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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:28:01 AM EDT
Composting here because it didn’t seem to fit anywhere else.
Did Brownells discontinue the 16” 5.56 BRN180? I’ve been looking around on the net and can’t seem to fund a complete rifle anywhere. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:30:07 AM EDT
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It’s news to me that they ever sold it as a complete rifle. I thought you always had to piece it together.
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:30:10 AM EDT
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I wasn't aware they made a complete rifle version of the BRN-180. I did pick up a couple of uppers. A 5.56 and a 300 BLK. They are well made and worth the price.
Gonna subscribe to see where this goes. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:56:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: stiglitz_actual]
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They don't sell complete rifles
They did discontinue their branded lowers, rumored because the manufacturer went out of business Now you can get either an ADM or FM lower w/ picatinny rear https://www.brownells.com/the-trigger-times/guns--gear/brownells-brn-180-line/ brn-180 thread 
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Posted: 5/14/2024 11:16:53 AM EDT
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Huh didn’t know that. Mine was a gift so no clue they didn’t sell em complete or what it’s worth.
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Posted: 5/14/2024 11:27:28 AM EDT
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That's a nice setup!
Should've bought a couple of the retro lowers when they were available  |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 12:22:15 PM EDT
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This one may be leaving me, either at $1.00 or at $10,000, No clue which one
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Posted: 5/14/2024 12:26:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stiglitz_actual: They don't sell complete rifles They did discontinue their branded lowers, rumored because the manufacturer went out of business Now you can get either an ADM or FM lower w/ picatinny rear https://www.brownells.com/the-trigger-times/guns--gear/brownells-brn-180-line/ brn-180 thread https://distortion.io/i/IMG_8875.jpg 
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Posted: 5/14/2024 12:29:13 PM EDT
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Now if only they’d make em in stamped steel.
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Posted: 5/14/2024 12:30:19 PM EDT
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I wanted to build one soon but since they discontinued their lowers, the costs have skyrocketed. The aftermarket lowers are way more expensive than the branded lowers were.
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:49:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beitodesstrafe: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/138374/20230113_144150-2670598.jpg why doesn't your brn180 get waifu grips and a stendo?? |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:53:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stiglitz_actual: why doesn't your brn180 get waifu grips and a stendo?? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stiglitz_actual: Originally Posted By beitodesstrafe: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/138374/20230113_144150-2670598.jpg why doesn't your brn180 get waifu grips and a stendo?? 
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Posted: 5/14/2024 3:07:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stiglitz_actual: They don't sell complete rifles They did discontinue their branded lowers, rumored because the manufacturer went out of business Now you can get either an ADM or FM lower w/ picatinny rear ] I just used a HERA SFU adapter and a regular lower on mine…  |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 4:46:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lothbrok: I wanted to build one soon but since they discontinued their lowers, the costs have skyrocketed. The aftermarket lowers are way more expensive than the branded lowers were. Really, what is the ballpark for an all brownells gun? Any ideas? |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 4:49:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2024 4:49:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ghostface]
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That sucks about their lowers not being available, I wished I would have bought two more because I have builds planned but not if I can’t get an original looking lower….
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:01:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: stiglitz_actual]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: How do they compare to the PSA Jakl? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/IMG_8898_png-3214339.JPG lighter and less recoil - short-stroke piston vs long on the jakl brn180 upper drops onto any milspec lower, jakl requires modified bolt catch and installation of a little buffer piece where the buffer tube would normally be nothing against the jakl, I plan to pickup a couple this year too |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:05:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 53gunner: Really, what is the ballpark for an all brownells gun? Any ideas? Do they still have uppers listed? Figure $200-$300 for the lower maybe? It’s all subjective. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:11:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: stiglitz_actual]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 53gunner: Really, what is the ballpark for an all brownells gun? Any ideas? The base uppers were around $800 and stripped lowers were around $150 when I bought - prices have gone up since Depending on which coupons and/or holiday sales you got in on, might've been able to shave off a couple hundred total |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 9:26:28 AM EDT
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I went on Brownell's and looked for a lower configured for the BRN-180. I was curious what options are available. Here is one by ADM specifically made for the BRN-180 uppers. Price doesn't seem too far out of line.
https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/rifle-parts/rifle-receivers-parts/uic-180-stripped-lower-ambi-receiver-5d02da41/ |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 9:30:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beitodesstrafe: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/138374/20230113_144150-2670598.jpg @beitodesstrafe What wall mount product line is that? |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 9:34:16 AM EDT
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 Attached FileI'm glad I got mine when they were available. I like the looks of the BRN lower, even despite the fake spot welds. It's been a fun upper, very slim and light weight. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 9:35:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: @beitodesstrafe What wall mount product line is that? @towerofpower94 The pegboard is just part of the work bench. What's behind it is wallcontrol panels. 
