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Posted: 11/13/2010 11:44:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: amos1909]
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Originally Posted By Les123: No, it is ILLEGAL to ship Ammo via US Post Office. What will happen if you ship ammo via USPS. I just had a member ship some .357 sig ammo to me and did not get it. Can he or I be charged or fined? Amos1909 |
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Posted: 11/28/2010 4:36:27 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By srt205:
You can ship ammo via USPS. Do it all the time. Local PO said you can't ship primers or powder but factory ammo is ok. srt205 Some people's kids... 
Straight from the USPS site: Postal Explorer > Publication 52 - Hazardous, Restricted, and Perishable Mail > 3 Hazardous Materials > 34 Mailability by Hazard Class 34 Mailability by Hazard Class 341 Explosives (Hazard Class 1) 341.1 Definition An explosive is any substance or article, including a device, that is designed to function by explosion (an extremely rapid release of gas and heat) or that, by chemical reaction within itself, is able to function in a similar manner even if not designed to function by explosion, unless the substance or article is otherwise classed under the provisions in 49 CFR. Division 1.4 consists of explosives that present a minor blast hazard. Examples are common fireworks, toy caps, empty primed grenades, and some small arms ammunition. 341.21 Nonmailable Explosives Nonmailable explosives found in the mailstream must be immediately reported in accordance with POM 139.117. Nonmailable explosives include, but are not limited to, the following: Small Arms Ammunition. Ammunition is classified as a Division 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, or 1.4 explosive, depending on the degree of hazard. Ammunition that is regulated as a Class 1 explosive and designed to be fired from a pistol, revolver, rifle, or shotgun, as well as associated primers and blank cartridges (including those designed for tools) and propellant powder for use in any firearm, is prohibited from mailing. |
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Posted: 2/2/2011 10:10:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: STJ]
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Originally Posted By srt205:
Some people think they know everything !!
You can ship USPS. Shipped some ammo, box got damage (ammo got stolen probably). It was insured, completed a claim form. Refund issued no problems what so ever. Forms were signed by the Post Master. Hazmat labels are not required on factory ammo either. Anyone who is charging that fee is making an extra $20.00 or what ever they charge. Originally Posted By muddawggin:
Originally Posted By srt205:
You can ship ammo via USPS. Do it all the time. Local PO said you can't ship primers or powder but factory ammo is ok. srt205 Some people's kids...
Straight from the USPS site: Postal Explorer > Publication 52 - Hazardous, Restricted, and Perishable Mail > 3 Hazardous Materials > 34 Mailability by Hazard Class 34 Mailability by Hazard Class 341 Explosives (Hazard Class 1) 341.1 Definition An explosive is any substance or article, including a device, that is designed to function by explosion (an extremely rapid release of gas and heat) or that, by chemical reaction within itself, is able to function in a similar manner even if not designed to function by explosion, unless the substance or article is otherwise classed under the provisions in 49 CFR. Division 1.4 consists of explosives that present a minor blast hazard. Examples are common fireworks, toy caps, empty primed grenades, and some small arms ammunition. 341.21 Nonmailable Explosives Nonmailable explosives found in the mailstream must be immediately reported in accordance with POM 139.117. Nonmailable explosives include, but are not limited to, the following: Small Arms Ammunition. Ammunition is classified as a Division 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, or 1.4 explosive, depending on the degree of hazard. Ammunition that is regulated as a Class 1 explosive and designed to be fired from a pistol, revolver, rifle, or shotgun, as well as associated primers and blank cartridges (including those designed for tools) and propellant powder for use in any firearm, is prohibited from mailing. The USPS does not say ALL small arms ammunition cannot be shipped...It says SOME. http://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c3_016.htm Ammunition that is regulated as a Class 1 explosive and designed to be fired from a pistol, revolver, rifle, or shotgun, as well as associated primers and blank cartridges (including those designed for tools) and propellant powder for use in any firearm, is prohibited from mailing. 'Regular' ammunition (brass case, smokeless powder, primer inserted into case, lead bullet as an assembled unit) is NOT Class 1 Division 1.4 consists of explosives that present a minor blast hazard. Examples are common fireworks, toy caps, empty primed grenades, and some small arms ammunition Again 'Regular' ammunition (brass case, smokeless powder, primer inserted into case, lead bullet as an assembled unit) is NOT considered division 1.4 if packaged correctly 49 CFR 173.63 - Packaging exceptions.
