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Posted: 5/14/2024 12:55:53 PM EDT
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City council just needs to get a height restriction ordnance. Or ordinance. Either will get the job done.
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Posted: 5/14/2024 12:55:57 PM EDT
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The architecture sucks.
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UT, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 1:10:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: The temples are gorgeous across the board imo. It's impressive when they're on a hill, lit up at night, and you can see it for miles. The Bountiful and Draper temples in UT are very visible. Driving by them doesn't really convey a sense of welcoming or openness, though, being surrounded by a lovely iron fence. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 1:12:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: extractr]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: You realize that all other mainstream sects of Christianity recognize each other as being Christians but not the LDS church? https://www.simplycatholic.com/what-should-catholics-know-about-mormons/ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_and_Nicene_Christianity You do realize all "mainstream" Jewish leaders in Christ's day considered Christ to be a heretic and blasphemer. Didn't make them right. Remember when the people were astonished as Christ taught because he taught as one having authority and not as the scribes? That is what happens when men rely on their own understandings as there had not been prophets on the earth for centuries, and they had become solely reliant on the scriptures. They had become a scribal religion, just as mainstream Christianity has today, denying any "new" revelations or scripture. Christ ordained apostles to lead the church. We can see how their revelations in the early century helped resolve disputes among the church. Once they were killed off, the church once again began to rely on understandings and interpretations of men going forward, thus the need for political councils in an attempt to determine religious doctrine. Thus the need for the reformation as people relied on the understanding and interpretations of men, errors crept in to doctrine. All the reformation was was people trying to reinterpret the doctrine the best they could. Obviously we can see the result over time with 30,000+ different Christian sects today relying on men's interpretation is what lead the Jewish leaders of Christ's day and churches errors today. So the LDS church comes along claiming to be restored through Christ and has authority again, and additional words from God to back it up. I guess it's par for the course for the mainstream to fight back and reject it as "different", just as the scribes did in Christ's day. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 1:16:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mikeyb76: I find them to be monolithic and a forced, bland art-deco style. It's impressive when they're on a hill, lit up at night, and you can see it for miles. The Bountiful and Draper temples in UT are very visible. Driving by them doesn't really convey a sense of welcoming or openness, though, being surrounded by a lovely iron fence. Well, at least there was some talk about the actual zoning issues involved before it turned into the usual "My Sky-Wizard can beat up your Sky-Wizard" nonsense. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 1:17:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mikeyb76: I find them to be monolithic and a forced, bland art-deco style. It's impressive when they're on a hill, lit up at night, and you can see it for miles. The Bountiful and Draper temples in UT are very visible. Driving by them doesn't really convey a sense of welcoming or openness, though, being surrounded by a lovely iron fence. I can see why that is. But at the same time we’ve already seen arson as a “solution” for Mormon temples in this thread so I can’t fault them for having a fence around their property. Also in my experience, the fence is only closed at night, I’ve walked around a few during the day and like em. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 1:26:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By extractr: You do realize all "mainstream" Jewish leaders in Christ's day considered Christ to be a heretic and blasphemer. Didn't make them right. Remember when the people were astonished as Christ taught because he taught as one having authority and not as the scribes? That is what happens when men rely on their own understandings as there had not been prophets on the earth for centuries, and they had become solely reliant on the scriptures. They had become a scribal religion, just as mainstream Christianity has today. Christ ordained apostles to lead the church. We can see how their revelations in the early century helped resolve disputes among the church. Once they were killed off, the church once again began to rely on understandings and interpretations of men going forward, thus the need for political councils in an attempt to determine religious doctrine. Thus the need for the reformation as people relied on the understanding and interpretations of men, errors crept in to doctrine. All the reformation was was people trying to reinterpret the doctrine the best they could. Obviously we can see the result over time with 30,000+ different Christian sects today relying on men's interpretation is what lead the Jewish leaders of Christ's day and churches errors today. So the LDS church comes along claiming to be restored through Christ and has authority again, and additional words from God to back it up. I guess it's par for the course for the mainstream to fight back and reject it as "different". Part in bold, yes that is how it should be. Paul gave instructions to the early church on how to authenticate the teachings of apostles like himself or anything up to an angel from heaven (sounds familiar). It goes something like this, if they are changing the gospel, then let them be accursed, in Galatians 1:8 The Bible also ends with an explicit warning against removing or adding anything. So it shouldn't be a big surprise when mainstream bible readers are not keen on this. |
