SHTF: would you rather have 50 rounds of 9mm JHP or 100 rounds of 9mm FMJ?

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Posted: 5/1/2024 8:23:31 PM EDT

Play along:

Zombies or something worse happens. You were visiting San Francisco for a relaxing weekend and have to get back to your lovely home in Ohio. Power and all utilities are gone, government gone, all roads blocked, roving bands of marauders, etc.

You have to travel by foot. You have your choice of supplies in a backpack (no weapons) and enough people died where there are still dry goods in some stores but many of them are guarded.

You get a new Glock 17, 2 mags, and holster and either 50 rounds of JHP of your choice or 100 rounds of Federal 115gr FMJ. Which do you choose? Would you survive long enough to be able to use up all 50 rounds? Would one encounter with marauders wipe out your whole supply? Remember, you only have 2 mags so you’re reloading mags no matter what.

Lucky-Charm Member Joined Aug 2012 Posts 5806 EE 100% (82) FL, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:24:12 PM EDT [#1] FMJ

Kingdead Member Joined Mar 2013 Posts 20829 EE 100% (6) WI, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:24:27 PM EDT [#2] 100 rounds FMJ. I'm not the best shot. Maybe I need some barrier penetration.

Commando223 polyoxybenzylmethylenglycolanhydride Joined Nov 2004 Posts 23439 EE 100% (295) TX, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:25:11 PM EDT [#3] FMJ all the way
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10mmillie Joined Aug 2001 Posts 13255 EE 100% (214) TX, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:26:03 PM EDT [#4] FMJ

TxLewis Wsbptkt Now, more than ever. Joined Mar 2001 Posts 56005 EE 100% (20) TX, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:26:31 PM EDT [#5] Hollow points are to prevent over penetration. Not an issue in your scenario. Fmj all the way
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StillGonnaSendIt Member Joined Oct 2022 Posts 2536 EE 100% (50) NC, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:26:33 PM EDT [#6] 100 rounds of Buffalo bore Or Bonded Winchester Ranger

KILLERB6 Member Joined Jan 2002 Posts 68728 EE 100% (6) USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:26:48 PM EDT [#7] Concur.
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macman37 The One Man Wrecking Machine Joined Mar 2003 Posts 125866 EE 100% (36) MI, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:27:10 PM EDT [#8] FMJ
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X-CaptHook Member Joined Jun 2010 Posts 2859 EE 0% (0) FL, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:27:17 PM EDT [#9] Shots (hits) to the ocular cranial cavity don’t need to be HP to be extremely effective.
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redseven11b Joined Jan 2014 Posts 3159 EE 0% (0) TX, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:28:37 PM EDT [#12] 100 rounds

macphisto Joined Apr 2009 Posts 7148 EE 0% (0) USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:29:40 PM EDT [#13] I’m not gay, but 100 rounds is 100 rounds.

Alex_F Not in lockstep with The Hive™ Joined Dec 2002 Posts 35128 EE 100% (64) VA, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:30:27 PM EDT [#14] the 100 rounds so I could run them through my suppressed pistol
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-Ascent- . Joined Jul 2008 Posts 7411 EE 100% (26) USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:31:00 PM EDT [#15] 100 rounds 9mm NATO if I could choose

Kingdead Member Joined Mar 2013 Posts 20831 EE 100% (6) WI, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:31:02 PM EDT [#16] Attached File

Dagger41 Member Joined Sep 2011 Posts 61389 EE 0% (0) FL, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:31:07 PM EDT [#17] I'll take 100 rounds out of 50 all day long. Why is this even a question ?
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Alnen123 Member Joined Mar 2014 Posts 12945 EE 100% (68) GA, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:34:38 PM EDT [#18] Quote History Originally Posted By TxLewis: Hollow points are to prevent over penetration. Not an issue in your scenario. Fmj all the way View Quote That's not the primary purpose of hollow points, they dump more energy into meat and cause a little more damage. I'd choose the extra rounds in this case. Handily.

Snozberry Joined Oct 2013 Posts 4675 EE 0% (0) USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:34:39 PM EDT [#19] Quote History Originally Posted By TxLewis: Hollow points are to prevent over penetration. Not an issue in your scenario. Fmj all the way View Quote Wut? Thats a feature, not a primary attribute.

GarandM1 Joined Apr 2007 Posts 63739 EE 0% (0) UT, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:35:18 PM EDT [#20] "Quantity has a quality of all its own"

Badlatitude Member Joined Feb 2009 Posts 34194 EE 100% (1) VT, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:37:17 PM EDT [#21] I have limited ccw hp and tons of fmj. I only ccw hp for safety

MidwestJ Joined Feb 2009 Posts 16805 EE 100% (19) USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:38:41 PM EDT [#22] Hunerd rounds

networkguru Joined Nov 2018 Posts 5771 EE 100% (3) FL, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:38:54 PM EDT [#23] 100

Need4Guns Member Joined Nov 2020 Posts 4622 EE 0% (0) VA, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:40:52 PM EDT [#24] My EDC and HD pistols hold HP's. But my AR9 that is staged for HD carries FMJ. If it comes down to it, all of my ammo of any caliber is defensive/offensive ammo.

CAsoldier Joined Jul 2006 Posts 23339 EE 0% (0) USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:42:59 PM EDT [#25] More is better

Efl15 Joined Jan 2019 Posts 17176 EE 0% (0) USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:44:34 PM EDT [Last Edit: Efl15] [#26] 100 rounds of .40 S&W or .45 ACP. The ideal pistol cartridges.