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Posted: 5/16/2024 9:36:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: towerofpower94]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beitodesstrafe: @towerofpower94 The pegboard is just part of the work bench. What's behind it is wallcontrol panels. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/138374/20240516_093253-3215600.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beitodesstrafe: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: @beitodesstrafe What wall mount product line is that? @towerofpower94 The pegboard is just part of the work bench. What's behind it is wallcontrol panels. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/138374/20240516_093253-3215600.jpg That's what I was talking about. Thank you ETA: guessing you went with their "industrial pegboard" line? |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 9:42:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: That's what I was talking about. Thank you ETA: guessing you went with their "industrial pegboard" line? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By beitodesstrafe: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: @beitodesstrafe What wall mount product line is that? @towerofpower94 The pegboard is just part of the work bench. What's behind it is wallcontrol panels. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/138374/20240516_093253-3215600.jpg That's what I was talking about. Thank you ETA: guessing you went with their "industrial pegboard" line? Nope, just the standard stuff. Amazon has decent prices on it. The standard is plenty heavy duty. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 9:45:06 AM EDT
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I've got an all brownells 18" with a folding stock and retro grip that I've never shot, maybe it needs to find a new home.
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Posted: 5/16/2024 9:47:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beitodesstrafe: Nope, just the standard stuff. Amazon has decent prices on it. The standard is plenty heavy duty. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beitodesstrafe: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By beitodesstrafe: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: @beitodesstrafe What wall mount product line is that? @towerofpower94 The pegboard is just part of the work bench. What's behind it is wallcontrol panels. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/138374/20240516_093253-3215600.jpg That's what I was talking about. Thank you ETA: guessing you went with their "industrial pegboard" line? Nope, just the standard stuff. Amazon has decent prices on it. The standard is plenty heavy duty. You're a scholar and a gentleman. Now back to the BRN-180. If they made a 6-8" barreled 300BO upper I'd be all over it. I wanted to like the JAKL, since I already have an SBR'd lower with a pic rail plug and MI folder for my AR22 upper, but the JAKL isn't really plug and play. You have to add the bits to the back of the lower receiver for the JAKL uppers, and then it won't take a standard upper. They need a really short, designed for subs only, 300BO BRN-180 upper. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 10:06:19 AM EDT
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I always heard that pistons and subsonic 300s didn't work well together?
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Posted: 5/16/2024 10:21:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ghetto: I've got an all brownells 18" with a folding stock and retro grip that I've never shot, maybe it needs to find a new home. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/64854/98cd83d1-57df-40ed-a306-9db23d89b696_jpg-3215605.JPG Same (but 16" lol), mine just went to GB as well |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 10:23:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beitodesstrafe: @towerofpower94 The pegboard is just part of the work bench. What's behind it is wallcontrol panels. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/138374/20240516_093253-3215600.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By beitodesstrafe: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: @beitodesstrafe What wall mount product line is that? @towerofpower94 The pegboard is just part of the work bench. What's behind it is wallcontrol panels. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/138374/20240516_093253-3215600.jpg Nice patches |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 10:42:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ltcdwb: I went on Brownell's and looked for a lower configured for the BRN-180. I was curious what options are available. Here is one by ADM specifically made for the BRN-180 uppers. Price doesn't seem too far out of line. https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/rifle-parts/rifle-receivers-parts/uic-180-stripped-lower-ambi-receiver-5d02da41/ I mean, if double the price of the OG stripped lower is in line, I don’t want to know what out of line is.