(b) Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices. (1) Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices (which are used to project fastening devices) which have been classed as a Division 1.4S explosive may be reclassed, offered for transportation, and transported as ORM-D material when packaged in accordance with paragraph (b)(2) of this section; such transportation is excepted from the requirements of subparts E (Labeling) and F (Placarding) of part 172 of this subchapter. Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices that may be shipped as ORM-D material is limited to: (i) Ammunition for rifle, pistol or shotgun; (ii) Ammunition with inert projectiles or blank ammunition; (iii) Ammunition having no tear gas, incendiary, or detonating explosive projectiles; (iv) Ammunition not exceeding 12.7 mm (50 caliber or 0.5 inch) for rifle or pistol, cartridges or 8 gauge for shotshells; and (v) Cartridges, power devices which are used to project fastening devices. (2) Packaging for cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices as ORM-D material must be as follows: (i) Ammunition must be packed in inside boxes, or in partitions which fit snugly in the outside packaging, or in metal clips; (ii) Primers must be protected from accidental initiation; (iii) Inside boxes, partitions or metal clips must be packed in securely-closed strong outside packagings; (iv) Maximum gross weight is limited to 30 kg (66 pounds) per package; and (v) Cartridges, power devices which are used to project fastening devices and 22 caliber rim-fire cartridges may be packaged loose in strong outside packagings. Read more: http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/173-63-packaging-exceptions-19942343#ixzz1CoYcHFHu http://pe.usps.gov/text/dmm300/601.htm#wp1175263 http://pe.usps.gov/text/dmm300/601.htm#wp1175263
10.0 Hazardous Materials 10.1 Definitions The following definitions apply: c. ORM-D (Other Regulated Material) material is a limited quantity of a hazardous material that presents a limited hazard during transportation due to its form, quantity, and packaging. In almost all instances, the proper shipping name for an ORM-D material is consumer commodity. Not all hazardous material permitted to be shipped as a limited quantity can qualify as an ORM-D material. ORM-D materials having the proper shipping name of "consumer commodity" are mailable subject to USPS quantity and packaging standards. d. Consumer commodity is a hazardous material that is packaged and distributed in a quantity and form intended or suitable for retail sale and designed for consumption by individuals for their personal care or household use purposes. This term can also include certain drugs or medicines. Not all hazardous material permitted to be shipped as a limited quantity can qualify as a consumer commodity. 10.3 USPS Standards for Hazardous Material The USPS standards generally restrict the mailing of hazardous materials to ORM-D materials with the proper shipping name of "consumer commodity" that meet USPS quantity limitations and packaging requirements. The grey area... I have received ammo marked ORM-D consumer commodity from bigger ammo suppliers...are they correct? If not why haven't they been notified? If ORM-D consumer commodity is allowed labeling for ammunition, then USPS will allow shipment of said ammo. |
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Posted: 2/7/2011 12:18:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EOD_Guy]
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Originally Posted By STJ:
Originally Posted By srt205:
Some people think they know everything !!
You can ship USPS. Shipped some ammo, box got damage (ammo got stolen probably). It was insured, completed a claim form. Refund issued no problems what so ever. Forms were signed by the Post Master. Hazmat labels are not required on factory ammo either. Anyone who is charging that fee is making an extra $20.00 or what ever they charge. Originally Posted By muddawggin:
Originally Posted By srt205:
You can ship ammo via USPS. Do it all the time. Local PO said you can't ship primers or powder but factory ammo is ok. srt205 Some people's kids...
