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Posted: 4/28/2024 10:11:43 AM EDT
Still a great movie.
Mel Gibson enlists patriots for the American revolution | The Patriot | CLIP |
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Wasn't it loosely based on Francis Marion,
the "Swamp Fox?" |
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Alea iacta est
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Great movie
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One of my favorites.
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Eat the dogs?
A dog is a fine meal...... Good heavens..... |
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Yes,
Great movie, I watch it just about once a year. That and Adams on HBO. |
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That’s one of those movies that is always a great watch, even if it isn’t the most historically accurate
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Aim small, miss small.
And it really works. |
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"Zeal without prudence is like a ship adrift."
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“Nothing Awesome is ever simple.” - qualityhardware
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what's his name was a prick... Tarleton or whatever
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Yes, a very good Revolutionary type of movie.
I also like Conspiracy Theory. |
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Watch it every year on either Independence Day or if it’s a weekend that weekend.
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Originally Posted By Low-Cap: Agreed. Great depiction of the spirit of the era even if not specifically portraying factual events. View Quote True! Went to Cowpens battlefield a couple years ago, the last battle in the movie is loosely based on that, and another battle I can’t remember the name of. |
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Everyone gets the main gun
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Before this war is over, Im going to kill you
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The church scene was just stupid, it was something nazis did. Mel Gibson ripped off "Come and See"
Come and See (1985) - DISTURBING Church Scene (1080p HD) |
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Originally Posted By jackthom8: The church scene was just stupid, it was something nazis did. Mel Gibson ripped off "Come and See" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHzYwsi-CRc View Quote Thank you. The church scene ruined the film for me. The British never did that. |
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17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
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We one had real Men with giant stones.
If it involves Gibson and violence, it's always worth watching. 💥 |
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Let us never forget, government has no resources of its own. Government can only give to us what it has previously taken from us.
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*Gibson's
Originally Posted By Ambridge77: Wasn't it loosely based on Francis Marion, the "Swamp Fox?" View Quote No, I believe it was loosely based on Samantha Fox's "True Devotion." |
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I watch it every Independence Day and also whenever it's on TV, which is at least a dozen times throughout the year.
My wife hates when that movie is on cause she knows that's what we're watching. |
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Originally Posted By Need4Guns: I watch it every Independence Day and also whenever it's on TV, which is at least a dozen times throughout the year. My wife hates when that movie is on cause she knows that's what we're watching. View Quote No dude, that has Jeff Goldbloom and Denzel Washington in it… OP is talking about the Revolutionary War movie. |
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I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe
AZ, USA
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GD will pick it apart because they think it’s a documentary.
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Put The Spurs to Her Chuck !
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Good flick.
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Originally Posted By Snallygaster: Thank you. The church scene ruined the film for me. The British never did that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Snallygaster: Originally Posted By jackthom8: The church scene was just stupid, it was something nazis did. Mel Gibson ripped off "Come and See" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHzYwsi-CRc Thank you. The church scene ruined the film for me. The British never did that. Gilmore Simms biography of Francis Marion was one source that actor and director Mel Gibson consulted to fashion his character, Ben Martin, the protagonist of his film, The Patriot, which takes place during the Revolutionary War. This powerful film vividly dramatizes how the savagery of war dehumanizes its participants, often stripping away the thin veneer of civilization that prevents soldiers from committing atrocities against the lives and property of innocent civilians. Barbarous acts against Colonials by British Redcoats are not only described in the film’s dialogue, but vividly depicted in action scenes. In one especially grisly segment, British Lt. Col. Banastre Tarleton sets fire to a church after locking the helpless congregation inside. This particular scene infuriated many Britons, who vigorously denied that such an act of cruelty could have been perpetrated by British soldiers. But whether the incident was factual or simply a matter