FBI releases proof of Roswell UFO crash
If it's true, how does this report affect your religious believes, values and purpose of life?
It changes nothing. God doesn't inform us of everything.
Is this the same report that has been availible since 2004 and is being touted as "New"?
Av.
Makes ZERO changes in my thoughts.
Proof of Alien life does not change the core of the Buddha's teachings really..personal enlightenment is not dependant on god, so proof of ET/aliens changes nothing.
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Originally Posted By dablues:
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it would not change any of my beliefs.
Since the OP poses a hypothetical...
Originally Posted By Norinco:
If it's true, how does this report affect your religious believes, values and purpose of life?
... how about we answer accordingly (or not, if you prefer)
without continuing to deride the OP, the veracity of the story, etc., okay?
As for me WRT the question posed, the first reply nailed it. My Lord and Master created the universe and everything in it according to His good pleasure. If He created other life on other worlds, so be it. If He decided not to reveal that to me/us until now, so be it.
Does the clay pot being brought down from its shelf for the first time have any right to question or resent the Potter when it discovers there are other pots on other shelves?
Originally Posted By Norinco:
If it's true, how does this report affect your religious believes, values and purpose of life?
I have great faith that they are very well aware of the the great “I am that I am" and look forward to the day of meeting them.
Originally Posted By Lootie23:
It changes nothing. God doesn't inform us of everything.
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Originally Posted By Norinco:
If it's true, how does this report affect your religious believes, values and purpose of life?
It doesn't.
If man was made in god's image, who's image were aliens made in?
It is my personal belief that there is something far more insidious than Aliens who would have us believe in a hope..any hope..inside or outside ourselves.. other than God our Creator. Reincarnation, Alien life, Universal Energy… all these are far more enjoyable to dwell on than “every knee shall bow and every tongue confesses that Jesus Christ is Lord.”
We love to believe various entertaining deceptions because it helps in our attempt to ignore our convictions.
It is my belief that God chose mankind alone to create in his image...breathe into and give a living and eternal soul.
That the vastness but emptiness of space only highlights the fact that what is here… is our Creators favorite Creation.
Are there lights in the sky not made by men...I have no problem with that at all.
Are they little men in sliver suits who will bring world peace without Gods judgment.....I'm sure they would hope that we believe so.
And all this is coming from a huge X-Files fan.

It wasn't proof of a crash, it was a piece of paper.
Does the clay pot being brought down from its shelf for the first time have any right to question or resent the Potter when it discovers there are other pots on other shelves?
Well said brother Hardshell.....!
Originally Posted By HardShell:
Since the OP poses a hypothetical...
Originally Posted By Norinco:
If it's true, how does this report affect your religious believes, values and purpose of life?
... how about we answer accordingly (or not, if you prefer)
without continuing to deride the OP, the veracity of the story, etc., okay?
As for me WRT the question posed, the first reply nailed it. My Lord and Master created the universe and everything in it according to His good pleasure. If He created other life on other worlds, so be it. If He decided not to reveal that to me/us until now, so be it.
Does the clay pot being brought down from its shelf for the first time have any right to question or resent the Potter when it discovers there are other pots on other shelves?
It does when you believe that there is no shelf, there is only you and the potter.
Originally Posted By Norinco:
If it's true, how does this report affect your religious believes, values and purpose of life?
Why would someone think that matters?
Won't change my beliefs at all.
I don't trust anything that comes from the government. That said, this changes nothing for me.
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Originally Posted By Norinco:
If it's true, how does this report affect your religious believes, values and purpose of life?
How does it affect your views, Norinco?
There are no aliens, only Satan's deception at play, doing what it was designed to do: cause people to doubt their faith, doubt God, and continually focus on anything but Him.
Originally Posted By ankratz:
If man was made in god's image, who's image were aliens made in?
genesis 3.22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us,
isn't us plural ?
Originally Posted By BattletweeteR:
Originally Posted By ankratz:
If man was made in god's image, who's image were aliens made in?
genesis 3.22: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us,
isn't us plural ?
Yes, as in the Three Aspects of the Trinity The Father, Son and the Holy Spirit.
But no as in more than one Gods total.
The Bible makes it very clear that God is Three in One but One in nature.
I Am That I Am...or ...we are who we are?
mis-direction....
Presence of alien life would not affect my faith any. From a different point of view though, I have some insight. My wife and I worked on a test program together. She was briefed to Area 51, I was not, so I can talk about some things I "absorbed" when dealing with her and a number of others. I knew very active Protestants, Mormons and Jehova's witnesses that spent a significant amount of time out there. No-body ever questionaed their faith. Due to the fact that alien life COULD put another explanation for how human life came to be on our planet, I would expect SOMEONE from our group to have questions, if alien life/death was present. I question the FBI report.