Straight from the USPS site: Postal Explorer > Publication 52 - Hazardous, Restricted, and Perishable Mail > 3 Hazardous Materials > 34 Mailability by Hazard Class 34 Mailability by Hazard Class 341 Explosives (Hazard Class 1) 341.1 Definition An explosive is any substance or article, including a device, that is designed to function by explosion (an extremely rapid release of gas and heat) or that, by chemical reaction within itself, is able to function in a similar manner even if not designed to function by explosion, unless the substance or article is otherwise classed under the provisions in 49 CFR. Division 1.4 consists of explosives that present a minor blast hazard. Examples are common fireworks, toy caps, empty primed grenades, and some small arms ammunition. 341.21 Nonmailable Explosives Nonmailable explosives found in the mailstream must be immediately reported in accordance with POM 139.117. Nonmailable explosives include, but are not limited to, the following: Small Arms Ammunition. Ammunition is classified as a Division 1.1, 1.2, 1.3, or 1.4 explosive, depending on the degree of hazard. Ammunition that is regulated as a Class 1 explosive and designed to be fired from a pistol, revolver, rifle, or shotgun, as well as associated primers and blank cartridges (including those designed for tools) and propellant powder for use in any firearm, is prohibited from mailing. The USPS does not say ALL small arms ammunition cannot be shipped...It says SOME. http://pe.usps.com/text/pub52/pub52c3_016.htm Ammunition that is regulated as a Class 1 explosive and designed to be fired from a pistol, revolver, rifle, or shotgun, as well as associated primers and blank cartridges (including those designed for tools) and propellant powder for use in any firearm, is prohibited from mailing. 'Regular' ammunition (brass case, smokeless powder, primer inserted into case, lead bullet as an assembled unit) is NOT Class 1 Division 1.4 consists of explosives that present a minor blast hazard. Examples are common fireworks, toy caps, empty primed grenades, and some small arms ammunition Again 'Regular' ammunition (brass case, smokeless powder, primer inserted into case, lead bullet as an assembled unit) is NOT considered division 1.4 if packaged correctly 49 CFR 173.63 - Packaging exceptions.
(b) Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices. (1) Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices (which are used to project fastening devices) which have been classed as a Division 1.4S explosive may be reclassed, offered for transportation, and transported as ORM-D material when packaged in accordance with paragraph (b)(2) of this section; such transportation is excepted from the requirements of subparts E (Labeling) and F (Placarding) of part 172 of this subchapter. Cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices that may be shipped as ORM-D material is limited to: (i) Ammunition for rifle, pistol or shotgun; (ii) Ammunition with inert projectiles or blank ammunition; (iii) Ammunition having no tear gas, incendiary, or detonating explosive projectiles; (iv) Ammunition not exceeding 12.7 mm (50 caliber or 0.5 inch) for rifle or pistol, cartridges or 8 gauge for shotshells; and (v) Cartridges, power devices which are used to project fastening devices. (2) Packaging for cartridges, small arms, and cartridges power devices as ORM-D material must be as follows: (i) Ammunition must be packed in inside boxes, or in partitions which fit snugly in the outside packaging, or in metal clips; (ii) Primers must be protected from accidental initiation; (iii) Inside boxes, partitions or metal clips must be packed in securely-closed strong outside packagings; (iv) Maximum gross weight is limited to 30 kg (66 pounds) per package; and (v) Cartridges, power devices which are used to project fastening devices and 22 caliber rim-fire cartridges may be packaged loose in strong outside packagings. Read more: http://cfr.vlex.com/vid/173-63-packaging-exceptions-19942343#ixzz1CoYcHFHu http://pe.usps.gov/text/dmm300/601.htm#wp1175263 http://pe.usps.gov/text/dmm300/601.htm#wp1175263