of creative license on Gibson’s part does not negate the fact that manifold acts of brutality against civilians have been faithfully attributed to Colonel Tarleton and other British officers. On one occasion, the widowed mother and mistress of the home where Colonel Tarleton’s troops were bivouacked, secretly learned that Tarleton had set a trap for Francis Marion. Tarleton’s plans were thwarted when the courageous widow sent one of her sons to warn Marion. Furious that his chance to capture the famous Swamp Fox had been sabotaged, Colonel Tarleton attacked the widow, lashing her with his whip as her children watched in horror. He then burned their house and barn with all their terrified livestock inside. Throughout the War, Colonel Tarleton and other British officers took odious responsibility for torching private homes, destroying crops, slaughtering livestock, and allowing Colonial women to be raped by British soldiers. Innocent civilians were tortured and murdered. Colonial soldiers attempting to surrender were often shot. Even women who remained behind to nurse wounded soldiers were sometimes killed. Lt. Col. Banastre Tarleton also slaughtered numerous Colonial prisoners of war. For his legendary cruelty, Tarleton was given the nickname “Bloody Ban”. Historical records indicate that many churches were burned during the Redcoat’s destructive forays through the Carolinas. Lt. Col Tarleton’s memoirs contain a reference to a Colonel Rawdon, stating: “When Rawdon left the settlement (the Waxhaws) the church had been burned because all Presbyterian churches are shops of sedition.” It is also documented that, apparently angered by the continuous success of Francis Marion’s raids, British Major James Wemyess proceeded on a seventy mile path of destruction through the Lowcountry, during which he “burned many Presbyterian churches.” But it was not only Presbyterian churches that were incinerated. The British even applied the torches to many of the official churches of England that were located throughout the Anglican parishes of the South Carolina colony. Among the Anglican churches torched were St. John’s Berkeley, St. Bartholomew’s, Christ Church, St. George’s, St. Mark’s and Prince William. Some of these torched Anglican churches decayed and perished long ago. But those constructed of sturdier material, brick and tabby, valiantly withstood complete annihilation. The Anglican church of Prince William Parish was among the few that were rebuilt after the Redcoats burned them. Prince William Parish was carved out of the parish of St. Helena in 1745, after wealthy planters began acquiring large tracts of land abandoned by the Yemassee. Rich, swampy soil along the Combahee, Coosawhatchie and Pocotaligo Rivers was ideally suited for rice plantations. The parish was named after William, Duke of Cumberland, the son of King George II, famous for his defeat of Bonnie Prince Charlie at Culloden. The Prince William Parish Church was built in 1755 so that local parishioners would not have to make the arduous trek to the St. Helena Church in Beaufort. This horse-drawn carriage trip involved a long ferry boat ride, although there was no charge for ferrying on Sunday. The church was situated on 50 acres of donated property between the lands of the Tomotley Barony and the manor of the Bull family, the family of aristocrats that provided most of the funds for the church’s construction. William Bull christened his Lowcountry estate “Sheldon Plantation” in honor of Sheldon Hall, his Warwickshire, England, ancestral home. The red-brick ruins remaining, including the still-standing four Doric columns, allow one to visualize the neoclassical temple form of this place of worship. It is considered by many to be the first example of Greek Revival architecture in the New World. In concert with the ornate altar, it contains a baptismal fountain and burial vaults. The vault of William Bull I, a South Carolina lieutenant governor, is located beside the solitary altar. An equestrian statue of Prince William was located near the church’s residence. Colonials supposedly melted the statue in order to produce bullets to use against the British enemy. The churchyard is graced with ancient moss-covered oaks. Parishioners no doubt tethered their horses and carriages under these very trees during Sunday services. It is not known who designed or built the Prince William Parish Church. One theory asserts that the church was constructed according to abandoned plans for St. Mary-le-Strand Church in London. Its design has also been attributed to a Scottish architect, Colin Campbell. Builders of the church also remain unnamed. Still, some claim that four “figure eight” marks outlined in the bricks were hieroglyphs identifying the craftsmen. Others insist that the figure eight is a Christian symbol. Jesus rose from the dead eight days after he entered Jerusalem. Another floating hypothesis is that the four mysterious markings represent God’s mercy, grace, wisdom, and love. Interestingly, a horizontal figure -eight is the time-honored symbol for infinity, usually interpreted to mean “without end.” Curiosity also exists surrounding the location of the church; it is alone in the wilderness, remote from any town or community. One explanation for its isolated location is that the sanctuary was situated on that site to offset the influence of a congregation of Presbyterians, referred to as “dissenters”, whose house of worship was nearby on the banks of the Pocotaligo River. These Presbyterians were followers of Evangelist George Whitefield, whose passionate revivalist doctrines were perceived as a threat to the Church of England. British soldiers believed that Presbyterians as well as other Protestant groups espoused seditious views. Prince William Parish Church was heralded by all who traveled to visit it. It