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Posted: 5/16/2024 10:44:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ghetto: I always heard that pistons and subsonic 300s didn't work well together? I have not heard that, but I'm not a piston guy. I thought the beauty of 300BO was the ability to swap supers and subs without much fiddling... |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 2:06:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ghetto: I always heard that pistons and subsonic 300s didn't work well together? Isn’t the MCX piston? Anything can work well if designed. Seems like most of the problems I’ve seen was with people operating outside what the system was designed for. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 2:07:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: You're a scholar and a gentleman. Now back to the BRN-180. If they made a 6-8" barreled 300BO upper I'd be all over it. I wanted to like the JAKL, since I already have an SBR'd lower with a pic rail plug and MI folder for my AR22 upper, but the JAKL isn't really plug and play. You have to add the bits to the back of the lower receiver for the JAKL uppers, and then it won't take a standard upper. They need a really short, designed for subs only, 300BO BRN-180 upper. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By beitodesstrafe: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By beitodesstrafe: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: @beitodesstrafe What wall mount product line is that? @towerofpower94 The pegboard is just part of the work bench. What's behind it is wallcontrol panels. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/138374/20240516_093253-3215600.jpg That's what I was talking about. Thank you ETA: guessing you went with their "industrial pegboard" line? Nope, just the standard stuff. Amazon has decent prices on it. The standard is plenty heavy duty. You're a scholar and a gentleman. Now back to the BRN-180. If they made a 6-8" barreled 300BO upper I'd be all over it. I wanted to like the JAKL, since I already have an SBR'd lower with a pic rail plug and MI folder for my AR22 upper, but the JAKL isn't really plug and play. You have to add the bits to the back of the lower receiver for the JAKL uppers, and then it won't take a standard upper. They need a really short, designed for subs only, 300BO BRN-180 upper. I totally agree on the short upper. I bought a 10” but haven’t shot it. Right after I bought mine they released the upper optimized for subsonic which is my luck. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 2:17:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: I totally agree on the short upper. I bought a 10” but haven’t shot it. Right after I bought mine they released the upper optimized for subsonic which is my luck. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By beitodesstrafe: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Originally Posted By beitodesstrafe: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: @beitodesstrafe What wall mount product line is that? @towerofpower94 The pegboard is just part of the work bench. What's behind it is wallcontrol panels. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/138374/20240516_093253-3215600.jpg That's what I was talking about. Thank you ETA: guessing you went with their "industrial pegboard" line? Nope, just the standard stuff. Amazon has decent prices on it. The standard is plenty heavy duty. You're a scholar and a gentleman. Now back to the BRN-180. If they made a 6-8" barreled 300BO upper I'd be all over it. I wanted to like the JAKL, since I already have an SBR'd lower with a pic rail plug and MI folder for my AR22 upper, but the JAKL isn't really plug and play. You have to add the bits to the back of the lower receiver for the JAKL uppers, and then it won't take a standard upper. They need a really short, designed for subs only, 300BO BRN-180 upper. I totally agree on the short upper. I bought a 10” but haven’t shot it. Right after I bought mine they released the upper optimized for subsonic which is my luck. Wat is this subsonic optimized upper you speak of? |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 3:21:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By towerofpower94: Wat is this subsonic optimized upper you speak of? I think he’s talking about the SH upper. It’s not really “optimized” for subsonic. It has an additional gas setting that completely shuts off the gas. No cycling, less noise. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 3:43:00 PM EDT
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I bought the factory FDE cerakote 10.5" upper when they had them but I have never shot it.
I also have one of those Foxtrot Mike FM-15 gen 2 uppers that I've never shot. It seems I just collect this shit now a days. I need to get to the range soon or start selling the stuff I've never shot. With the new ATF rules on what constitutes being a dealer, I'd probably be sent to prison just for trying to empty my safe of stuff I have no use for. Eh, fuck em. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 3:44:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: How do they compare to the PSA Jakl? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/IMG_8898_png-3214339.JPG That's going to be my next purchase I think. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 11:59:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glck1911: I think he’s talking about the SH upper. It’s not really “optimized” for subsonic. It has an additional gas setting that completely shuts off the gas. No cycling, less noise. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glck1911: Originally Posted By towerofpower94: Wat is this subsonic optimized upper you speak of? I think he’s talking about the SH upper. It’s not really “optimized” for subsonic. It has an additional gas setting that completely shuts off the gas. No cycling, less noise. They used optimized in their description that's the only reason I used it. https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/rifle-parts/rifle-receivers-parts/brn-180sh-suppressor-optimized-300-blackout-10-upper-receiver/ the new BRN-180SH Suppressor Optimized Upper Receiver notably includes a gas shutoff setting. This is not uncommon on piston driven firearms, it has rarely been utilized as a true “single shot” setting. Combined with the adjustable charging handle, which can be pointed downwards like a bolt action, the BRN-180SH can be configured into an extremely quiet, fast charging single shot. Simply adjust the gas system off, then pull the charging handle back and release to cycle. The single shot function eliminates ejection port escaping gasses, which can increase noise at the shooter’s ear and in general. If the user wishes to shoot semi-auto, the gas system can simply be set to the suppressed or unsuppressed setting, adjust the charging handle upwards, and run the upper normally. The charging handle can be left downwards, but may interfere with the shooter’s firing grip in semi-auto. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 12:10:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Alien]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sq40: How do they compare to the PSA Jakl? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/49447/IMG_8898_png-3214339.JPG |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 12:21:23 AM EDT
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shit I did not know they stopped making the lower they had before.....damnit. want one but not at the new prices.
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Posted: 5/17/2024 1:20:29 AM EDT
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How’s the reliability on these?