10.0 Hazardous Materials 10.1 Definitions The following definitions apply: c. ORM-D (Other Regulated Material) material is a limited quantity of a hazardous material that presents a limited hazard during transportation due to its form, quantity, and packaging. In almost all instances, the proper shipping name for an ORM-D material is consumer commodity. Not all hazardous material permitted to be shipped as a limited quantity can qualify as an ORM-D material. ORM-D materials having the proper shipping name of "consumer commodity" are mailable subject to USPS quantity and packaging standards. d. Consumer commodity is a hazardous material that is packaged and distributed in a quantity and form intended or suitable for retail sale and designed for consumption by individuals for their personal care or household use purposes. This term can also include certain drugs or medicines. Not all hazardous material permitted to be shipped as a limited quantity can qualify as a consumer commodity. 10.3 USPS Standards for Hazardous Material The USPS standards generally restrict the mailing of hazardous materials to ORM-D materials with the proper shipping name of "consumer commodity" that meet USPS quantity limitations and packaging requirements. The grey area... I have received ammo marked ORM-D consumer commodity from bigger ammo suppliers...are they correct? If not why haven't they been notified? If ORM-D consumer commodity is allowed labeling for ammunition, then USPS will allow shipment of said ammo. You are completely wrong on this matter. I have been a certified HAZMAT shipper for well over 20 years and believe I know the regulations as well as anyone. Small arms ammunition (regular ball ammunition) is classed as a Division 1.4S explosive material. It can be reclassed as ORM-D material if packaged as you described above. It is still a hazardous material. Also, it will never be shipped as a consumer commodity. The correct proper shipping name will always be Cartridges Small Arms. Postal regulations prohibit the mailing of any ORM-D material that was reclassed from DOT Hazard Class 1 (explosives) as well as several other hazard classes. If you will check USPS Publication 52, Appendix A, you will see, on page 131 that Cartridges Small Arms ORM-D are prohibited from mailing. Also, you left out the marking requirements for ORM-D materials in your example of the packaging instructions. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 6/18/2011 6:14:26 PM EDT
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Look for smaller regional companies as well. For the upper Midwest, Dakotas, MInnesota, Iowa, Wisonsin, Illinois, Nebraska, check out Spee Dee Delivery. I have had ammo shipped to me through them from Sportsmans guide. I use them at my job, they are fast and the rates beat the hell out of UPS.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 6/26/2011 11:14:26 PM EDT
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Fedex and Fedex ground are totally different rules. ORN-D labels on the corners and ship it ground. Go to FedEx website and create an account don't rely on employees at the shipping centers they will not know as there are very little private parties shipping ammo. Ammo is not hazmat but do yourself a favor and create a free account using a debt or credit card you will thank yourself in the end. BTW I'm a FedEx driver who has a small ammo manufacturer on my route.
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Posted: 7/5/2011 4:38:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mc556:
Fedex and Fedex ground are totally different rules. ORN-D labels on the corners and ship it ground. Go to FedEx website and create an account don't rely on employees at the shipping centers they will not know as there are very little private parties shipping ammo. Ammo is not hazmat but do yourself a favor and create a free account using a debt or credit card you will thank yourself in the end. BTW I'm a FedEx driver who has a small ammo manufacturer on my route. Be careful. Small arms ammunition is a hazardous material and shipment is regulated by the DOT Hazmat regulations in 49CFR. Just because a package may be reclassed to ORM-D, does not remove it from the Hazmat regulations. It just relieves the shipper from parts of the regulation concerning packaging, labeling, and shipping papers. ORM-D is considered a DOT hazard class. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 10/4/2011 4:24:04 PM EDT
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Just a heads up, the ORM-D Classification is being phased out and replaced with a new "Hazardous, Limited Quantities" label.
http://www.ups.com/content/us/en/resources/ship/hazardous/variations.html http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=54456 |
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Posted: 12/29/2011 1:42:24 PM EDT
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What happens to the ammo if someone ships it to you and you never receive it or hear anything about it?
