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Posted: 4/28/2023 10:32:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Minuteman1636]
Verified .223 chambers per Colt.
I am not affiliated with Arms Unlimited...just sharing something that has become available. Some rare European specification 6920 carbines are available for purchase at Arms Unlimited.  Attached FileThese carbines are unique on the U.S. market as they are actually .223 and not 5.56mm. These carbines are serial numbered on the lower receiver and upper receiver as shown in the image below. They may be serial numbered on the bolt carrier group but I can't guarantee it. I will post back here if I get clarification.  Attached FileIn the image above, yhe 'US' represents country of manufacture, the 23 represents the year of manufacture. I have never seen anything like this on the U.S. market. These won't last long. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2023 8:20:48 AM EDT
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Don’t see caliber markings on either receiver. Is the barrel marked .223?
Showing 346 in stock. |
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Posted: 4/29/2023 9:12:09 AM EDT
[#2]
https://armsunlimited.com/colt-carbine-223-semi-auto-rifle-european-model/
Fully CIP compliant for the European countries that require guns to be produced according to the CIP specifications. All major parts are marked with the serial number and US23 which designates the country of origin and the year they were produced. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2023 9:59:48 AM EDT
[#3]
I’m a little surprised on the 16” barrel. I didn’t think that was a thing in Europe.
Stated above, I’m assuming that the barrels are .223 marked?? |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2023 10:07:01 AM EDT
[#4]
I know the difference between 223 and 5.56. But can these models only shoot 223?
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2023 10:49:22 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By oxford411: I’m a little surprised on the 16” barrel. I didn’t think that was a thing in Europe. Stated above, I’m assuming that the barrels are .223 marked?? I’m not a lawyer but believe the US government does not allow any items regulated by the NFA to be exported for civilian ownership. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2023 10:58:37 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyA: I’m not a lawyer but believe the US government does not allow any items regulated by the NFA to be exported for civilian ownership. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JohnnyA: Originally Posted By oxford411: I’m a little surprised on the 16” barrel. I didn’t think that was a thing in Europe. Stated above, I’m assuming that the barrels are .223 marked?? I’m not a lawyer but believe the US government does not allow any items regulated by the NFA to be exported for civilian ownership. I have no real idea in this but, the “COMMANDO” marked lowers that we got stripped from AU were over-runs from Italian market rifles that saw 12” and 14.5” barrels. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2023 11:27:29 AM EDT
[#7]
Pretty cool and unique. If it is only chambered for .223 that would be the only draw back I think.
Nothing a simple barrel swap would fix but then again if the barrel is marked for CIP specifications then that takes away from the uniqueness too. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2023 12:03:08 PM EDT
[#8]
It would be interesting if someone buys one then puts a M-Guns 5.56 Gauge in the chamber to see if its really cut .223 or just marked / stamped .223 but really has a 5.56 chamber.
I have a Sig 716 Gen2 Patrol rifle, barrel is stamped 7.62, sold as 7.62, but the chamber is really 308. |
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ITA
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Posted: 4/29/2023 12:34:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Frens]
[#9]
Our barrel length limit is 12 or 12.5.. I guess Colt made the 16” just because that’s the best seller in the US.
We can buy 14.5 colts without issue. As for the 223 vs 5.56… it’s more of a semantic issue… My Match Target is marked 223 on the lower but the Barrel was obviously marked 556 just like any other MT rifle.. once it arrived in EU the proof house sanitized the barrel with some XXX markings over the 556. It’s still chambered for 5.56 Another example is my surplus M16A1 converted to SA… the barrel did not have the caliber marking on the barrel from the factory (just C MP Chrome Bore) so the proof house added “.223 REM”… it still chambered for 5.56. Same story for my Galil.. 223Rem added on the barrel but still chambered for 5.56. The real news here is the SN added to the upper. |
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Posted: 4/29/2023 12:43:46 PM EDT
[#10]
So are we all buying 1?
