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Posted: 5/8/2024 8:00:06 PM EDT
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is at odds with state officials and the dairy industry over its on-the-ground response to the avian flu outbreak spreading among dairy cows, complicating President Joe Biden's efforts to track and contain a virus that has the potential to sicken millions of people. Many farmers don't want federal health officials on their property. State agriculture officials worry the federal response is sidelining animal health experts at the Agriculture Department, and also that some potential federal interventions threaten to hinder state and local health officials rushing to respond to the outbreaks. "It's overreach. They don't need to do that. They need to back off," Texas Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller, a former rodeo cowboy who is a possible pick to lead the USDA if former President Donald Trump wins the presidential election, said in an interview. Texas, the first state where the bird flu virus was detected, has not invited the CDC to conduct epidemiological field studies there, even though its health department is open to the research, because, "We haven't found a dairy farm that is interested in participating," said Lara Anton, a spokesperson for the Texas Department of State Health Services. The resistance of dairy farmers is emblematic of the trust gap between key agriculture players in both red and blue states and federal health officials one that public health experts fear could hamper the nation's ability to head off the virus' threat to humans. "The risk here of something going from one or two sporadic [human] cases to becoming something of international concern, it's not insignificant," CDC Principal Deputy Director Nirav Shah said at a recent Council on Foreign Relations event. "We've all seen how a virus can spread around the globe before public health has even had a chance to get its shoes on," Shah added. "That's a risk and one that we have to be mindful of." View Quote |
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I'm not sure I understand the rationale for this. If we ever are in danger of a real pandemic, the most important thing is to track it as early as possible. The longer it goes untracked the less chance you have of keeping it under control. Why would anybody not want this to happen?
ETA: I get distrust of the feds, I lived through Covid just like everybody else here, and no--never got vaxxed, never will. But testing and tracking is independent of the questions of what to do when it's detected. We can have that conversation without choosing willful ignorance. |
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Originally Posted By CMiller: I'm not sure I understand the rationale for this. If we ever are in danger of a real pandemic, the most important thing is to track it as early as possible. The longer it goes untracked the less chance you have of keeping it under control. Why would anybody not want this to happen? View Quote Lol why would anyone mistrust the government? See I can ask retarded questions too. Stick to the TDS threads it's more your speed. |
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It's spread by migratory birds.
There is no stopping it now. How did it get here is the only question.... |
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There's a fine line that needs to be towed. The government does have some responsibility to at least know what is going on and try to make a plan to mitigate it before entire sectors of the economy get wiped out.
They can't really do that without inspections of some kind. |
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Originally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is at odds with state officials and the dairy industry over its on-the-ground response to the avian flu outbreak spreading among dairy cows, complicating President Joe Biden's efforts to track and contain a virus that has the potential to sicken millions of people. Many farmers don't want federal health officials on their property. State agriculture officials worry the federal response is sidelining animal health experts at the Agriculture Department, and also that some potential federal interventions threaten to hinder state and local health officials rushing to respond to the outbreaks. "It's overreach. They don't need to do that. They need to back off," Texas Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller, a former rodeo cowboy who is a possible pick to lead the USDA if former President Donald Trump wins the presidential election, said in an interview. Texas, the first state where the bird flu virus was detected, has not invited the CDC to conduct epidemiological field studies there, even though its health department is open to the research, because, "We haven't found a dairy farm that is interested in participating," said Lara Anton, a spokesperson for the Texas Department of State Health Services. The resistance of dairy farmers is emblematic of the trust gap between key agriculture players in both red and blue states and federal health officials one that public health experts fear could hamper the nation's ability to head off the virus' threat to humans. "The risk here of something going from one or two sporadic [human] cases to becoming something of international concern, it's not insignificant," CDC Principal Deputy Director Nirav Shah said at a recent Council on Foreign Relations event. "We've all seen how a virus can spread around the globe before public health has even had a chance to get its shoes on," Shah added. "That's a risk and one that we have to be mindful of." View Quote View Quote No one trusts the federal government on any topic related to infectious diseases. Full stop. Maybe don’t lie and manipulate the population next time around. |
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Originally Posted By CMiller: I'm not sure I understand the rationale for this. If we ever are in danger of a real pandemic, the most important thing is to track it as early as possible. The longer it goes untracked the less chance you have of keeping it under control. Why would anybody not want this to happen? View Quote Jesus Christ dude...that is all. |
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Originally Posted By sitdwnandhngon: There's a fine line that needs to be towed. The government does have some responsibility to at least know what is going on and try to make a plan to mitigate it before entire sectors of the economy get wiped out. They can't really do that without inspections of some kind. View Quote Any information the federal government gathers is so steeped in politics as to be useless. |
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"If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, give it Narcan." ~ AverageJoe365
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Originally Posted By CMiller: I'm not sure I understand the rationale for this. If we ever are in danger of a real pandemic, the most important thing is to track it as early as possible. The longer it goes untracked the less chance you have of keeping it under control. Why would anybody not want this to happen? View Quote Go get another booster. |
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Fuck the government.