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WY, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 1:27:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 9mmstephen: Isn't there only 1? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 9mmstephen: Originally Posted By pineywoodsbuck: Originally Posted By Landsat8: How dare people worship Jesus Christ as they see fit and exercise freedom on their own property. They worship a different Jesus Christ, I think that's fairly obvious between Christians and Mormons Isn't there only 1? Is it the Jesus that created all things, who was God for all eternity? Or is it a created being who did not create all things, used to be a man and attained godhood, and is lucifers brother? Seems like a big difference. That is an entirely different God the father and Jesus Christ. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 1:28:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By contract: PRIVATE PROPERTY = do what you want. To say anything else is just non American. Traffic, views, etc. It's ALL an excuse to stop people form building/developing because the boomer GOT MINE, F everyone else. Poor little renter. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 1:39:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Off-the-Grid: Poor little renter. Pretty wild that people call themselves conservative when their attitude towards private property has more in common with the socialists. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 1:48:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: Pretty wild that people call themselves conservative when their attitude towards private property has more in common with the socialists. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: Originally Posted By Off-the-Grid: Poor little renter. Pretty wild that people call themselves conservative when their attitude towards private property has more in common with the socialists. Do conservatives bash an age group in every thread like the guy I quoted? He’s actually too stupid to know what age group belongs where, as proven in a thread yesterday. Pretty wild… |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 1:53:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Off-the-Grid: Do conservatives bash an age group in every thread like the guy I quoted? He’s actually too stupid to know what age group belongs where, as proven in a thread yesterday. Pretty wild… So they were mean to you because you are old and that justifies a socialist attitude towards private property? |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 1:58:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: extractr]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 56xdx_Z: Part in bold, yes that is how it should be. Paul gave instructions to the early church on how to authenticate the teachings of apostles like himself or anything up to an angel from heaven (sounds familiar). It goes something like this, if they are changing the gospel, then let them be accursed, in Galatians 1:8 The Bible also ends with an explicit warning against removing or adding anything. So it shouldn't be a big surprise when mainstream bible readers are not keen on this. So when the reformers changed the gospel, it was OK? If the people in the Catholic church were inspired enough to give us an infallible Bible, when did they become fallible, requiring a reformation? Protestants are the original "another gospel", thus why they were labeled as heretics and "protest"ants. Deuteronomy 4 also gives a warning about adding things. (2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.) Does that make anything beyond that false, including the entire New Testament? The Old Testament was around long before the new testament. Maybe the scribes of Christ's day used that verse in Deuteronomy as a justification for denying any new teaching as well. You do realize, The Book of Revelation was written before many of the other books in the Bible don't you? Probably not, because then by your logic, you would have to dismiss most of the Bible. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 1:58:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pellinore: The architecture sucks. Boring and soulless. What is your preferred architectural style? |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:03:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: So they were mean to you because you are old and that justifies a socialist attitude towards private property? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: Originally Posted By Off-the-Grid: Do conservatives bash an age group in every thread like the guy I quoted? He’s actually too stupid to know what age group belongs where, as proven in a thread yesterday. Pretty wild… So they were mean to you because you are old and that justifies a socialist attitude towards private property? What exactly did I say about private property that triggered you? No one was mean to me, lol. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:06:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 56xdx_Z: Part in bold, yes that is how it should be. Paul gave instructions to the early church on how to authenticate the teachings of apostles like himself or anything up to an angel from heaven (sounds familiar). It goes something like this, if they are changing the gospel, then let them be accursed, in Galatians 1:8 The Bible also ends with an explicit warning against removing or adding anything. So it shouldn't be a big surprise when mainstream bible readers are not keen on this. You read this in the king James version I'm guessing lol |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:07:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Off-the-Grid: What exactly did I say about private property that triggered you? No one was mean to me, lol. You seem to think that private property rights are something only renters would care about... |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:09:54 PM EDT
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People arguing and worrying about the height of a church steeple, while Rome burns around them.