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Posted: 4/29/2023 12:44:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Minuteman1636]
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 5pt56: So are we all buying 1? I bought one and @aeyoung bought one. I shouldn't have bought one because I have a prototype upper receiver to buy but this is a pretty unique opportunity. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2023 12:52:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: OTDR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frens: As for the 223 vs 5.56… it’s more of a semantic issue… My Match Target is marked 223 on the lower but the Barrel was obviously marked 556 just like any other MT rifle.. once it arrived in EU the proof house sanitized the barrel with some XXX markings over the 556. It’s still chambered for 5.56 Another example is my surplus M16A1 converted to SA… the barrel did not have the caliber marking on the barrel from the factory (just C MP Chrome Bore) so the proof house added “.223 REM”… it still chambered for 5.56. Same story for my Galil.. 223Rem added on the barrel but still chambered for 5.56. The real news here is the SN added to the upper. Yes, I would bet that the chamber is really 5.56 and what makes its unique is the upper serial markings. |
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Posted: 4/29/2023 12:55:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Minuteman1636: I bought one and @aeyoung bought one. I shouldn't have bought one because I have a prototype upper receiver to buy but this is a pretty unique opportunity. Nuff said 
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2023 1:04:50 PM EDT
[#14]
Worth buying just for the low price of adding a new Colt. AU seems to have plenty.
That being said, after a 5 year non stop buying spree of new Colts, I haven't bought a new Colt Rifle since right before the M5 was released. Not sure why lol. Going to pass on this one too. But that price is tempting. |
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ITA
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Posted: 4/29/2023 1:06:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OTDR: what makes its unique is the upper serial markings. Yeah that’s the biggest news for us over here… beside the newer EU law the Italian gun laws has always considered barrel, bolts and receivers as regulated gun parts but since US guns are only serialized on the lower The proof house never bothered adding the SN to those parts.. just the usual proof test markings. That situation generated some grey areas where people could easily convert A2 into flat top or even swapping URG before selling a gun. That can not be done anymore. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2023 1:29:14 PM EDT
[#16]
Why do all these deals keep popping up? I just picked up my CR6762 a few days ago and now this deal comes along.
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Posted: 4/29/2023 1:33:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By securenet: Why do all these deals keep popping up? I just picked up my CR6762 a few days ago and now this deal comes along. Its brutal...the deals need to stop for a while. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2023 2:06:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Minuteman1636: Its brutal...the deals need to stop for a while. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Minuteman1636: Originally Posted By securenet: Why do all these deals keep popping up? I just picked up my CR6762 a few days ago and now this deal comes along. Its brutal...the deals need to stop for a while. Yep, my credit card needs a rest. |
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Posted: 5/1/2023 3:05:11 PM EDT
[#19]
It will pair nicely with my Mexican 6920.
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Posted: 5/1/2023 5:16:13 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By onealphay2k: It will pair nicely with my Mexican 6920. Another that I regret not purchasing. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2023 6:27:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: Another that I regret not purchasing. Another I regret not purchasing 2 of. I went back to Clydes later to get a 2nd one and sold out. Someone on Minuteman's private page bought like a dozen of the Mexi Colts and actually posted pics of them lol. |
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Posted: 5/1/2023 9:48:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Bishop3]
[#22]
It's a 6920 with the 'CIP' markings w/serialized upper receiver. Consider, a very decent price too. For the US, I'm sure these will eventuality be on the rare list.
Eta: too bad I'm saving for another Colt, the FBP2. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/2/2023 2:14:21 PM EDT
[#23]
I like the fact the upper and lower are seralized the same (unlike back when LMT also added serial numbers to their MRP line of uppers ... the upper and lower always had different numbers).