The proof?
The report stated that the object resembled a high-altitude weather radar balloon that was being transported to Wright Field Base. The report states “No further investigation being conducted.”
I don't know what was really recovered... but from this report? Well.... while weather balloons were not described in the Old Testament, it doesn't exactly shake my belief in the Creator if that's what your asking.
I believe that God came to the earth as flesh, walked on water, cured the ill, and was killed and rose again.... I have faith or beliefs in things that few if anyone alive today has seen anything similar. Compared to that, flying dinner plates with little green men seems pretty weak?


Originally Posted By Norinco:
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Originally Posted By dablues:
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Oh, of course. USA Today.
Totally reliable news source. Not a Liberal view point at all!
Will say ANYTHING to try and disprove / discredit GOD!
God made Angels ,and man. Who are we to say he didn't create anyone else.
I study my bible and I KNOW god is real ,I don't see why God would are wouldn't create another life form. I'm unchanged.
I've not bound God and His creations to earth.
Originally Posted By MateFrio:
I've not bound God and His creations to earth.
Well, the Bible states that with God, that the potentiality of all things to manifest themselves as present realities for all or just some are possible, that is, if spiritual laws set forth by God before the,''beginning,'' come into play for a specific reason by God's own will for them to do so.
And as the universe goes too, that is God's creation, there are certainly many things that mankind still does not know about it with very much detail.
However as that may be though, what would be the purpose of other orginized types of life forms, extra-terrestrials if you will, from the cosmos visiting our own earth and mostly operating around and on our planet in a covert manner?
These who purportedly carry out clandestine operations of some sort periodically around planet earth?
To glorify God?
The Bible does speak of such a one that It designates as, ''the prince of the power of the air," which is Satan, and also his demonic host who at this time have that capability and authority, by man, in order to operate in the heavens, or the atmospere, around the world, as they have been doing for quite some time now as the Bible says that they have.
Now,do these fallen creatures have any simularity to the images and so-called bonified photographs, folklore,myths, and detailed images that are shown about them now, mostly through our own media that are available to us by the click of a remote control for entertainment purposes in conjunction as to what demonic entities possibly look like now as opposed to what extra-terrestrial creatures might look like?
I remember one time in my earlier christian walk when i did a job for a man that had a more or less notorious reputation as a fairly evil person.
His own mother, in her seventies at the time, who was an entrepreneur of sorts, had several businesses around this particular area also being the mayor of the little township that i lived in,and also her son was the town marshal as well as holding several other civic titles around those parts.
His mother owned a fleet of logging trucks and hired them out to many unsuspecting haulers, most of them new to the area, and would through deceptive means methodically flim-flam these men out of thousands of dollars in pay that she would owe them.
Her and her son were also instumental in getting the county in which they seemed to have great influence in to become,''wet,'' as it had never been that way before and then opened up several bars and package stores which also cashed payroll checks and fronted payday loans,mostly on the county lines with adjoining dry counties in the area,.
These eventually causing many problems all around with a sharp rise in violent crimes, prostitution, illegal gambling,and drugs much of these happening within close proximity of these so called legal establishments
I'm sure you get the picture here.
As it ended up though, this woman several years latter was murdered in her own home, violently beaten to death as it appeared that her assailant,or assailants, most likley wanted her to suffer before she finally died.
I heard several years latter also, because i was not living in this particular area anymore myself ,that her son, this man who i had breifly worked for at one time had commited suicide with his own gun and was dead also.
Unfortunate for both indeed.
But back at the time that i was doing some remodling in this man's home, one day i was sanding off some rust build-up that had acummulated on some metal support posts with a grinder. I had been there for about three hours as i started work around seven and it was then around ten in the morning.
As i was grinding these metal posts though, periodically out of the corner of my eye several feet away directly where the sparks from the ,''rooster tail,''was fanning off in an arc, i kept seeing a darkish brown object near one of this man's vehicles which was covered by a cloth tarp under this large carport where i was working.
But every time that i stopped the grinder to try and get a better look because after noticing this object several times as being there,and then not being there, i started to believe that what i was seeing was some sort of wild or stray animal because i was out in the country, but having been operating a power tool that made quite a bit of noise, smoke, and throwing a trail of sparks, this logic didn't make much sense to me.
As i continued to work though, i begain to look over in this direction that i had seen this object before but now not turning off the grinder to look directly at the thing.
And there was someting there all right, but not as a person would see something in a physical way but it was however there all the same.
