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Posted: 5/20/2024 12:28:12 AM EDT
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An Injunction at the Last Minute to Stop ATF's Rule on Private Gun Sales
May 19, 2024 | Press Release Attorney General Ken Paxton Secures Temporary Restraining Order Against Biden Administration, Stopping Unlawful ATF Rule from Taking Effect Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton has secured a temporary restraining order from a federal judge that prevents an unlawful rule promulgated by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (“ATF”) from taking effect while the case is litigated. On May 1, Attorney General Paxton led a coalition suing the ATF to prevent a new regulatory restriction that unlawfully attempted to abridge Americans’ constitutional right to privately buy and sell firearms. The Final Rule was arbitrary and capricious and flagrantly violated the Second Amendment. Despite Congress having recognized the legality of private firearms sales by non-dealers, the Biden Administration issued a new regulation that would subject hundreds of thousands of law-abiding gun owners to presumptions of criminal guilt for engaging in constitutionally protected activities. A federal district court has halted the implementation of the ATF rule until June 2, 2024, so that hearings may be held. “I am relieved that we were able to secure a restraining order that will prevent this illegal rule from taking effect,” said Attorney General Paxton. “The Biden Administration cannot unilaterally overturn Americans’ constitutional rights and nullify the Second Amendment.” The restraining order explained that Texas and the co-plaintiffs, “understandably fear that these presumptions will trigger civil or criminal penalties for conduct deemed lawful just yesterday. Nevertheless, ATF avers that its ‘knowledge of existing case law’ and ‘subject-matter expertise’ will prevent misuse or abuse of the presumption.… in other words, ‘just trust us.’ … For the forgoing reasons, Plaintiffs are substantially likely to succeed on the merits.” https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/news/releases/attorney-general-ken-paxton-secures-temporary-restraining-order-against-biden-administration |
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Obsessed with Ukraine much, OP? |
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Good.
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USMC 85-'93 Amphibious YAT-YAS
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Without all the legal jumbo jumbo, what does it mean?
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So only applies to Texans, GOA, GOF, VCDL, & TFA members ?
No nra as they must have their head up their ass. I understand the parties of the challenge get the injunction applied to, but seems kind of stupid to exclude the rest of the citizenry. |
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Originally Posted By AR18: Business as is until the next ruling providing you are in the groups as a member that are suing the ATFE. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Plaintiffs understandably fear that these presumptions will trigger civil or criminal
penalties for conduct deemed lawful just yesterday. Nevertheless, ATF avers that its “knowledge of existing case law” and “subject-matter expertise” will prevent misuse or abuse of the presumptions. 89 Fed. Reg. at 28975. In other words, “just trust us.” But “[p]resumptions, especially in administrative proceedings that may generate institution-destroying liability, cannot be a matter of Department ipse dixit.” Career Colleges & Sch. of Tex. v. U.S. Dep’t of Educ., 98 F.4th 220, 251 (5th Cir. 2024). For the foregoing reasons, Plaintiffs are substantially likely to succeed on the merits of their APA claims. As such, further analysis of their other claims — including their constitutional ones — is unnecessary at this time. That, is excellent! |
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The devil's got my number.
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Fuck the gAyTF!
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of existing case law” and “subject-matter expertise” will prevent misuse or abuse of the presumptions. 89 Fed. Reg. at 28975. In other words, “just trust us.” But “[p]resumptions, especially in administrative proceedings that may generate institution-destroying liability, cannot be a matter of Department ipse dixit.” That was nearly verbatim the argument the DOJ made before the SC in the Trump declas hearing. Just trust us, we are good guys. |
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The devil's got my number.
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I fully expect that the ATF drew this up primarily because the current administration told them to. And I fully doubt that they did it under any shadow of duress...
But they had to know that this suit would be coming close on its heels and that there would be a small chance that they would succeed in keeping this new rule in place. So I have to wonder what their expected (or even best case) end goal was? I somewhat expect that the ATF was asking for the moon and hoping that SCOTUS would leave them with a ruling that would take it all back but end up defining what they might be able to get away with on the next round. |
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Well its a start but we need a permanent one.
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Democratic party=new communist party
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keep an eye on it
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Originally Posted By Ronin76: I fully expect that the ATF drew this up primarily because the current administration told them to. And I fully doubt that they did it under any shadow of duress... But they had to know that this suit would be coming close on its heels and that there would be a small chance that they would succeed in keeping this new rule in place. So I have to wonder what their expected (or even best case) end goal was? I somewhat expect that the ATF was asking for the moon and hoping that SCOTUS would leave them with a ruling that would take it all back but end up defining what they might be able to get away with on the next round. View Quote I think the ATFs “end goal” here was following orders from the boss. It’s an election year and Biden is trying to pad his resume. Doesn’t matter if something like this gets an injunction against enforcement now, or completely struck down a year from now. Biden gets a “see, I fight the gun lovers” soundbite and that’s where the logic stops. |
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They (ATF) keep trying to expand their authority and the courts keep knocking them down.
