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Posted: 5/1/2024 5:26:12 PM EDT
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The most important question for all of us is whether the direction of pentropy can be reversed.
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Posted: 5/1/2024 5:28:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: Currious how you would respond if you got a call for random citizen having a cheap pen stolen from random citizen. Would you "swear out a warrant for arrest for the person"? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter: Originally Posted By CouchCommando22: Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:  I'm so glad we moved away from having signed citations. People would hold my pen hostage while they lectured/cussed me. Never give them control of the citation book. I also switched from good pens to cheap pens for traffic cites. So I could just walk away. What would you have done if someone drove off with your pen? I am not being sarcastic. Genuine question If in my early days if they drove off with one of my Cross pens then I would chase the person down and retrieve it. It's MY property. Even a cheap pen is MY property. However if tomorrow I was still handwriting tickets, having to get signatures and the person PURPOSEFULLY drove off with my cheap pen. I would go back to my department, download the video, use the attached information from the citation, file a report, go see the magistrate and swear out a warrant for arrest for the person. Then one day in the future when he is driving around all smug with himself thinking how he stole that cops pen and got away with it. That running a stop sign traffic stop is going to pop a warrant for arrest. Currious how you would respond if you got a call for random citizen having a cheap pen stolen from random citizen. Would you "swear out a warrant for arrest for the person"? No. Misdemeanor theft of property case that did not happen in my presence. I would however, write a report for the victim. Instruct the victim to get a copy of the report, take it to the magistrate, give a statement to the magistrate, then if the magistrate thinks there is probable cause to make an arrest the victim can swear to affidavit to get a warrant. |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 5:29:03 PM EDT
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Probably could have stopped for the lights and siren too…
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Posted: 5/1/2024 5:31:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By linuxgnar: I'm sure if a non LEO did this it would be no big deal.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 5:32:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FoxValleyTacDriver: I steal pens on accident all the time. And people take mine. And I don't care because the .15 cents value of the pen isn't a life changing amount of money for me. Maybe for some it is. I might just be fortunate. Arfcom: I'm a multi millionaire and ten thousand dollars is of no consequence. Also arfcom: I will murder someone over one dollar. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FoxValleyTacDriver: Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter: Even a cheap pen is MY property. However if tomorrow I was still handwriting tickets, having to get signatures and the person PURPOSEFULLY drove off with my cheap pen. I would go back to my department, download the video, use the attached information from the citation, file a report, go see the magistrate and swear out a warrant for arrest for the person. Then one day in the future when he is driving around all smug with himself thinking how he stole that cops pen and got away with it. That running a stop sign traffic stop is going to pop a warrant for arrest. I steal pens on accident all the time. And people take mine. And I don't care because the .15 cents value of the pen isn't a life changing amount of money for me. Maybe for some it is. I might just be fortunate. Arfcom: I'm a multi millionaire and ten thousand dollars is of no consequence. Also arfcom: I will murder someone over one dollar. There is a difference between someone accidently retaining possession of an item such as a pen vs what happened in this case with person intentionally depriving another person of their property. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 5:33:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By C3H5N3O9: Wow, prices on those are steep. Stealing one would be a state jail felony in Texas. They definitely scream luxury though. I’d have a whole pen holder full to lend out if I was a Saudi oil prince. My old lady is a pen geek and those are her "Holy Grail" pens. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 5:43:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By delemorte: So it's cool to jack people up cause you are bored. Solid.. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By delemorte: Originally Posted By JeepersCreepers: Originally Posted By CouchCommando22: Murderers and rapists in the loose and this is how they spend their time. You should call and tell them where the murderers and rapists are. So it's cool to jack people up cause you are bored. Solid.. Don't throw your hip out making that reach. 
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Posted: 5/1/2024 5:45:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FistPeso: But he made it to home base! I bet that is actually how he broke his leg. He was sliding in and must have jammed it causing a break. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 6:31:16 PM EDT
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Maybe it a nice, engraved one his wife or mother gave him when he graduated from the academy.