To me, this creature now more visible to me as i pretended not to notice it was as i said before was of a darkish brown color, about three feet high, and had the facial and bodily charictaristics of,more or less, what someone might think an ugly monkey might look like.
Now i know that some of you might think that this account that i am giving now is just a ghost story or just plain telling a lie,but this event was very real to me as being a christian,this encounter with a super-natural being really disturbed me as to where i almost didn't finish the job that i had agreed to do for this man as i had promised.
Several days after this occurrance too in a time of meditation after a Bible study with some christian friends at their home and after prayer but not about my encounter, as we all where about to leave this house it is as if i saw within my own spirit, through spritual eyes and not with the physical ones that i had seen this being with, the thing now with much more detail as i had not seen it that day.
This being, or what i now believe to have been a demonic visitation was one as i saw it in the spiritual realm as one who was intentionally stationed close to me in order to keep an eye, so to speak , on me, as i worked around this man's home.
A guard of sorts i suppose.
Now, is it possible that this so-called encounter that i say that i had with a demon in my close proximity at this man's home been imagined by me as the result of something like the heat or from breathing in too much metalic and paint dust?
Well i suppose that could be the cause of all of this but i'll tell you that the fear that welled up inside of me as i finally got a decent look at it and the hair standing up on the back of my neck at the time says no.
So are all demons, that is if i really saw a real one and they are real,are short and fairly grotesque looking as a rule?
Well i don't know, but are all people short and fairly grotesque looking as a rule?
However which way that it goes about that though, is that could one of these appear to a person to be of the extra-terrrestreal persuasion under certain circumstances?
Well if you answer yes then you are correct .
Why?
Because they are.
Thanks,
SAE
Originally Posted By GATITO:
There are no aliens, only Satan's deception at play, doing what it was designed to do: cause people to doubt their faith, doubt God, and continually focus on anything but Him.
That's a pretty big universe out there to say that nothing else is alive in it.
TXL
Changes nothing, still don't believe in a deity and have always figured that the Universe is too big for humanity to realistically be the only form of intelligent life.
Demons.
I have no issue with it, and neither does the Holy See
I missed this when I started new thread. my best friends brother in law is a fan of the aching aliens thing. We put out our point of view but I can't make someone believe if they don't want to. If my vote counts at all I think if aliens are real at all its demons corrupting the weak and pulling people it with the help of main stream media
Not to much longer in time for this to happen,
Revelation 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together..........
Seems when God stated the stars were for signs and seasons he meant it.
For all of you saying "Demons", doesn't it bother you that an uneducated, superstitious simpleton from 300 years ago would give the exact same answer? Do you believe in witches too?
Originally Posted By wyager:
For all of you saying "Demons", doesn't it bother you that an uneducated, superstitious simpleton from 300 years ago would give the exact same answer? Do you believe in witches too?
I don’t speak for everyone but I don’t think that anyone is saying that every light in the sky is demonic in nature. There are such things as ball lighting, military aircraft, weather balloons and kids with camcorders and aluminum pie plates.
However, there are people who place their hope in little green men because they don’t like the message of Jesus Christ….In that case I don’t think demonic forces would even be required to cause them to see things….random clouds would suffice or even those crude videos of aluminum pie plates
Thta said, Deception and lies are the tools of Satan. You want to eat forbidden fruit…he will convince you it’s ok…… You want to see little green men who offer cheap and easy hope…he will convince you it’s ok. In today’s culture it’s ok to believe in just about any man made religious and supernatural theory out there…but don’t dare believe in the absolute claims of Jesus Christ.
Little green men and silver crafts are in….. Jesus and the Cross are out.
Jesus probes the Heart…..and that’s far less acceptable to sinful men than Aliens who probe the anus.
Its not a coincidence…even an honest simpleton can figure out why…..we will believe anything that lets us keep our sinful hearts and rebellion intact.
Originally Posted By Makarov92:
I have no issue with it, and neither does the Holy See
The Theology in that link is exactly why The Pope, Vatican and Jesuit Priests don’t speak for all Christians.
Originally Posted By T1NMAN:
Originally Posted By wyager:
For all of you saying "Demons", doesn't it bother you that an uneducated, superstitious simpleton from 300 years ago would give the exact same answer? Do you believe in witches too?
I don’t speak for everyone but I don’t think that anyone is saying that every light in the sky is demonic in nature. There are such things as ball lighting, military aircraft, weather balloons and kids with camcorders and aluminum pie plates.