Do they just seize it and collect info or what??? |
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Posted: 3/1/2012 10:12:10 AM EDT
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Just got off of the phone with UPS Hazmat and the ORM-D label is still acceptable and all previous rules are in effect. FYI
Wes |
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Posted: 3/1/2012 2:19:20 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By SETXshooter:
Just got off of the phone with UPS Hazmat and the ORM-D label is still acceptable and all previous rules are in effect. FYI Wes ORM-D is being phased out and will no longer be used after Dec 31, 2013. Many shippers will be switching to the limited quantity provisions and no longer accepting ORM-D earlier in 2013. As you said, it's still OK as of now. |
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Posted: 10/10/2012 4:36:12 PM EDT
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I Freakin hate UPS
I have sold and shipped ammo several times in the past and it seems like every time I drop some off at the UPS Customer Center in Chattanooga, I get at least some BS but I had always been able to convince them to ship it. Today was different. I walked in handed them the box (that was marked with the correct ORMD sticker) and the person said "I can't take this- it doesn't say 'Adult Signature Required". I say, it's not required. She says, I'm not taking it. Since there were several people waiting behind me and she had already said that there were no management people there at the moment, I took the box and left. I went out to my vehicle and called their customer service 800 number and verified that the adult signature was not required. The customer service person said that if they would not take it, to have them call customer service themselves to get the correct information. So I go back in and explain all that and one person says to the other "you'll have to call hazmat". She says "what's the number" I start reading it off my phone since they couldn't find it right away. So she calls hazmat and hazmat immediately transfers her to customer service who tells her that adult signature IS required. So I pick up my box and walk back out to vehicle. Now I am pissed. I call the customer service number AGAIN and explain what is going on. She (the 800# chick) calls hazmat who tells her that it IS NOT required. I ask her if there is some way to compel them to take the package. She asked me to walk inside and hand them my phone so she can talk to them. So I did and they talked and the person gets off the phone and says that there is some management type there now and she will go talk to them. So after about 15 freaking more minutes she comes out and says "We can ship it". I have to admit a little satisfaction from sticking with it and convincing them in the end but damn!!! 
I think I will just shoot all my ammo from now on whether I want to or not! 
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Posted: 12/1/2012 4:54:52 PM EDT
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I did what was recommended above.....
Created a Fed-Ex account, completed the shipment online and scheduled a pickup. Worked great so far. |
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Posted: 1/2/2013 3:35:56 PM EDT
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FedEx is definitely the way to go as outlined in this thread, set-up the online account and schedule a pick up, be honest and click on ormd materials when you edit the shipping info and print the ormd labels and fix to your package, with the online account you get a 8% discount on shipping also, I recently shipped 500 rounds of 223 from Ohio to Washington ground with pick up for $23. Simple and fast and most of all no bullshit while at the UPS counter
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Posted: 1/9/2013 5:24:24 PM EDT
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Just shipped some ammo using UPS with the new symbols. No issues, but he didn't ask what was in it.
Made it look professional and viola.. no problems. |
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Posted: 1/28/2013 9:13:05 AM EDT
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If I request a pickup by the UPS driver, does UPS charge you extra?
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Posted: 1/28/2013 9:53:38 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By elderboy02:
If I request a pickup by the UPS driver, does UPS charge you extra? Yes. I think it's ~$8 for a residential address. Note that you can just hand it to the driver if he's dropping something else off already. If I know I have something coming UPS (usu. from Amazon), I just set the box on the porch with a note saying "UPS pickup" in large letter and it magically gets sent on its way. |
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Posted: 1/29/2013 4:03:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Ryo]
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Personally I wouldn't just and the UPS guy a box. Things could disappear that way. I'd bring it down to the distribution center, but that's me.
Also as mentioned, they do charge for pickup unless they are dropping something off, or you have a good relationship with your driver. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 2/2/2013 9:25:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Finnbear]
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Originally Posted By ar_scooter1:
I have learned more about shipping small arms ammunition via FEDEX than I would like know. I too had multiple answers from multiple people. Here is the poop. FED-EX will ship small arms ammunition via ground only if you have an account, have the ORM-D /small arms ammunition label affixed, appropriate box ratings(I've learned more about cardboard than I would like to know, see ratings below),can not be a FED-EX box. I'm shipping out today, I'll see how it goes..... One more thing, it can only be shipped to a state that allows it. FedEx Ground requires Fiberboard “Non-Specification Packaging” or “Strong Outer Packaging” to meet the following requirements: o For packages weighing up to 20 lbs. the outer package minimum requirements will be a 200 lb. Bursting test or 32 Edge Crush test package. o For packages weighing 21-50 lbs. a 250 lb. Bursting test or 44 Edge Crush test will be required. o For packages weighing 51-70 lbs. the outer container must be 275 lb. Bursting test or 55 Edge Crush test. On most corrugated boxes, that info is on a label stamped on (usually) the bottom of the box. It identifies the corrugated construction. 
