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Posted: 5/8/2024 2:36:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wheel]
Disenchanted people looking for a simpler more conservative life. They've grown disillusioned with Trump.
"MAGA voters have explained why they turned their backs on the US for a new life in Russia, claiming the former communist state is a, 'positive vision of 1950s America'. Conservative men have cited the country's Christian values, beautiful women and stunning scenery as reasons behind their move. After losing faith in their hero Donald Trump, some have moved as far east as Siberia, unfazed by the prospect of being led by an autocratic dictator. They have even expressed admiration for Vladimir Putin, choosing to believe his narrative about his decision to invade Ukraine. 'I think he's a good man,' ex-pat Peter Frohwein, 62, told the Free Press. 'This lie that he's somehow a dictator—just because he was in the KGB doesn't mean he's ever killed anybody.' Frohwein is divorced with no kids, but has hopes of starting up a family. He moved from Atlanta to Yalta in the Crimea in July 2023. 'Twenty percent of the women could be supermodels,' he said, explaining he anticipates his children would speak three languages: English, Russian and Mandarin. 'I wouldn't seriously consider starting a family in the U.S. today,' he added. 'The U.S. is a political mess. Socially, things are a mess. Spiritually, things are a mess.' Bernd Ratsch, 56, agrees with this assessment of US politics and moved to Moscow from Texas in 2019. 'Is Trump better than Biden? Of course. But do I want him? Would I vote for him again? No. It's just, "Boy, shut your mouth for a while,"' he explained. Meanwhile, family man Joseph Rose has managed to carve out a career with his YouTube channel documenting his new life in Moscow. 'I would say that Russia is becoming a bastion of Christianity and that America is becoming the opposite of this,' Rose explained. 'I do think it was God leading me to where I needed to be right now. I was put in a spot where I could be used.' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13396031/MAGA-voters-moving-Russia-conservative-values.html . |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:28:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 56xdx_Z]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MacManus: fixed. This. The story has convinced me that we must counter efforts to radicalize americans, before they fall prey to maga extremism. Information is the lifeblood of our democracy. Trump must be stopped.  They made it too obvious by putting maga in the title |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:33:23 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By wheel: Disenchanted people looking for a simpler more conservative life. They've grown disillusioned with Trump. "MAGA voters have explained why they turned their backs on the US for a new life in Russia, claiming the former communist state is a, 'positive vision of 1950s America'. Conservative men have cited the country's Christian values, beautiful women and stunning scenery as reasons behind their move. After losing faith in their hero Donald Trump, some have moved as far east as Siberia, unfazed by the prospect of being led by an autocratic dictator. They have even expressed admiration for Vladimir Putin, choosing to believe his narrative about his decision to invade Ukraine. 'I think he's a good man,' ex-pat Peter Frohwein, 62, told the Free Press. 'This lie that he's somehow a dictator—just because he was in the KGB doesn't mean he's ever killed anybody.' Frohwein is divorced with no kids, but has hopes of starting up a family. He moved from Atlanta to Yalta in the Crimea in July 2023. 'Twenty percent of the women could be supermodels,' he said, explaining he anticipates his children would speak three languages: English, Russian and Mandarin. 'I wouldn't seriously consider starting a family in the U.S. today,' he added. 'The U.S. is a political mess. Socially, things are a mess. Spiritually, things are a mess.' Bernd Ratsch, 56, agrees with this assessment of US politics and moved to Moscow from Texas in 2019. 'Is Trump better than Biden? Of course. But do I want him? Would I vote for him again? No. It's just, "Boy, shut your mouth for a while,"' he explained. Meanwhile, family man Joseph Rose has managed to carve out a career with his YouTube channel documenting his new life in Moscow. 'I would say that Russia is becoming a bastion of Christianity and that America is becoming the opposite of this,' Rose explained. 'I do think it was God leading me to where I needed to be right now. I was put in a spot where I could be used.' https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13396031/MAGA-voters-moving-Russia-conservative-values.html I’m not clear on this. …. Are the dudes quoted in this article saying/suggesting it’s all Trump’s fault for them packing up and moving to Russia? Given Biden’s America right now, I can see why they might want to roll the dice over there in Russki Land. FJB, from the git-go, fucked-up everything positive thing Trump handed him when he took office (inflation, energy, economy, border control, etc). |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:33:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ninjaman: Just more Democrat lies. Sure sounds like media anti-Trump BS |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:34:55 PM EDT
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Riiiiiiiight….