I’ve heard the jakl tends to have a lot of failures |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 1:25:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ghostface: That sucks about their lowers not being available, I wished I would have bought two more because I have builds planned but not if I can’t get an original looking lower…. http://i.imgur.com/MnWzPT1.jpg I have a Serbu AR lower built up like that. Still sitting in my safe as I was waiting on the Serbu SU15 upper to go with it. Guess I stick a BRN180 or Jakl upper on it. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 6:08:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _Wak: How’s the reliability on these? I’ve heard the jakl tends to have a lot of failures I have a 16" BRN-180 in 5.56 with 300-400 rounds on it. No issues but all ammo has been 55g, either .223 velocity or M193. It's accurate enough, and has a very light recoil impluse. It does feel different than an AR. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 6:35:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stiglitz_actual: They don't sell complete rifles They did discontinue their branded lowers, rumored because the manufacturer went out of business Now you can get either an ADM or FM lower w/ picatinny rear https://www.brownells.com/the-trigger-times/guns--gear/brownells-brn-180-line/ brn-180 thread https://distortion.io/i/IMG_8875.jpg Wow, I had no idea their lowers were no longer available. I have one of their lowers with the AR-180 style magazine wells that's been collecting dust since I keep diverting funds for the BRN-180 upper elsewhere. I'm glad I got it. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 8:48:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _Wak: How’s the reliability on these? I’ve heard the jakl tends to have a lot of failures My 180 would stovepipe every 3-7 rounds. Spent casings were hitting the knurled end of the charging handle and were being deflected back into the ejection port. Switched to a straight handle and no more malfunctions. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 9:05:46 AM EDT
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I have a 10.5" BRN-180 upper that I run on a milspec LMT defender lower with Kaw valley pic stock adapter.
I have a Sig adjustable folding stock on it. One difference to note about the BRN vs jakl is minor but the bolt/buffer assembly is held in place on the jakl upper and there is nothing to hold the BRN assembly in place. Not a concern when mounted on a lower but if the BRN180 upper is detached, it will eventually fall out of the upper. I only have about 400 rds through the 10.5" BRN180 but it has been 100%. Its pretty compact folded. All I need to add is a QD K sized suppressor. Throw it in a backpack. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 9:31:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: They used optimized in their description that's the only reason I used it. https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/rifle-parts/rifle-receivers-parts/brn-180sh-suppressor-optimized-300-blackout-10-upper-receiver/ Yeah i hear ya. I wasn't refuting your post, just explaining what the difference actually was.  |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 7:06:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glck1911: Yeah i hear ya. I wasn't refuting your post, just explaining what the difference actually was. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Glck1911: Originally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: They used optimized in their description that's the only reason I used it. https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/rifle-parts/rifle-receivers-parts/brn-180sh-suppressor-optimized-300-blackout-10-upper-receiver/ Yeah i hear ya. I wasn't refuting your post, just explaining what the difference actually was. Yup. They released that right after I bought mine after hesitating for over a year. Pretty much how it goes for me. |
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Posted: 5/17/2024 7:16:50 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By somedude: shit I did not know they stopped making the lower they had before.....damnit. want one but not at the new prices. Originally Posted By 14BoltFF: Wow, I had no idea their lowers were no longer available. I have one of their lowers with the AR-180 style magazine wells that's been collecting dust since I keep diverting funds for the BRN-180 upper elsewhere. I'm glad I got it. Yeah they had sales on them and quit making them. I have no idea if that's permanent or not. I hate it when companies come out with stuff and then drop it. I almost bought a second lower but I haven't shot my gun yet so I'm not sure if I'll like it so don't want to get too deep into it. I do regret not grabbing one of the Brownells 180 folding stocks they closed out for $50. Foxtrot Mike says some of their lowers work with BRN180 uppers and I found this Brownells page that says they work with the BRN. I'd definitely confirm first to be safe. If your interest runs closer to a standard AR-15 or you have the Mike-15 upper receiver, you can get a Mike-15 lower receiver fitted with a Magpul Zhukov folding stock OR with the Picatinny Rail Adapter and a THRiL pistol grip. Good news: the Mike-15 lower receiver is compatible with Brownells BRN-180 upper receivers. |
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Posted: 5/18/2024 12:15:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: Yeah they had sales on them and quit making them. I have no idea if that's permanent or not. I hate it when companies come out with stuff and then drop it. I almost bought a second lower but I haven't shot my gun yet so I'm not sure if I'll like it so don't want to get too deep into it. I do regret not grabbing one of the Brownells 180 folding stocks they closed out for $50. Foxtrot Mike says some of their lowers work with BRN180 uppers and I found this Brownells page that says they work with the BRN. I'd definitely confirm first to be safe. I really like this one, it shoots better than an ar for sure!! It was a gift from Brownells and I hate to part with it but I’m looking at moving overseas and can’t take it |
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