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Posted: 11/20/2020 12:53:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 20229mm: AAC says no on the Tirant 9mm I ended up with a Bushwhacker 46. It's ok. I'd like it better as a K size for the spirit of the gun its used for. Kinda loud being a 45 can for 350L. Sounds great with 45acp though. OK on 308. Didn't do much on a 22lr. |
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USA
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Posted: 11/20/2020 1:52:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By streetstar: Another vote for 45/70 I don't hunt anymore so I sold all mine-- but amazingly effective cartridge -- I used a MArlin Guide Gun with a 3-9 scope and the Hornady flex tip 325gr bullets. Recoil was brick in that gun but manageable. Recoil from the same cartridge in my old Ruger #1 would detach your retinas in comparison lol, truth! First 45-70 I ever shot was a No1 Tropical with 500 something grain bullets in deer camp. My brother in law’s buddy was showing it off. I seriously consider retina detachment as my sister was half blund from them. |
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Posted: 11/21/2020 6:10:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GarrettJ]
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My 16-year old daughter just bagged her first deer with a T/C Contender rifle sporting an MGM barrel chambered in .357 Max.
180 gr. XTP at 2100 fps. with a Bowers can. It’s pretty flat out to around 150 yds, but then starts dropping off. One shot at 115 yds, and we were off to gut a deer. Great first hunt for her. It’s probably not one to get if you don’t plan on reloading for it, though. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 11/22/2020 9:58:31 PM EDT
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Another big vote for the 45-70. My Marlin 1895 GG is my go-to at Deer Camp. Love its consistent performance!
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Posted: 12/11/2020 4:30:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/11/2020 5:36:37 PM EDT
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GA, USA
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Posted: 1/4/2021 2:45:54 PM EDT
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Anyone know which states still have the straight wall regulation?
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Posted: 1/8/2021 7:54:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Zeebz]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dana: Anyone know which states still have the straight wall regulation? Michigan, Ohio, Iowa, New Hampshire, Indiana, and Delaware as far as I know. Michigan is kind of split in half, though. We have a line running through the center of the lower peninsula referred to as the "Rifle line." Below that line is the "Limited Firearm Deer Zone" and you're limited to shotguns, handguns, and rifles that shoot straight wall cartridges .357 caliber and above that have a case length no longer than 1.8". Above that line, though, you can use any centerfire rifle during gun season. 
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Posted: 1/10/2021 11:00:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: FritzTKatt]
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I believe Illinois and Iowa are straightwalls too.
NJ is a shotgun-slug and front-stuffer state. No rifle calibers at all, but you can use rifled shotgun barrels for sabots. Why you'd go to NJ is beyond me though. 50-95, so you can shoot through your deer, and the next 10, at 1000yds. I'm thinking about trying to shoot a deer with the 45acp and 220gr RNFP next year. I assume it will work very well provided a good hit. Very large meplat, probably 32cal flat. Should punch quite a hole. ETA: you already listed Iowa... oops. |
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Posted: 1/10/2021 12:27:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FritzTKatt: I believe Illinois and Iowa are straightwalls too. NJ is a shotgun-slug and front-stuffer state. No rifle calibers at all, but you can use rifled shotgun barrels for sabots. Why you'd go to NJ is beyond me though. 50-95, so you can shoot through your deer, and the next 10, at 1000yds. I'm thinking about trying to shoot a deer with the 45acp and 220gr RNFP next year. I assume it will work very well provided a good hit. Very large meplat, probably 32cal flat. Should punch quite a hole. ETA: you already listed Iowa... oops. I'm not sure how it is in other states, but at least it is like this in Michigan which I find kind of funny and contradictory. So we have those limitations for deer, right? But in the Limited Firearm Zone if you're hunting anything else besides deer you can use any centerfire you want for the most part. I could shoot a squirrel with a 338 Lapua if I wanted. The only other limitation we have is for coyote hunting where you're restricted to something .269 caliber or less in the limited firearm zone, so you can still use a 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC, .243 Win, etc. Just shows you how clueless the people making the laws are. I can shoot a coyote with a 6.5 Creedmoor but not a deer. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 3/26/2021 5:47:24 PM EDT
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So right, Zeebz. I'm in MI, too, and I picked up a Ruger American in 350 Legend. Should be plenty of juice but easier for my sons to shoot than 450 BM.
