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another plus is it takes all AR uppers...just a propietary BCG
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Where the fuck can I get one of those lowers!?
EDIT: Found it! I'm going to have a hard time choosing between this and a Mini-14. Fuck it, I'll just end up getting both anyway ARES SCR lower |
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I picked one up a few weeks ago, they feel really nice.
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I want one bad, have since they announced it, but I have been refusing to buy one because they have absolutely horrendous customer service. I have tried emailing, calling and even resorted to facebook messaging with some questions that I had but have never heard back from them.
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My advice is to call them. They have knowledgeable staff who were quick to deal with my SCR trigger upgrade.
In 2015 you shouldn't have to rely on phones but it worked for me. |
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This is the first I have seen it and I am not sure how I feel about it. I may have to order one and try it for myself but I will let them be out a bit so I can read more results by members I have come to trust on this forum.
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Very quick and easy handling. Takes all AR magazines Takes all AR uppers Cons: Can not access magazine release with shooting hand Does not have bolt release/lock installed from factory AR height sights are a no-go. Overall it's a great, fun gun on it's own. If you are in a ban state it's an awesome, maybe even the best, option. It's an M1 carbine made out of AR parts. |
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They did say that most ambidextrous mag releases will fit, which makes mag changes slightly easier, and there is a bolt catch that is available from Ares, and takes less than a minute to install.
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Originally Posted By gadgetguy1288:
They did say that most ambidextrous mag releases will fit, which makes mag changes slightly easier, and there is a bolt catch that is available from Ares, and takes less than a minute to install. View Quote Should be included and already installed, I mean, come on. |
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Originally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
I'm fixing to get one, though I live part of the time in free states and part of the time in ban states. I figure the SCR will be legal in the strictest places, but still a fun shooter even in Texas. Some naysayers were moaning about what a horribly gimpy compromise the SCR is, which I think is the opposite of truth: it's one of the least hobbled AR variants. No weird convoluted stocks or trick-release mags, it's just a straightforward rework of the ergonomics while leaving most of the AR's mechanical principles in place. I'm planning to get one when travel and finances allow. Been plotting my build, but unfortunately Gunstruction doesn't have the SCR lower as an option yet: http://www.ar15.com/gunstruction/ . I emailed Ares to ask them to work with Gunstruction to add it, but not sure that's the kind of thing Ares is good at following up on. Maybe if more SCR enthusiasts email Gunstruction they'd look more seriously at adding it? Not sure whose this is, but this photo has been floating around the internet; what I'd want for myself is something a lot like this, with a permanently-affixed linear comp to bring it up to 16", since LCs are legal in states where flash-suppressors aren't. And also the Short Sporter stock for minimum bulk. I'm set on buying an SCR lower later this year, and then whatever side-charging upper maker is first to ensure compatibility with the SCR. My understanding is that the Gibbz side-charger lacks a specific cutout needed to fit an upper to the SCR, so that would need modifying. I was initially interested in whatever wooden stock they offer in the future, but on further thought I think I'll stick with the polymer stock, and have the stock and whichever FF handguard I choose hydro dipped into a cool fake wood pattern, like the dipped metal handguard on this AR: http://i61.tinypic.com/29m2kvb.jpg View Quote I actually contacted Gibbz about their uppers, because I built a 14.5" 6.8 on their upper for use with an SCR, but after I had the upper built I found out that it wouldn't work. Gibbz makes side charging uppers for themselves, New Frontier Armory and X-products(at least from looking at them, they all look identical). Gibbz said all their uppers moving forward will have the necessary relief cut to function with the SCR(they actually said that the uppers that were off at the coater's have the cut, and that was several months ago so Im sure they are done now). I'm working on buying one from X-products to replace the Gibbz that I have now. |
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Originally Posted By gadgetguy1288:
I actually contacted Gibbz about their uppers, because I built a 14.5" 6.8 on their upper for use with an SCR, but after I had the upper built I found out that it wouldn't work. Gibbz makes side charging uppers for themselves, New Frontier Armory and X-products(at least from looking at them, they all look identical). Gibbz said all their uppers moving forward will have the necessary relief cut to function with the SCR(they actually said that the uppers that were off at the coater's have the cut, and that was several months ago so Im sure they are done now). I'm working on buying one from X-products to replace the Gibbz that I have now. View Quote Good deal, glad to hear it's not just Reddit rumor that Gibbz is making accomodations. Your build sounds awesome; is it a true SBR, or are you permanently affixing an MD to get to 16"? Even if the pieces won't actually function together, do you have a photo of the build so far? Or if not it'd be great to post a photo when you have it up and running. |
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I kinda want one just because it's so weird and different. Haven't found one around to check out though.
