, it was impressive. I went five for five at 700 with a 3x9, hilarious . Check the 7mm / 270 stuff too, pretty good selections. The PRC limits you to only two factory rounds, the 212 and the 225. |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 5:03:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpeyRod: Appreciate the input and noted. I’ve been thinking along those line, just wishing I didn’t have to. I have one location where I can hit 1 mile and a mountain as a backstop. Just need to talk with the new owners to see if they would be ok with me putting a plate 200 yds over the fence. Again, thanks for the reality check. On to plan B… Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpeyRod: Originally Posted By Defender3: I'm a firm believer in surface danger zones and ricochet fans. I've seen stuff bullets do things I would never have believed possible. If you're going to shoot a 33 caliber, you need 6,600yds of clear zone from your shooting position as an impact area. I can't recall the specific distances we use, but you also need some lateral yardage as a danger fan. Not trying to kill your buzz, but a lawsuit will humble you. Appreciate the input and noted. I’ve been thinking along those line, just wishing I didn’t have to. I have one location where I can hit 1 mile and a mountain as a backstop. Just need to talk with the new owners to see if they would be ok with me putting a plate 200 yds over the fence. Again, thanks for the reality check. On to plan B… If you want to hurt your head, looks at some of the stuff in the USMC Pocket Guide we use as Range Safety Officers. Distance X in the tables is what you seek. The Corps runs risk models at 1 to 1,000,000 vs other services that do 1 to 10,000 or 100,000. Anything that can go wrong on a USMC range will be discovered and perpetrated by that private. |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 7:17:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3: If you want to hurt your head, looks at some of the stuff in the USMC Pocket Guide we use as Range Safety Officers. Distance X in the tables is what you seek. The Corps runs risk models at 1 to 1,000,000 vs other services that do 1 to 10,000 or 100,000. Anything that can go wrong on a USMC range will be discovered and perpetrated by that private. Thanks! |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 7:28:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3: If you want to hurt your head, looks at some of the stuff in the USMC Pocket Guide we use as Range Safety Officers. Distance X in the tables is what you seek. The Corps runs risk models at 1 to 1,000,000 vs other services that do 1 to 10,000 or 100,000. Anything that can go wrong on a USMC range will be discovered and perpetrated by that private. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3: Originally Posted By SpeyRod: Originally Posted By Defender3: I'm a firm believer in surface danger zones and ricochet fans. I've seen stuff bullets do things I would never have believed possible. If you're going to shoot a 33 caliber, you need 6,600yds of clear zone from your shooting position as an impact area. I can't recall the specific distances we use, but you also need some lateral yardage as a danger fan. Not trying to kill your buzz, but a lawsuit will humble you. Appreciate the input and noted. I’ve been thinking along those line, just wishing I didn’t have to. I have one location where I can hit 1 mile and a mountain as a backstop. Just need to talk with the new owners to see if they would be ok with me putting a plate 200 yds over the fence. Again, thanks for the reality check. On to plan B… If you want to hurt your head, looks at some of the stuff in the USMC Pocket Guide we use as Range Safety Officers. Distance X in the tables is what you seek. The Corps runs risk models at 1 to 1,000,000 vs other services that do 1 to 10,000 or 100,000. Anything that can go wrong on a USMC range will be discovered and perpetrated by that private. There is/was a convoy live-fire range on Ft. Drum that had a small town a farts-sniff away. At certain stations, you were firing towards the town but angled away about 30-40 degrees. At night we could see ricochets constantly flying up through the air and heading over to that town. Not sure how that setup ever got approved, but I never heard of anyone getting hurt from it. |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 9:11:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell: There is/was a convoy live-fire range on Ft. Drum that had a small town a farts-sniff away. At certain stations, you were firing towards the town but angled away about 30-40 degrees. At night we could see ricochets constantly flying up through the air and heading over to that town. Not sure how that setup ever got approved, but I never heard of anyone getting hurt from it. I know shit happens. I just have to make sure it doesn’t happen on my watch. I have another spot I can shoot a mile about 5 minutes from the house. I would have to go about 200 yards ont our neighbors property. Check to see if he was still listed as owner and it is now a “wild life management area.” Thinking they did a conservation easement. The good news is no homes for miles beyond it. It’s also backed by a mountain. I’ll work on that solution and see what I can make of it. |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 