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Posted: 3/30/2021 9:26:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jregan28: So right, Zeebz. I'm in MI, too, and I picked up a Ruger American in 350 Legend. Should be plenty of juice but easier for my sons to shoot than 450 BM. I had a 350 Legend for a bit and liked it. Your sons will enjoy it. Almost no recoil and it was pretty accurate. If you got one of the Rugers with a longer barrel (20" or more) it should also nip at the heels of the 30-30 Win in terms of performance if you use the flex tip rounds. I only went back to a Bushmaster because I got a screaming deal on one of the stainless Ruger No. 1s in 450 Bushmaster. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/2/2021 9:08:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zeebz: ...stainless Ruger No. 1s in 450 Bushmaster. A stainless Ruger No. 1 would be hard to say "no" to in any caliber. Nice snag. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 5/5/2021 12:55:44 PM EDT
[#14]
Love my Marlin..
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Posted: 5/5/2021 1:10:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: StromBusa]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bubbatheredneck: Ive always thought the 444 Marlin was a cool round, but never owned a rifle so chambered.  Fun lever gun, EZ to load, normally allot of pistol bullets for plinking/steel. Hammers deer with rifle bullets. I consider recoil to be mild. Cast works. ETA: accurate |
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Posted: 8/4/2021 7:46:34 AM EDT
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If I hunt with friends, it will again be my 45-70. If I stay home and hunt my property, hipoint 10mm.
Sadly for me, it's one or the other. I only get opening day off for gun season. |
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MN, USA
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Posted: 8/4/2021 8:13:50 AM EDT
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45/70 master race, 450 marlin, and 444 are great choices.
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Posted: 8/4/2021 8:42:52 AM EDT
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My wife and I killed a lot of deer with .44 Mag..........the bullets that worked best were Sierra 180 gr. JHP.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 8/4/2021 9:02:16 AM EDT
[#19]
.450 in the field to 250 yds .44 in the woods 150 max. No 4570 here.
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Posted: 8/4/2021 9:57:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MallNinja531]
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Edit- deleted due to dupe
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Posted: 8/17/2021 8:05:08 PM EDT
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Question for Ohio Deer Hunters using mag fed rifles (Ar15) and the 3rd limit.
Can the magazine hold more than 3rds? It it legal hunt with a 5rd or 10rd magazine but only load 3 rounds in the gun at a time? Or does the magazine need to be plugged to only hold 3 rounds? https://ohiodnr.gov/static/documents/wildlife/laws-regs-licenses/Ohio%20Hunting%20and%20Trapping%20Regulations%20ENGLISH.pdf We "get" to hunt with 10rds in any center-fire cartridge in Missouri. |
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Posted: 8/17/2021 10:34:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drobs: Question for Ohio Deer Hunters using mag fed rifles (Ar15) and the 3rd limit. Can the magazine hold more than 3rds? It it legal hunt with a 5rd or 10rd magazine but only load 3 rounds in the gun at a time? Or does the magazine need to be plugged to only hold 3 rounds? https://ohiodnr.gov/static/documents/wildlife/laws-regs-licenses/Ohio%20Hunting%20and%20Trapping%20Regulations%20ENGLISH.pdf We "get" to hunt with 10rds in any center-fire cartridge in Missouri. It does not matter how many the mag holds. You can only have 3 in the gun. |
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Posted: 8/18/2021 9:56:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By shotar: It does not matter how many the mag holds. You can only have 3 in the gun. Thanks! |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 8/31/2021 3:22:16 PM EDT
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I started out with a Franklin Armory .450 BM upper on a older Bushmaster lower the first year we could use them in Michigan. I didn't really care for it so I got a custom made H&R single shot in .450 BM from a local gunsmith (there weren't really many choices at that time for anything other than an AR) that I have used and taken deer with since then. They haven't run far, but the blood trails have not been good with the Hornadys that it likes best. I have also experienced some shoulder issues in the last couple years that make the recoil of the .450 BM less tolerable than it once was.