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Lock. It. Down.
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Originally Posted By CMiller: I'm not sure I understand the rationale for this. If we ever are in danger of a real pandemic, the most important thing is to track it as early as possible. The longer it goes untracked the less chance you have of keeping it under control. Why would anybody not want this to happen? View Quote One word. "Fauchi" |
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lol the writing is on the wall
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Purposeful destruction of our food supply.
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Originally Posted By Need4Guns: Lock. It. Down. It's a selection year. View Quote Die Hard - Shut it down now |
I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the colour of their skin but by the content of their shitpoast. - sierra-def
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Originally Posted By CMiller: I'm not sure I understand the rationale for this. If we ever are in danger of a real pandemic, the most important thing is to track it as early as possible. The longer it goes untracked the less chance you have of keeping it under control. Why would anybody not want this to happen? View Quote Sure you can check my herd thats perfectly healthy. Gov- we found avian flu. We will be back tomorrow to eradicate them 6 months later Gov- turns out our tests were faulty 2 years later Gov- now that we have eradicated all cows and everyone is eating crickets we have found that avian flu doesnt pose the risk we initially though. Unfortunately the cricket flu is making us switch everyone to meal worms |
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Originally Posted By CMiller: I'm not sure I understand the rationale for this. If we ever are in danger of a real pandemic, the most important thing is to track it as early as possible. The longer it goes untracked the less chance you have of keeping it under control. Why would anybody not want this to happen? View Quote Government is the source of all good. They have only improved what they touch and kept the citizens safe and sovereignty intact. They have only kept citizens safe and healthy. Never have they sacrificed citizen health or rights for political purpose and power. If only I could double ignore users. |
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Who would trust the government to do the right thing at this point.
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Originally Posted By tveddy: Sure you can check my herd thats perfectly healthy. Gov- we found avian flu. We will be back tomorrow to eradicate them 6 months later Gov- turns out our tests were faulty 2 years later Gov- now that we have eradicated all cows and everyone is eating crickets we have found that avian flu doesnt pose the risk we initially though. Unfortunately the cricket flu is making us switch everyone to meal worms View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By tveddy: Originally Posted By CMiller: I'm not sure I understand the rationale for this. If we ever are in danger of a real pandemic, the most important thing is to track it as early as possible. The longer it goes untracked the less chance you have of keeping it under control. Why would anybody not want this to happen? Sure you can check my herd thats perfectly healthy. Gov- we found avian flu. We will be back tomorrow to eradicate them 6 months later Gov- turns out our tests were faulty 2 years later Gov- now that we have eradicated all cows and everyone is eating crickets we have found that avian flu doesnt pose the risk we initially though. Unfortunately the cricket flu is making us switch everyone to meal worms Has the government been euthanizing sick herds? |
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Originally Posted By chronium76: Lol why would anyone mistrust the government? See I can ask retarded questions too. Stick to the TDS threads it's more your speed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By chronium76: Originally Posted By CMiller: I'm not sure I understand the rationale for this. If we ever are in danger of a real pandemic, the most important thing is to track it as early as possible. The longer it goes untracked the less chance you have of keeping it under control. Why would anybody not want this to happen? Lol why would anyone mistrust the government? See I can ask retarded questions too. Stick to the TDS threads it's more your speed. 🤣🤣🤣 |
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Originally Posted By CMiller: I'm not sure I understand the rationale for this. If we ever are in danger of a real pandemic, the most important thing is to track it as early as possible. The longer it goes untracked the less chance you have of keeping it under control. Why would anybody not want this to happen? View Quote It's clear you aren't familiar with the fed tactic of whole herd or whole flock depopulation. Indemnities are woefully inadequate to compensate producers for losses. |
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The Boy Who Cried Wolf comes to mind for this latest "health emergency". I like Sergei Prokofiev's version.
