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Posted: 8/13/2020 6:51:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Midwest_Ind: As promised we have a website PRE SALE live at the link below. This is for the first small batch which will be ready to ship shortly. We look forward to getting them to you all. For those that are active on all the Sig forums please let others know.  Thanks, PETE https://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/MI-SIG-516-M-LOK-Handguard-PRE-SALE Thank you Pete. I got mine ordered. Can't wait for these to start shipping. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 8/13/2020 10:37:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Midwest_Ind: The top rail is 7.25 in length. The sides extend to the front edge of the gas block. It should work fine with a 10.5 inch upper Troy MI Thanks a bunch, just placed my order. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 8/13/2020 6:58:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Michaelj93]
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JDubyaD: I'd like to know how much weight is saved as well. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JDubyaD: Originally Posted By Laxman2809: what is the weight of the complete upper? I'd like to know how much weight is saved as well. 12.2 Oz for the quad rail https://imgur.com/a/pqDAVFK |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 8/13/2020 6:59:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Midwest_Ind: Welcome to arfcom Thank you, sir! |
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Posted: 8/16/2020 12:36:59 AM EDT
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Can't believe i didn't see this until tonight. Busy week.
Just ordered two! |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 2:06:39 PM EDT
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Just got my shipping notification!
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Posted: 8/18/2020 3:14:52 PM EDT
[#7]
Just saw this and ordered one immediately. No second thoughts whatsoever!
You have no idea how grateful I am that you did this! Love the rifle, but hate is too weak of a word to use for what I felt about that stupid idiotic hand guard. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 8/18/2020 8:58:50 PM EDT
[#8]
Hi MI. I’ve been in touch with a few folks who’ve already received theirs and it appears the rail is having fitting issues over the bayonet lug some 516 models have. It appears yours prototype images does not include a bayo lug on your 516 which is possibly the reason it may have been overlooked.
I suspect many people will have to either return the rail for additional relief cuts or will have to chop off the lug - personally would prefer to maintain the lug, as would most others, I assume |
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Posted: 8/18/2020 11:03:22 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Michaelj93: Hi MI. I’ve been in touch with a few folks who’ve already received theirs and it appears the rail is having fitting issues over the bayonet lug some 516 models have. It appears yours prototype images does not include a bayo lug on your 516 which is possibly the reason it may have been overlooked. I suspect many people will have to either return the rail for additional relief cuts or will have to chop off the lug - personally would prefer to maintain the lug, as would most others, I assume If true, thats going to suck. Both my uppers have the bayonet lug. Guess I'll know for sure in two days. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 8/19/2020 4:46:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Dr_Nimslow: If true, thats going to suck. Both my uppers have the bayonet lug. Guess I'll know for sure in two days. I’m afraid it appears so. Personally I can set up a router and jig, likely will be doing the cuts myself. I am too damn excited to get this thing finished and out to the range to fickle over 1/4” of extra aluminum Am highly reconsidering just cutting off that lug. Not like I’ll ever use the damn thing and if we’re changing out our rails for the sake of saving weight, removing that lug should shave off another half oz or so. Overall it’s about a 4oz difference between the factory quad and MI’s so it’ll be about another extra 10% overall weight reduction once it’s all said and done, with the lug removed |
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Posted: 8/19/2020 6:46:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Midwest_Ind]
[#11]
I have a standard length model designed. The extended length was not designed to go over the bayonet lug. This feature of the other guns was not over looked or missed. We do not have time at the moment to run any of the short lengths. Once things slow down I may or may not do a run of them.
Troy MI |
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Posted: 8/19/2020 8:03:49 AM EDT
[#12]
I have a standard 16 inch patrol model.
Will this fit my rifle? If not, I have a friend with a machine shop that can mill around the lug. Can someone post pictures? |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 8/19/2020 9:02:57 PM EDT
[#13]
Anyone going to chop the bayo lug? Any tips? I have never used a bayo lug for anything. I can't think of any reason I might use it in the future either.
I have a 14.5 inch version of the upper. When I ordered mine on the 12th I did not see any mention of the hand guards not fitting models with a bayonet lug. 