Oh ok. Check please? |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:10:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Off-the-Grid]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: You seem to think that private property rights are something only renters would care about... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: Originally Posted By Off-the-Grid: What exactly did I say about private property that triggered you? No one was mean to me, lol. You seem to think that private property rights are something only renters would care about... I don’t know how you came up with that, but it’s pretty ignorant. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:13:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By extractr: You do realize all "mainstream" Jewish leaders in Christ's day considered Christ to be a heretic and blasphemer. Didn't make them right. Remember when the people were astonished as Christ taught because he taught as one having authority and not as the scribes? That is what happens when men rely on their own understandings as there had not been prophets on the earth for centuries, and they had become solely reliant on the scriptures. They had become a scribal religion, just as mainstream Christianity has today, denying any "new" revelations or scripture. Christ ordained apostles to lead the church. We can see how their revelations in the early century helped resolve disputes among the church. Once they were killed off, the church once again began to rely on understandings and interpretations of men going forward, thus the need for political councils in an attempt to determine religious doctrine. Thus the need for the reformation as people relied on the understanding and interpretations of men, errors crept in to doctrine. All the reformation was was people trying to reinterpret the doctrine the best they could. Obviously we can see the result over time with 30,000+ different Christian sects today relying on men's interpretation is what lead the Jewish leaders of Christ's day and churches errors today. So the LDS church comes along claiming to be restored through Christ and has authority again, and additional words from God to back it up. I guess it's par for the course for the mainstream to fight back and reject it as "different", just as the scribes did in Christ's day. You religion claims that God was a PHYSICAL MAN that died and was deemed worthy to become an omnipotent being, and that Jesus is his PHYSICAL offspring. That is not at all what any mainstream Christian churches espouse. That is what this is about. I know you believe that your religion is the "correct" interpretation and I don't begrudge you that, but it doesn't have anything to do with the commonly accepted notion of what defines Christianity. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:15:03 PM EDT
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FWIW: I would prefer not to have a big church next door to a residential neighborhood, but if the city zoning laws allow it, then that's that.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:18:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: medicmandan]
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:22:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PeepEater]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: You religion claims that God was a PHYSICAL MAN that died and was deemed worthy to become an omnipotent being, and that Jesus is his PHYSICAL offspring. That is not at all what any mainstream Christian churches espouse. That is what this is about. I know you believe that your religion is the "correct" interpretation and I don't begrudge you that, but it doesn't have anything to do with the commonly accepted notion of what defines Christianity. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:26:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: extractr]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zhukov: You religion claims that God was a PHYSICAL MAN that died and was deemed worthy to become an omnipotent being, and that Jesus is his PHYSICAL offspring. That is not at all what any mainstream Christian churches espouse. That is what this is about. I know you believe that your religion is the "correct" interpretation and I don't begrudge you that, but it doesn't have anything to do with the commonly accepted notion of what defines Christianity. You do realize Christ's teachings were denied as well, by the Jews, because they felt they didn't have anything to do with the commonly accepted notion of what defined Judaism? The scribes were so tied to the written word, they denied the source of it, just as is happening today in the world. Where in the Bible does it say God will never again reveal his words to mankind? Nowhere! Something he did from the beginning of mankind until Christ himself came and commanded his apostles to go forth and continue to teach and reveal his word. Once they were martyred and rejected, We saw what happened when men relied on themselves and not revelation. 30,000+ churches. We claim once again the heavens are open, and God is continuing to lead us through prophets. He has given us more understanding of his nature and presence through them, just as he instructed his people of old. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:27:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: patsue]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By extractr: So when the reformers changed the gospel, it was OK? If the people in the Catholic church were inspired enough to give us an infallible Bible, when did they become fallible, requiring a reformation? Protestants are the original "another gospel", thus why they were labeled as heretics and "protest"ants. Deuteronomy 4 also gives a warning about adding things. (2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.) Does that make anything beyond that false, including the entire New Testament? The Old Testament was around long before the new testament. Maybe the scribes of Christ's day used that verse in Deuteronomy as a justification for denying any new teaching as well. You do realize, The Book of Revelation was written before many of the other books in the Bible don't you? Probably not, because then by your logic, you would have to dismiss most of the Bible. Reformers did not “change” the gospel. They did what has happened through all church history when false teaching tries to influence. It was exposed by the scripture. Church history is full of reformations and that is a good thing. When false teaching creeped into the church a return to the scriptures always reformed the church. It continues to reform the church. It always will. What people don’t understand is the ramifications of the