9:25:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpeyRod: I know shit happens. I just have to make sure it doesn’t happen on my watch. I have another spot I can shoot a mile about 5 minutes from the house. I would have to go about 200 yards ont our neighbors property. Check to see if he was still listed as owner and it is now a “wild life management area.” Thinking they did a conservation easement. The good news is no homes for miles beyond it. It’s also backed by a mountain. I’ll work on that solution and see what I can make of it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpeyRod: Originally Posted By SecretSquirell: There is/was a convoy live-fire range on Ft. Drum that had a small town a farts-sniff away. At certain stations, you were firing towards the town but angled away about 30-40 degrees. At night we could see ricochets constantly flying up through the air and heading over to that town. Not sure how that setup ever got approved, but I never heard of anyone getting hurt from it. I know shit happens. I just have to make sure it doesn’t happen on my watch. I have another spot I can shoot a mile about 5 minutes from the house. I would have to go about 200 yards ont our neighbors property. Check to see if he was still listed as owner and it is now a “wild life management area.” Thinking they did a conservation easement. The good news is no homes for miles beyond it. It’s also backed by a mountain. I’ll work on that solution and see what I can make of it. I'm jealous. Here, I have to work at getting 220. There's a range a bit over an hour away that goes to 600, but their fees are pretty high and require a lot of "volunteer" work just to stay in good standing. |
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Posted: 4/1/2024 10:27:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SecretSquirell: I'm jealous. Here, I have to work at getting 220. There's a range a bit over an hour away that goes to 600, but their fees are pretty high and require a lot of "volunteer" work just to stay in good standing. I hear about that all the time. You have to remember where I am. Way out in the sticks, compared to a city, basically. Almost exactly between San Francisco and Portland. I can hike to the top of our street and be in the forest. We are also one of the biggest ag companies in the area so space is what we have. Great restraunts? Actual selection for reloading components? Conveniences? Not so much. |
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Posted: 4/2/2024 12:18:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3: Check the 7mm / 270 stuff too, pretty good selections. The PRC limits you to only two factory rounds, the 212 and the 225. I considered the 7 PRC. The 8# 300 prc I shot was very easy to shoot, nothing unpleasant, had a brake. The 7 PRC is still an option but I want to get an elk and I think the 30 cal is better....the 212 eldx is just under 4000 ftlb muzzle energy. |
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Posted: 4/2/2024 6:37:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mettee: I considered the 7 PRC. The 8# 300 prc I shot was very easy to shoot, nothing unpleasant, had a brake. The 7 PRC is still an option but I want to get an elk and I think the 30 cal is better....the 212 eldx is just under 4000 ftlb muzzle energy. If you are loading look at the 7prc with the 195 Berger’s. The 300 prc with 220’s is neck and neck with it. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/3/2024 1:52:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: mettee]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpeyRod: If you are loading look at the 7prc with the 195 Berger’s. The 300 prc with 220’s is neck and neck with it. My concern is that the 7 prc numbers aren't what hornady is claiming they are. I'll hand load but I don't want to start in a deficit. I don't think the 195 can get to the stated speed in the 7 prc. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 6:57:25 PM EDT
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Back to regular programming.
If you recall, I had two barrels sent to Compass Lake in October to be machined for the tOBR. I got the barrels back yesterday and there appears to be a slight issue. The LaRue extensions are a skosh longer than the DPMS extensions for the AR-10. The DPMS is ~1.234 and the LaRue's are ~1.243. The barrels I got back are both 1.234. Now, that shouldn't be too much of an issue as it just means to bolt extends a thou, but it's the point that counts. The barrel extension flange is also thicker on the LaRue, but not on the barrels CLE worked. As soon as I had the barrels direct shipped from Brunos some internal BS started with CLE, so the person who I expected to do the work (Paul) was not the person who ended up doing the work. I wanted them to scope both barrels and pick the best, but they dude couldn't grasp that concept so I had them just chamber and finish both. It was also seems clear they never looked at the upper, bolt and extension nut as they weren't even opened to headspace the barrels. I'm getting so tired of shitake like this. 
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Posted: 4/3/2024 7:20:18 PM EDT
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I think that I recall seeing that Larue's Barrel Extensions use the Armalite pattern.