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Posted: 2/27/2013 1:45:55 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Chairman:
Originally Posted By elderboy02:
If I request a pickup by the UPS driver, does UPS charge you extra? Yes. I think it's ~$8 for a residential address. Note that you can just hand it to the driver if he's dropping something else off already. If I know I have something coming UPS (usu. from Amazon), I just set the box on the porch with a note saying "UPS pickup" in large letter and it magically gets sent on its way. I've been doing the same thing with good success. Sometimes I have to schedule a pickup, but I take advantage of any incoming UPS packages and stick my outgoing on the porch with a note to make sure it gets noticed. I'm using the new symbol and it seems to work great. We have great UPS drivers here. One of them told me they are shipping an unbelievable amount of ammo right now. |
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Posted: 3/14/2013 3:55:32 PM EDT
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I just shipped ammo from a UPS Customer Center yesterday in FL. No issues at all. They put the ORM-D Stickers on for me.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/6/2013 7:42:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Krackels]
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It might be a good idea to start labeling boxes with both the ORD-M and Limited Quanity labels.
They're phasing out the ORD-M label and going to the international standard of Limited Quanity label. This site (http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2012/03/diamond-labels-will-replace-orm-d-labels-on-ammo-shipments/) has a short post talking about it as well as a link for a PDF to download the limited quanity labels. I work at a shipper and I'm seeing a lot of packages labeled with the ORD-M and Limited Quanity diamond. |
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Posted: 4/8/2013 4:24:16 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Krackels:
It might be a good idea to start labeling boxes with both the ORD-M and Limited Quanity labels. They're phasing out the ORD-M label and going to the international standard of Limited Quanity label. This site (http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2012/03/diamond-labels-will-replace-orm-d-labels-on-ammo-shipments/) has a short post talking about it as well as a link for a PDF to download the limited quanity labels. I work at a shipper and I'm seeing a lot of packages labeled with the ORD-M and Limited Quanity diamond. Diamond should be good enough. I've shipped a few boxes just with the diamond and haven't had a issue. Also received a package the same way with just the diamond. |
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Posted: 4/23/2013 11:54:50 AM EDT
[#24]
Went to ship some ammo At FedEx... Same properly marked box, same ammo I got from an individual 3 weeks ago.
Refused to ship saying I needed my proper HAZ MAT cert?? What gives? |
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Posted: 4/27/2013 5:12:36 PM EDT
[#25]
Originally Posted By TACTICAL:
Went to ship some ammo At FedEx... Same properly marked box, same ammo I got from an individual 3 weeks ago. Refused to ship saying I needed my proper HAZ MAT cert?? What gives? Fedex GROUND? Maybe just take it to a UPS hub? |
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Posted: 4/27/2013 10:46:33 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By palmer: Originally Posted By TACTICAL: Went to ship some ammo At FedEx... Same properly marked box, same ammo I got from an individual 3 weeks ago. Refused to ship saying I needed my proper HAZ MAT cert?? What gives? Fedex GROUND? Maybe just take it to a UPS hub? UPS hub took it no issues. All they cared was it was marked and boxed properly  |
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Posted: 6/3/2013 5:37:55 PM EDT
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I just shipped from a UPS hub right here in my town. Took it no issues. It already had the ORM-D markings on it, but she put the new black and white stickers on it as well. Very nice lady. Even gave me a bunch of the stickers in case I need to ship more another time.
 She said they ship ammo all the time. I love it when things go smoothly!
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Posted: 7/10/2013 9:52:13 PM EDT
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I discovered you can mail a rifle if you are sending it to an FFL. The postmaster was happy to send it after checking his rule book. And, like checked luggage on an aircraft, a "steal me" firearms outside tag is not required.