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Originally Posted By C-4: No one trusts the federal government on any topic related to infectious diseases. Full stop. Maybe don’t lie and manipulate the population next time around. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By C-4: Originally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is at odds with state officials and the dairy industry over its on-the-ground response to the avian flu outbreak spreading among dairy cows, complicating President Joe Biden's efforts to track and contain a virus that has the potential to sicken millions of people. Many farmers don't want federal health officials on their property. State agriculture officials worry the federal response is sidelining animal health experts at the Agriculture Department, and also that some potential federal interventions threaten to hinder state and local health officials rushing to respond to the outbreaks. "It's overreach. They don't need to do that. They need to back off," Texas Agriculture Commissioner Sid Miller, a former rodeo cowboy who is a possible pick to lead the USDA if former President Donald Trump wins the presidential election, said in an interview. Texas, the first state where the bird flu virus was detected, has not invited the CDC to conduct epidemiological field studies there, even though its health department is open to the research, because, "We haven't found a dairy farm that is interested in participating," said Lara Anton, a spokesperson for the Texas Department of State Health Services. The resistance of dairy farmers is emblematic of the trust gap between key agriculture players in both red and blue states and federal health officials one that public health experts fear could hamper the nation's ability to head off the virus' threat to humans. "The risk here of something going from one or two sporadic [human] cases to becoming something of international concern, it's not insignificant," CDC Principal Deputy Director Nirav Shah said at a recent Council on Foreign Relations event. "We've all seen how a virus can spread around the globe before public health has even had a chance to get its shoes on," Shah added. "That's a risk and one that we have to be mindful of." No one trusts the federal government on any topic related to infectious diseases. Full stop. Maybe don’t lie and manipulate the population next time around. This |
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Originally Posted By sitdwnandhngon: Has the government been euthanizing sick herds? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By sitdwnandhngon: Originally Posted By tveddy: Originally Posted By CMiller: I'm not sure I understand the rationale for this. If we ever are in danger of a real pandemic, the most important thing is to track it as early as possible. The longer it goes untracked the less chance you have of keeping it under control. Why would anybody not want this to happen? Sure you can check my herd thats perfectly healthy. Gov- we found avian flu. We will be back tomorrow to eradicate them 6 months later Gov- turns out our tests were faulty 2 years later Gov- now that we have eradicated all cows and everyone is eating crickets we have found that avian flu doesnt pose the risk we initially though. Unfortunately the cricket flu is making us switch everyone to meal worms Has the government been euthanizing sick herds? Seriously? Government orders "depopulation" of livestock on a regular basis. Do you know how a farmer "euthanizes" a henhouse with 100K chickens in it? They run them through a wood chipper. |
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Originally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: The resistance of dairy farmers is emblematic of the trust gap between key agriculture players in both red and blue states and federal health officials one that public health experts fear could hamper the nation's ability to head off the virus' threat to humans. View Quote Oh gee I wonder why. |
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As if biden has a response to bird flu. Fucker can't even read a teleprompter or walk across the lawn.
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Originally Posted By Glock63: Go ahead and show me proof of this. I've been in ag my whole life and this is absloute bullshit lies. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Glock63: Originally Posted By Orion_Shall_Rise: Well in dairy herds.. it may be spread by feeding poultry litter... ie they literally feed chicken shit to cows... Go ahead and show me proof of this. I've been in ag my whole life and this is absloute bullshit lies. What? It's the absolute truth. And I've only been watching my FIL raise a herd for the last 12 years. You don't know this happens? Really? |
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Originally Posted By CMiller: I'm not sure I understand the rationale for this. If we ever are in danger of a real pandemic, the most important thing is to track it as early as possible. The longer it goes untracked the less chance you have of keeping it under control. Why would anybody not want this to happen? View Quote Found one!!!!!.jpg |
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Originally Posted By CMiller: I'm not sure I understand the rationale for this. If we ever are in danger of a real pandemic, the most important thing is to track it as early as possible. The longer it goes untracked the less chance you have of keeping it under control. Why would anybody not want this to happen? View Quote |
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They should just make the cows wear a mask.