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:35:00 PM EDT
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Because they’re tards who lack critical thinking abilities and swallowed Kremlin propaganda spoon fed to them by bought off pay-triots like Alexi Joneskov, Hal Turner, Cucker Tarlson, Gereald Celente, and the like.
“buH, pUtIn iS A cHRIstIaN fiGht”en Fer aLL ‘MerICaNs’ riGHTs ‘GAiNsT dA gLObAListS.” |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:35:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSmith79: lol at some 62 year old nerd with a fantasy of marrying a hot young Russian woman and starting a family. That's been extrapolated by the propaganda mills that all MAGA supporters love Russian and want to move there. Wrapped up in a headline so that low-information people see MAGA=Russia. Meanwhile, the actual stats for ALL citizens of the US (presumably a mix of (D) and (R) and independents) living in Russia right now is 4,600, having moved there sometime over the average lifetime. Which is ~ .0013%, and if you adjust for moves in the past 4 years when MAGA people would move.. it's 5% of that number: 0.000065%. Statistically speaking, zero. So the story headline is for sure complete and utter bullshit. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:38:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thrasymachus: Would the term kleptocracy be more agreeable to you? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thrasymachus: Originally Posted By BigBurkeyBoy: Originally Posted By Thunder900: That is just as dumb as Queers for Palestine. 'Christians' idolizing a Communist regime. Are... are you serious? Did you sleep through 1989-1991? What do you think happened during those years? God I swear the number of boomers who think Russia is still communist amazes me. Would the term kleptocracy be more agreeable to you? Yes, actually. As would imperialist, autocratic, and dictatorial. Words have meaning. I am not defending Russia but its important to use the right words for the right thing. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:40:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By The_Master_Shake: This was posted about a half a year ago. It hits all the tropes I mean even the name of the YT channel is "Russian Code" so I didn't take it too seriously but this is the closest I've found to the article. We all know what MAGA stands for, how stupid would you have to be to assume that moving to Russia is somehow making America great  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6i5s7rlffBQ insane full body tatted attention whore |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:40:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thunder900: That is just as dumb as Queers for Palestine. 'Christians' idolizing a Communist regime. Legit observation |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:41:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pukindog: Sure sounds like media anti-Trump BS Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pukindog: Originally Posted By Ninjaman: Just more Democrat lies. Sure sounds like media anti-Trump BS Seems more likely that it's the same standard divisive Russian propaganda meant to turn Americans against America and each other. Just like they've always done. What on earth do liberals have to gain by this? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:42:19 PM EDT
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I find it highly unlikely that someone who really believed in MAGA would move to Russia…
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ND, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:43:20 PM EDT
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Move to CA, all the shit heads left there and polluted the rest of the country
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:47:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Thunder900]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BigBurkeyBoy: Are... are you serious? Did you sleep through 1989-1991? What do you think happened during those years? God I swear the number of boomers who think Russia is still communist amazes me. Then why is Lenin still on display in Moscow next to Putin's residence. And don't get me started on those "Victory Day" parades, they are Soviet throwback days. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:47:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By USCG_CPO: I have been watching a retired Marine on YouTube who moved to a nice looking village in Siberia with a local girl. He doesn’t bash America though. Russia has absolutly no history of killing western usefull idiots that drink the coolaid move there 
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:48:44 PM EDT
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I'll take "S___ that never happened" for $2000, Alex.