scriptures getting into the hands of common people. The Catholic Church had a monopoly on it before the printing press and could manipulate their power and authority. But once the scriptures were in the hands of people there was no going back. They confronted it with the final authority of Gods Word. The Catholic Church had raised its authority above that of the scriptures and were caught. Mormonism does it also. It claims the scriptures were corrupted with no proof, in fact a massive amount of hard evidence proves the opposite. But this is a distraction from the real issue. The Christ of Mormonism is incompatible with the Christ of the Bible. They are not the same in nature. The question of who Christ is has a completely different answer between orthodox Christians and Mormons. It isn’t enough to say “he is the son of God”. How Mormons define the son of God is completely different than that of scripture. Everything else is just a distraction. The Mormon church has a different Jesus. It is not a minor difference. It is the most important difference. There is nothing more important. You get Jesus wrong, you have God Himself wrong and you have the gospel wrong. I am very pessimistic that this will change any LDS minds but I want all the readers to know the issues here and they are free to ask me any questions PM if they want. I have lived on both sides of this for well over 5 decades. Patrick |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:34:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mikeyb76: I find them to be monolithic and a forced, bland art-deco style. It's impressive when they're on a hill, lit up at night, and you can see it for miles. The Bountiful and Draper temples in UT are very visible. Driving by them doesn't really convey a sense of welcoming or openness, though, being surrounded by a lovely iron fence. As a member of the dirty general public, you can go and see the temple once right after it's built, before they throw out all the tainted furnishings and lock the doors and gates forever to all those without a temple recommend. So mark it on your calendar, you only get one chance |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:35:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: Gnostic revelations such as The Pearl of Great Price and other LDS writings are diametrically opposed to Christian teachings. It's like a Muslim claiming to be Jewish because Abraham is mentioned in the Koran. I realize that this is pretty off in the weeds for the conversation but... If you ever get a chance to sit down with an Imam, particularly one who's gone through their education system, you need to get him talking about how they understand their spiritual heritage. Hearing them talk about how OT Jewish figures and even Jesus and the Apostles were observant Muslims is wild. They have a very anachronistic understanding of history that drives their apologetic which, if you're interested, is not that dissimilar to what our friend extractr has been posting here. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:37:16 PM EDT
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Mormons place themselves as equals to Jesus.
The New Testament teaches that Jesus, God the Son, is eternal and has no beginning. However, Mormonism teaches that Jesus is a procreated being, the literal offspring of God the Father and one of His heavenly wives. According to Mormon theology, God the Father, Elohim, dwells on a planet with His many spirit wives producing numerous spirit children who await to inhabit physical bodies so that they too may one day ascend to godhood as their parents did. Jesus is believed to be the firstborn spirit child of Elohim. The Doctrine and Covenants, one of the four sacred books of Mormonism states, “Christ, the Firstborn, was the mightiest of all the spirit children of the Father.”{1} The Gospel Principles, which is the manual of the Mormon Church, states, “The first spirit born to our heavenly parents was Jesus Christ.”{2} James Talmage, one of the early apostles of the church wrote, “[A]mong the spirit-children of Elohim, the firstborn was and is Jehovah or Jesus Christ to whom all others are juniors.”{3} According to the Mormon view, Jesus is not unique from the rest of mankind. He is simply the firstborn spirit child. The Doctrine and Covenants states, “The difference between Jesus and other offspring of Elohim is one of degree not of kind.”{4} That is why Mormons refer to Jesus as elder brother. James Talmage wrote, “Human beings generally were similarly existent in spirit state prior to their embodiment in the flesh. . . . There is no impropriety, therefore, in speaking of Jesus Christ as the Elder Brother of the rest of mankind.”{5} Mormon doctrine deviates significantly from the Bible, which teaches that Jesus is eternal and not procreated. Although Mormons teach that Jesus is eternal, what they mean is that He existed as a spirit child prior to His incarnation. Being an offspring of Elohim means He was created at some point in time. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:38:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Boomer: My bet is that the most vocal critics just don’t want the Mormons there, period. If not this, it will be something else. They are already there in the adjacent lot. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:38:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By extractr: You do realize Christ's teachings were denied as well, by the Jews, because they felt they didn't have anything to do with the commonly accepted notion of what defined Judaism? The scribes were so tied to the written word, they denied the source of it, just as is happening today in the world. Where in the Bible does it say God will never again reveal his words to mankind? Nowhere! Something he did from the beginning of mankind until Christ himself came and commanded his apostles to go forth and continue to teach and reveal his word. Once they were martyred and rejected, We saw what happened when men relied on themselves and not revelation. 30,000+ churches. We claim once again the heavens are open, and God is continuing to lead us through prophets. He has given us more understanding of his nature and presence through them, just as he instructed his people of old. Joseph smith changed the gospel from what has already been received. There is no evidence for his claims at all, but there is an abundance of evidence for the true God and gospel. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:42:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PeepEater]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By extractr: You do realize Christ's teachings were denied as well, by the Jews, because they felt they didn't have anything to do with the commonly accepted notion of what defined Judaism? The scribes were so tied to the written word, they denied the source of it, just as is happening today in the world. Where in the Bible does it say God will never again reveal his words to mankind? Nowhere! Something he did from the beginning of mankind until Christ himself came and commanded his apostles to go forth and continue to teach and reveal his word. Once they were martyred and rejected, We saw what happened when men relied on themselves and not revelation. 30,000+ churches. We claim once again the heavens are open, and God is continuing to lead us through prophets. He has given us more understanding of his nature and presence through them, just as he instructed his people of old. Congratulations you just figured out why Christianity isn't Judaism but with Jesus. My Jewish friends don't consider me a Jew that happens to believe in Jesus anymore than I consider Mormons Christians that happen to belive in Moroni. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:43:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mancat: As a member of the dirty general public, you can go and see the temple once right after it's built, before they throw out all the tainted furnishings and lock the doors and gates forever to all those without a temple recommend. So mark it on your calendar, you only get one chance lol wut, I’ve walked the temple grounds plenty of times in Mesa for friends weddings and Christmas lights. Sure can’t go in, but the grounds are pretty enough for me. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:52:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By patsue: Reformers did not “change” the gospel. They did what has happened through all church history when false teaching tries to influence. It was exposed by the scripture. What people don’t understand is the ramifications of the scriptures getting into the hands of common people. The Catholic Church had a monopoly on it before the printing press and could manipulate their power and authority. But once the scriptures were in the hands of people there was no going back. They confronted it with the final authority of Gods Word. The Catholic Church had raised its authority above that of the scriptures and were caught. Mormonism does it also. It claims the scriptures were corrupted with no proof, in fact a massive amount of hard evidence proves the opposite. But this is a distraction from the real issue. The Christ of Mormonism is incompatible with the Christ of the Bible. They are not the same in nature. The question of who Christ is has a completely different answer between orthodox Christians and Mormons. It isn’t enough to say “he is the son of God”. How Mormons define the son of God is completely different than that of scripture. Everything else is just a distraction. The Mormon church has a different Jesus. It is not a minor difference. It is the most important difference. There is nothing more important. You get Jesus wrong, you have God Himself wrong and you have the gospel wrong. I am very pessimistic that this will change any LDS minds but I want all the readers to know the issues here and they are free to ask me any questions PM if they want. I have lived on both sides of this for 5 decades. Patrick So where is your proof that the Bible is correct, and wasn't corrupted before it was compiled? How do you know those in charge did not manipulate it before it was even a book. You do realize it was by vote of men what books were included and which were rejected. Seems odd that you believe the people who compiled it were infallible before they weren't, requiring reformation. Further evidence of the influence of men was the political councils that dictated doctrine, such as the trinity. Were those men corrupted by then, or still infallible? You ask for proof it's corrupted. Where is your proof that it isn't. When the whole basis of the protestant movement is that the men who gave us the Bible were corrupted, but somehow miraculously, everything else they did in establishing sctripure and doctrine wasn't. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:53:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: extractr]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeepEater: Congratulations you just figured out why Christianity isn't Judaism but with Jesus. My Jewish friends don't consider me a Jew that happens to believe in Jesus anymore than I consider Mormons Christians that happen to belive in Moroni. You do realize Christ still considers himself to be a Jew right, even though the Jews claim he isn't one? Who's right? |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:56:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: lol wut, I’ve walked the temple grounds plenty of times in Mesa for friends weddings and Christmas lights. Sure can’t go in, but the grounds are pretty enough for me. I'm talking about seeing the inside |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 2:59:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: And yet people travel from all over the world to see Notre Dame and the church in Chandler has a drive through so people don't have to get out of their car. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: Originally Posted By Torf: That modern building has vastly more efficient HVAC, better lighting, more hygienic facilities, and can more comfortably and more safely accommodate far higher numbers of parishioners. I kind of figured you'd be all about it. Substance over style and all that. And yet people travel from all over the world to see Notre Dame and the church in Chandler has a drive through so people don't have to get out of their car. Not many people actually attend services at some ancient cathedral in Europe, whether they travel there to see it or not. This discussion reminds me of the "Your boomer car sucks and you don't even know it" thread. Get both. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 3:00:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mancat: I'm talking about seeing the inside Fair enough. I don’t let it bother me. I don’t let just anyone into my property, why should I expect the same of their sacred places of worship? |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 3:04:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mancat: I'm talking about seeing the inside There are usually a few weeks before the temple is dedicated that the public can go and see the inside and get a tour. I've been to the open-house for some of the local ones here and it's always been a good time. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 3:10:40 PM EDT
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Too many objections over trivial things. Build!
