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MN, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2024 7:50:22 PM EDT
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Yeah, that wasn’t an anchor shot.
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Posted: 5/13/2024 7:51:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Ohio]
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BTW, if no one has mentioned it, the word is "supine".
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Posted: 5/13/2024 7:56:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ohio: BTW, if no one has mentioned it, the word is "supine". I prefer the term recumbent. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 7:58:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ibn_Huq: How do you drop a gun that is in your pocket? Go back and watch a few times. They keep telling him hands out of your pockets. No mention of a gun yet. Then as he moved backward he pulled up enough for one of the officers to see the pistol. That resulted in a drop it and don’t do it etc. Take your hand off it or drop it has the same meaning. The guy was willfully ignoring that he was being told to stop. For the first few seconds all they hadn’t seen the pistol. For them to see it he was obviously starting to work it out from the pocket. I think this thread may be exposing some serious lack of street smarts on this site. Maybe it’s because I went to a really bad High School, but you can see it a mile away. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 8:00:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mc556: Go back and watch a few times. They keep telling him hands out of your pockets. No mention of a gun yet. Then as he moved backward he pulled up enough for one of the officers to see the pistol. That resulted in a drop it and don’t do it etc. Take your hand off it or drop it has the same meaning. The guy was willfully ignoring that he was being told to stop. For the first few seconds all they hadn’t seen the pistol. For them to see it he was obviously starting to work it out from the pocket. I think this thread may be exposing some serious lack of street smarts on this site. Maybe it’s because I went to a really bad High School, but you can see it a mile away. It's not just this site. People generally don't pay attention to details like that. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 8:28:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: mc556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: It's not just this site. People generally don't pay attention to details like that. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: Originally Posted By mc556: Go back and watch a few times. They keep telling him hands out of your pockets. No mention of a gun yet. Then as he moved backward he pulled up enough for one of the officers to see the pistol. That resulted in a drop it and don’t do it etc. Take your hand off it or drop it has the same meaning. The guy was willfully ignoring that he was being told to stop. For the first few seconds all they hadn’t seen the pistol. For them to see it he was obviously starting to work it out from the pocket. I think this thread may be exposing some serious lack of street smarts on this site. Maybe it’s because I went to a really bad High School, but you can see it a mile away. It's not just this site. People generally don't pay attention to details like that. It would be wise for many to start. The whole thing from start to finish was very calculated on the criminals part. Not to mention IMO obvious. He was working out a plan to escape which looked to include shooting if needed. When the cops had guns drawn and said take your hands out of your pocket he would have done so if that weren’t the case. If someone disagrees by all means explain. The officer who shot him was wise to that fact the guy was trying to play games “Take your hands out of your pockets “ Decision was a no and proceeded by getting his pistol at the ready. The cops now see the pistol “ take your hands off the gun”. Decision was also a no and suspect continued stalling for time and creating space. “Drop the gun “. Commands still ignored and suspect still trying to create space. Still the officers were pleading with him to stop and he still continued to stall Finally he pulled a pistol out very deliberately. He was planning to play quick draw from the hip movie style. When he pulled the pistol out he was thinking they didn’t have the nerve to shoot. Then from that position he could quick snap a few rounds off and get away. He was actually half right. The one cop hesitated. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 8:38:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RandyLahey01: Sad. Dude should have listened. What is sad? The fact the a wannbe bad ass pulled a gun and got put down? Or the fact that he forced the hand of people that abide by the law and contribute to society, and changed the trajectory of their lives/careers? Justified (which most of seem to agree this one is, or not, this shit does not go away overnight. They will get run through the ringer on the internet, especially social media, but even after they are cleared, the family will probably be given millions, to appease the masses. My friend killed a guy many years ago. 1000000% justified from jump street. He was fine with it until the family was given a pile of money down the road. He told me thats when he felt like he must have done something wrong. This shit isnt like killing a deer, tagging it, and dropping it off at the processor. Its sticks with you for a long time. In some cases, forever. There are not many things in life I can think of that you can be 100% correct on, yet continuously doubt yourself. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 8:42:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WinstonSmith: There's always gotta be the one guy.  But 30 years ago in boot camp, it worked every time! Why couldn't they just shoot the gun out of his hand and offered him counseling???