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IA, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:52:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: I think it’s safe to say that Russia won the info war When your target audience barely has a two digit IQ, it's not hard. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:57:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BerettaGuy]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stevelish: I'll take "S___ that never happened" for $2000, Alex.  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/05/11/russia-to-build-migrant-village-for-conservative-american-expats-a81101  SECRET WHY AMERICANS ARE HAPPY IN RUSSIA?AMERICAN ABOUT LIVING &WORKING IN RUSSIA #Americansinrussia  American Moving To Russia In 2024 | Things I’ve Learned MTG cheers for Russia and Putin all the time along with many Trump worshippers. Tons on this website. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:00:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ameshawki: When your target audience barely has a two digit IQ, it's not hard. Is it? The social media psyops that the government runs against Trump have their roots in programs like "Think again, turn away", where they would send arabic speaking psyops analysts try to disrupt terror recruiting on social media. Those programs have been referred to as backfiring and giving islamic extremists a platform to mock america. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:01:06 PM EDT
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And unfortunately, the USA is doing all the political crap that they used to tell us that Russia did. We were told that the horrible Russians would use the Russian courts against their political opponents, that they would spy on their citizens, jail protesters, and allow the favored party members to riot without consequences, and the television channels would be spouting the government party line in order to brainwash it's citizens.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:01:35 PM EDT
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If you're dumb enough to move to a second world, impoverished country because "muh 50's" then you probably belong there.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:02:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Genin: And unfortunately, the USA is doing all the political crap that they used to tell us that Russia did. We were told that the horrible Russians would use the Russian courts against their political opponents, that they would spy on their citizens, jail protesters, and allow the favored party members to riot without consequences, and the television channels would be spouting the government party line in order to brainwash it's citizens. The fact that you can talk and post about this believe and access alternative sources of information from the MSM should give you a clue that the US is still not even in the same ballpark as Russia when it comes to that. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:03:25 PM EDT
[#22]
They are being relocated to Siberia
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MO, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:04:35 PM EDT
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You know that any outlet with .uk.com in the url is a tabloid, right?
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:05:18 PM EDT
[#24]
Good luck fighting for Russia in Ukraine idiots, er...I mean guys.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:08:22 PM EDT
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This happened in the 30s when leftists moved to Russia. Stalin wiped them out. Ask about the Gorsky baseball team or the former Ford employees.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:10:15 PM EDT
[#26]
Democrats and libs tryna convince conservatives to leave.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:10:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gelandewagen: Propa Propa Propaganda.... So much BULL SHIT |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:15:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeSSS: Those who moved in the 20's and 30's were celebrated and after a few years liquidated. The USSR didn't want people who betrayed their home nations. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MikeSSS: Originally Posted By wyomingnick: Idiots. This has happened before back in the 1920s/30s. Not a smart idea. I can understand why some would want to leave the USA, but Russia isn't the place. Those who moved in the 20's and 30's were celebrated and after a few years liquidated. The USSR didn't want people who betrayed their home nations. Exactly. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:16:40 PM EDT
[#29]
Umm, no.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:19:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: The right are the ones saying Russia is a bastion of freedom and family values lol. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By MacManus: Originally Posted By PacNW5: I think it's safe to say that fixed. The right are the ones saying Russia is a bastion of freedom and family values lol. Sir, respectfully, you're not employing second order thinking. I do not believe these people are representative of anything other than themselves, yet the article would have you believe otherwise. Do these people represent you? The purpose of this piece is to conflate MAGA, conservatives, etc with Putin/Russia. Nothing more. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:22:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thrasymachus: The myopic glorifying of a decade in history is profoundly retarded. But hey, you do you. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thrasymachus: Originally Posted By MadMonkey: Originally Posted By Thrasymachus: I wonder if like in the 1950s they will get polio. "Ackchually, the 1950s in the USA sucked hurrhurr" *tips fedora* The myopic glorifying of a decade in history is profoundly retarded. But hey, you do you. America was never great! |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:25:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MadMonkey: America was never great! lol, yep. Too late though, I was going to vote for trump, but his post demoralized me. |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:25:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: Idiots. This has happened before back in the 1920s/30s. Not a smart idea. I can understand why some would want to leave the USA, but Russia isn't the place. Yes, happened once before and it didn't end well. Stalin became paranoid and those that had resettled in Russia didn't survive the experiment. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:27:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MacManus: Sir, respectfully, you're not employing second order thinking. I do not believe these people are representative of anything other than themselves, yet the article would have you believe otherwise. Do these people represent you? The purpose of this piece is to conflate MAGA, conservatives, etc with Putin/Russia. Nothing more. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MacManus: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: Originally Posted By MacManus: Originally Posted By PacNW5: I think it's safe to say that fixed. The right are the ones saying Russia is a bastion of freedom and family values lol. Sir, respectfully, you're not employing second order thinking. I do not believe these people are representative of anything other than themselves, yet the article would have you believe otherwise. Do these people represent you? The purpose of this piece is to conflate MAGA, conservatives, etc with Putin/Russia. Nothing more. I am, we just disagree on the goal of such an article. Considering this story is right in line with Russian propaganda- even directly from Putin's mouth and advertisements from Russian sources directed at Americans. It seems more likely that this is in fact Russian propaganda, not liberals trying to somehow associate conservatives with Russia which really serves no purpose for them, and sadly conservatives seem to do well enough on their own anyway. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:28:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RolandofGilead: I am, we just disagree on the goal of such an article. Considering this story is right in line with Russian propaganda- even directly from Putin's mouth and advertisements from Russian sources directed at Americans. It seems more likely that this is in fact Russian propaganda, not liberals trying to somehow associate conservatives with Russia which really serves no purpose for them, and sadly conservatives seem to do well enough on their own anyway. I don't think anyone is falling for the part in bold |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:31:17 PM EDT
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Sounds like a bunch of losers.