This is a good price for a "complete" 6920 with a feature that may make it collectible in teh future. MANY years ago when Shotgun News was a thing, I bought a Colt AR-15 in 222 Remington (not a misprint ... 222 ... NOT 223). It was an export model for countries that prohibited civilian small arms ownership in "military calibers". I actually LOST money when I sold it to a collector. Nobody seemed to know where to find 222 ammo, haha. It was a AR-15A1 configuration with the "slab side" style lower, A1 FA, A1 rear sight, and A2 handguards. The lower was marked ... Rampant Horse Symbol / Stylized COLT name AR-15 A2 Cal. 222 Sporter II Ser. SP 21xxxxx At the time I thought I did well. I was half-way collecting Colts at the time, and thought it was very neat. However, as an "odd ball" caliber it didn't entice many buyers when I tried to sell it. Eventually the "sales forum" on a "german assault rifle named forum" that I spent an exorbinant amount of time on found an advanced collector that wanted it. The reason I bring this up, the Export 6920 is priced less than a normal one and would appeal to a shooter as well as collector. Its a win/win while my 222 was a collector only gun. Go buy some or you'll regret it. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 8:05:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: onealphay2k]
[#24]
I got tracking this morning but no movement yet on UPS. AU site shows 259 in stock currently. I will post photos with impressions if nobody does before I receive mine. AU has very little info about these on their website. Just one photo of the receiver with the special engraving and some vague comments about its unique Euro CIP compliance that I have never seen before, can find very little info about, and have never seen anything similar from any manufacturer to compare it to.
That being said, AU has delivered in the past on unique colt items. The Colt M203 w/38mm barrels, Rare EURO Commando Receivers, Rare folding Colt stocks w/ proprietary bolt, 9mm tiger stripe receiver set never sold before, and a storage closet full of unique Colt lowers. They definitely have a great connection at Colt who has hooked them up in the past. If this was anyone other than AU I would be considering this a possible scam, but even then it would be a scam to sell $895 Colt 6920’s. So that just doesn’t make sense. Worst case this is an $895 Colt 6920 engraved by AU for export and never shipped. Best case it comes with a unique box label and/or owners manual that shows it came from the Colt factory this way. Either way it’s an $895 Colt 6920 “Warhammer” with a cool story. It doesn’t seem like a bad deal either way. If it’s Best case I will be ordering a couple more and calling a few friends before I post an update here. Just saying. |
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Posted: 5/4/2023 8:36:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Minuteman1636]
[#25]
Originally Posted By onealphay2k:
I got tracking this morning but no movement yet on UPS. It isn't uncommon for UPS to take 24 to 48 hours to update tracking once an item has actually shipped. I will post photos with impressions if nobody does before I receive mine. Definitely post your thoughts after you get it. The more people that comment, the more interesting the conversation. AU has very little info about these on their website. Just one photo of the receiver with the special engraving and some vague comments about its unique Euro CIP compliance that I have never seen before, can find very little info about, and have never seen anything similar from any manufacturer to compare it to. U.S. firearm manufacturers shipping AR-15's to the European market isn't a common occurrence. CIP is Europes equivalent to the U.S. SAAMI standards organization. Firearms manufactured outside of the EU have to clear CIP inspection before being allowed into their intended market. That being said, AU has delivered in the past on unique colt items. This will go down in the collector books as another unique collectors opportunity[/i] Worst case this is an $895 Colt 6920 engraved by AU for export and never shipped. These were not engraved by AU. These were production overruns at Colt. Best case it comes with a unique box label and/or owners manual that shows it came from the Colt factory this way. [i]The carbines are supposed to come new in the box with serial number matching label. I don't anticipate any type of foreign language label or anything. It would be cool if it had a foreign language manual of some type but I don't anticipate that since English is very prevalent in Europe. I just sent AU my ship to FFL copy yesterday. I don't anticipate seeing mine until late next week at the earliest. |
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Posted: 5/5/2023 1:07:08 PM EDT
[#26]
I picked up a handful of these from a local dealer. i may trade off a few.
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Posted: 5/5/2023 2:06:22 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Brook99: I picked up a handful of these from a local dealer. i may trade off a few. Interesting. Same price? Mind sharing who from? I have yet to have shipping update on mine lol I ordered before the email came out so was expecting at least before th weekend but has yet to actually ship |
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USA
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Posted: 5/5/2023 2:15:33 PM EDT
[#28]
I'm on the fence. I haven't been a collector for a LONG time and don't need another 6920 shooter but ...