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With a magwell that shallow it looks like a potential candidate for 7.62x39.
ETA: looks like it does. |
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Originally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
Good deal, glad to hear it's not just Reddit rumor that Gibbz is making accomodations. Your build sounds awesome; is it a true SBR, or are you permanently affixing an MD to get to 16"? Even if the pieces won't actually function together, do you have a photo of the build so far? Or if not it'd be great to post a photo when you have it up and running. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
Originally Posted By gadgetguy1288:
I actually contacted Gibbz about their uppers, because I built a 14.5" 6.8 on their upper for use with an SCR, but after I had the upper built I found out that it wouldn't work. Gibbz makes side charging uppers for themselves, New Frontier Armory and X-products(at least from looking at them, they all look identical). Gibbz said all their uppers moving forward will have the necessary relief cut to function with the SCR(they actually said that the uppers that were off at the coater's have the cut, and that was several months ago so Im sure they are done now). I'm working on buying one from X-products to replace the Gibbz that I have now. Good deal, glad to hear it's not just Reddit rumor that Gibbz is making accomodations. Your build sounds awesome; is it a true SBR, or are you permanently affixing an MD to get to 16"? Even if the pieces won't actually function together, do you have a photo of the build so far? Or if not it'd be great to post a photo when you have it up and running. I have a surefire Socom FH pinned on. Don't have scr yet, hopefully in a month or two. Gotta get my upper swapped out first, mine is one of the previous gens that doesn't have the cut out. |
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I would assume it could be done but I can unload the current one I have for close to what I paid for it, and the new one won't be any more expensive so it's probably cheaper to go that route rather than paying to have it milled or and then refinished.
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I think the magwell is tight (I don't think it is, there is quite a bit of wobble) because it is so short and designed to accept 5 rd magazines. Throw a 30 in there and it moves quite a bit side to side. One of the compromises of the very short magazine well.
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Interesting,, FAL rat tail design.
So you could build one up in any AR15 mag length caliber? How does gas system work? Would be great if it was adjustable, like a FAL. |
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I think I might Need one of these.
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THANKS,,kept looking on Ares site for more info.
Now wondering,,what about changing gas key to a piston style? Think it possible? There would be no bolt tipping. No experience with AR piston gas system,except for Rhino. 2 decades ago. Thinking surpressed. |
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Originally Posted By JPC:
THANKS,,keep last joking on Ares site for more info. Now wondering,,what about changing gas key to a piston style? Think it possible? There would be no bolt tipping. No experience with AR piston gas system,except for Rhino. 2 decades ago. View Quote Why do you say there would be no bolt tipping? It won't manifest as a gouged buffer tube, but it could accelerate wear to upper at the 4 rail locations. |
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I feel so dirty for wanting one of these.
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Seems close to a FAL design.
After 8000rds through,no real wear.on my FAL. There's a FAL called Old Dirty,,18000+ no cleaning. So how would the wear on this go? Must be a spring system in stock,like my FAL. Thinking out loud,but,going to try one. May even see about a piston conversion. Never know till tried,right? |
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Seems close to a FAL design.
