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Posted: 5/14/2024 1:02:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: I think 1% of the budget is Foriegn aid. We're not going broke sending weapons to Ukraine. And not sending Ukraine weapons won't help the debt a single bit. What it will do is tell our allies and the non-allies that we're trying to recruit that the US is a terrible ally. Very possibly making them have to break alliances with us and joining China and Russia to protect their backsides. The US cannot confront or defeat China and Russia alone. We have to have strong alliances to win in the Indo-Pacific. Our strong alliances allow us to punch way above our weight. If we do anything to undermine our alliances......like not being a reliable trustworthy partner. Then we can lose this thing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: Originally Posted By Frank762: I am good with that. Our country sends far too much blood and treasure overseas. And no, Ukraine is no exception. I think 1% of the budget is Foriegn aid. We're not going broke sending weapons to Ukraine. And not sending Ukraine weapons won't help the debt a single bit. What it will do is tell our allies and the non-allies that we're trying to recruit that the US is a terrible ally. Very possibly making them have to break alliances with us and joining China and Russia to protect their backsides. The US cannot confront or defeat China and Russia alone. We have to have strong alliances to win in the Indo-Pacific. Our strong alliances allow us to punch way above our weight. If we do anything to undermine our alliances......like not being a reliable trustworthy partner. Then we can lose this thing. Taiwan is not receiving weapons it paid for, because production capacity has been directed to Ukraine, to the tune of $19 Billion backlog. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 1:07:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sketti: Clearly the cult still can't see it! Imagine betting on the losing horse for a race that's already underway. Most people with common sense wouldn't make those bets, they understand it's just throwing money away! So what does a win for Russia actually look like, other than a huge pyrrhic mess? By golly, they win (whatever that means) - but they lost nearly everything military-wise that they owned? |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 1:09:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paraflare: When our sons are sent to die, I will remember the weak foreign policy of the west and the people like Sketti who supported and even cheered for Russian victory. I just hope the supporters of Russian aggression are old enough to be drafted. Well that's not very nice. Why does your son need to go die? Mount up and head there yourself if it is so important to you. You'll be welcomed with open arms. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 1:14:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheOtherDave: You’re going to spend out last dollar to the last Ukranian. Naw dog, that dollar is going to some guy coming across the southern border that will use that dollar to wage domestic war on Americans. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 1:34:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TotalNovice]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sketti:  The Cult: Complaining about wasting billions of stolen tax payer monies on a corrupt foreign country = cheering for a Russian victory Let's be honest. It's not really about money for you, or many others. Even if Ukraine committed to paying the money back you wouldn't switch to backing a succesful Ukrainian defence, you'd continue to post BS about Zelensky being a little comedian, or biolabs, or Nazis. The money is insignificant vs. the amount we waste on pork bellied spending each year in and outside of defence spending. And this money actually helps our position in Europe, you know some of our largest trading partners, which really upsets Russia but the EU actually welcomes (unlike Russian influence in Europe.) |
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KS, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 1:44:31 PM EDT
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Approved in April. How long does it take for that stuff to get to the front?
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:12:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Gelandewagen]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fssf158: Approved in April. How long does it take for that stuff to get to the front? Years. People actual need to read these packages and not just headlines.  New American Military Aid for Ukraine - What's in the package and what impact will it have? Yes it's an hour. Hit the 1.25 or 1.5 speed and listen on your commute or next shit if you actually want to understand stuff beyond headlines, memes and propaganda rehetoric. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:25:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TotalNovice: Let's be honest. It's not really about money for you, or many others. Even if Ukraine committed to paying the money back you wouldn't switch to backing a succesful Ukrainian defence, you'd continue to post BS about Zelensky being a little comedian, or biolabs, or Nazis. The money is insignificant vs. the amount we waste on pork bellied spending each year in and outside of defence spending. And this money actually helps our position in Europe, you know some of our largest trading partners, which really upsets Russia but the EU actually welcomes (unlike Russian influence in Europe.) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TotalNovice: Originally Posted By Sketti: The Cult: Complaining about wasting billions of stolen tax payer monies on a corrupt foreign country = cheering for a Russian victory Let's be honest. It's not really about money for you, or many others. Even if Ukraine committed to paying the money back you wouldn't switch to backing a succesful Ukrainian defence, you'd continue to post BS about Zelensky being a little comedian, or biolabs, or Nazis. The money is insignificant vs. the amount we waste on pork bellied spending each year in and outside of defence spending. And this money actually helps our position in Europe, you know some of our largest trading partners, which really upsets Russia but the EU actually welcomes (unlike Russian influence in Europe.) This.  |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 4:19:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frank762: I am good with that. Our country sends far too much blood and treasure overseas. And no, Ukraine is no exception. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frank762: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By Frank762: Those damn Republicans!  Mike Johnson literally refused to bring the bill to the floor at the behest of extremists such as MTG. I am good with that. Our country sends far too much blood and treasure overseas. And no, Ukraine is no exception. Except he allowed it to come to the floor it in the end. What we are doing is the worst of both worlds. Pick a course and stick to it. Withhold aid and tell Ukraine they are going to have to deal with it or send enough to make a difference up front. Really I think this whole thing could have been avoided if Biden hadn’t telegraphed weakness before the invasion. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 4:29:55 PM EDT
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I've just learned to accept that if my money isn't wasted there it will be wasted somewhere equally unhelpful for the country.