If so, he'd be stupid to use it at work and certainly doesn't excuse busting somebody up like that. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 6:39:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By UV18: I agree with the comments here. Petit theft should be tolerated and nothing done to recover what was stolen. Please look up your state law and understand the $ amount for the difference between a misdemeanor and the next higher classification of crime. Then don't get made when someone steals it. ETA- Are we supposed to just ignore the chase side and him taking off from the car? GD never disappoints. This place gets worse everyday it seems. The things that happened to this guy didn’t happen because he stole a pen. That’s like saying Dexter Reed was killed because he wasn’t wearing his seatbelt. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 6:43:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama-Shooter: If in my early days if they drove off with one of my Cross pens then I would chase the person down and retrieve it. It's MY property. Even a cheap pen is MY property. However if tomorrow I was still handwriting tickets, having to get signatures and the person PURPOSEFULLY drove off with my cheap pen. I would go back to my department, download the video, use the attached information from the citation, file a report, go see the magistrate and swear out a warrant for arrest for the person. Then one day in the future when he is driving around all smug with himself thinking how he stole that cops pen and got away with it. That running a stop sign traffic stop is going to pop a warrant for arrest. And if you used force to arrest him GD would lose their minds, and call for you to lose your job, go to prison, or worse. It’s often not the initial violation, but what comes after that causes problems for people. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 6:45:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: It takes two to tango. The cop was a willing participant in the escalation. So, the police should never escalate? Just let people do whatever, and just walk away? I get that it’s a pen, and many of you seem to be hung up on that. How much does something have to be worth before the police should care about it being stolen? |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 6:50:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kozaki: Dude, that already happens. "Go online and fill in the form to get a report number for your insurance claim. No, we won't send an officer to your location. Good-bye. " Is the thief still there, do you know who it is? I would absolutely have someone respond to a petit theft if it was reasonable the stolen item could be retrieved, or the thief could be arrested. I get that some of you may live somewhere shitty, but it isn’t that way everywhere. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 6:52:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mew: Yep, $3 box of pens now $3 million civil lawsuit for pain and suffering with permanent injury. Brilliant move, and the Chief supports it!!! Damn that's dumb shit right there........ I guarantee this guy won’t get 3 million or even close to it. They might give him 25k to go away, but that’s determined by lots of different factors. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 6:52:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GenoGS: So, the police should never escalate? Just let people do whatever, and just walk away? I get that it’s a pen, and many of you seem to be hung up on that. How much does something have to be worth before the police should care about it being stolen? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GenoGS: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: It takes two to tango. The cop was a willing participant in the escalation. So, the police should never escalate? Just let people do whatever, and just walk away? I get that it’s a pen, and many of you seem to be hung up on that. How much does something have to be worth before the police should care about it being stolen? When we have police in this country that don't care at all when $1,000 walks out of a store or when a house is robbed we get a little testy over a person having their leg broken for a pen. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 6:53:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Are you suggesting that the officer had no control over the escallation of the interaction? If someone refuses to be arrested what do you expect the police to do? |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 6:54:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: Currious how you would respond if you got a call for random citizen having a cheap pen stolen from random citizen. Would you "swear out a warrant for arrest for the person"? I can’t answer for Bama, but I would absolutely take that report if they knew who the suspect was, and were willing to go to court 2–3 times to get it taken care of. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 6:55:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scotchymcdrinkerbean: It's a Space Pen, Jerry! It writes upside down! |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 6:55:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Creatyre: So some other cop ends up having to tase him and ultimately break his legs while he resists and GD can make a thread about it. The circle of life.  My thoughts exactly. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 6:56:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CouchCommando22: It has nothing to do with the constant excessive force and total disregard of the Bill of Rights. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CouchCommando22: Originally Posted By Abrenneman: I would say it’s more of a parenting issue that created that divide. Dude played a game and lost. Actions have consequences. Don’t be a snarky punk then cry about it. It has nothing to do with the constant excessive force and total disregard of the Bill of Rights. Encounters generally go as smooth or as bumpy as the person decides to make them. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 6:56:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KingNine: A good pen is highly appreciated. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 6:57:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jhereg: It's a point though. People will put a pen in their pocket or hold it in their hand without meaning to. I've seen it many times over the years. To the point where I started using pens w/ caps instead of click pens. They seem to look at the pen w/o a cap w/ a "wtf am I supposed to do w/ this" when they're done and hand it back most of the time instead of accidently keeping it. Having worked in a retail environment I have seen the migration of pens as people take them or even leave them. Is that what happened in this case? |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 6:58:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GenoGS: If someone refuses to be arrested what do you expect the police to do? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GenoGS: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Are you suggesting that the officer had no control over the escallation of the interaction? If someone refuses to be arrested what do you expect the police to do? We've seen that if a woman calls the police chief she can not only drive to her house, she can refuse to come to the back of her SUV, and even go into her house while a cop does nothing but follow her like a puppy. Why didn't the cop do that here? |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 6:58:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: Interesting that us peons aren't allowed to use deadly force to protect property, but cops can to protect a disposable pen. That’s not what happened here, and continuing to say it only makes you a liar. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 6:59:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GenoGS: That’s not what happened here, and continuing to say it only makes you a liar. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GenoGS: Originally Posted By Imzadi: Interesting that us peons aren't allowed to use deadly force to protect property, but cops can to protect a disposable pen. That’s not what happened here, and continuing to say it only makes you a liar. The person that I replied to said that he was allowed to use any level of force needed. Any level of force includes deadly. So why don't you sit in the corner until you learn to read. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 7:03:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: When we have police in this country that don't care at all when $1,000 walks out of a store or when a house is robbed we get a little testy over a person having their leg broken for a pen. Are the police there when the theft occurred? Based on the chief’s statement I’m going to go out on a limb and say none of the police in that jurisdiction are letting a person walk out of a store after stealing anything. That’s a misrepresentation. His leg was not broken over a pen. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 7:06:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: We've seen that if a woman calls the police chief she can not only drive to her house, she can refuse to come to the back of her SUV, and even go into her house while a cop does nothing but follow her like a puppy. Why didn't the cop do that here? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: Originally Posted By GenoGS: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Are you suggesting that the officer had no control over the escallation of the interaction? If someone refuses to be arrested what do you expect the police to do? We've seen that if a woman calls the police chief she can not only drive to her house, she can refuse to come to the back of her SUV, and even go into her house while a cop does nothing but follow her like a puppy. Why didn't the cop do that here? That irrelevant, just answer the question. Either the police can use force to affect an arrest or they can’t. I’m pretty sure I know what you think, and I know what the courts think, and they aren’t the same. |
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OK, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 7:09:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: The person that I replied to said that he was allowed to use any level of force needed. Any level of force includes deadly. So why don't you sit in the corner until you learn to read. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: Originally Posted By GenoGS: Originally Posted By Imzadi: Interesting that us peons aren't allowed to use deadly force to protect property, but cops can to protect a disposable pen. That’s not what happened here, and continuing to say it only makes you a liar. The person that I replied to said that he was allowed to use any level of force needed. Any level of force includes deadly. So why don't you sit in the corner until you learn to read. The cops did not use force to “protect a disposable pen” which is what you said they can do. That is a lie. They used force to affect an arrest. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 7:14:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GenoGS: That irrelevant, just answer the question. Either the police can use force to affect an arrest or they can’t. I’m pretty sure I know what you think, and I know what the courts think, and they aren’t the same. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GenoGS: Originally Posted By Imzadi: Originally Posted By GenoGS: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Are you suggesting that the officer had no control over the escallation of the interaction? If someone refuses to be arrested what do you expect the police to do? We've seen that if a woman calls the police chief she can not only drive to her house, she can refuse to come to the back of her SUV, and even go into her house while a cop does nothing but follow her like a puppy. Why didn't the cop do that here? That irrelevant, just answer the question. Either the police can use force to affect an arrest or they can’t. I’m pretty sure I know what you think, and I know what the courts think, and they aren’t the same. The police can use force that is commiserate with the crime at question. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 7:14:54 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillyDBerger: Plenty in GD support deadly force for misdemeanors. Or less.... |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 7:15:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GenoGS: The cops did not use force to “protect a disposable pen” which is what you said they can do. That is a lie. They used force to affect an arrest. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GenoGS: Originally Posted By Imzadi: Originally Posted By GenoGS: Originally Posted By Imzadi: Interesting that us peons aren't allowed to use deadly force to protect property, but cops can to protect a disposable pen. That’s not what happened here, and continuing to say it only makes you a liar. The person that I replied to said that he was allowed to use any level of force needed. Any level of force includes deadly. So why don't you sit in the corner until you learn to read. The cops did not use force to “protect a disposable pen” which is what you said they can do. That is a lie. They used force to affect an arrest. An arrest for what? |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 7:19:50 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GenoGS: My thoughts exactly. Please keep posting such. The mundane citizens need to see the difference of us having to let burglars run down the street with a flat screen and the blue squad enforcing over a pen. Especially after the summer of love, covid and floyd. Thanks in advance. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 7:27:57 PM EDT
[#33]
Pics of pen?
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Posted: 5/1/2024 7:28:27 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamPo: WTF?!? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamPo: Originally Posted By Abrenneman: I would say it’s more of a parenting issue that created that divide. Dude played a game and lost. Actions have consequences. Don’t be a snarky punk then cry about it. WTF?!? First time experiencing a bootlicker? |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 7:35:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Beltfed308]
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GenoGS: The cops did not use force to “protect a disposable pen” which is what you said they can do. That is a lie. They used force to affect an arrest. At some point a stick of gum or a pen should resonate some form of whether the juice is worth the squeeze, congratulations, blue squad for 1.84 US you just made another groundbreaking leap with gravity. I sure hope that pen that was only being used strictly for official business and nothing else, is held to the same level of enforcement by the department. You wouldn't knowingly misuse official issued and apparently sensitive equipment now would you? |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 7:47:13 PM EDT
[#36]
Damn. He cared way more about that pen than the police cared when one of our work vehicles was stolen.
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Posted: 5/1/2024 7:50:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: The person that I replied to said that he was allowed to use any level of force needed. Any level of force includes deadly. So why don't you sit in the corner until you learn to read. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: Originally Posted By GenoGS: Originally Posted By Imzadi: Interesting that us peons aren't allowed to use deadly force to protect property, but cops can to protect a disposable pen. That’s not what happened here, and continuing to say it only makes you a liar. The person that I replied to said that he was allowed to use any level of force needed. Any level of force includes deadly. So why don't you sit in the corner until you learn to read. Enough. Let's end this here. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 7:53:35 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GenoGS: So, the police should never escalate? Just let people do whatever, and just walk away? I get that it’s a pen, and many of you seem to be hung up on that. How much does something have to be worth before the police should care about it being stolen? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GenoGS: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: It takes two to tango. The cop was a willing participant in the escalation. So, the police should never escalate? Just let people do whatever, and just walk away? I get that it’s a pen, and many of you seem to be hung up on that. How much does something have to be worth before the police should care about it being stolen? Do you actually think that I said police should never escalate? Because if so, the problem in this communication is you. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 7:55:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Imzadi]
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scuba_steve: Enough. Let's end this here. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By scuba_steve: Originally Posted By Imzadi: Originally Posted By GenoGS: Originally Posted By Imzadi: Interesting that us peons aren't allowed to use deadly force to protect property, but cops can to protect a disposable pen. That’s not what happened here, and continuing to say it only makes you a liar. The person that I replied to said that he was allowed to use any level of force needed. Any level of force includes deadly. So why don't you sit in the corner until you learn to read. Enough. Let's end this here. Because it makes this particular cop look unhinged? |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 7:55:31 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AA717driver: He disrespected the cop. Bad things were bound to follow. Gotta respect his authorituh… Can't believe it took six posts to get to this. 
