Now here's a man who really gets it.

This thread turned into a fucking horror movie

Damn. The girls are all spun up.

It's like watching white people checking out that noise in the woods in a Friday the 13th movie. You know what's gonna happen, but you watch anyway.

Your problem is that you are a fucking quitter and a defeatist and have been all your life. You aren't capable of doing anything to effect a positive change because of your life's history.

You didn't listen to the recruiter. You gave up trying to overcome that initial denial at MEPS and simply accepted defeat. You still post this kind of crap:



You gave up a long time ago, like many others, and it's because of people such as yourself that the country is where it is. You have no self respect and no sense that you can actually change the tide. Simply put, you're a quitter. That makes you a lesser man than daemon or anybody else who doesn't throw in the towel and so eagerly accept defeat.

What you can do is change yourself, first, then work to change the world around you. Instead, you have long accepted defeat and have allowed your life to become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Quit being a pathetic loser who just accepts the taste of a shit sandwich, making excuses for why you have to eat it.

LOL.

I only limp if I over-exert it when hiking/running. Its weird that other forms of leg exercises don't cause cramping... and I dont know why.

I can still cycle without issue. I can push myself as hard as I can, and that calf muscle never starts to cramp. It does not affect it at all. I can do squats. I can do all sorts of lifting. But for whatever reason, running and hiking up an incline, especially with any weight on my back... causes severe cramping and eventually muscle failure. No matter how hard I push myself with other forms of exercise... I never face any limitations caused by my injury. Just when hiking/running.

It's more like WWE.

Movies usually don't clap back at the peanut gallery, no matter how much heckling they do.

Run out of meds?

Not on any meds, at all, sugar tits.

Some people have been coddled entirely too long and need a slap of tough love to pull their head out of their ass. Part of the problem with this country is doing so was painted as being mean or unhinged.

Usually watching daemon734 match wits with someone is like watching an MMA fighter pummel the shit out a 1st grader. It's brutal.

So what is the better shield? Service?
Or your computer screen?

My wife would not be on board with that. Likely it would require uprooting my entire family... and at this stage in life, for what? To appease people on the internet, who insist I should not be allowed to vote, or have an opinion of the US government unless I serve in the military for 4 years or more?

Well I do get that. Perhaps though it's less important to some people on a personal level. And that's ok.
No one is lesser because they didn't enlist whether they never tried or didn't continue to try after being rejected at first hurdle.

LOL.  Your new screenname should be "excuse-king-AR15"

I beg to differ.  Read some of the stories about guys getting into the military at 15 years old after pearl harbor.  Those are the people you want fighting wars, not fast quitters who can't get shit done.  
Adversity doesn't just build character, it also reveals it.  

So I should join the military. Potentially get moved across country, against my wife's wishes... potentially wreck my marriage and fuck up my kid's life... just to appease you? Fuck off.
I've since moved on with my life. Why is that such a horrible crime?

You really think I should fuck up my entire family's life, uproot them with zero consideration for how it would affect them... for no other reason than to "prove myself" to someone on the internet?
Besides... did *YOU* serve in the military? If you didn't, I dont see how you have any leg to stand on to criticize me for not joining if you didn't.

I agree with you those are the kind of people you want fighting wars, but I'm not sure you understood my point fully.

My point was no one is lesser of a person because the military wasn't important enough to them to pursue aggressively after initial rejection. Or never pursuing it at all for that matter.

There's many ways to be a productive responsible person.

You haven't moved on because you're defending yourself to strangers on the internet because you can't accept the truth.  

And there it is.  
Not only did I, but I took a picture of your chance to live your dream.  See that sunset?  It's setting just like your chances to live your dreams.  
I was old, I took a pay cut, and I told the woman she could come with or not because I decided I wanted to be a pilot.  All those things you claim you can't do, I did them.

The military isn't for everybody.  If you'd just admit that the military wasn't for you rather than trying to blame everything under the sun (except for yourself) it wouldn't be a big deal.  
Your case is the streisand effect - the more you talk the more attention you draw.  

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There sure is. Most people don't do those either.

Nobody gives a shit you didn't serve.

But let's be honest.  It's a pretty low barrier to entry, and you couldn't even meet that standard.  And then you have the gall to make excuses about it, and then sit back and whine about the institution you weren't even qualified to join.  All while criticizing people with much more significant impediments than you, who still found a way to serve.

That's what is rubbing people the wrong way.

Hey, he only lost all of 3rd grade--not needed for teh Army.

I never shit on anyone for a lack of service.

I shit on quitters who not only make excuses about why they quit,  but then turn around and talk shit about exactly what they tried to do and quit.

If that sounds extremely specific, it's meant to.  The weird part is that this specific demographic is surprisingly in the plural on this board.

I'm extremely emotionally invested in every post I make.

It's democrat propaganda, and yes, you absolutely fell for it.

You are a Democrat IO planners wet dream.

Read the first couple pages then jumped to the last.

Now I'm not even sure what is going on in this thread.

Ill summarize it for you... you're not allowed to criticize the US Government for falling recruitment numbers unless you've served in the military.

Or if you're a conservative continue to hide on your rural spread while muttering "not one more inch".

Either or works.

I don't think less of someone who doesn't serve in the military. Heck, my Dad, my older brother, and my brother's husband were all in the Air Force and I still respect them. (My older brother, a retired USAF M/Sgt is quite fond of saying that the USAF is an honorable alternative to military service.) (For those in the back, that was a joke if you didn't catch it.)

What I don't respect is someone with a defeatist attitude who gives up and quits. You can see it in PatiotAR15's attempt to join the Navy and in how he feels about the Nation. He's met with resistance and just gives up, accepting that he'll never be able to change things.

