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Posted: 5/18/2019 11:33:51 AM EDT
Test Gun: Sig P229, Beretta Nano. Barrel length: 3.9, 3 inches. Ammunition: Federal 115gr JHP (XM9001) Test media: 10% Clear Ballistics Gel. Distance: 10 feet. Chronograph: Caldwell Ballistic Precision Chronograph G2. Five shot velocity average: 1190, 1128fps Gel Temperature 75 degrees. Number eight in the series is the Federal XM9001 115gr JHP. This load is often compared to the +P+ 9pble and appears to use the same bullet but pushing then with less velocity and more penetration. It also comes in at $13.99 for a box of 50. With the Sig 229, I got a five-shot average velocity of 1190fps with a high of 1198fps and a low of 1182fps. Ten yards off hand five shots with the Sig P229 Out of the Nano, the five shot velocity average was 1128fps with a high of 1151fps and a low of 1114fps. Ten yards off hand five shots with the Beretta Nano The first round from the Sig P229 hit the bare gel block at a velocity of 1191fps and penetrated to 11.25 inches. The recovered diameter was .67 inches and weight was 115.2 grains. The second round's velocity was 1202fps and it penetrated to 11 inches. The recovered weight was 115.6 grains and its expansion was .66 inches. In the gel covered with heavy clothing, the first round from the Sig the had a velocity of 1201fps and penetrated to 12.5 inches. The recovered diameter was .65 inches and the weight was 113.1 grains. Round two's velocity was 1220fps and it penetrated to 10.5 inches. The recovered diameter was .67 inches and the recovered weight was also 113.1 grains. Using the Beretta Nano the first round in the bare gel had a velocity of 1120fps and penetration of 11.5 inches. The recovered weight was 114.2 grains and the recovered diameter was .63 inches. Round two had a velocity of 1139fps and it penetrated to 11 inches. The bullet weight was 114.4 grains and the diameter was .64 inches. http://www.general-cartridge.com/blog |
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Wow. Cheap ammo too.
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"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
G. K. Chesterton |
Penetration is nothing to write home about.
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A conquering army on the border will not be stopped by eloquence. Otto von Bismarck
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Not bad at all.
Practically speaking, is there any difference between getting hit with this and with HST/GD? I would guess the answer is: Probably not. I suppose a good question would be if hst/gd would do better through thick clothing ETA just looked at OP's site, the 147HST was basically unaffected by clothing. Nice site, op! |
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"If you cant do something smart, do something right"
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Personally, I think the results are very good.
So this load is basically the old "9BP" load at +P, rather than the full +P+ 9BPLE load?? At that price, I may have to get some! |
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Originally Posted By 03RN: Especially since results in clear gel are exaggerated over organic gel. View Quote Organic gel is not much better. No oven needed to prep but you do need a refrigerator big enough to accept a mould and the space to chill the block for a couple days. Will his wife make space or does he have room for a spare fridge somewhere else? And while organic gel is a little cheaper per block, it can only be used once. While it would be nice to see the various testers using organic, I appreciate the fact that 5pins is doing these tests regardless of media used. I assume he, like many testers on YouTube and elsewhere, are not being paid by anyone. Testing is being done out of curiosity and a hobbyist interest in terminal performance. |
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Originally Posted By Melvin_Johnson:
Testing like this is expensive not counting the time involved to do it. On top of the ammo, 5pins has to buy a block and the clothing pack to accompany. You're also looking at a mould to melt and an oven for melting. Does his wife want him taking up the kitchen or does he have his own space? Maybe an old used oven out in the garage? Organic gel is not much better. No oven needed to prep but you do need a refrigerator big enough to accept a mould and the space to chill the block for a couple days. Will his wife make space or does he have room for a spare fridge somewhere else? And while organic gel is a little cheaper per block, it can only be used once. While it would be nice to see the various testers using organic, I appreciate the fact that 5pins is doing these tests regardless of media used. I assume he, like many testers on YouTube and elsewhere, are not being paid by anyone. Testing is being done out of curiosity and a hobbyist interest in terminal performance. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Melvin_Johnson:
Originally Posted By 03RN: Especially since results in clear gel are exaggerated over organic gel. Organic gel is not much better. No oven needed to prep but you do need a refrigerator big enough to accept a mould and the space to chill the block for a couple days. Will his wife make space or does he have room for a spare fridge somewhere else? And while organic gel is a little cheaper per block, it can only be used once. While it would be nice to see the various testers using organic, I appreciate the fact that 5pins is doing these tests regardless of media used. I assume he, like many testers on YouTube and elsewhere, are not being paid by anyone. Testing is being done out of curiosity and a hobbyist interest in terminal performance. Milk jugs are easier and cheaper to work with too. |
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Originally Posted By 03RN: Yes it's easier to deal with but we all need to remember that clear gel is not showing realistic terminal ballistics. Milk jugs are easier and cheaper to work with too. View Quote |
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I don't know what will happen, or if anything will happen. But if something does, I'd rather be the guy with a gun than the guy without one.