However, there are people who place their hope in little green men because they don’t like the message of Jesus Christ….In that case I don’t think demonic forces would even be required to cause them to see things….random clouds would suffice or even those crude videos of aluminum pie plates
Thta said, Deception and lies are the tools of Satan. You want to eat forbidden fruit…he will convince you it’s ok…… You want to see little green men who offer cheap and easy hope…he will convince you it’s ok. In today’s culture it’s ok to believe in just about any man made religious and supernatural theory out there…but don’t dare believe in the absolute claims of Jesus Christ.
Little green men and silver crafts are in….. Jesus and the Cross are out.
Jesus probes the Heart…..and that’s far less acceptable to sinful men than Aliens who probe the anus.
Its not a coincidence…even an honest simpleton can figure out why…..we will believe anything that lets us keep our sinful hearts and rebellion intact.
Are you being sarcastic? I suppose this is poe's law at work. You see, the fact that aliens offer "cheap and easy hope" is exactly applicable to religion. And yes, it is OK to believe in any man made religion... like christianity. Who says don't believe the claims of Jesus? Lots of americans believe the claims of jesus. As for "we will believe anything that lets us keep our sinful hearts and rebellion intact", yes, we will. Christianity offers a way for us to feel like we didn't do anything wrong, because Jesus forgives us for whatever we've done.
Sorry if you're being sarcastic and I'm being thick (you could write for The Onion).
Sorry about that... the lack of clarity is on my end.
There was a heavy dose of sarcasm involved.
I believe that Jesus Christ is the polar opposite of every single man made religion in both nature and message.
I struggle to understand “Christians” that read the message of Jesus than feel like its necessary to mix in a little Alien silliness or other such nonsense because culture demands it.
There is nothing wrong with applying the Scripture to Culture but I don’t believe in applying the culture to Scriptures.
The folks that reject the Bible frustrate me far less than the folks that read the Bible and then add the future hope of green men to the Cross of Jesus.
Please don’t take my smart mouth for the truth….check out the Gospel of John and see just why there is no need for little green men to come and save us.
Read the book that suggested it was a Soviet operation,
All we know for sure is:
Something happened that night,
The government sure as heck didn't want what happened to get out.
Insert why here.
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Art Bell: Let's say the government chose me. They were going to use me as an outlet to release this information. Let's just say they did that and they took me to a briefing. Then what John?
John Lear: They whisk you to Washington, DC, you get limo-ed to this building, beautiful building, you go up into this room. They say, 'Art, you're the guy and if you give us the go ahead, we are gonna release everything we know to the public. If you decide to go ahead, all major networks will be provided with information on all aspects of the cover up and no type of information will be withheld. Because of the deal for immunity for all participants of the cover up provides that nothing, no artifacts, no piece of information be withheld.'
So here's what happened, Art. We'll use some videos and stills. Our first UFO recoveries were in the late '30s. We made a couple in the beginning of the '40s and then came Roswell, which the public found out about. We got 2 live aliens from Roswell. One died shortly there after and one lived till 1956. And we found out so far there are 18 different alien species that we know about monitoring Earth. Some are good and some are hostile, most are indifferent. We found out that we are the experimental product, if you will, of an alien race who we never met and we don't know who they are. All we know is that the Greys are cybernetic organisms, glorified robots if you will, who work here at the behest of their employers monitoring us through abductions. We were never able to find out what the experiment is all about except that we have been externally corrected about 65 times. And they, the aliens, refer to us as "Containers." There's been speculation that the souls our bodies contain is the reason for the experiments. But nothing's been proven or determined.
Since 1938 we've lost over 200 aircraft due to UFO hostilities and thousands of soldiers in all kinds of different actions with aliens. Since that time several hundred thousand civilians have disappeared with no trace. Several thousand of those were eliminated by us because of their chance encounters with the aliens which we could ill afford to have publicized.
A slightly more frightening phenomena known as "human mutilations" have occurred on a regular basis and are similar to "cattle mutilations". In that the human or humans are taken from the street, so to speak, and returned to the same area about 45 minutes to an hour later with their rectums cored out, their genitals removed, eyes removed from their sockets, and completely drained of blood. In all cases it appeared that the mutilation procedures occurred while the persons were still alive and conscious. One of our scientists speculates that apparently the human specimens had to be alive for the samples to be worth anything. Abductions occur on a daily basis throughout the United States to at least 10% of the population.
When we were first made aware this we protested to the little grey being we had held in captivity at the YY-2 facility in Los Alamos, but a deal was struck that in exchange for advanced technology from the aliens we would allow them to abduct a very small number of persons and we would periodically be given a list of those persons abducted. We got something less than the technology we bargained for and found the abductions exceeded by a million fold than what we had naively agreed to.