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Posted: 10/27/2014 9:57:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: itchytrigger]
[#29]
My recent Fed Ex ammo shipping experience:
1. Use my existing Fed Ex internet account to generate a 54# shipment. (I have no Hazmat training or cert.) 2. Check the ORM box on the online form. 3. Print the label and attach it along with an "ORM-D Small Arms Cartridges" sticker. 4. Fed Ex comes by my house and picks it up. 5. Done. ETA: Box was delivered without any issues.
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KS, USA
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Posted: 4/3/2015 11:21:15 AM EDT
[#30]
Anyone ever shipped an ammo can without putting it in a box or packaging? Just slap an address label on the side?
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NM, USA
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Posted: 12/13/2019 3:07:07 PM EDT
[#31]
Originally Posted By brillo:
Summary:U.S. Postal Service (USPS) - Shipping ammo is prohibited.United Parcel Service (UPS) - Shipping ammo permitted with packaging/weight/labeling qualifications.Federal Express (FedEx) - Shipping ammo generally prohibited unless HazMat certified. Details: U.S. Postal Service (USPS): Shipping of Ammunition is ProhibitedAmmunition (Cartridges, small arms) is a nonmailable hazardous material. "Under no circumstances may any nonmailable hazardous material, restricted matter, or perishable matter be deposited for mailing."Cartridges, small arms - United Parcel Service (UPS):1. Pack ammo within a sturdy cardboard box, gross weight limit of 66 pounds.2. Print ORM-D label, cut out and tape to a least one side of box.3. Take package to a only - NOT at Drop-Off Box, The UPS Store, Mail Boxes etc., Sonic. Might be a good idea to have the UPS Hazardous Material Support Center number with you -- 800-554-9964. Varied success with UPS pick-up at your location.Per UPS:UPS accepts domestic ground shipments of ammunition that have been classified by the shipper as "Cartridges, small arms", "ORM-D" (Other Regulated Material). The package must be properly marked according to the requirements of Title 49 of the Code of Federal Regulations (49 CFR). Contact the Hazardous Material Support Center at 800-554-9964 for details on regulatory information. Federal Express (FedEx):Per FedEx, 10/26/2006:HazMat Training is required to qualify to ship all Hazardous Materials. Ammunition is a Hazardous Material. No Drop-Off, package must be picked up by FedEx. See . Additional shipping information and procedures at . Label meets requirements of .
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/21/2020 10:51:44 AM EDT
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Probably a REALLY stupid question, but does “prohibited” mean “illegal”?
If so, if someone, unknowingly to me, send ammo through USPS, am I obligated to refuse to accept the package? If the seller sends through USPS and the package gets found out, will they actually arrest the sender, and possibly the buyer? |
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Posted: 10/4/2020 2:57:53 PM EDT
[#33]
The ORM-D labels are being phased out. They will only be valid until December 31, 2020. After that, the limited quantity label will be required per DOT.