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Posted: 5/13/2024 8:49:58 PM EDT
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Homie wasn't going back to jail again.
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Posted: 5/13/2024 8:53:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: I prefer the term recumbent. How about “protracted lounging”? |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 8:58:58 PM EDT
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:00:55 PM EDT
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From watching many scumbags eat lead on policeactivity, there are a couple of things to note.
1) If you've already shot somebody, every movement with be interpreted as a continued threat 2) If you got the gun or knife in your hand. every movement will be interpreted as a threat (2a) Drop the fucking gun or die 3) After dropping the weapon (Because shot. Or because not stupid) reaching in that general direction will be interpreted as a threat 4) Holding any object in your hands when encountering law enforcement is likely to be interpreted as a threat - A trash bag will get you just as dead as an M11-9 I've yet to see anyone holding their empty hands out in front of them, and saying "Please GOD don't shoot me Cleetus!," get shot. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:15:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Missilegeek: He wasn't shot for carrying it. He was shot for pulling it out of his pocket, right after the two cops with guns pointed at him, explicitly told him not to do that. They also told him exactly what would happen if he did it. If you were these cops, how much longer do you wait? That Airman was given zero opportunity to comply. And he didn't pull a gun out on the cops, it was already in his hand. How much longer do I wait? Until that pistol is in motion towards me or someone else,I don’t get to kill him. Cops yelling at you doesn’t circumvent the constitution. From the limited context of the video he was executed by the cops for failing to respect their authority. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:17:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marksman14: Agreed on your last sentence, problem is that’s not the ONLY thing that happened here. It’s the backing away and ignoring 45 seconds of instructions telling him NOT to do what he did, then doing it anyways. If you tell someone not to pull their gun out, repeatedly, while you have firearms pointed at them, and they ignore you and do it anyways, what would a reasonable person think they intend to do with it? Seriously. Cops don’t need to get shot at first to justify shooting someone who ignores commands and pulls a weapon on them. Again, some people on this forum…. The cops were yelling at him to pull his hands out AND to drop the weapon. Cops are giving conflicting instructions and then execute him for something. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:20:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rock71: I wasn’t planning to dog pile. But, since you doubled down, here it is. You are wrong. You should educate yourself on both the law and tactics. As for the common sense part, you just have to play the hand you were dealt. If a person was in your house, would it justify shooting them? I mean, it might be a birthday party. What if it was a person in your house at 2:00AM, uninvited? With a butcher knife? At some point, seemingly benign things add up. It’s called totality. But, you think it was just “having a gun in a park.” Muh, rats. Lol You doubled down with straw an arguments? As I have said multiple times, given the context of the video, that was a a bad shoot. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:20:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By haveTwo: Yeah, very different set of circumstances. Here we actually do have the dead guy pulling a gun out on officers after they made contact, rather than opening a door to his own residence. And here there probably wasn't much doubt in the dead guy that they were cops. I mean, marked cruiser, lights, uniforms, the whole schebang. So exercising your 2A rights is worth a death sentence without due process? |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:22:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naffenea: The cops were yelling at him to pull his hands out AND to drop the weapon. Cops are giving conflicting instructions and then execute him for something. They're not a hivemind. If the cop commanding to not move or show your hands sees a gun being pulled.. well |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:23:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jackslack: So I see you have had guns pointed at you, your life under constant threat for trying to keep civility in check and don't have a family that depends on you for your informed opinion. What I saw was far too lenient given the daily threat inner city police deal with everyday. Most often with the same repeat suspects. So you support the summary execution of black people exercising their second amendment rights? Or do you have more context to give than just what was shown in the video? |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:23:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jackslack: U-R-DUM or a prolific shit stirrer. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just call you a troll. That’s nice Francis. You something to add or just want to keep the 23er tradition alive? |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:24:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naffenea: So you support the summary execution of black people exercising their second amendment rights? Or do you have more context to give than just what was shown in the video? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naffenea: Originally Posted By Jackslack: So I see you have had guns pointed at you, your life under constant threat for trying to keep civility in check and don't have a family that depends on you for your informed opinion. What I saw was far too lenient given the daily threat inner city police deal with everyday. Most often with the same repeat suspects. So you support the summary execution of black people exercising their second amendment rights? Or do you have more context to give than just what was shown in the video? First off race has nothing to do with procedure. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:28:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: First off race has nothing to do with procedure. So given the context of the video, all races should be executed for exercising their second amendment rights when cops are giving conflicting directions? |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:28:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: I prefer the term recumbent. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: Originally Posted By Ohio: BTW, if no one has mentioned it, the word is "supine". I prefer the term recumbent. Prostrate |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:31:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naffenea: So given the context of the video, all races should be executed for exercising their second amendment rights when cops are giving conflicting directions? Weak trolling attempt. 3 out of 20 |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:32:18 PM EDT
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"supined out" said no one ever
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:32:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By doc540: "supined out" said no one ever I bet Chris Costa has. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:34:47 PM EDT
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Threat neutralized.
