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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:10:04 PM EDT
What is out there that I'm not thinking of because I keep coming to the 4Runner or a Frontier.
I want a midsize+ SUV that is: 1. Comfortable reliable daily driver 2. Offroads decent in near stock config (2 spd transfer, min9in clearance, can take an ARB bumper without a suspension redo) 3. Tows 2k comfortably in the mtns for weekend trips (rated for 4k) 4. Drivetrain that isn't from 20 years ago (because then I'd buy a 2009 4Runner or a 2015 Xterra) Prefer body on frame... but not required if you can convince me it can do 2&3... |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:13:21 PM EDT
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new used 200 series land cruiser.
@PhuzzyGnu |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:13:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LittleBigHorn]
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Edited: define off roading
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:13:42 PM EDT
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Gladiator or Wrangler.
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:14:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: new used 200 series land cruiser. @PhuzzyGnu  Attached Filemyman.gif |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:16:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Gladiator or Wrangler. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:24:47 PM EDT
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Don’t miss your last chance one of the best built off roading vehicles there is. Based on experience off roading and every day, use the Toyota 4runner inits current form Is an unbeatable combination? Average life expectancy of 200,000+ miles the ability to outfit it in way you want be able to go off about any place and drive comfortably every day.
The new model 4Runner Will have a four-cylinder turbo hybrid. Highly recommend the Trd off-road premium. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:26:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Last1Left: Don’t miss your last chance one of the best built off roading vehicles there is. Based on experience off roading and every day, use the Toyota 4runner inits current form Is an unbeatable combination? Average life expectancy of 200,000+ miles the ability to outfit it in way you want be able to go off about any place and drive comfortably every day. The new model 4Runner Will have a four-cylinder turbo hybrid. Highly recommend the Trd off-road premium. Perhaps you missed “drivetrain that isn’t from 20 years ago.” |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:31:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Gordo556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Perhaps you missed “drivetrain that isn’t from 20 years ago.” perhaps you missed the mentioned "new" 4cyl turbo in the new gen. 4runner. there is nothing else that is body on frame, especially with not having a "20 year old" drive train. you need to ask yourself. do you want a full size suv platform? Toyota sequoia, Tahoe. mid size? jeep (80 + year drive train tho..), 4runner, bronco. thats it. good luck with your unicorn search. its pretty easy really. find what you want from full size/midsize. that leaves you 2-3 vehicles. now narrow it down. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:32:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TheAvatar9265ft]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LittleBigHorn: Edited: define off roading What a 4th or 5th Gen 4Runner can do with stock except good tires, which is a CA4WDCI trail difficulty of 6 or 7. I used to have a 4th Gen, which I loved (and barely selected over an Xterra). The ex took the 5th Gen leaving me with a Subaru which is now over 10 years old. The time has come for something newer. I love T4Rs but it kills me the 2024's drivetrain is pretty indistinguishable from a 2003's, especially when I look at what is inside a mid 2010s Frontier. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:34:09 PM EDT
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Bronco.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:36:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mazeman: Bronco. I got to play in a Bronco which was rad, but probably a bit smaller than wanted and not sure about its towing. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:37:59 PM EDT
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New Land Cruiser 250 / GX550
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:39:11 PM EDT
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gx460 gets a very durable 4.6L V8 and a 6spd. Those 20 year old powertrains have been around because they just flat out work. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:39:24 PM EDT
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Pathfinder?
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:40:28 PM EDT
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Minimal experience towing, zero experience offroading.
But. The 2014 Mercedes ML350 I bought used in 2021 is rated for 7800lb towing, was offered with apparently decently reviewed off-road transmission controls, and has been super low maintenance for me. Wife’s 2014 E350 has the same engine and transmission and has been trouble free as well. Bought new in 2014. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:42:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By trapster100: Pathfinder? Fwd based drive train. Also a Unibody but the 4 runner is probably the only midsize suv with body on frame. Maybe the new Land Cruiser is body on frame but I doubt it. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:43:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: new used 200 series land cruiser. @PhuzzyGnu https://forum.ih8mud.com/threads/long-travel-ahc.1287237/ |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:43:25 PM EDT
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3/4 ton Suburban
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:43:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Never_A_Wick]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gordo556: perhaps you missed the mentioned "new" 4cyl turbo in the new gen. 4runner. Perhaps you misunderstood. Was not talking about the upcoming 4Runner. there is nothing else that is body on frame, especially with not having a "20 year old" drive train. Wrong. jeep (80 + year drive train tho..), Also wrong  |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:44:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:44:53 PM EDT
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Subaru Outback. Up to 3,500# towing capacity.
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:45:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: OregonShooter]
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2017+ Nissan Armada.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:49:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wrc777: Fwd based drive train. Also a Unibody but the 4 runner is probably the only midsize suv with body on frame. Maybe the new Land Cruiser is body on frame but I doubt it. Wrangler and Bronco are the other current production midsize BOF offerings |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:53:08 PM EDT
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4runner, hands down. We accidentally drove "The Dragon" with ours a couple weeks ago pulling a 21ft camper! NO issues at all. That camper, loaded with all my wife's junk, was pushing our 5k pd towing capacity and it handled it fine.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 7:53:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TheAvatar9265ft]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: new used 200 series land cruiser. @PhuzzyGnu Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: new used 200 series land cruiser. @PhuzzyGnu Oooh... that's big but very very nice... Originally Posted By Last1Left: The new model 4Runner Will have a four-cylinder turbo hybrid. Highly recommend the Trd off-road premium. The 2025 T4R looks uper sick, but it'll be top dollar for probably minimum 1 year until delivery. Originally Posted By cancard: Subaru Outback. Up to 3,500# towing capacity. Ya-but in the real world in the mountains... |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:00:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whomper: Don't forget the LX570. Usually better deals on those. And for less than the cost of an LC200 lift kit, you can fit 35s. True. LC200 fits 33" stock.  Attached File |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:03:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PhuzzyGnu: True. LC200 fits 33" stock. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/69748/PXL_20240330_215048058_2_jpg-3215319.JPG 
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:05:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Gordo556]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Perhaps you misunderstood. Was not talking about the upcoming 4Runner. Wrong. Also wrong the new 4R was mentioned as if that was what they were talking about what vehicle would fall into this class the OP requests? bronco, 4R, jeep, Lexus GX series? sequoia? first jeep was 1940 by the way. body on frame, solid axles. idk. what constitutes a 20 year old drivetrain? if someone really wanted to be a smart ass, anything could qualify really.  |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 8:11:06 PM EDT
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Highlander or larger. RAV4 is too small.