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Posted: 8/19/2020 10:44:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By d1b3: Anyone going to chop the bayo lug? Any tips? I have never used a bayo lug for anything. I can't think of any reason I might use it in the future either. I have a 14.5 inch version of the upper. When I ordered mine on the 12th I did not see any mention of the hand guards not fitting models with a bayonet lug. My 11.5" upper started life as a 14.5" with the bayonet lug. Armed with the knowledge it wont accept a bayonet now anyways, I fired up my trusty compressor, grabbed the die grinder and a couple of cheap harbor freight cutoff wheels and commenced to "gunsmith". No bayonet lug anymore, and the hand guard fits fine now. I just put some cold blue on the exposed metal for now. I'll clean it up and figure out a better refinish option later, but it only took 30 minutes or so. You could probably do it with a hack saw, but it would take a while. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2020 5:03:25 AM EDT
[#15]
Well, both my 14.5 and 10 that still have the factory quad rails also have bayonet lugs. I guess the folks at Midwest didn't realize that a lot of 516's have bayonet lugs, including 14.5 and 16 inch models. My other two 516s have the 13" Lancer rails on them which I like very much. Would have loved for this rail to work on my 10" 516 but it appears that it won't. I suppose I could send my barrel off to my friend John Thomas at Retro Arms Works to have the bayonet lug professionally removed (I don't own a bayonet and can't imagine ever using the bayonet lug on either of these two rifles). But that would be an investment of extra funds that would put the cost of the rail at or greater than the Lancer. That would make no sense at all. Guess this one will be going back to Midwest for a refund. Just sorry that it won't work.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 8/20/2020 8:11:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/20/2020 8:18:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kyjd75: Well, both my 14.5 and 10 that still have the factory quad rails also have bayonet lugs. I guess the folks at Midwest didn't realize that a lot of 516's have bayonet lugs, including 14.5 and 16 inch models. My other two 516s have the 13" Lancer rails on them which I like very much. Would have loved for this rail to work on my 10" 516 but it appears that it won't. I suppose I could send my barrel off to my friend John Thomas at Retro Arms Works to have the bayonet lug professionally removed (I don't own a bayonet and can't imagine ever using the bayonet lug on either of these two rifles). But that would be an investment of extra funds that would put the cost of the rail at or greater than the Lancer. That would make no sense at all. Guess this one will be going back to Midwest for a refund. Just sorry that it won't work. I mean you could just cut it off yourself with $10 invested for a hack saw. Been there done that. |
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Posted: 8/20/2020 11:11:35 AM EDT
[#18]
Here it is on my 11.5" cut down 14.5" SIG sale upper. It's quality kit, like all the MI stuff, but I don't think I'll be putting one on my other upper.
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Posted: 8/21/2020 11:40:43 PM EDT
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I'm committed to making this work.
Not sure if I'm going to cut the bayonet lug or the rail yet. Personally don't have the tools to do a clean cut on either so I'll have to send it off. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 8/22/2020 2:48:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Michaelj93]
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YukonBoy03: I'm committed to making this work. Not sure if I'm going to cut the bayonet lug or the rail yet. Personally don't have the tools to do a clean cut on either so I'll have to send it off. I used a dremel and took the lug off. Wasn’t patient enough for my friend. Positioned the barrel right in front of me with the upper upside down and cut really thin layers at a time directly on the 6 o’clock position. Move sort of like a CNC machine in a forward motion and it’s easy work with. Start with the sides and level out as needed. Took about 2 hours though. I also bought a por 15 kit to touch up the exposed steel. If you do go this route, work slow. Remember it’s easier to remove material than it is to add. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 8/22/2020 7:18:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Michaelj93: I used a dremel and took the lug off. Wasn’t patient enough for my friend. Positioned the barrel right in front of me with the upper upside down and cut really thin layers at a time directly on the 6 o’clock position. Move sort of like a CNC machine in a forward motion and it’s easy work with. Start with the sides and level out as needed. Took about 2 hours though. I also bought a por 15 kit to touch up the exposed steel. If you do go this route, work slow. Remember it’s easier to remove material than it is to add. Would you post some pics of what your gas block looks like now after the cutting it? Thanks. |
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Posted: 8/22/2020 1:18:03 PM EDT
[#22]
Troy,
If yall can modify or update the bottom rail, I would be willing to pay extra to get mine modified or to buy a lower half. |
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Posted: 8/28/2020 9:10:42 AM EDT
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Anyone modified the lower portion of the rail? I think I would rather do this than modify the bayonet lug
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Posted: 8/28/2020 1:24:59 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uniquesnd: Anyone modified the lower portion of the rail? I think I would rather do this than modify the bayonet lug Since nobody is doing that, I will try to do that with mine that I received yesterday. I will try to get to it tomorrow. |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 2:46:12 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Currently: Since nobody is doing that, I will try to do that with mine that I received yesterday. I will try to get to it tomorrow. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Currently: Originally Posted By uniquesnd: Anyone modified the lower portion of the rail? I think I would rather do this than modify the bayonet lug Since nobody is doing that, I will try to do that with mine that I received yesterday. I will try to get to it tomorrow. Nice! |
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Posted: 8/29/2020 5:10:54 PM EDT
[#26]
No go.
