Originally Posted By ramairthree:
Hold on-

There must be more going on than the video shows.

She was moaning, moving, breathing, …
And had a pulse but with low blood pressure…

But they are suing for not doing CPR?

Where is the video where she is not making noise or breathing and does not have a pulse and them not doing CPR?

Originally Posted By sandboxmedic:



Nursing homes, even the expensive ones, tend to be the dregs of the medical community (no offense to the few good people who work in that field, I certainly couldn't do it).  It was always kind of a running joke that nobody died in a nursing home (more paperwork and more chance of getting investigated), they died in the care of EMS or at the hospital.  The crap you'd see would blow your mind.  First, you expect to run more calls to nursing facilities early Sunday morning.  Why?  Because the staff knows more families will stop by after church to take their family member off the storage shelf and play with them say hello to the family member stuck in a living hell living out their last days there.  So the staff goes around and everyone who has bed sores and other issues suddenly needs to go to the hospital and the family is told they were "doing fine until last night" so since we care so much we called EMS to take them to the hospital, even though the problem obviously didn't just start.  Some of them you'd walk in or get off the elevator and you'd see one of the staff signaling to the others to start CPR so they could say they'd been doing it all along and we'd have to transport (luckily standing orders have changed over the years to allow for cessation of efforts).  It was common to find them doing "CPR" on a dead body, on the bed with no CPR board (so no hard surface underneath to compress against), no meds and/or compromised airway, feeding pumps that had been forgotten about so the patient's feeding tube had backed up and they'd aspirated their liquid diet (guaranteeing aspiration pneumonia), "Oh they just fell out of bed" but the bruise is older than that, and on and on.  

I got a day off because the head nurse at one facility complained that I'd stopped CPR and pronounced their patient dead because it was Christmas morning and I obviously wanted to go home.  Well yeah, it was a late call and I did want to go home but the hospital was practically next door so that wasn't really a big deal.  The fact that the patient had rigor and was being bounced up and down on a still inflated bed was why I called them.  I didn't bother to run a strip (ECG) since there were obvious signs of death, primarily rigor mortis but no vitals, pupils fixed and dilated, etc, but because the nurse raised so much hell our director decided I got a day off.  That facility was so bad that anytime they'd call we'd automatically start a supervisor en route as a backup.  Needless to say everyone, even crispy critters, a bag of mush (jumper) and a decapitation got an ECG strip after that.  

Seriously, I'd greatly prefer someone shoot me in the head before sticking me in a nursing home.

Originally Posted By callgood:
Let's say an inmate attacks one of the medical staff.

Originally Posted By ramairthree:
Hold on-

There must be more going on than the video shows.

She was moaning, moving, breathing, …
And had a pulse but with low blood pressure…

But they are suing for not doing CPR?

Where is the video where she is not making noise or breathing and does not have a pulse and them not doing CPR?

Originally Posted By ramairthree:


I’m not disputing any of that.  

I’m saying they have a video of people on the phone with EMS trying to get help and saying stuff like she had a seizure, she has a pulse but I can’t get a blood pressure, etc. and want to sue them for not doing CPR.

I was expecting a video of people standing around not doing CPR on someone with no pulse.

Not redshirts standing around with no idea coach just put them on the travel team as starters.

Originally Posted By jsnappa:


When the 911 operator asked if the victim was breathing, the nurse said no.  
Her mistaken belief that the lady had a pulse and was having a “seizure” is irrelevant when considering a proper response to the victim’s condition.  They were watching her die until the friend showed up and started CPR.

Even the door greeter at Walmart would have had an AED hooked up long before the moron was befuddled by zero blood pressure.

Originally Posted By jsnappa:


When the 911 operator asked if the victim was breathing, the nurse said no.  
Her mistaken belief that the lady had a pulse and was having a “seizure” is irrelevant when considering a proper response to the victim’s condition.  They were watching her die until the friend showed up and started CPR.

Even the door greeter at Walmart would have had an AED hooked up long before the moron was befuddled by zero blood pressure.

Originally Posted By Scollins:
WtF?  That's ridiculous.

Oh, and if you have cancer (fuck cancer BTW!), I wouldn't go to that facility.  They are clearly not qualified to do anything in the medical field.

Originally Posted By dangerranger61007:
That's nuts. It happened on the job and doesn't seem she was grossly out of shape and brought on by shitty lifestyle choices. Probably forced her to get vaccinated as well.

I've had two ER bill claims denied. One when someone hep C positive got blood all over my arm and gloves. Cracked up hands were covered, but the blood was there awhile before I could clean myself.  Said no open wounds were exposed, claim denied.

Other was hep C positive person got some spit in my eye.  Claim denied, can't be transmitted through saliva in the eye. How the fuck am I supposed to know that when I'm not in the medical field?

At least these were just ER bills for a doctor to say I had nothing to worry about. Being in her/her family's shoes would make me livid.

Originally Posted By Master_Blaster:
Sociopathy isn't as rare as most would think. A lot of people don't have a moral compass.

Originally Posted By dangerranger61007:
That's nuts. It happened on the job and doesn't seem she was grossly out of shape and brought on by shitty lifestyle choices. Probably forced her to get vaccinated as well.

I've had two ER bill claims denied. One when someone hep C positive got blood all over my arm and gloves. Cracked up hands were covered, but the blood was there awhile before I could clean myself.  Said no open wounds were exposed, claim denied.

Other was hep C positive person got some spit in my eye.  Claim denied, can't be transmitted through saliva in the eye. How the fuck am I supposed to know that when I'm not in the medical field?

At least these were just ER bills for a doctor to say I had nothing to worry about. Being in her/her family's shoes would make me livid.

Originally Posted By 20229mm:

She had no pulse.  They didn’t properly assess her and failed to perform early cpr as a result.

Originally Posted By RevolverRO:
Last hospital I worked at, a nurse collapsed in the nursing station during shift change, unit manager said we couldn't help her because she wasn't a patient, they had to summon a ACT team from two floors down.   (Nurse ended up being okay).