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Posted: 4/3/2024 7:34:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3: Back to regular programming. If you recall, I had two barrels sent to Compass Lake in October to be machined for the tOBR. I got the barrels back yesterday and there appears to be a slight issue. The LaRue extensions are a skosh longer than the DPMS extensions for the AR-10. The DPMS is ~1.234 and the LaRue's are ~1.243. The barrels I got back are both 1.234. Now, that shouldn't be too much of an issue as it just means to bolt extends a thou, but it's the point that counts. The barrel extension flange is also thicker on the LaRue, but not on the barrels CLE worked. As soon as I had the barrels direct shipped from Brunos some internal BS started with CLE, so the person who I expected to do the work (Paul) was not the person who ended up doing the work. I wanted them to scope both barrels and pick the best, but they dude couldn't grasp that concept so I had them just chamber and finish both. It was also seems clear they never looked at the upper, bolt and extension nut as they weren't even opened to headspace the barrels. I'm getting so tired of shitake like this. Customer service and follow through are declining arts. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 8:14:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3: Back to regular programming. If you recall, I had two barrels sent to Compass Lake in October to be machined for the tOBR. I got the barrels back yesterday and there appears to be a slight issue. The LaRue extensions are a skosh longer than the DPMS extensions for the AR-10. The DPMS is ~1.234 and the LaRue's are ~1.243. The barrels I got back are both 1.234. Now, that shouldn't be too much of an issue as it just means to bolt extends a thou, but it's the point that counts. The barrel extension flange is also thicker on the LaRue, but not on the barrels CLE worked. As soon as I had the barrels direct shipped from Brunos some internal BS started with CLE, so the person who I expected to do the work (Paul) was not the person who ended up doing the work. I wanted them to scope both barrels and pick the best, but they dude couldn't grasp that concept so I had them just chamber and finish both. It was also seems clear they never looked at the upper, bolt and extension nut as they weren't even opened to headspace the barrels. I'm getting so tired of shitake like this. You got bigjake'd |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 6:24:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mettee: You got bigjake'd He didn't do the work, CLE just uses his spec'd pattern to turn the barrel and Paul is the one who does the LaRue stuff. CLE did the pattern, and got the +2 gas port right (and the pad at 1"), but not the correct extension and flange specs (they also failed to send back my upper and parts with the barrels so, I have to wait on them to do some testing). I also have to scope the barrels to see if they drilled the gas ports correctly in a groove and decide if I want to spend $120 in shipping to have them (possibly) do it right, or just accept that the bolt will now travel another thou to lock up. |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 12:55:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mettee]
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I think if the number is correct the size difference is .009. Not sure how that will effect lock/unlock, if I'm seeing this correctly in my mind, that would put the unlock out of time by that much...maybe?
Do the feed ramps and extension face mate up flat inside the upper? ETA: I just read one of bigjakes posts on hide, he says the extensions are .011 short so would have to machine your upper receiver or the flange on the extension in order to use these barrels. If you ever wanted to go back to a larue barrel you'd have to use an .011 spacer if you modify the upper |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 4/7/2024 10:24:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BigJohn83]
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I walked John (Defender3) through his options over the phone the other day after I tracked down his parts and had them sent back for him. The .011 difference is barrel exstenion length will NOT effect the timing. As I mentioned in part 3 of my thread I have ran barrels with the barrel exstenion turned down and have ran them without and have never had a issue either way.
Regardless John is right he paid for his service and it wasn't done correctly, Conrad has completely fucked up CLE and clearly doesn't care about this last minute work that he's pushing out. No one saw this coming, CLE is a family ran business and they didn't bother to tell anyone untill people (Paul) got.his walking papers. As I told John over the phone the .011 is a very petty difference that won't effect anything, my OBR in Part 1 ( oldest rifle) doesn't have anything turned down and it's a honest 1/4 MOA rifle that will outperform most custom bolt guns. Hopefully to put this into perspective your carrier is going to travel .085" to the rear before it even starts actuate the Cam Pin to start unlocking/rotation of the Bolt, that leave a lot of wiggle room in regards to timing. |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 5:51:44 PM EDT
[#45]
Sorry guys, at a bit of a low point right now.