I just bought a Winchester XPR in .350 legend that I intend to use this season if I can find ammo before deer season starts. |
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Posted: 8/31/2021 4:29:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StromBusa: take a look at .444 Sort of a 44 magnum magnum. Always wanted one of those. |
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Posted: 9/9/2021 12:27:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bullnose: I started out with a Franklin Armory .450 BM upper on a older Bushmaster lower the first year we could use them in Michigan. I didn't really care for it so I got a custom made H&R single shot in .450 BM from a local gunsmith (there weren't really many choices at that time for anything other than an AR) that I have used and taken deer with since then. They haven't run far, but the blood trails have not been good with the Hornadys that it likes best. I have also experienced some shoulder issues in the last couple years that make the recoil of the .450 BM less tolerable than it once was. I shot two with the Hornadys last year. One deer at 160, the other at about 50. The one at 50 was a complete pass through and that deer ran about 50 yards and left a great blood trail. The one at 160, though, never had the bullet exit but it dropped that deer like a bag of bricks. That one ran 5 feet then just keeled over right there. But yeah it seems like up close it'll pass through, but beyond 100 yards it doesn't get enough push to pass through a deer. |
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Posted: 9/9/2021 12:58:06 AM EDT
[Last Edit: SEAN10MM]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lonesome_Dave: Sort of a 44 magnum magnum. Always wanted one of those. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lonesome_Dave: Originally Posted By StromBusa: take a look at .444 Sort of a 44 magnum magnum. Always wanted one of those. Yes. They are great rifles. My Marlin loves the Hornady Superformance 265gr load. I do want to try some of the Underwood Extreme loads with the Leigh all-copper bullets. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 9/12/2021 9:27:22 PM EDT
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I invited a friend from work to brings his 12 and 13 year old sons out to my place for Michigan's youth deer hunt this weekend. The 13 year old took a nice fat spike after about 15 minutes in the stand yesterday morning. CVA single shot rifle in .44 mag. Hornady 180 grain XTP with a starting charge of Accurate #7 to keep the recoil down. Double lung and bottom of spine shot, complete pass through at about 40 yards. His brother had to wait until almost last light to get a very nice doe at about 50 yards with my AR in .350L using the Winchester deer season xp 150 grain load. High shoulder shot shredded both lungs and exited. Both deer dropped where they were standing. Two very happy boys and one very proud dad!
The AR in .350 is about the lowest recoil, deer-appropriate cartridge/rifle set-up I can think of for a straight wall limited area. The evil collapsible stock meant it could be adjusted to fit a rather short kid. An ambi safety made it work for a left-hander, and a red dot was easy for a novice shooter, especially because eye relief isn't critical. The older boy had done more shooting, so he was comfortable with the longer stock and scope of the .44 mag. Neither boy had any interest at all in using their dad's Ruger American in .450 Bushmaster when there were options with less recoil available. |
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Posted: 9/12/2021 9:30:12 PM EDT
[#29]
450
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USA
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Posted: 9/12/2021 10:12:08 PM EDT
[#30]
45-70, .450 Marlin, and 445 Supermag have similar performance.
I like 445 because you can shoot 44 Special and Magnum in it, and 45-70 because you can shoot .458 bullets. .450 Marlin doesn't do anything a heavily loaded 45-70 Government can't, and the belt might exclude it from straight-wall definitions. I figure its days are numbered. |
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Posted: 9/12/2021 10:20:03 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mercersfinest4: I have a Tromix 458 SOCOM upper that I plan to try this season. Would that round be eligible? It does have a slight taper. 458 SOCOM is bottlenecked, not straight wall. |
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Posted: 10/28/2021 10:23:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zeebz: Michigan, Ohio, Iowa, New Hampshire, Indiana, and Delaware as far as I know.   |
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USA
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Posted: 10/28/2021 11:37:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JCoop: New Hampshire has never had a straight wall cartridge restriction as far as I know. But it's still a hoot shooting deer with an AR in .450 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/143025/450buck-1264296.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JCoop: Originally Posted By Zeebz: Michigan, Ohio, Iowa, New Hampshire, Indiana, and Delaware as far as I know. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/143025/450buck-1264296.jpg |
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Posted: 10/29/2021 12:37:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JCoop: New Hampshire has never had a straight wall cartridge restriction as far as I know. But it's still a hoot shooting deer with an AR in .450 https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/143025/450buck-1264296.jpg Nice buck. I think I got confused because I read New Hampshire can limit hunting by towns. Some towns are "rifle prohibited" and some are not based on what I saw. |
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Posted: 10/29/2021 2:31:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zeebz: Nice buck. I think I got confused because I read New Hampshire can limit hunting by towns. Some towns are "rifle prohibited" and some are not based on what I saw. |
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Posted: 10/29/2021 2:40:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HuntingForFun: Congratulations on the nice buck! |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 10/29/2021 2:47:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Onlyaspike]
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Just put together a 350 legend AR yesterday....Hope it shoots as good as it looks...gonna try 180gr through it first
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ASM
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Posted: 10/29/2021 3:05:14 PM EDT
[#38]
350 Legend is really interesting and I'm not in a restricted state.
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Posted: 10/29/2021 3:06:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alemonkey: Look into JES reboring. I have an old Marlin that was rebored from 30-30 to 38-55. Great shooter. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alemonkey: Originally Posted By bodybagger: Originally Posted By SteelonSteel: Not required but I have been playing with .38-55 in a high wall clone. 265 grain flat nose. It will kill food. I'm looking at getting into the .38-55 game myself. I think I want a lever gun but I recently saw the Lyman Ideal Sharps. A high wall would be the beans too. I need to look at those. Tennessee is not a straight wall state but I dig old cartridges. Yep. I had JES rebore a Marlin 336 to .38-55. Pretty easy to reload and surprisingly accurate and fun to shoot with cast bullets. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 12/21/2021 9:30:45 PM EDT
[#40]
I just found this guy... has anyone heard anything about this round? I have killed a handful of deer with both my Henry 45-70 and Fightlite SCR 350 Legend so I'm looking for something different.