Glocked Joined May 2018 Posts 16672 EE 100% (34) MS, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:44:35 PM EDT [#27] According to the documentary World War Z “spines are divine, but knees are just fine.” Give me the 100.

switchtanks Joined Feb 2012 Posts 23073 EE 0% (0) TN, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:45:49 PM EDT [#28] Quote History Originally Posted By Lucky-Charm: FMJ View Quote Something about shot placement and quantity over quality

Ryan_Scott Member Joined Oct 2011 Posts 23539 EE 100% (4) AZ, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:46:49 PM EDT [#29] JHPs. The difference between 50 and 100 rounds is less than the difference between a good bullet and ball.

osprey21 Known Associate Joined Jan 2001 Posts 155380 EE 100% (277) FL, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:53:55 PM EDT [#30] Quantity.
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JamesJones Member Joined Feb 2015 Posts 11403 EE 100% (148) OH, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:55:42 PM EDT [#31] 7 rounds of 45

Bellows1 Who me? Joined Mar 2015 Posts 13219 EE 100% (16) USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:56:45 PM EDT [#32] Quote History Originally Posted By Efl15: 100 rounds of .40 S&W or .45 ACP. The ideal pistol cartridges. View Quote Who are you and what did you do with Efl15?
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pr24guy Member Joined Mar 2004 Posts 11011 EE 100% (1) NJ, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 8:58:19 PM EDT [#33] I'd walk over to the Bay and get on a boat. I might not even have to shoot anybody.
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DogtownTom

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Posted: 5/1/2024 9:03:48 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By Alnen123:

That's not the primary purpose of hollow points, they dump more energy into meat and cause a little more damage.

I'd choose the extra rounds in this case. Handily.

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A 115 grain hollow point "dumps" the exact same amount of energy into a target as a 115 grain fmj.

"Energy dump" is a bullshit term just like "stopping power".

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wsullivan Joined Apr 2024 Posts 27 EE 0% (0) TX, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 9:20:08 PM EDT [#36] 100

Serenity7 you can't take the sky from me..... Joined Mar 2005 Posts 16056 EE 100% (1) USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 9:21:34 PM EDT [#37] 100

HDLS Member Joined Sep 2013 Posts 36834 EE 100% (32) CA, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 9:22:49 PM EDT [#38] pole fail

ar15robert Joined Jan 2001 Posts 2275 EE 0% (0) AZ, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 9:23:40 PM EDT [#39] Fmj no doubt.

Jambalaya Slow Cooked Joined Sep 2005 Posts 44676 EE 0% (0) USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 9:24:21 PM EDT [Last Edit: Jambalaya] [#40] 100 rounds of FMJ. It's not like you couldn't drill holes in them if you really wanted to.

Kingdead Member Joined Mar 2013 Posts 20832 EE 100% (6) WI, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 9:25:39 PM EDT [#41] Quote History Originally Posted By DogtownTom: A 115 grain hollow point "dumps" the exact same amount of energy into a target as a 115 grain fmj. "Energy dump" is a bullshit term just like "stopping power". View Quote I think he was referring to if the FMJ over-penetrates and doesn't stop in the target. Regardless I'm taking more FMJ.

MarineGrunt Joined Nov 2000 Posts 7252 EE 100% (5) WI, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 9:27:50 PM EDT [#42] Quote History Originally Posted By JamesJones: 7 rounds of 45 View Quote 7 million dollars gets you 7 rounds.

sporter Joined Jan 2001 Posts 10702 EE 100% (166) IN, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 9:29:05 PM EDT [#43] 100

Canoeguy Member Joined Jan 2009 Posts 31039 EE 100% (11) VA, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 9:29:51 PM EDT [#44] 100

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Never_A_Wick

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Posted: 5/1/2024 9:30:57 PM EDT

[#46]

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Originally Posted By DogtownTom:

A 115 grain hollow point "dumps" the exact same amount of energy into a target as a 115 grain fmj.

"Energy dump" is a bullshit term just like "stopping power".

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Well, no.

A JHP that stops inside the body has delivered 100% of its energy to the target.

A FMJ that passes through the target still has energy left.

Bravo_Six Member Joined Jul 2007 Posts 14032 EE 100% (6) PA, USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 9:33:18 PM EDT [#47] If I'm stuck with a Glock, I'll only need one round, so I'll take an HP to make sure it gets done to the best of 9mm's ability.

Kihn Member Joined Jan 2001 Posts 127268 EE 100% (7) USA	Posted: 5/1/2024 9:33:29 PM EDT [#48] Glock backplate and 30 rd mags says 100 rds!!!!!
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Posted: 5/1/2024 9:34:32 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By Never_A_Wick:

Well, no.

A JHP that stops inside the body has delivered 100% of its energy to the target.

A FMJ that passes through the target still has energy left.

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You big dummy. A nutshot on Hitler with an FMJ has a chance to score a double kill when it over penetrates. Bet you didn't consider that.

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Posted: 5/1/2024 9:35:37 PM EDT

[#50]

My understanding is that most bulk fmj isn't made to the standard of quality defensive ammo, I've never had any problems shooting fmj (though not at anyone). I do have a few hundred rounds of Speer 147 TMJs, might consider that or hard cast.

Whenever I travel I bring as much as ammo as I can, just in case of (further) societal breakdown. Every pistol has a holster and rifle has a sling and light, even on a levergun for California. I weigh the ammo to see how much I can bring without breaking the carrier's rules, 11 pounds for Southwest I think.

Driving to a free state means a combat load and a few boxes of ammo. Am I insane? Yes, but only a little.

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