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Posted: 5/1/2024 7:58:53 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GenoGS: And if you used force to arrest him GD would lose their minds, and call for you to lose your job, go to prison, or worse. It’s often not the initial violation, but what comes after that causes problems for people. GD is entertainment. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 7:59:06 PM EDT
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USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 7:59:16 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama-Shooter: GD is entertainment. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bama-Shooter: Originally Posted By GenoGS: And if you used force to arrest him GD would lose their minds, and call for you to lose your job, go to prison, or worse. It’s often not the initial violation, but what comes after that causes problems for people. GD is entertainment. So are police videos.  Cops Ask Woman to Kick-in her Ex-Boyfriend's Front Door! ALL HELL Breaks Loose |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 8:09:01 PM EDT
[#44]
Can someone make a poll of who/what is the best pen
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IN, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 8:10:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/1/2024 8:18:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Piratepast40]
[#46]
I'm trying to find an instructor and law enforcement input for a 2-3 hour course on situational awareness, threat assessment and avoidance, and how to exit a situation or area. The concept is predicated on the increase of gun violence in the city and the lack of action by the city. I was pretty disappointed by law enforcement response. It ranged from not providing input because of liability, stating that they would rather have people stay and be good witnesses, to puffery and the fact that their world class knowledge is too refined for civilians to understand.
This thread shows some of the same arrogant BS that I'm hearing locally. We've got riots popping off, increased general levels of violence, increased crime, and the cops are willing to escalate an encounter with a shitbag smart ass to breaking his leg over a freaking ink pen. Yet we ask for help in letting moms and grandmothers recognize and get out of trouble before they get trapped in it, and we get that we're either too stupid or the cops would rather you get closer to the shooting so you can be a witness. You can't make this shit up! |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/1/2024 8:19:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: phungus]
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GGF: But we like Georgia Troopers when they're beating up college hippies!?! /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/200-816.gif 
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Posted: 5/1/2024 8:20:07 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: Interesting that us peons aren't allowed to use deadly force to protect property, but cops can to protect a disposable pen. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: Originally Posted By Norinco982lover: How many of you commenting in this thread are a police officer who have had someone try to steal your pen on a traffic stop? I am. This lady was upset for getting a ticket for her several months expired registration and when I handed her a pen to sign the ticket she wouldn’t give it back. The conversation went like: Her: give me my license Me: give me my pen Her: it’s just a pen Me: it’s department property We went back and forth like this for a full minute or so before she finally gave the pen back, I gave her the ticket and her license and she went on her merry way. I absolutely would have been able to legally arrest her for committing the crime of theft in my presence. If you resist arrest, I am able to use whatever force is necessary to effect the arrest. I would argue that I had a duty to recover the pen as it was issued to me and not my property to give away. Interesting that us peons aren't allowed to use deadly force to protect property, but cops can to protect a disposable pen. Deadly force wouldn’t be used to protect the pen. Deadly force would be used to effect an arrest if the suspect offered great bodily harm or deadly force resistance. You wrote the laws. You then paid your taxes so I could be paid to enforce them. You’re also liable if I screw up. It’s a twisted game man. How the world works. |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 8:25:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Norinco982lover: Deadly force wouldn’t be used to protect the pen. Deadly force would be used to effect an arrest if the suspect offered great bodily harm or deadly force resistance. You wrote the laws. You then paid your taxes so I could be paid to enforce them. You’re also liable if I screw up. It’s a twisted game man. How the world works. Well those laws are changing. How’s that working out for you? |
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Posted: 5/1/2024 8:26:13 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: So are police videos.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh47TVF5aNkQuote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter: Originally Posted By GenoGS: And if you used force to arrest him GD would lose their minds, and call for you to lose your job, go to prison, or worse. It’s often not the initial violation, but what comes after that causes problems for people. GD is entertainment. So are police videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gh47TVF5aNkClassic example. Video has nothing to do with this thread. Post some random cop video from millions of cop encounters, probably already a GD thread related to said video.  |
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