was considered architecturally comparable to Charleston’s two most famous churches and considered finer by many. This was the opinion of a visiting missionary who wrote in 1766: “This is the second best church in the Province, and by many considered a more beautiful building than St. Phillip’s. It is more elegant than St. Michael’s, and it is beautifully pewed and ornamented.” But the church’s elegance and grandeur could not shield it from the merciless scourge of war. In May of 1779, British troops under orders from General Augustine Prevost, burned not only the Prince William Parish Church, but also the Bull family estate on Sheldon Plantation. British Redcoats justified this assault on the church with the claim that Colonials used the facility to store gun powder and weapons. An extra annoyance for the British was the fact that much of the gun powder had been confiscated from British ships. But gun powder and weapons might have been seized without demolishing the place of worship. And there was no strategic justification for destroying the Bull family estate. It has been suggested that the British may have spared the church if the statue of Prince William mounted on his horse still stood outside the entrance. But the detachment of troops that incinerated the structure was commanded by Major DeVeaux, a member of an old Beaufort family who had only recently become a loyalist, joining British forces. Although the DeVeaux family had enjoyed an amiable association with the Bull family, a feud developed between the two. As the church was so intimately associated with the Bull family, the equestrian statue of Prince William, an imposing bronze reminder of the Crown, might not have deterred Major DeVeaux from applying the torch. Whether an act of Providence or merely happenstance, the walls of the church did not completely crumble, and much of the structure was left intact. Over the next three decades, Nature reclaimed the forsaken sanctuary and its graveyard. Even the interior of the structure filled with trees. But this particular house of God has an inexplicable tenacity to survive. So, in 1815, devout parishioners cleaned up the grounds and made the remains of the church serviceable. Trees inside the walls were cut down, and planks were placed over their hallowed stumps to create makeshift pews. Worship services were held in what must have been South Carolina’s first al fresco sanctuary. https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/the-destruction-of-old-sheldon-church-and-other-ravages-of-war/ |
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The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. ~Thomas Jefferson~
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Originally Posted By NavyDoc1: https://www.abbevilleinstitute.org/the-destruction-of-old-sheldon-church-and-other-ravages-of-war/ View Quote Hey now, don't go providing a valid argument against the boomers here who don't think it happened. |
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Saw it once. Thought it was okay but not great.
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Tarlton was a real person who did real atrocities, wrote in his memoirs how he loved to burn Presbyterian churches as they were a "hotbed of revolution", and encouraged his soldiers to murder and rape civilians, I think Mel Gibson's movie got it right.
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The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. ~Thomas Jefferson~
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This is in my small, but select, personal library.
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Never confuse motion with progress; never confuse a college degree with intelligence.
USN, Ret. |
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John Adams
Sons of Liberty The Patriot That's my Independence Day viewing repertoire. It takes all day, but it's well worth it, imo. Of course in between I'm cooking some ribs, so it takes a bit longer than it normally would of just straight watching. |
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They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. --Benjamin Franklin
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Great work of historical fiction. Close enough.
Just finished reading a public domain work 'Drums along the Mohawk' which is about the same balance of accuracy and entertainment. |
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Originally Posted By tparker241: Sort of a combination of Marion and Daniel Morgan maybe, also Joely Richardson ! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By tparker241: Originally Posted By Ambridge77: Wasn't it loosely based on Francis Marion, the "Swamp Fox?" Sort of a combination of Marion and Daniel Morgan maybe, also Joely Richardson ! Yes......Joely Richardson was fine |
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"The villainy you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction"
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Originally Posted By BoneB1B: Banastre Tarleton was the real person Tavington was the movie character View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By BoneB1B: Originally Posted By byron2112: what's his name was a prick... Tarleton or whatever Banastre Tarleton was the real person Tavington was the movie character THe film was a work of fiction, not a documentary, however, the behavior of the character Tavington was perfectly consistent with the actual historical behavior of the person Tarleton, whom the character was based upon. |
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The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbour to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg. ~Thomas Jefferson~
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