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:36:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naffenea: So given the context of the video, all races should be executed for exercising their second amendment rights when cops are giving conflicting directions? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naffenea: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: First off race has nothing to do with procedure. So given the context of the video, all races should be executed for exercising their second amendment rights when cops are giving conflicting directions? Your wording is problematic. Like it or not we need to be governed by laws. All laws are backed up by force. I'm not a huge cop cheerleader, but I realize you need to comply when dealing with an agent of the state who is capable of using lethal force. This isn't a case of a guy seeing a guy had a permit by running his plate and shooting him. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:38:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naffenea: How much longer do I wait? Until that pistol is in motion towards me or someone else,I don’t get to kill him. Cops yelling at you doesn’t circumvent the constitution. From the limited context of the video he was executed by the cops for failing to respect their authority. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naffenea: Originally Posted By Missilegeek: He wasn't shot for carrying it. He was shot for pulling it out of his pocket, right after the two cops with guns pointed at him, explicitly told him not to do that. They also told him exactly what would happen if he did it. If you were these cops, how much longer do you wait? That Airman was given zero opportunity to comply. And he didn't pull a gun out on the cops, it was already in his hand. How much longer do I wait? Until that pistol is in motion towards me or someone else,I don’t get to kill him. Cops yelling at you doesn’t circumvent the constitution. From the limited context of the video he was executed by the cops for failing to respect their authority. I guess we just disagree. The guy had plenty of time and opportunity to clearly show that he didn't want a gunfight. What he chose to do, can be reasonably interpreted as someone preparing for a gunfight. They don't have to accept the danger and wait for him to try to point it at them. Why would you not respect their authority? |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:43:22 PM EDT
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 What a fucking retard. They gave him EVERY opportunity to not lose his life. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:48:19 PM EDT
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good shoot, good anchor
he raised the gun after the first shots |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2024 9:53:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WinstonSmith: There's always gotta be the one guy. Too many officers giving too many commands. Agreed. Doesn’t negate the good shoot though. It’s just a bullet point on the after action report under lessons learned. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 10:09:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: To be fair. We come from educated places. Most people don't. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: Originally Posted By John_Wayne777: If I get told that, what I'm going to do is keep my hands above my head and at least go to my knees. That's a hell of a lot less likely to get me shot than actually trying to pull the gun out. To be fair. We come from educated places. Most people don't. That's a fair argument. I'd counter with the fact that most guys who act like that towards police have a thorough education and experience with stuff like this. Good example is all the bystanders that didn't even blink an eye let alone move when it all went down. Lots of violent people are well versed in police contacts and will push back as much as they think they can get away with all the way up to deadly force. My guess is that he was no stranger to this type of situation and the cops were aware of that. His behavior and movement put them all on edge and I think their actions saved them being injured or killed. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 10:14:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ALASKANFIRE: That's a fair argument. I'd counter with the fact that most guys who act like that towards police have a thorough education and experience with stuff like this. Good example is all the bystanders that didn't even blink an eye let alone move when it all went down. Lots of violent people are well versed in police contacts and will push back as much as they think they can get away with all the way up to deadly force. My guess is that he was no stranger to this type of situation and the cops were aware of that. His behavior and movement put them all on edge and I think their actions saved them being injured or killed. That's true, too. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 10:21:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TaskForce: To be fair. We come from educated places. Most people don't. True enough. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 10:21:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pdm: You should go tell that to Grady Judd….. [Judd] Well, their behavior is sure changed if they're dead. [/Judd] |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 10:23:19 PM EDT
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Totally good with it.