After 8000rds through,no real wear.on my FAL. There's a FAL called Old Dirty,,18000+ no cleaning. So how would the wear on this go? Must be a spring system in stock,like my FAL. Thinking out loud,but,going to try one. May even see about a piston conversion. Never know till tried,right? View Quote Might want to give Ares a call and ask if they have any comment on piston conversions. Normally I'd say "email them" but apparently Ares is not good about replying to email. If you get an answer from them, tell us what they say. I actually contacted Gibbz about their uppers, because I built a 14.5" 6.8 on their upper for use with an SCR, View Quote So a 14.5 w/ permanent MD up to 16"+, in 6.8 SPC; pretty wicked. Midlength or carbine gas? Going to go adjustable on the gasblock? We're looking at building pretty similar things, and I'm fixing to go 14.5->16+, mid gas, adjustable since I'm a little wary about things running smoothly with that little barrel past the block, so some adjusting wiggle room is reassuring. What optic and/or irons are you planning? I'd briefly debated doing mine in 6.5 Grendel, but I think I'll stick with .223 because I have the ammo, and in hopes that, like Gibbz, some maker offers a variant of their .22 conversion bolt for the SCR, since a couple folks tried one or two standard .22 conversions and they didn't quite fit. But other than the Gibbz and a couple .22 conversions, I haven't heard of any other uppers having compatibility issues. |
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The barrel is an AR15Performance barrel, his are known in the 6.8 realm as some of the best. Its a mid length gas system, but I'm using a standard gas block since I'm using a Centurion CMR handguard, I dont think anyone has found a piston system that works under the CMR yet. I *think* that the Adams arms XLP kit would work, but I do not know for sure, and I don't have the extra cash to buy the kit just to check the fit. I went with the SF FH because eventually I plan on picking up either the Socom 68 or mini 762 to go on it, but that wont be till the end of the year. I'll have to take a picture of the upper as it sits now, since from the outside its not going to change with the new upper, it'll just have the relief cut ont he new one instead not on this one, lol ETA: I plan on trying out the CZ sights that were mentioned earlier in the post for irons, and I am thinking about trying them on a couple of 45 offset rails to see how it works, but Im not sure if they will stay like that or, depends on how they feel once I get it set up. I plan on giving the new Vortex 1-6x a try for a scope, this rifle will mainly be used as a hunting gun, and around here, unless you are hunting out over a field, the longest shot your gonna take is gonna be about 75yds. If I decide I don't like the vortex on this rifle then I'l swap it out for a Leupold VX-R 2-7 or 1-4 most likely. |
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My wife prefers the rifle sole buttstock aesthetically so we're thinking about one of these.
ETA. Strangely, I would like to see one of these with an mk12 spr upper. Also, think it would look cool with a CASV type handguard. Thinking it would look very "m1a socom 2"-ish |
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Well been looking for the old style piston gas key.
Now seems all the piston systems have the one piece bcgs. 6.8 or 300BO will be my choice.Have enough 5.56s. My FAL and Winchester M1 Garand for larger .30 calibers. Will be ordering SCR next week. |
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Originally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
There's no SCR lower option on Gunstruction, so for the time being I had to compromise my vision by subbing in one of those weird crooked CA-legal stocks. But something like this but with an SCR lower, and the camo bits are intended to be wood patter hydro dip. This is what I'm imagining: http://i58.tinypic.com/65a4ci.png View Quote Awwww ! What has been seen can not be unseen. |
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We've been selling these as lowers and complete rifles at my work. They are good to go. Can't get enough of the Monte Carlo Stocked versions.
You have to communicate with Ares via the telephone. They can be tough to get a hold of but when you do they are very helpful. |
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Nice rifles guys! I'll be ordering my lower soon. Hopefully this month. I honestly have no idea which stock I want, though. I'm 6'1" and was thinking the sport short stock for a compact rifle, but I've heard it's too short for a grown man. Anyone know the difference in LOP? Supposing excluding the short, thoughts on sport stock vs Monte carlo? Ps.. more pics |
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Originally Posted By Andromax:
Anyone else not in a ban state just love this thing? View Quote |
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Originally Posted By Zaphod:
Originally Posted By Andromax:
Anyone else not in a ban state just love this thing? This would probably be about the only way my dad would let me build him an AR, he's a bit of a fudd |
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Originally Posted By Andromax:
Nice rifles guys! I'll be ordering my lower soon. Hopefully this month. I honestly have no idea which stock I want, though. I'm 6'1" and was thinking the sport short stock for a compact rifle, but I've heard it's too short for a grown man. Anyone know the difference in LOP? Supposing excluding the short, thoughts on sport stock vs Monte carlo? Ps.. more pics View Quote The stock on mine above is the shorter one (about 12.125"). I am 6' tall. The longer one is the same as an M1 rifle's, or an inch longer than mine. I went this length because of the old Weaver scope I was going to mount really low and rearwards. Eye relief and nose on the rear of the charging handle is perfect for this optic and LOP. |
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So the sport short is only an inch shorter than the sport stock? Interesting.