Everyone please read this carefully. Eric802 is correct. - DK-Prof, 1/27/15 |
Originally Posted By 03RN: Yes it's easier to deal with but we all need to remember that clear gel is not showing realistic terminal ballistics. Milk jugs are easier and cheaper to work with too. View Quote |
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Another great test by a member. This has been a good series on budget SD ammo. Thanks 5pins
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"The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him, but because he loves what is behind him."
G. K. Chesterton |
Thanks 5pins.
Anyone complaining, please feel free to do your own testing and post the results here. The more the merrier. |
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Tastes like chicken.
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Originally Posted By Eric802:
Yes, in reviewing some of 5pins’ posts it seems you feel the need to comment on the type of gel fairly often. You can probably stop doing that. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Eric802:
Originally Posted By 03RN: Yes it's easier to deal with but we all need to remember that clear gel is not showing realistic terminal ballistics. Milk jugs are easier and cheaper to work with too. ETA, I was only reminding folks of the disparity between organic gel and clear gel when people brought up the test results as a sign of being good self defense ammo. I thought in tech we were encouraged to be technical. I'm not arguing and will no longer post in his threads. |
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Originally Posted By 03RN: That's a Roger ETA, I was only reminding folks of the disparity between organic gel and clear gel when people brought up the test results as a sign of being good self defense ammo. I thought in tech we were encouraged to be technical. I'm not arguing and will no longer post in his threads. View Quote http://www.brassfetcher.com/Synthetic%20Gelatin/Synthetic%20Gelatin.html |
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I always thought the clear gel gave good results with handgun rounds, but rifle and higher velocity rounds tend cause the exaggeration?
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Any test, even shooting rounds into water jugs, is interesting and worthy of discussion.
The OP, taking the time to post pictures, listing velocities, ammo prices, etc. is informative and always appreciated. Numerous sources of valuable data (Molon) have been driven off by critics who point out some minutia that could be done better or different. I'm perfectly OK with someone pointing out that clear gel is not 100% comparable to organic and starting a discussion as long as we realize that the OP put his money, effort and heart into providing the data and we stay appreciative and constructive. |
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^ Agreed. I'm not here to nitpick either, as I use clear gel, because it's affordable for me to use.
When I tested from 5" barrel, I got approx 10" of penetration: 9x19mm, 115gr JHP, XM9001, Federal Ammunition, Velocity + Gel Test |
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OP (or anyone) where can I get some of this ammo for cheap?
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Originally Posted By ITCHY-FINGER:
OP (or anyone) where can I get some of this ammo for cheap? View Quote https://www.targetsportsusa.com/ https://www.sgammo.com/ |
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I sold pallets of this stuff a few years ago. I wish I had kept more for myself. Even with a warehouse full of Ranger, Gold Dot LE, Federal Tac I carried this load in my back up for years.
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Regarding clear gel-while there's technically no universal conversion formula, with handguns I find that multiplying penetration by 0.95x and average expansion by 1.05x gets you pretty close to 10% ordnance gel.
With rifles it's pretty much a crapshoot. |
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Originally Posted By hotpig:
I sold pallets of this stuff a few years ago. I wish I had kept more for myself. Even with a warehouse full of Ranger, Gold Dot LE, Federal Tac I carried this load in my back up for years. View Quote @hotpig |
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I retired and closed on January first of 2019.
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Outstanding Job on the Federal 9mm 115gr JHP (XM9001) in Clear Ballistics Gel review thank you for the post, I've noticed the same old trolls chime in with their sarcastic remarks !
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