Both barrels sent to CLE are unuseable, they chambered them in 6.5CM. I had two barrels directly shipped from Bruno's, a Krieger and a Bartlein. They were supposed to scope the barrels and determine which one was the best, and then chamber that barrel in .260R for a LaRue tOBR at 22" with a +2 gas port and send the finished and unfinished barrel back (of course, at my expense). I sent my upper, bolt, barrel nut and a tOBR barrel nut wrench in October. In January the rumblings about CLE having issues started. I called and was assured they were simply exiting the individual barrel finishing space and all current orders would be completed and filled. I received a call in Late February saying they were starting my barrels. I again discussed what I wanted and that a single barrel only should be finished in .260R. The guy was having trouble getting that right so I said just finish both at 22" with a +2 and in 260 Remington. Fast forward to this week when I received the barrels back. I will say the work is good, threads are crisp, the +2 gas holes are centered in a groove, the gas block channel is exactly a 1" pad stepped nicely and at 0.8755 (larger than an .800 since you don't have to fit in the handguard), the barrel profiled and the chamber looks good (nice smooth transition from the chamber throat to the lands). Unfortunately, CLE chambered them in 6.5CM, cut them to 24" not 22" (not a big deal) and did a DPMS extension, not the skosh longer used by LaRue. I'm going to be drinking tonight. |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 6:05:23 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3: Sorry guys, at a bit of a low point right now. Both barrels sent to CLE are unuseable, they chambered them in 6.5CM. I had two barrels directly shipped from Bruno's, a Krieger and a Bartlein. They were supposed to scope the barrels and determine which one was the best, and then chamber that barrel in .260R for a LaRue tOBR at 22" with a +2 gas port and send the finished and unfinished barrel back (of course, at my expense). I sent my upper, bolt, barrel nut and a tOBR barrel nut wrench in October. In January the rumblings about CLE having issues started. I called and was assured they were simply exiting the individual barrel finishing space and all current orders would be completed and filled. I received a call in Late February saying they were starting my barrels. I again discussed what I wanted and that a single barrel only should be finished in .260R. The guy was having trouble getting that right so I said just finish both at 22" with a +2 and in 260 Remington. Fast forward to this week when I received the barrels back. I will say the work is good, threads are crisp, the +2 gas holes are centered in a groove, the gas block channel is exactly a 1" pad stepped nicely and at 0.8755 (larger than an .800 since you don't have to fit in the handguard), the barrel profiled and the chamber looks good (nice smooth transition from the chamber throat to the lands). Unfortunately, CLE chambered them in 6.5CM, cut them to 24" not 22" (not a big deal) and did a DPMS extension, not the skosh longer used by LaRue. I'm going to be drinking tonight. That sucks. |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 6:35:10 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Defender3: Sorry guys, at a bit of a low point right now. Both barrels sent to CLE are unuseable, they chambered them in 6.5CM. I had two barrels directly shipped from Bruno's, a Krieger and a Bartlein. They were supposed to scope the barrels and determine which one was the best, and then chamber that barrel in .260R for a LaRue tOBR at 22" with a +2 gas port and send the finished and unfinished barrel back (of course, at my expense). I sent my upper, bolt, barrel nut and a tOBR barrel nut wrench in October. In January the rumblings about CLE having issues started. I called and was assured they were simply exiting the individual barrel finishing space and all current orders would be completed and filled. I received a call in Late February saying they were starting my barrels. I again discussed what I wanted and that a single barrel only should be finished in .260R. The guy was having trouble getting that right so I said just finish both at 22" with a +2 and in 260 Remington. Fast forward to this week when I received the barrels back. I will say the work is good, threads are crisp, the +2 gas holes are centered in a groove, the gas block channel is exactly a 1" pad stepped nicely and at 0.8755 (larger than an .800 since you don't have to fit in the handguard), the barrel profiled and the chamber looks good (nice smooth transition from the chamber throat to the lands). Unfortunately, CLE chambered them in 6.5CM, cut them to 24" not 22" (not a big deal) and did a DPMS extension, not the skosh longer used by LaRue. I'm going to be drinking tonight. Holy fuck |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 6:38:22 PM EDT
[#48]
They're not gonna make it right I assume?
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Posted: 4/7/2024 6:41:58 PM EDT
[#49]
Damn. That sucks.
Zero chance I’ll use them in the future now. |
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Posted: 4/7/2024 6:57:00 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SpeyRod: Damn. That sucks. Zero chance I’ll use them in the future now. They solved that for you, they no longer do customer work. |
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