I recommend editing the original post to avoid any confusion. Here's the latest from UPS. |
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Posted: 10/21/2020 8:56:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hazmat401]
[#34]
I think I can be insightful on why there’s so much nuances when it comes to the post office and shipping ammo
I used to work for US Airways now American Airlines in the Philadelphia region.... we handled a lot of USPS priority mail and the like Think about it.... what Freight planes does USPS own? The post office sub contracts all the airlines to move their express Mail and even the ground Mail... whatever their logistics call for at the time When it comes to USPS.... always declare what your shipping because when I said the post office ship their mail on the airlines.... it means your 1000 rounds of .556 that you just sold for $800 bucks is under the first class section of an Airbus A321T on its way to Hawaii or the 500 rounds of .40 you made a killing on is under the lavatory of a Southwest 737-800 on its way to Phoenix Declare what you’re shipping! My advice.... Ship GROUND via FedEx or UPS and save yourself the hassles |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 1/11/2021 10:52:16 AM EDT
[#35]
New Info/Label on Shipping Small Arms Ammunition-
https://www.ups.com/us/en/help-center/packaging-and-supplies/special-care-shipments/hazardous-materials/shipping-ammunition.page How to Package Cartridges, Small Arms Ammunition must be packed in inside boxes, partitioned within a snugly fitting outside box or in metal clips. Cartridges must be properly cushioned and protected from accidental initiation. The inside boxes, partitions or metal clips must be packaged in securely closed outside packaging that will not open during transit. The package may not exceed 66 lb. (30 kg). Is a Hazardous Materials Label or Marking Required? Yes, qualified packages that meet the definition of Cartridges, small arms must be marked with the Limited Quantity black and white marking when shipped by UPS Ground within the 48 contiguous states, UPS Ground Intra-Oahu and Intra-Alaska. Shipping papers are not required. The Limited Quantity marking (approximately 4 X 4 inches) must be securely affixed to your package and placed on package as a "square on point" or "diamond". Getting the Package to UPS Cartridges, small arms may be shipped only through a UPS Scheduled Pickup Account using various UPS pickup services , or through a UPS Customer Center (counters at UPS operational facilities). Note: Cartridges, small arms are not accepted for shipment via UPS Drop Boxes, and may not be tendered to or dropped off at locations of The UPS Store® or any third party retailer or UPS Access Point™ location. When shipping Limited Quantities of hazardous materials by UPS Ground within the 48 contiguous states, UPS Ground Intra-Oahu or Intra-Alaska, only the standard shipping charges apply. There are no "accessorial" or additional charges. |
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Posted: 1/14/2021 6:24:15 PM EDT
[#36]
Can you use the new UPS flat rate option for shipping ammo?
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FL, USA
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Posted: 1/23/2021 9:52:04 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: Can you use the new UPS flat rate option for shipping ammo? Sure can, it's called "Simple Rate" I have been doing it since November Cannot exceed #50lbs and price is based on box size. Great deal!! |
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Posted: 3/11/2021 5:41:57 PM EDT
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MN, USA
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Posted: 1/14/2023 3:29:22 AM EDT
[#39]
This is some excellent info!
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KS, USA
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Posted: 2/1/2023 7:35:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bc5000]
[#40]
Anyone know where Limited Quantity labels can be printed?
ETA: I gave up on trying to find any so I make them with a can of spray paint. UPS says they need to be approx 4". My UPS hub had a couple for my boxes that were well under 4", so from then on I just cut them to size so they fit on the box. |
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Posted: 8/18/2023 12:54:53 PM EDT
[#41]
I used the UPS simple rate to ship about 20 pounds of ammo. Could have fit more in the box but was worried about the strength of the box. Cost me about $18 to ship. I used diamond lard from Amazon. Listed the contents online as “cartridges, small arms” and printed the shipping label at home. Dropped it off at the UPS Customer Center. They scanned it in, gave me a receipt and did not ask any questions.
Easier than expected |
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Posted: 10/17/2023 4:53:07 PM EDT
[#42]
Gentlemen, I am looking to ship ammo and can't figure shipping cost to a buyers'
zip code. Can anyone help me out? Thanks. |
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Posted: 10/17/2023 5:42:40 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Albob: Gentlemen, I am looking to ship ammo and can't figure shipping cost to a buyers' zip code. Can anyone help me out? Thanks. Use UPS one rate and the price is based on box size |
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Posted: 10/17/2023 5:45:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: WILSON]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StevenH: Use UPS one rate and the price is based on box size  www.ups.com/support/shipping-costs-rates/flat-rate-shipping.page |
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Posted: 10/26/2023 6:57:32 PM EDT
[#45]
I also just shipped ammo via UPS "one rate" with a medium size box properly labeled and dropped it off at the hub telling the customer service person it was small arms ammo with no issues at all.
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Posted: 10/27/2023 1:02:50 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gun-Nut: I also just shipped ammo via UPS "one rate" with a medium size box properly labeled and dropped it off at the hub telling the customer service person it was small arms ammo with no issues at all. I declare it online when Making the shipping label them just drop it off. Never been a problem |
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