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Originally Posted By CMiller: I'm not sure I understand the rationale for this. If we ever are in danger of a real pandemic, the most important thing is to track it as early as possible. The longer it goes untracked the less chance you have of keeping it under control. Why would anybody not want this to happen? View Quote Ask DOW? We had dead snow geese all over this winter, yes they had the bird flu. Surprised the bald eagles lived through it as they are white headed vultures on dead geese. |
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Originally Posted By sitdwnandhngon: There's a fine line that needs to be towed. The government does have some responsibility to at least know what is going on and try to make a plan to mitigate it before entire sectors of the economy get wiped out. They can't really do that without inspections of some kind. View Quote The federal government is incompetent, dishonest and biased to the last man. They have an agenda that they will push at all costs to the American public. They cannot be trusted with the simplest task. |
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As a farmer you don't want the USDA anywhere near your property. My family went through similar horseshit when they discovered some fatal airborne bug that killed citrus trees. They would come in test the trees for this disease and mail you $25 for each tree that they cut down. Now a rational person goes, well how fatal is this tree disease? Oh about, 20 -25 years. And how does this disease migrate? Oh, a bug bites into an infected tree and now spreads it to uninfected trees.
So let me get this straight, you want me to topple trees that are mature and productive, have me accept a $25 per tree replacement value that is underwhelming because even a crippled tree makes at least $800 in a season. And have me start at zero for at least 5 years while I nurture this young tree, just to have you come back years later and tag the new tree, and in shoots and ladder style send me back to square one with no profit, only loss, go fuck yourself! |
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Originally Posted By CMiller: I'm not sure I understand the rationale for this. If we ever are in danger of a real pandemic, the most important thing is to track it as early as possible. The longer it goes untracked the less chance you have of keeping it under control. Why would anybody not want this to happen? ETA: I get distrust of the feds, I lived through Covid just like everybody else here, and no--never got vaxxed, never will. But testing and tracking is independent of the questions of what to do when it's detected. We can have that conversation without choosing willful ignorance. View Quote Try this: Why does the federal government need to get involved? There's a state equivalent that's perfectly capable. Hell, there are county health departments for a reason, and it's not just WIC and STD testing. |
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Originally Posted By tveddy: Sure you can check my herd thats perfectly healthy. Gov- we found avian flu. We will be back tomorrow to eradicate them 6 months later Gov- turns out our tests were faulty 2 years later Gov- now that we have eradicated all cows and everyone is eating crickets we have found that avian flu doesnt pose the risk we initially though. Unfortunately the cricket flu is making us switch everyone to meal worms View Quote Originally Posted By RTX: It's clear you aren't familiar with the fed tactic of whole herd or whole flock depopulation. Indemnities are woefully inadequate to compensate producers for losses. View Quote I get that. Is quarantine an option? Are animals all dying or do they recover? I'm sure they want to keep it out of the food supply, are they testing at the packing plants? Just seems like there ought to be a way to figure out a good solution that works for everybody, our only choices shouldn't be "do nothing and see what happens" or "feds ruin everything". If nothing else, don't we want to prevent it spreading to other herds? I'd rather not see beef prices go up, we eat a lot of it! ETA: from some quick Googling, it says it's killing the small mammals but cows are mostly not showing symptoms. |
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We’re all dead here in Iowa. Sorry you missed the memo.
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Originally Posted By anymanusa: What? It's the absolute truth. And I've only been watching my FIL raise a herd for the last 12 years. You don't know this happens? Really? View Quote Ive never seen nor heard of this in my area. Poultry litter is extensively spread for fertilizer here, and cattle get very strict diets, especially the dairy animals. I cannot fathom feeding my cattle poultry excrement and wood shavings. Why? Theres zero nuttitional value, and the nitrates could be potentially lethal. This is absolutely new to me, and we sell alfalfa and high quality hay to dairy and cattle operations in ND, SD, MN, and WI. |
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