Oh well, good riddance, and enjoy getting conscripted and then blown up in Ukraine. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:31:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BSmith79: lol at some 62 year old nerd with a fantasy of marrying a hot young Russian woman and starting a family. Bet he bangs some though. 
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:32:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gelandewagen: Propa Propa Propaganda.... Yup. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:33:17 PM EDT
[#39]
The only advantage to moving to Russia would be it is one of the very few places that are large and powerful enough to not give a single flying fuck about US requests for extradition. I am pretty sure one of the J6 exiles is still in Belarus for this reason.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:33:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: RolandofGilead]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 56xdx_Z: I don't think anyone is falling for the part in bold Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 56xdx_Z: Originally Posted By RolandofGilead: I am, we just disagree on the goal of such an article. Considering this story is right in line with Russian propaganda- even directly from Putin's mouth and advertisements from Russian sources directed at Americans. It seems more likely that this is in fact Russian propaganda, not liberals trying to somehow associate conservatives with Russia which really serves no purpose for them, and sadly conservatives seem to do well enough on their own anyway. I don't think anyone is falling for the part in bold What purpose does it serve for liberals to claim MAGA's are moving to Russia. What purpose does it serve for Russia to claim MAGA's are moving to Russia. (Keeping in mind this is a well established tactic they've used many times before in slightly varying forms). You see how this is essentially the same message right?  Russian propaganda about Russians moving to the U.S… ETA - if your point is that liberals will make fun of idiot MAGA's that move to Russia then sure. The larger point is these handful of fools move to Russia in the first place because they're dumb enough to believe Russian propaganda. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:38:48 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1975: Idonbaliveit.gif Yeah, doubt factor is off the scales Creative writing |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:41:33 PM EDT
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History repeats itself.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:46:28 PM EDT
[#43]
I invite as many people as possible to go.
Please, go and then mock us for not following! You’ll prove us all wrong. It will be great! Please, please, go. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:46:38 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PacNW5: I think it’s safe to say that Russia won the info war |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:47:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAD762: Maybe @Resurrector can chime us in on what's going on in Russia. Oh, right, he went radio silent after he got there and is totally fine I'm sure. When was his last login/activity? Can mods see if he has been browsing? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:48:18 PM EDT
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Deflecting hard on the chickens coming home to roost, I see. All that "Putin is such a hunk" bullshit has left a stain that's gonna be hard to hide.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:48:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thrasymachus: Would the term kleptocracy be more agreeable to you? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thrasymachus: Originally Posted By BigBurkeyBoy: Originally Posted By Thunder900: That is just as dumb as Queers for Palestine. 'Christians' idolizing a Communist regime. Are... are you serious? Did you sleep through 1989-1991? What do you think happened during those years? God I swear the number of boomers who think Russia is still communist amazes me. Would the term kleptocracy be more agreeable to you? It’s a Kleptocracy technically…..ran by “totally not communist” former KGB agents. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:49:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MadMonkey: America was never great! Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MadMonkey: Originally Posted By Thrasymachus: Originally Posted By MadMonkey: Originally Posted By Thrasymachus: I wonder if like in the 1950s they will get polio. "Ackchually, the 1950s in the USA sucked hurrhurr" *tips fedora* The myopic glorifying of a decade in history is profoundly retarded. But hey, you do you. America was never great!  Bold doubling down on such a shitty take. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:51:09 PM EDT
[#49]
well that's some bullshit
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NE, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:53:21 PM EDT
[#50]
Fake thread is fake news.
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