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Bro, I stayed in the Marines for 26 years and been to cola warrior like 10 times, I'm all about bad decisions. -HDLS
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Originally Posted By TrainSafe: They (ATF) keep trying to expand their authority and the courts keep knocking them down. View Quote |
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Our taxpayer dollars funding an agency attempting to subvert our rights
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Originally Posted By TheLASwamp: They know they have to keep chipping away at the 2A until it's gone. UN Agenda 2030 is fast approaching and the global interests who are actually pulling the strings need Americans to be disarmed in preparation for what the agenda has planned for we the people. The ATF has gone rogue, as have all of the other three letter agencies, and now operates as an arm of the DNC. View Quote NRA is a 3 letter ASSociation |
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it is for less than a month. The ATF under Biden will appeal this. Hopefully that means it will go up the court system and eventually lose, applying to everyone else, forever.
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If I edited the post above it's more than likely because I suck at typing. If I didn't, I was either in too big of a hurry or just missed it.
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If you aren't a part of GOA you should be. Membership can be had for as little as $10.
These dudes fight. |
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"According to Argonne National Laboratory, it takes 100 pounds of battery in an EV to go a distance achieved by only one pound of gasoline in an ICE vehicle"
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I gave the GOA a large donation earlier this year - glad I did.
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Originally Posted By ApacheScout: Without all the legal jumbo jumbo, what does it mean? View Quote If the FBATF wants a new law, they have to talk to their congress critters just like everyone else They don't get to just pull shit outta their asses, throw it on the kitchen table and call it a turkey |
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Don't ask me how I did it. I just did it, it was hard...
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If universal background checks are being pushed. One should be able to buy a gun in any of the 50 states not just the one you reside in.
It is a universal background check right. |
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From VCDL;
MAJOR BREAKING NEWS! A Temporary Restraining Order has been granted to VCDL and GOA in our lawsuit against BATFE’s new “engaged in the business” rule!!! That rule is going into effect on Monday! A Texas Court has granted a temporary restraining order to prevent the BATFE from enforcing its “engaged in the business” rule against Virginia Citizens Defense League members, Gun Owners of America members, and Tennessee Firearms Association members, as well as residents of the state of Texas, and a Mr. Jeffery Tormey. We were told that VCDL, GOA, and TFA were the only gun groups to file suit. There are two other suits that involve some states, gun stores, and individuals. If you live in Virginia and you are NOT a member of VCDL or GOA, you are NOT covered by this temporary restraining order, unfortunately. Here is the order: https://cdn.ymaws.com/vcdl.org/resource/resmgr/pdf/ |
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Fuck the ATF.
I'll give them this much, they're relentless. Right now though, we're always on the defensive. The pro-2a community is reactive - the ATF comes up with a new scheme - we go to court to stop it. I would think at some point we have to go after the ATF with the same zeal they have in coming after us. I think the only way to beat them down is to just go after them non-stop, one lawsuit after another. Every month. Twelve months a year. Just never stop going after them. |
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Originally Posted By pale_pony: If the FBATF wants a new law, they have to talk to their congress critters just like everyone else They don't get to just pull shit outta their asses, throw it on the kitchen table and call it a turkey View Quote Yes. Also, If the Legislative or Executive branches want a new law, they have to go through the legislative process, not just direct a bureau to change and enforce the rules. There are also things outside of their power to legislate. |
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Originally Posted By CarlosC: Fuck the ATF. I'll give them this much, they're relentless. View Quote Of course they are, why wouldn't they be? They use our money to do this stuff and are completely unaccountable for anything that does get stricken down or rolled back by the courts. We also use our money to fight them, and usually have to endure their bullshit for years before it gets squashed. There is no downside for them. |
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Good on the restraining order. But, it either applies to everyone or none. The government just wants to do the "divide and conquer" crap. There should be no special people.
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Psalm 144:1 Praise the Lord my Rock, who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle.
Callsign: "Nub" |
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There was a new law passed, the Bipartisan Safer Communities Act, which changed the definition of being in the business of dealing firearms. ATF wrote these implementing regulations. This court case is whether the implementing regulations go beyond the new law and constitution or not. Texas AG thinks they do, a judge agreed they will likely win, so the implementing regs were put on hold. I think that’s what’s going on.
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Good and FATF for their unconstitutional overreach.
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Originally Posted By CarlosC: Fuck the ATF. I'll give them this much, they're relentless. View Quote |
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Experience is what you get right after you need it.
Originally Posted By CplRick: The line of credit on the Race Card is maxed out, sorry. |
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ABOLISH, GUT, and DE-FUND the ATF...
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