Conservatives gave up the media, education, and politics to the liberals over the last several generations. Now, they're willingly doing it to the military. Yet, those same people who gave up those institutions to the left are the ones bitching the most about the fact that the left has taken them over. They were taken over because of the apathetic, defeatist attitudes of quitters.

I was diagnosed with Stage 3 Testicular Cancer the day after I completed the 12-mile road march necessary to graduate from the U.S. Army's Air Assault School. My body was literally trying to kill me as I did that road march and my left nut was the size of a baseball. I could have quit and nobody would likely have blamed me. I didn't, though. In fact, I helped motivate a young ROTC cadet from MI whose butt was getting kicked by the heat and humidity and we crossed the finish line together. I was a PV2/E-2 the day I was diagnosed. I underwent two surgeries and 81 days of chemo. I could have easily requested a med board and left the Army. I didn't, though. Instead, I was eventually promoted to Sergeant/E-5, deployed to both Kosovo and Afghanistan, and attempted to join 1st SOFD-D (yeah, that's Delta Force) before the asthma I'd developed after chemo finally got the better of me and I had to accept a med board in late summer 2002. I would have made Staff Sergeant/E-6, except I declined orders back to Germany in part so I could deploy to Afghanistan in January 2002 and was, therefore, ineligible for promotion.

There are absolutely other ways to be a productive member of society and many of them are quite honorable. Heck, being a working class taxpayer is a perfectly fine way to live your life. You don't have to be a cop, fireman, dispatcher, politician, scout troop leader, or crazy, horse-loving, redheaded nurse to be a good citizen.

But when all you do is piss and moan about how everything has gone to shit while you did nothing to prevent it, you're not going to get much respect from me. I don't respect quitters.

Other than criticize, what have you done to stop the spread of the diseases you blame for the downfall of society?

Became purse swinging thread - but you already guessed that.

So if I had joined the military... gotten the same kind of job I'm working at now... but instead for the military... would that somehow "count"? Because you seem to imply that having the US military as the signer of your check... would satisfy your demand that I "do something".

And frankly... their motivation matters. Someone who joins the military but doesn't give a fuck about it, and its just a job for him... is really not that different from someone who just goes and works for the post office.
Or are you going to sing the praises of the "Communism will win" Air Cadet?

If merely having a job that provides some kind of service to our country or community counts... then I've definitely done that.

Let's not forget those mid-level Os and NCOs that see the writing on the wall and know that continued service is not within their goals anymore. Feeling betrayed by the higher ups and organization they once loved so dearly.

As they say, you either die a hero, or live long enough to... yeah

FWIW, I agree Conservatives should still join the military. Problem is, once you reach a certain rank,... the hierarchy becomes more and more political and less meritocratic. At least thats what I've heard from other people on this forum who have served.


The US Government should stop demonizing nationalism and patriotism, and stop bashing Conservatives as "White nationalists" and "Racists" simply for caring about the Constitution or caring about their rights or for not being onboard this disgusting transgender ideology bullshit.

Cool.  You have a job.  Might even pay taxes too.

You avoided his question like it was a recruiter.

Maybe I just dont want to doxx myself?
Maybe I just dont want to talk about my personal life, because I've seen people on this forum have internet people fuck with them in their personal life... because they made the mistake of doxxing themselves to prove a point.

I will readily admit, I haven't done enough and I should do more.

You even manage to weasel out of answering a direct and simple question.  
You also simply stop responding to people when you run out of “outs”.  

You live in a fantasyland where you hide the truth in the shadows and skillfully evade anything that might cause cracks in your carefully constructed false reality.  

I never said you had to join the military. My point all along has been that your not listening to the advice given to you then and not trying to get a waiver prior to having been shot are early indications of your apparent lifelong habit of giving up on the country. You've accepted that the Globohomos have destroyed America. Rather than resist, you offer excuses. You're obviously upset about the direction the country has taken, but you seem to just accept that it's outside your ability to do anything about it. Once again, you've given up without having put up a fight. In my eyes, it's the giving up without a fight which makes you less of a man, not your lack of military service.

Whining about the institution? I was criticizing the US Government.
Or are you talking about my criticism of General Milley!? I'm pretty sure anyone, in their right mind... should call out Milley regardless of their personal background. That turd made assurances to China, that he would have warned them if we attacked them. How was that not treason? But then again, you hate Trump and everyone who votes for him. So your opinion on that matter is biased.

In what manner, can I reasonably resist whats happening in the country? Attend protests? Write my congressmen? Call congressmen? Spread the message to people in my circle? I've done some of that. I could have done more. I should do more.  I'm more than open to suggestions of what CAN be done.

I got shot in the stomach and pistol whipped in the head, causing probably a 10" scar after surgery.

Potato potato.

Alternate summary: guys who failed to join the military for various reasons go hard claiming that anyone in now is dying for globohomo, then get dunked on repeatedly.

Don't make this about me kiddo.  I'm just telling you like it is.

Some people would make up something like bone spurs as an excuse to avoid service.  Some wouldn't.

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I wouldn't call going overseas to defend Taiwan "dying for GloboHomo". I hate China, and if they kick things off... we have a legit alliance with Taiwan and I support defending them.
I want China to get their ass kicked.
I am saying that dying for GloboHomo is basically what they're advertising. If the US government puts out messaging stating that America is fighting for a global future, and for increased sexual degeneracy..... why would any one who's normal respond positively to that?

nailed it!

Would you want to fight alongside someone with bone spurs? I know I wouldn't.

I think he’s more of an Admiral Asthma guy.

Well good thing we have you as the arbiter to tell us what is an acceptable cause to fight for and what isn't!  Otherwise I might make a mistake and back a play not supported by our resident alpha male super patriot.

Okay I laughed.