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Posted: 5/14/2024 3:11:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Torf: Our church broadcasts their services on YouTube, so I don't even have to put on my slippers. Not many people actually attend services at some ancient cathedral in Europe, whether they travel there to see it or not. This discussion reminds me of the "Your boomer car sucks and you don't even know it" thread. Get both. My brother in law was baptized at St. Peter’s, 7 blocks from his home. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 3:12:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AbleArcher: What is your preferred architectural style? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AbleArcher: Originally Posted By Pellinore: The architecture sucks. Boring and soulless. What is your preferred architectural style? Most Mormon temples are kind of modern/art deco. They’d be better off with gothic, neoclassical or even Romanesque. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 3:12:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2JokersWild: City council just needs to get a height restriction ordnance. Or ordinance. Either will get the job done. They had one and it didn’t work because first amendment protection of religion. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 3:15:04 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mikeyb76: I find them to be monolithic and a forced, bland art-deco style. It's impressive when they're on a hill, lit up at night, and you can see it for miles. The Bountiful and Draper temples in UT are very visible. Driving by them doesn't really convey a sense of welcoming or openness, though, being surrounded by a lovely iron fence. To be fair, the church itself doesn't either. |
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WY, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 3:15:05 PM EDT
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[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By extractr: So where is your proof that the Bible is correct, and wasn't corrupted before it was compiled? How do you know those in charge did not manipulate it before it was even a book. You do realize it was by vote of men what books were included and which were rejected. Seems odd that you believe the people who compiled it were infallible before they weren't, requiring reformation. Further evidence of the influence of men was the political councils that dictated doctrine, such as the trinity. Were those men corrupted by then, or still infallible? You ask for proof it's corrupted. Where is your proof that it isn't. When the whole basis of the protestant movement is that the men who gave us the Bible were corrupted, but somehow miraculously, everything else they did in establishing sctripure and doctrine wasn't. Even atheist scholars believe the Bible is historically accurate. The jews had the old testament before Jesus was on earth. The apostles wrote the new testament. We have over 50,000 manuscripts corroborating the accuracy. The Bible is the best understood collection of ancient writings. The world has yet to see ONE instance of anything corroborating Joseph Smiths claims. We do know that the book of Abraham is a fraud by Joseph Smith, however with the help of Egyptologists, including mormons. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 3:16:19 PM EDT
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[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: Why should we care that a bunch of whiny losers are upset about what someone is doing with their private property? Bc they might be immoral. Or worse, tastless heathens. Tyrants always end up with the better architecture. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 3:25:34 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ryan_Scott: Most Mormon temples are kind of modern/art deco. They’d be better off with gothic, neoclassical or even Romanesque. The Tijuana, Mexico Temple is definitely one of my favorites.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 3:26:20 PM EDT
[#47]
i'd rather look at that than the 80' cross next to the mall of jesus here. it's just tacky.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 3:30:34 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bgenlvtex: Is there an existing local ordinance that prohibits buildings over "X" feet tall? If there isn't then fuck off. There is an existing ordinance. |
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Posted: 5/14/2024 3:33:11 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: So they were mean to you because you are old and that justifies a socialist attitude towards private property? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HIMARS13A: Originally Posted By Off-the-Grid: Do conservatives bash an age group in every thread like the guy I quoted? He’s actually too stupid to know what age group belongs where, as proven in a thread yesterday. Pretty wild… So they were mean to you because you are old and that justifies a socialist attitude towards private property? 
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2024 3:33:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Go figure.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: Originally Posted By 80085: The city says it's received 350 messages from Fairview residents about the proposal. The vast majority, 87% of them, expressed opposition to the temple's design. It's received more than twice as many from non-residents, with 89% of those messages in favor of it. Go figure. So basically a ARFCOM poll blast. |
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