In 1954, President Eisenhower met with a representative of another alien species at Muroc Test Center, which is now called Edwards Airforce Base. This alien suggested that they could help us get rid of the Greys but Eisenhower turned down their offer because they offered no technology.
At this point it became apparent to all involved that there was no such thing as a God, at least how the public perceives God. Certainly some form of computer recorder stores information and an occasional miracle is displayed by the aliens to influence a religious event. This so unnerved Eisenhower that he had "In God We Trust" put on paper money and coins and put in the Pledge of Allegiance to reaffirm the public belief in God. Shortly after this it was determined in meetings between the US and the Russians that the situation was serious enough that a cold war should be manufactured as a ruse to divert attention of the public away from UFOs towards some other scary threat like the H-bomb. It was also decided to keep the ruse secret from any elected or appointed officials within both the US and Russian governments as it took so long to vet these officials and the ruse was easier to manage if the top people didn't know about it.
In the late 1950's NASA was formed to compartmentalize, containerize, and sanitize information from all space platforms and vehicles. We sold NASA to the public claiming that all information would belong to them but they got very little and even that was highly sanitized.
Our first efforts were to keep the public from learning about Venus. A very similar planet to Earth and it's population is very similar to us just technologically advanced. We have learned a lot from them starting with the Russian Venera 1 and US Mariner 2, we made Venus look like a lead melting, volcanic surface, spewing sulfuric acid into a pressurized atmosphere 90 times that of Earth. And as often the case we over did it and we wondered why nobody asked how a parachute survived a descent into 800-degree air. We set up operations in Pine Gap, Australia to preclude any prying eyes figuring out what we were up to. We regularly eliminated through extreme prejudice anybody who was part of the operation and made the least little tiny threat about disclosure or dissatisfaction with the operation. Any space mission that included Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Mariner, Voyager, Clementine, and all the rest. All data initially came transmitted to Pine Gap then it was relayed to JPL or wherever after sanitizing. We had a little trouble with amateur radio operators but we figured out how they could intercept these signals but we managed to deal with that.
When the Russian threat began to fade we introduced Vietnam which kept the public occupied for over ten years. The cover up and personnel to run the operation began to get bigger and bigger and required more and more money. We were forced to inflate the defense budget, which soon not enough. Then we got into the drug business which was still not enough. We were the ones that looted the savings and loan industry and Wall Street to boot. It is so out of control now most people want immunity and want out. But there is so much secrecy and so many double and triple blinds in place that it's unlikely that this thing can ever be dismantled. And even if you give us the go ahead to spill the beans to the public it's unlikely they will get anything more than "yes, we recovered a flying saucer and yes, there was an occupant" but that's all we're gonna tell ya.
So go ahead and roll the tape for Mr. Bell. What you see here are what human mutilations look like. That one was a male about 27 years old. That one is film of dead aliens being pulled from the wreckage of a craft that crashed in Olancha, California in the '50s. That craft you see over there was over 250ft. in diameter and had to be buried on the spot. That site is in Utah near Dugway Proving Grounds. The object you're looking at now is the as the Kecksburg Acorn which was brought to Wright Patt in the middle '60s. There's Frank Drake trying to force information out of a being tied down to a stretcher. He was supposedly from Tao Ceti.
These pictures you're looking at now are structures on the Moon. That's the tower in Sinus Medii and it's over seven miles tall. And that thing over there is what we call the Colossus of Oguram(sp) in Mare Crisium. We don't know what it does but the machine itself is bigger than Brooklyn, New York. Now those are videos of the domes covering the craters. As you can see, some are in a very advanced state of decay.
These are 5 second slides of the 18 different alien species we are looking at. That one there is the most gruesome looking. The guards at one facility are carefully indoctrinated over several months being shown pictures similar to but not exactly like the alien. Only when he'd been acclimatized, so to speak, of the horrible looking beings are they allowed to stand in security positions. Before these acclimatizations were done, we had two guards die of a heart attack as the aliens came down the hallway unexpectedly.
And this last clip is of the Kennedy assassination. You've heard of the second gunman theory? Well, this is the second camera that recorded exactly what happened and we had 4 gunmen. And the bottom line was that Kennedy had to go. He insisted on releasing what little alien information we had told him about and he was trying to withdraw troops from Vietnam which we were using as a diversion for the public. After Kennedy we never told any President anything. Nixon knew because he was briefed as VP in 1952. That's how we knew where to take Jackie Gleason to Homestead Air Force Base to see the alien bodies we had in storage there.
And that's about it. What say you Art Bell? Do we brief the public? Yay or nay?"
B.S.
The truth is out there....way way out there
There is a coming judgement.....from the Aliens.