The short feel pretty comfortable for you? |
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Originally Posted By coldblue:
Doing mine a little different. Keep it minimal and low profile. Since installing the KAC 3.1 required barrel removal, I substituted an extra upper with an integral case deflector in the process. The forward assist is of course non-functional, so I plugged it. Love the feel of this rifle...and it has all the muscle memory of my first .22 and shotgun. <a href="http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/D_A_Lutz/media/SCR%20Phase%201a_zps30mbn6db.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q759/D_A_Lutz/SCR%20Phase%201a_zps30mbn6db.jpg</a> View Quote Sick looking rifle. Im thinking this set up with a 13.7 or 12" barrel |
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Originally Posted By Andromax:
So the sport short is only an inch shorter than the sport stock? Interesting. The short feel pretty comfortable for you? View Quote Yes, the sport stock is good to go for this old Weaver scope or low profile iron sights. I am using Leupold's low QRW rings to facilitate scope removal without tools and mounting pre-zeroed back-up iron sights. The scope's eye relief and low line of sight combine to make this a very fast get-on-target equation. |
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Originally Posted By CJofFL:
Here you go... http://www.adamsarms.net/piston-carrier-key View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By CJofFL:
Originally Posted By JPC:
Well been looking for the old style piston gas key. Now seems all the piston systems have the one piece bcgs. Here you go... http://www.adamsarms.net/piston-carrier-key Absolutely, positively do NOT use one of those bolt on impact keys! There's a reason that all major piston manufacturers supply carriers with an integral impact lug. The bolt on keys will fail; it's only a question of when and they can do spectacular damage to your weapon when they do fail. We have ARES SCR piston carriers with integral lugs going on the machines this week and they should be back from heat treat & coating and be available within 2-3 weeks from now. These are intended to be used in conjunction with our GXR gas piston retrofit kits, but may also work with several of the other piston uppers that are out there in the marketplace. Thank & stand by. |
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Originally Posted By coldblue:
Doing mine a little different. Keep it minimal and low profile. Since installing the KAC 3.1 required barrel removal, I substituted an extra upper with an integral case deflector in the process. The forward assist is of course non-functional, so I plugged it. Love the feel of this rifle...and it has all the muscle memory of my first .22 and shotgun. <a href="http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/D_A_Lutz/media/SCR%20Phase%201a_zps30mbn6db.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q759/D_A_Lutz/SCR%20Phase%201a_zps30mbn6db.jpg</a> View Quote That is nice. 20 round mag? |
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Good deal, got an Ares rep on the thread!
@Ares: any word as to what .22 uppers or drop-ins are compatible with the SCR? My understanding was that, like the Gibbz side-charger, several .22 kits don't quite mesh with the SCR. Any exceptions, or mfgs planning to offer an SCR-friendly variant? Any update on SCR-suitable low iron sights, other than the CZ Evo some folks are trying? |
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Originally Posted By MatthewVanitas:
Good deal, got an Ares rep on the thread! @Ares: any word as to what .22 uppers or drop-ins are compatible with the SCR? My understanding was that, like the Gibbz side-charger, several .22 kits don't quite mesh with the SCR. Any exceptions, or mfgs planning to offer an SCR-friendly variant? Any update on SCR-suitable low iron sights, other than the CZ Evo some folks are trying? View Quote We have an improved .22 rim fire kit that will fit both the ARES SCR and most standard AR/M4 type rifles too. We've been shooting it and it works well but has not officially entered production yet. Will use Black Dog magazines as well as some steel mags that are out there. We're working out final production details now and once it does enter production, lead times will be short for rapid delivery. We have ARES SCR iron sights on 3 machines now and will be available this coming week when first batch is back from anodizing. They attach with no gunsmithing required and include a sling swivel on the front. Rear sight has a flip type aperture for 0-200 and a smaller aperture for longer distance; windage adjustable. Front is standard elevation adjustable post, just like what everyone is used to. I'll try to get a pic posted later today if I can. Thanks. |
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Originally Posted By p226guy:
That is nice. 20 round mag? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By p226guy:
Originally Posted By coldblue:
Doing mine a little different. Keep it minimal and low profile. Since installing the KAC 3.1 required barrel removal, I substituted an extra upper with an integral case deflector in the process. The forward assist is of course non-functional, so I plugged it. Love the feel of this rifle...and it has all the muscle memory of my first .22 and shotgun. <a href="http://s1357.photobucket.com/user/D_A_Lutz/media/SCR%20Phase%201a_zps30mbn6db.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1357.photobucket.com/albums/q759/D_A_Lutz/SCR%20Phase%201a_zps30mbn6db.jpg</a> That is nice. 20 round mag? Not a 20. Its the 10-rounder that comes with the rifle. I have 20 each, 5-round strings fired through this original magazine with zero issues. In the world of 10-rounders, its a good one! |
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