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Posted: 5/5/2023 3:34:13 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aeyoung: Interesting. Same price? Mind sharing who from? I have yet to have shipping update on mine lol I ordered before the email came out so was expecting at least before th weekend but has yet to actually ship a local dealer. a bit cheaper. $875 |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2023 3:46:26 PM EDT
[#30]
CIP 223 is .556
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Posted: 5/8/2023 8:36:31 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/8/2023 8:47:13 PM EDT
[#32]
It is interesting to see the barrel serial numbered.
Thanks for posting the pictures. |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 8:47:54 PM EDT
[#33]
It is interesting to see the barrel serial numbered and the 'Colt 2023 serial number' on the bolt.
Thanks for posting the pictures. |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 8:50:23 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aeyoung: Got mine in https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/372020/5E34D87E-D823-4F4F-B095-9D3D61532F34_jpe-2810334.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/372020/CEE2FA82-CA60-4C12-9DC3-BCCC1B2C3EC3_jpe-2810337.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/372020/811EE527-4189-4778-A15C-F313C353702D_jpe-2810338.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/372020/7B062CDF-988F-40CB-A576-CB59FDC0500D_jpe-2810339.JPG Awesome, thanks for posting. Interesting that the barrel is C MP marked like older Colt's rather than the M and P separate. |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 9:01:16 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: Awesome, thanks for posting. Interesting that the barrel is C MP marked like older Colt's rather than the M and P separate. I’m thinking they had old roll dies they used. It’s rolled not engraved like current ones |
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Posted: 5/8/2023 9:20:47 PM EDT
[#36]
Well, there went a grand.
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Posted: 5/8/2023 9:41:02 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aeyoung: I’m thinking they had old roll dies they used. It’s rolled not engraved like current ones Agreed. Wish they'd have stayed with the dies. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 12:45:18 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Minuteman1636: It is interesting to see the barrel serial numbered and the 'Colt 2023 serial number' on the bolt. Thanks for posting the pictures. Weird… the carrier is not considered a gun part.. they should have marked the bolt not the carrier. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 6:40:34 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frens: Weird… the carrier is not considered a gun part.. they should have marked the bolt not the carrier. I found that odd as well. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 7:15:18 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: I found that odd as well. Maybe the bolt is marked too.. may be worth checking |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 7:32:59 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frens: Maybe the bolt is marked too.. may be worth checking Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frens: Originally Posted By TGWLDR: I found that odd as well. Maybe the bolt is marked too.. may be worth checking @aeyoung |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 8:21:40 AM EDT
[#42]
These carbines have .223 chambers...they are not 5.56mm. I verified this with Colt.
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Posted: 5/9/2023 8:24:36 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Minuteman1636: These carbines have .223 chambers...they are not 5.56mm. I verified this with Colt. Thank you sir. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 9:32:24 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: @aeyoung The bolt is normal MPC marked |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 9:49:10 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aeyoung: The bolt is normal MPC marked Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aeyoung: Originally Posted By TGWLDR: @aeyoung The bolt is normal MPC marked Thank you sir. |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 9:51:08 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Minuteman1636: These carbines have .223 chambers...they are not 5.56mm. I verified this with Colt. Damn… Hope the CK available on Brownells will remain 5.56… I’d like to add a 64xx upper to the collection one day… |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 9:52:26 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frens: Damn… Hope the CK available on Brownells will remain 5.56… I’d like to add a 64xx upper to the collection one day… There is a .223 upper receiver conversion kit on Brownells? |
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Posted: 5/9/2023 11:55:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Frens]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Minuteman1636: There is a .223 upper receiver conversion kit on Brownells? Right now I think there are none available on Brownells EU.. only stripped 16/14.5 m4 barrels.. |
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Posted: 5/10/2023 8:07:36 AM EDT
[#49]
,223 and not 5.56……….bummer
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USA
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Posted: 5/10/2023 4:01:34 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Minuteman1636: These carbines have .223 chambers...they are not 5.56mm. I verified this with Colt. That just saved me $900 + shipping + tax + FFL transfer ... or about $1010. |
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