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Posted: 5/13/2024 10:27:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mike240: Too many cops giving commands. It only takes one. Because there always ends being conflicting commands. Simple concepts of contact cover, been taught for decades. And fucked up usually. This guy knew what was going on, why the police were there, and how it was going to end. |
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Posted: 5/13/2024 10:51:29 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2024 11:07:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NCPatrolAR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TXBBQGuy: Unless you're in a hotel hallway and the cops decide to play Simon says but you have to guess which one to listen to and the penalty for listening to the wrong one is death  Attached File |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2024 11:19:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 10mmillie: Good shoot I don't know, it was kind of worrisome that the coos fired in the direction of passing traffic. I mean if is a park in CA, there were plenty of homeless around to act as a safe backstop. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2024 11:29:30 PM EDT
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Quote History He is probably just confused because the one officer giving commands gave conflicting commands.  Crawl towards me, keep your hands up. That is not how crawling works. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:35:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pokernut: He is probably just confused because the one officer giving commands gave conflicting commands. Crawl towards me, keep your hands up. That is not how crawling works.It does not take a genius to figure out what the dudes with guns drawn, yelling at you, want you to do. Universal "Dont Shoot!" is putting your hands in the air. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:49:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mc556: Go back and watch a few times. They keep telling him hands out of your pockets. No mention of a gun yet. Then as he moved backward he pulled up enough for one of the officers to see the pistol. That resulted in a drop it and don’t do it etc. Take your hand off it or drop it has the same meaning. The guy was willfully ignoring that he was being told to stop. For the first few seconds all they hadn’t seen the pistol. For them to see it he was obviously starting to work it out from the pocket. I think this thread may be exposing some serious lack of street smarts on this site. Maybe it’s because I went to a really bad High School, but you can see it a mile away. Thanks for the outline. I missed all of that detail in one viewing on an iPhone SE. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 6:56:44 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Naffenea: The cops were yelling at him to pull his hands out AND to drop the weapon. Cops are giving conflicting instructions and then execute him for something. Those instructions are not mutually exclusive one can take there hands out and drop the weapon matter of fact some would say you’d have to do one to do the other. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 11:53:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frank762: It does not take a genius to figure out what the dudes with guns drawn, yelling at you, want you to do. Universal "Dont Shoot!" is putting your hands in the air. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 11:57:56 AM EDT
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I'll allow it
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Posted: 5/15/2024 12:48:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Naffenea: So given the context of the video, all races should be executed for exercising their second amendment rights when cops are giving conflicting directions? So given from the context of the video as you stated above, exercising your 2A by carrying concealed to the point of exhibiting or brandishing the firearm outside of concealment or holster no longer applies under 2A or other state laws for carrying concealed or open carry. Weak rebuttal to the facts of the video without full totality of the circumstances provided. Even the video clearly remarks violation of law and potential if not full threat to the public (which theres plenty of bystanders and looks to be residential homes and uniformed officers) nearby. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 1:16:55 PM EDT
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In no way was that last shot unjustified. Good shoot all day.
+1 for the Chad Staccato. |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 1:29:11 PM EDT
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Text book good shoot to me.
Dude should have just raised his hands once he realized he couldn't win the gun battle. Something something Soros DA, Something something Live to fight another day. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 1:51:29 PM EDT
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I’m questioning whether or not I even want to be associated with the mass quantities of retard nutters here. No police command ever consisted of “yank the gun out of your pocket and show it to us!”
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