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:07:38 PM EDT
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Ukraine better watch it!
At this rate of advance Kyiv will fall in just 103 years and western Ukraine in 256 years. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:26:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TotalNovice: Let's be honest. It's not really about money for you, or many others. Even if Ukraine committed to paying the money back you wouldn't switch to backing a succesful Ukrainian defence, you'd continue to post BS about Zelensky being a little comedian, or biolabs, or Nazis. The money is insignificant vs. the amount we waste on pork bellied spending each year in and outside of defence spending. And this money actually helps our position in Europe, you know some of our largest trading partners, which really upsets Russia but the EU actually welcomes (unlike Russian influence in Europe.) It's a cult. They'll throw away 70 years of Russia being a adversary of the US, once Trump had a bunch of nice things to say about Xi, Putin and Kim. And always sad bad things about NATO. So they're now fully on board the Putin train. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:36:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2024 5:39:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Anastasios]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BoomerShooter: "Extremists" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BoomerShooter: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Mike Johnson literally refused to bring the bill to the floor at the behest of extremists such as MTG. "Extremists" I am appalled at the number of members here who are all in with forever wars. They truly do love Big Brother. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 6:45:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bogdan: Ah yes the russians setting a new record for daily casualties and equipment loss before the US aid gets here. Sketti thread. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 6:48:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sketti: The Cult: Complaining about wasting billions of stolen tax payer monies on a corrupt foreign country = cheering for a Russian victory I’m fingers crossed for a Russia win. Then they can rebuild it or not. Otherwise if Ukraine sues for peace and gives up territory (let’s be honest they’re never going back to prewar borders) then we’ll end up paying for that too. Halliburton execs masturbate furiously at the thought of a decade worth of US funded contracts rebuilding Europes taint. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 6:58:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Anastasios: I am appalled at the number of members here who are all in with forever wars. They truly do love Big Brother. Why Russia no go home? Do they not have self agency or are they just puppets of the US Military Industrial Complex, World Bank and Neo Cons? |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:00:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmyInfantryVet: It's a cult. They'll throw away 70 years of Russia being a adversary of the US, once Trump had a bunch of nice things to say about Xi, Putin and Kim. And always sad bad things about NATO. So they're now fully on board the Putin train. You obviously have no idea what your talking about and are living in fantasy land when it comes to Trump's foreign policy. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:11:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gelandewagen: Why Russia no go home? Do they not have self agency or are they just puppets of the US Military Industrial Complex, World Bank and Neo Cons? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gelandewagen: Originally Posted By Anastasios: I am appalled at the number of members here who are all in with forever wars. They truly do love Big Brother. Why Russia no go home? Do they not have self agency or are they just puppets of the US Military Industrial Complex, World Bank and Neo Cons? Big Brother really does own your mind, body, and soul. They sold you to the boogie man outside your window, and the monster under your bed. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:37:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Anastasios: I am appalled at the number of members here who are all in with forever wars. They truly do love Big Brother. Only Russian forever wars are okay. Those are based, red pilled, and human wave attacks losing hundreds of men for each failure are the Christ-centered values we need. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:47:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OscarD: I’m fingers crossed for a Russia win. Then they can rebuild it or not. Otherwise if Ukraine sues for peace and gives up territory (let’s be honest they’re never going back to prewar borders) then we’ll end up paying for that too. Halliburton execs masturbate furiously at the thought of a decade worth of US funded contracts rebuilding Europes taint. "nobody is rooting for Russia! You Pro-Ukraine boys are making stuff up!" |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 7:47:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AaronR]
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Originally Posted By fssf158: Approved in April. How long does it take for that stuff to get to the front? https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3773446/us-aid-reaching-ukraine-as-russia-attacks-near-kharkiv/ "U.S. military aid is reaching Ukraine as that nation's military strives to blunt Russian attacks in the Kharkiv region, said Sabrina Singh, deputy Pentagon press secretary....... ......She said the U.S. aid is getting to Ukraine quickly, noting that the Defense Department had pre-positioned aid in advance of Congressional approval of the supplemental aid package. "When the supplemental was passed, we were able to flow that assistance right in," Singh said." |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:12:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TotalNovice: Let's be honest. It's not really about money for you, or many others. Even if Ukraine committed to paying the money back you wouldn't switch to backing a succesful Ukrainian defence, you'd continue to post BS about Zelensky being a little comedian, or biolabs, or Nazis. The money is insignificant vs. the amount we waste on pork bellied spending each year in and outside of defence spending. And this money actually helps our position in Europe, you know some of our largest trading partners, which really upsets Russia but the EU actually welcomes (unlike Russian influence in Europe.) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TotalNovice: Originally Posted By Sketti: The Cult: Complaining about wasting billions of stolen tax payer monies on a corrupt foreign country = cheering for a Russian victory Let's be honest. It's not really about money for you, or many others. Even if Ukraine committed to paying the money back you wouldn't switch to backing a succesful Ukrainian defence, you'd continue to post BS about Zelensky being a little comedian, or biolabs, or Nazis. The money is insignificant vs. the amount we waste on pork bellied spending each year in and outside of defence spending. And this money actually helps our position in Europe, you know some of our largest trading partners, which really upsets Russia but the EU actually welcomes (unlike Russian influence in Europe.) If the EU actually cared, they'd stop buying oil products from Russia. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:18:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OscarD: I’m fingers crossed for a Russia win. Then they can rebuild it or not. Otherwise if Ukraine sues for peace and gives up territory (let’s be honest they’re never going back to prewar borders) then we’ll end up paying for that too. Halliburton execs masturbate furiously at the thought of a decade worth of US funded contracts rebuilding Europes taint. I can't imagine letting my life become so unbalanced that this statement would seem like a reasonable thing to write. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:38:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: "nobody is rooting for Russia! You Pro-Ukraine boys are making stuff up!" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By OscarD: I'm fingers crossed for a Russia win. Then they can rebuild it or not. Otherwise if Ukraine sues for peace and gives up territory (let's be honest they're never going back to prewar borders) then we'll end up paying for that too. Halliburton execs masturbate furiously at the thought of a decade worth of US funded contracts rebuilding Europes taint. "nobody is rooting for Russia! You Pro-Ukraine boys are making stuff up!" Finally, some honesty from you! |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 8:47:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Sketti: Finally, some honesty from you! Are you high on ketamine or have blurry vision? To be fair you might have missed to what he is replying on. You probably did because otherwise your reply is pants on the head retarded. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:01:26 PM EDT
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Ukraine is not an ally. They are using us for our money and weapons, and we are using them for their cannon fodder. But by all means, keep throwing men and equipment and burning budgets for yet another lost cause that is in our "interests", as if we haven't heard this tired lie before. How many interventions does it take for a neocon to finally wake up? Apparently an infinite number is the answer.
The inevitable Russian victory will make absolutely zero difference in my life. Ukraine is neither indispensable nor is it relevant to our hemisphere. But the miscalculations and blatantly stupid foreign policy and spending by our own Government will make a huge difference here at home. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:11:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Russia claims to have captured just under 25,000 acres. Perhaps they can use that land to start a modestly sized wheat farm. Fertilized with the bodies of Russian conscripts forced into suicidal mass assaults. Russia going to discover the meaning of a Pyrrhic victory should they not be defeated in the end. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:21:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By erichard: Fertilized with the bodies of Russian conscripts forced into suicidal mass assaults. Russia going to discover the meaning of a Pyrrhic victory should they not be defeated in the end. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By erichard: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Russia claims to have captured just under 25,000 acres. Perhaps they can use that land to start a modestly sized wheat farm. Fertilized with the bodies of Russian conscripts forced into suicidal mass assaults. Russia going to discover the meaning of a Pyrrhic victory should they not be defeated in the end. Most of the dead are Ukrainian Normies impressed into fighting on both sides. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:25:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kihn: Most of the dead are Ukrainian Normies impressed into fighting on both sides. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kihn: Originally Posted By erichard: Originally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Russia claims to have captured just under 25,000 acres. Perhaps they can use that land to start a modestly sized wheat farm. Fertilized with the bodies of Russian conscripts forced into suicidal mass assaults. Russia going to discover the meaning of a Pyrrhic victory should they not be defeated in the end. Most of the dead are Ukrainian Normies impressed into fighting on both sides. Russian losses are multiples of Ukrainian casualties. Seems to be no realistic dispute of this. Russian leadership should really be ashamed. Probably a lot of decent Russian citizenry lost that did not volunteer for suicide orders. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:47:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By erichard: Russian losses are multiples of Ukrainian casualties. Seems to be no realistic dispute of this. Russian leadership should really be ashamed. Probably a lot of decent Russian citizenry lost that did not volunteer for suicide orders. Still, the Russians outnumber the Ukrainians by 7 to 1 in the Donbass. And that is coming from Uke sources. They outnumber the Ukrainians at least 5 to 1 in artillery. And I shouldn't have to mention the differences in the capacity for production, in which the Russians have a vast advantage. Even drunk Russians with poor tactics can win with such odds, and we are not even close to being capable of offsetting these anytime soon. So why even bother? A couple dozen F-16's aren't going to change anything. Nor are a handful of Patriot systems. And I guarantee you we have given them far more than we have acknowledged, which says a lot about Uke chances of any sort of victory. Time to quit pretending and day dreaming now... |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:55:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThreadKiller: Still, the Russians outnumber the Ukrainians by 7 to 1 in the Donbass. And that is coming from Uke sources. They outnumber the Ukrainians at least 5 to 1 in artillery. And I shouldn't have to mention the differences in the capacity for production, in which the Russians have a vast advantage. Even drunk Russians with poor tactics can win with such odds, and we are not even close to being capable of offsetting these anytime soon. So why even bother? A couple dozen F-16's aren't going to change anything. Nor are a handful of Patriot systems. And I guarantee you we have given them far more than we have acknowledged, which says a lot about Uke chances of any sort of victory. Time to quit pretending and day dreaming now... What should Ukraine do? |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 9:59:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: What should Ukraine do? Negotiate for peace and end the conflict. UKR will never be a NATO member nation, freeze the borders where they are, and get on with life. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:00:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: Negotiate for peace and end the conflict. UKR will never be a NATO member nation, freeze the borders where they are, and get on with life. So cede territory and live under the threat of further Russian invasion and occupation? Why would they accept that? Would you accept those terms? |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:04:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: What should Ukraine do? It's not my place to say. Nor is it even remotely my problem what they chose to do. They can fight and die if they want. Can't say I would do differently in their shoes. But Ukraine is not my country. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:04:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: So cede territory and live under the threat of further Russian invasion and occupation? Why would they accept that? Would you accept those terms? Ukraine has no chance of winning back the territory they lost. Equipment will not do it, they simply do not have the manpower as mentioned earlier. They are entirely dependent on other nations for support. If Ukraine wants to exist as Ukraine, they don't really have a choice there. Would I accept those terms? No, but I'm an American with a Federal reserve that can print and spend unlimited money. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:07:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: Ukraine has no chance of winning back the territory they lost. Equipment will not do it, they simply do not have the manpower as mentioned earlier. They are entirely dependent on other nations for support. If Ukraine wants to exist as Ukraine, they don't really have a choice there. Would I accept those terms? No, but I'm an American with a Federal reserve that can print and spend unlimited money. So the capitulate and no longer have sovereignty or they fight and have a slim chance. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:08:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: So cede territory and live under the threat of further Russian invasion and occupation? Why would they accept that? Would you accept those terms? When you lose a war, it doesn't really matter what you want. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:08:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By erichard: Russian losses are multiples of Ukrainian casualties. Seems to be no realistic dispute of this. Russian leadership should really be ashamed. Probably a lot of decent Russian citizenry lost that did not volunteer for suicide orders. Russia was recruiting mostly from minority populations. Since the theater attack, supposedly, recruitment has been easier- for many, many volunteers. If you watch the Garand THumb video with the two volunteers (American and Canadian IIRC) on the Uke side they talk about who is dying. They said it was mostly Ukes now going down on both sides in the 'meat grinder'. People being impressed and then sent to the front with minimal training and zero chance as the veteran fighters are not the ones being forced to the front lines to press attacks. They stay back to pick up where the counterfire comes from with thermal and NV then go to work on that. The fresh bodies are used to draw fire and locate where it comes from. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:09:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BobRoberts]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThreadKiller: When you lose a war, it doesn't really matter what you want. Yet they haven’t lost, they have forces in the field and Russia is unable to exert influence over the territories they hoped to control. Ukraine and Russias goals aren’t the same. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:12:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: So the capitulate and no longer have sovereignty or they fight and have a slim chance. That is getting close to world history in a sentence. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:14:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: Yet they haven’t lost, they have forces in the field and Russia is unable to exert influence over the territories they hoped to control. Ukraine and Russias goals aren’t the same. If they keep fighting, they will eventually lose militarily. And they will have to face everything that comes with that. Once an army is broken, there is nothing politicians can do to change that. Money and equipment is meaningless if the fighting men are defeated. And that is exactly what is playing out now as we speak. In the last days of the US Civil War, Confederate leaders wanted to keep on fighting and move to an insurgent campaign with Gorilla Warfare to keep the war going. General Lee knew this was hopeless and convinced them it was foolhardy. The Confederate Army was broken, and there was no coming back from that. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:15:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BobRoberts]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: That is getting close to world history in a sentence. Meh I’ll give them the tools to fight. Instead of being a bitch to Russian aggression |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:15:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BobRoberts]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThreadKiller: If they keep fighting, they will eventually lose militarily. And they will have to face everything that comes with that. Once an army is broken, there is nothing politicians can do to change that. Money and equipment is meaningless if the fighting men are defeated. And that is exactly what is playing out now as we speak. In the last days of the US Civil War, Confederate leaders wanted to keep on fighting and move to an insurgent campaign with Gorilla Warfare to keep the war going. General Lee knew this was hopeless and convinced them it was foolhardy. The Confederate Army was broken, and there was no coming back from that. Lee was a loser and a bad general. For all the bluster of Ukraine being militarily defeated, they just need to continue to resist and out last the Russians, much like Washington was able to do. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:20:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: Lee was a loser and a bad general. He was a great General by all accounts and by any historical analysis. Who are you exactly? Some random internet expert... Doesn't matter really though, it was just a historical example that we should learn from. Not that you will. But this war will be won by Russia one way or another and you can't change that. This was always obvious to anyone who even remotely studied history. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:21:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TotalNovice: Let's be honest. It's not really about money for you, or many others. Even if Ukraine committed to paying the money back you wouldn't switch to backing a succesful Ukrainian defence, you'd continue to post BS about Zelensky being a little comedian, or biolabs, or Nazis. The money is insignificant vs. the amount we waste on pork bellied spending each year in and outside of defence spending. And this money actually helps our position in Europe, you know some of our largest trading partners, which really upsets Russia but the EU actually welcomes (unlike Russian influence in Europe.) Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TotalNovice: Originally Posted By Sketti: The Cult: Complaining about wasting billions of stolen tax payer monies on a corrupt foreign country = cheering for a Russian victory Let's be honest. It's not really about money for you, or many others. Even if Ukraine committed to paying the money back you wouldn't switch to backing a succesful Ukrainian defence, you'd continue to post BS about Zelensky being a little comedian, or biolabs, or Nazis. The money is insignificant vs. the amount we waste on pork bellied spending each year in and outside of defence spending. And this money actually helps our position in Europe, you know some of our largest trading partners, which really upsets Russia but the EU actually welcomes (unlike Russian influence in Europe.)  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:24:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: For all the bluster of Ukraine being militarily defeated, they just need to continue to resist and out last the Russians, much like Washington was able to do. Oh is that what happened? The French didn't have anything to do with it? There is a big difference between England fighting a war across the Ocean over a vast territory and Russia subjugating a neighbor it borders, regardless of the century. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:25:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThreadKiller: He was a great General by all accounts and by any historical analysis. Who are you exactly? Some random internet expert... Doesn't matter really though, it was just a historical example that we should learn from. Not that you will. But this war will be won by Russia one way or another and you can't change that. This was always obvious to anyone who even remotely studied history. I’m not a simp for a Napoleonic general trying to fight a industrial War. He really wasn’t a great General, he killed his men in support of chattel slavery: Washington and Giáp were able to prosecute successful multi year campaigns against the preeminent world powers. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:25:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BobRoberts: Lee was a loser and a bad general. For all the bluster of Ukraine being militarily defeated, they just need to continue to resist and out last the Russians, much like Washington was able to do. It's highly unlikely they outlast the Russians. Forget about gear, in terms of fighting age men. There is little to no domestic manufacturing in Ukraine and they are nearly 100% dependent on foreign nations aid. Russia easily outproduces them, and apparently when it comes to artillery, most of the western nations too. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 10:26:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ThreadKiller: Oh is that what happened? The French didn't have anything to do with it? There is a big difference between England fighting a war across the Ocean over a vast territory and Russia subjugating a neighbor it borders, regardless of the century. Not really. The Irish were able to get their Freedom from the British and its right next door. |
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