500 Auto Max Buffalo Bore 500 Auto Max Ammo Big Horn Armory AR10 Review |
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USA
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Posted: 12/21/2021 11:52:46 PM EDT
[#41]
I've killed several deer with both 44mag and 45/70.
They both worked just fine. That said, I hunt woods, so 100 yards would be a long shot. The 44mags are single shots, the 45/70 is a Marlin lever. |
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Posted: 12/22/2021 12:09:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/22/2021 12:21:19 AM EDT
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.450 Bushmaster masrer race checking in......your .450 is all you need for deer.
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/18/2022 3:35:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: bullnose]
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I took a nice 8 point with my .350 Legend the second Saturday of Michigan's 2021 firearms season. It was a touch over 100 yards and it ran all of 20 after the shot and dropped dead. I couldn't find an exit hole, but I suppose the blood trail isn't as important when they drop in sight.
I was so happy with it I sold my .450 last month without a second thought. I'll take the Legend's light recoil and reduced muzzle blast over the .450 any day. To be honest, in 40 years of deer hunting in upper and lower Michigan I've never shot at a deer over 130 yards. I'd still use the .350 "up North" in the regular rifle zone as I'm not a long range/precision shooter and uncomfortable taking shots at deer past 200 yards anyway. That's just me, though. I'm still thinking about picking up a 6.5 Grendel just because... |
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Posted: 5/20/2022 12:58:39 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bullnose: To be honest, in 40 years of deer hunting in upper and lower Michigan I've never shot at a deer over 130 yards. I'd still use the .350 "up North" in the regular rifle zone as I'm not a long range/precision shooter and uncomfortable taking shots at deer past 200 yards anyway. That's just me, though. I'm still thinking about picking up a 6.5 Grendel just because... It's funny because I have my 7mm Rem Mag which I bought for elk and as a long range deer rifle. I do some hunting up north, and some down below the rifle line. I get most of my deer below the line with my .450 Bushmaster. But you are right... even up north I don't have anywhere to hunt where I can stretch the legs out on the 7mm Rem Mag. All the spots I hunt in are 150 yards or less. For most hunting all you really do need is a .450 or .350. I used to think I was being gimped having a gun that can't shoot over 240 yards, but it isn't the case. There isn't really anywhere around me to hunt where I can even get that kind of range. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 10/13/2022 11:57:02 AM EDT
[#46]
I think you mean straight wall cartridge. Calibers don't have a shape.
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Posted: 10/13/2022 4:34:39 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bodybagger: The .375 to me was a solution to a problem that didn't exist. I guess Winchester was afraid of a hot .38-55 getting into old original guns. It's a good cartridge but lacks nostalgia. Although Starline did start producing cases (thank you boys!) Components are tough to find and guns are pretty rare also . Fine useful cartridge if you have a gun and ammo but 45/70 is way easier to get started with . Just stop off in most any gun store and grab what you need. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 4:39:16 PM EDT
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.45 raptor (large AR)
.350 Legend (smol AR) Seem to be the best picks for the AR platforms. |
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Posted: 10/13/2022 4:59:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FlynnDawg5454]
[#49]
Originally Posted By AJE: Tried .44 mag - didn't think it had enough power for my liking. Jumped up to a .450 Bushmaster last year. Unfortunately the weather sucked during our one week gun season and I never put a shot on a deer. What are you guys using in states that have this requirement? I shot an Iowa buck last year using an AR15 in 450 Bushmaster. One shot in the kill zone at 185 yards that went through and through. He ran about 50 yards through the woods. The blood trail looked like someone walked along with a bucket of blood. Plenty of gun out to a couple hundred yards. Another guy in the group used an AR in 350 Legend and another used a Marlin lever gun in 45-70. They all killed deer just fine. |
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Posted: 7/21/2023 8:43:05 AM EDT
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Well, I've again revisited this question and a Savage in .350 followed me home. Shot it yesterday. Zeroed in 5 shots and shot a sub moa group out of the box. Much less recoil and much lighter to bang around the woods than my marlin.
The savage will be my traveling hunter. The Marlin I'll use at home for the back 40. |
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