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Posted: 5/15/2024 9:06:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Never_A_Wick]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gordo556: the new 4R was mentioned as if that was what they were talking about what vehicle would fall into this class the OP requests? bronco, 4R, jeep, Lexus GX series? sequoia? first jeep was 1940 by the way. body on frame, solid axles. idk. what constitutes a 20 year old drivetrain? if someone really wanted to be a smart ass, anything could qualify really. You’re right I misread his post. He doesn’t want a 20 year old drivetrain which would disqualify the 4runner(excluding the new one). The Wrangler/Gladiator got a new transmission and standard Dana 44s in 2018/19, not what I’d call 20 years old. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 9:56:01 PM EDT
[#31]
The OP knows the correct answer and is trying to talk himself into something else.
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Posted: 5/15/2024 10:15:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11boomboom]
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Originally Posted By TheAvatar9265ft: What is out there that I'm not thinking of because I keep coming to the 4Runner or a Frontier. I want a midsize+ SUV that is: 1. Comfortable reliable daily driver 2. Offroads decent in near stock config (2 spd transfer, min9in clearance, can take an ARB bumper without a suspension redo) 3. Tows 2k comfortably in the mtns for weekend trips (rated for 4k) 4. Drivetrain that isn't from 20 years ago (because then I'd buy a 2009 4Runner or a 2015 Xterra) Prefer body on frame... but not required if you can convince me it can do 2&3... 1. 4Runner 2. 4Runner and cousins, Jeep (4-Door)... every vehicle will need a spring upgrade with an ARB bumber. They're over 200 pounds without a winch. 3. Just about any 4x4 SUV will tow that amount 4. Rules out Japanese vehicles Sounds like you need a 4-door Jeep and just deal with its daily driver eccentricities or get a 4Runner and enjoy reliability and comfort. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 10:17:32 PM EDT
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4Runner.
New powertrain in 2025 if you really don't like the old reliable 1GR. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 10:37:38 PM EDT
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4runner
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Posted: 5/15/2024 10:40:57 PM EDT
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 10:41:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Mazeman: Bronco. lots are full of low mileage used broncs. wonder why |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 10:46:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: TNhunter]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Never_A_Wick: Perhaps you missed “drivetrain that isn’t from 20 years ago.” Does it matter if you gonna have one of the best vehicles on the road? Get the 4Runner now. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 10:47:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cancard: Subaru Outback. Up to 3,500# towing capacity. Love my Outback Wilderness, but it fails his requirements for a 2 speed transfer case, and ARB bumper. Arguably the CVT eliminates the need for a two-speed transfer case, but it's still going the be AWD and not 4WD; the wilderness does have a different gear ratio on the axles to address offroad use, so it's sort of getting there. It really depends on what he means by offroad. Bad dirt roads no problem, trying to break axles by driving with the wheels side-loaded on two different boulders, problem. I traded from a JKU and so far no issues other than better gas mileage and no longer worrying about the valve train and cams getting explodey. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 10:48:55 PM EDT
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G63
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Posted: 5/15/2024 10:50:39 PM EDT
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 10:51:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheAvatar9265ft: snip Ya-but in the real world in the mountains... Outbacks have the 2.4L Turbo in them. I live in the real mountains (the road to my house has multiple 30% grades.) Go test drive one, it really caught me off guard when I pressed the pedal (after the turbo lag, of course) between that and the CVT that doesn't pretend to be anything else it has zero issues with mountains roads. |
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Posted: 5/15/2024 11:31:21 PM EDT
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Wrangler or Gladiator.
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USA
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Posted: 5/15/2024 11:51:17 PM EDT
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I went from a Grand Cherokee to a Tundra recently so my pick is a 4Runner.
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Posted: 5/16/2024 8:22:41 AM EDT
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Get the 4Runner now before they switch to the new engine. Take care of it and it will run for a long time.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 5/16/2024 8:24:16 AM EDT
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Used GX460. Build quality and value annoy be beat.
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Posted: 5/16/2024 8:28:13 AM EDT
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wrangler 392 ftw
 Attached Filemy gf has a Tahoe and we like it... im not a GM guy at all but its pretty decent. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/16/2024 8:28:41 AM EDT
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LS swapped K5 Blazer.
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ARG
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Posted: 5/16/2024 9:47:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OregonShooter: 2017+ Nissan Armada. |
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Posted: 5/16/2024 9:57:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: dyezak]
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INEOS GRENADIER
The new Land Cruiser throwback SUV that sounds like it was built specifically for this thread.  The INEOS GRENADIER - Most complete off road SUV 
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Posted: 5/16/2024 10:04:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HLB0302: G63 I don't think OP is that kind of guy. But I am  .
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