I hate returning stuff but I have to in this case. The hand guard cannot be milled without severely weakening it. Milling a slot on the hand guard for the bayonet lug goes right into a Mlok slot. I’m not willing to mill out the bayonet lug.  
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Posted: 8/29/2020 6:50:04 PM EDT
[#27]
I have something designed for the bayo guns.
Troy MI |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 11:02:21 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Midwest_Ind: I have something designed for the bayo guns. Troy MI Awesome! As I really don’t want to modify mine. Is this an add on to those who already purchased or something you will have to buy separately? |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 3:44:25 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Midwest_Ind: I have something designed for the bayo guns. Troy MI Thank you! You have no idea how grateful I am! |
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Posted: 8/30/2020 6:07:59 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Currently: Thank you! You have no idea how grateful I am! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Currently: Originally Posted By Midwest_Ind: I have something designed for the bayo guns. Troy MI Thank you! You have no idea how grateful I am! Second this! |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 9/4/2020 10:37:47 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Midwest_Ind: I have something designed for the bayo guns. Troy MI I just ordered a Bayo upper, so very interested. With this handguard and the Sig upper were about 90% to the Caracal 816 for 50% the price. Any chance for an extended version, something like the MCTAR-20XG2 meets MI-22M? The only current extended handguard available for these is the $350 Lancer carbon fiber, and I LOVE your MCTAR-20XG2 on my 7.62x39 AR, probably my favorite rifle (if I HAD to choose). |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 10:48:44 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Midwest_Ind: Ok guys here is the deal. We have a ton going on here at Midwest Industries. When we have machine time we will run this handguard, but do not expect to see them for another 4 or so months. We will not have a price for you folks until we have actually run a batch as we do not know production machine time. We do not have any plans to make a 716 handguard. When I asked Troy he said "Not going to happen". These handguards have M-LOK at the 3,6, & 9:00 o'clock positions and have 5 QD sockets built in. The handguard is designed to accept the Magpul type II covers. I do not have a weight for you yet. I will post it when we do but it will be after we have an actual production part so its going to be weeks. This handguard is 9.25" and we are not looking to make other lengths. We are not going to be making changes to this design. As I said we have a ton going on here and this project will be done when we can, but calling with questions will get you no where. Please do not call and ask the technical support/ sales team questions as they will not have answers for you. Troy was very admit about this. Here are some pre production photos: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/54866/F40D8106-A70C-4FD7-B035-6DEC5F2FDC06-1292187.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/54866/527513CF-C1D4-43AD-B6CB-9ECE8530E889-1292188.jpg https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/54866/C5B0629E-5E55-40E7-9943-2B57ED911123-1292190.jpg Thank you, Pete Make one for the 10.5 inch upper and I’m sofa in! |
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USA
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Posted: 9/6/2020 3:21:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: expensive_math]
[#33]
I had my MI 516 handguard milled. Fits like a glove and very easy. Mill out the circled part. Does not affect rigidity of the handguard nor is the M-Lok slot affected.
https://imgur.com/a/Hr7wQ6M https://imgur.com/a/FgBHwom https://imgur.com/a/PiUOnwn https://imgur.com/a/9yqkhRI https://imgur.com/a/PULeU6o |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 9/9/2020 2:35:50 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Michaelj93]
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By expensive_math: I had my MI 516 handguard milled. Fits like a glove and very easy. Mill out the circled part. Does not affect rigidity of the handguard nor is the M-Lok slot affected. https://imgur.com/a/Hr7wQ6M https://imgur.com/a/FgBHwom https://imgur.com/a/PiUOnwn https://imgur.com/a/9yqkhRI https://imgur.com/a/PULeU6o This is very nicely done. Kudos to whoever machined/finished it. I went the opposite route and got rid of the bayo. But yours is much better especially in terms of maintaining the upper’s value for those who care for that. Personally I buy my guns to keep, so no issues here in that department. I’ve been meaning to post pics of mine, should finally have it back tomorrow afternoon according to tracking. |
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Posted: 9/11/2020 4:22:32 PM EDT
[#35]
Any update on the revised bottom rail?
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Posted: 9/19/2020 4:41:36 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By uniquesnd: Any update on the revised bottom rail? I know. Pls don't go silent. |
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Posted: 9/21/2020 6:36:21 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YukonBoy03: I know. Pls don't go silent. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By YukonBoy03: Originally Posted By uniquesnd: Any update on the revised bottom rail? I know. Pls don't go silent. Guess it didn’t pan out? Hate to take a dremel to this thing but would like to shoot my rifle, so it may be my only option at this point. |
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Posted: 9/22/2020 6:28:02 AM EDT
[#38]
We have design . It will work perfectly and solve the issue for the bayo guns. I dont have a time frame when we will run them . We are 40 days from a presidential election . Every machine including the three new ones we just put on the floor is running 20 hours a day 6 days a week.
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Posted: 9/22/2020 2:50:14 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Midwest_Ind: We have design . It will work perfectly and solve the issue for the bayo guns. I dont have a time frame when we will run them . We are 40 days from a presidential election . Every machine including the three new ones we just put on the floor is running 20 hours a day 6 days a week. Troy MI Troy, thanks for the update. Would it be better to return the ones we have, send just the lower half, or what? |
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IL, USA
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Posted: 9/22/2020 8:52:22 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Midwest_Ind: We have design . It will work perfectly and solve the issue for the bayo guns. I dont have a time frame when we will run them . We are 40 days from a presidential election . Every machine including the three new ones we just put on the floor is running 20 hours a day 6 days a week. Troy MI Outstanding news. I have one upper in the mail and two on backorder, so gonna be in for at least one. I'll be keeping an eye out. |
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Posted: 9/22/2020 11:10:32 PM EDT
[#41]
Good to hear and looking forward to getting one when they become available.
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Posted: 10/15/2020 12:22:24 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Midwest_Ind: I have a standard length model designed. The extended length was not designed to go over the bayonet lug. This feature of the other guns was not over looked or missed. We do not have time at the moment to run any of the short lengths. Once things slow down I may or may not do a run of them. Troy MI Will this be sent to the original purchasers for free/reduced cost or will it just be a whole new handguard? If so should those of us that purchased the previous handguard return it till these are produced? |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 11/11/2020 9:22:18 PM EDT
[#43]
I completely understand that you are backordered on a lot of stuff and quite busy. I am looking to get this rail system for my 516 just wondering when you will have any more available.
Thanks James |
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Posted: 11/12/2020 7:40:58 AM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By james03: I completely understand that you are backordered on a lot of stuff and quite busy. I am looking to get this rail system for my 516 just wondering when you will have any more available. Thanks James We will do another run. I do not know when at this moment. Things are crazy busy . Troy MI |
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Posted: 11/13/2020 5:44:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Midwest_Ind: We will do another run. I do not know when at this moment. Things are crazy busy . Troy MI Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Midwest_Ind: Originally Posted By james03: I completely understand that you are backordered on a lot of stuff and quite busy. I am looking to get this rail system for my 516 just wondering when you will have any more available. Thanks James We will do another run. I do not know when at this moment. Things are crazy busy . Troy MI Awesome. Waited this long, don't mind waiting some more to get one that accommodates the bayo lug and with your OEM quality |
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Posted: 11/13/2020 6:22:35 PM EDT
[#46]
Thank you, waited this long and you are listening. Will standby.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2020 1:00:14 AM EDT
[#47]
My Sig 516 with Centurion Arms c4 m-lok had it fitted by my Gunsmith.
https://i.imgur.com/TJwH0Gd.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Vy2pTSe.jpg |
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Posted: 11/24/2020 1:32:36 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigTex82: My Sig 516 with Centurion Arms c4 m-lok had it fitted by my Gunsmith. https://i.imgur.com/TJwH0Gd.jpg https://i.imgur.com/Vy2pTSe.jpg Looks great. Can't wait for the updated version. Do you have any pics on a lower? |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/24/2020 8:30:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BigTex82]
[#49]
Centurion arms c4 m-lok handguard
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Posted: 12/17/2020 2:24:42 PM EDT
[#50]
Bumping this in hopes of a resolution for those of us who bought these and have bayonet lugs.
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