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9/12/2011 6:11:31 PM
I'll give you guys the short of the long.
I was working a the university on a research project over the summer and I met a girl who perked my interest. She's smart, hardworking, on my mental level, and we have had some pretty deep conversations on religion from an academic perspective. We have been on a couple of dates ~5. She is a moderate liberal I would classify my self a Conservative Christian gun owner. We both are taking the same class which is pretty hard. We working on one of the assignment together for ~ 4 hours. When we finished up and were walking back to the dorms the topic of abortion came up (I'm in a logic course where we are discussing its morality) turns out in high school she volunteered at an abortion clinic
This blew my mind! Essentially she said she would never get one but had a hard time imposing her religious beliefs on other non believers. I'm at a loss as to what to do. Part of me wants to say it doesn't matter the other part wants to run for the hills, but I think I just need to say I'm more interested in being friends than going any further.
I was working a the university on a research project over the summer and I met a girl who perked my interest. She's smart, hardworking, on my mental level, and we have had some pretty deep conversations on religion from an academic perspective. We have been on a couple of dates ~5. She is a moderate liberal I would classify my self a Conservative Christian gun owner. We both are taking the same class which is pretty hard. We working on one of the assignment together for ~ 4 hours. When we finished up and were walking back to the dorms the topic of abortion came up (I'm in a logic course where we are discussing its morality) turns out in high school she volunteered at an abortion clinic
This blew my mind! Essentially she said she would never get one but had a hard time imposing her religious beliefs on other non believers. I'm at a loss as to what to do. Part of me wants to say it doesn't matter the other part wants to run for the hills, but I think I just need to say I'm more interested in being friends than going any further.9/12/2011 6:39:04 PM
If your point of view is the same as mine, and the abortions taking place there did not threaten the mother with death, then this girl is an accomplice to murder, regardless of what part she took in it. Many people have stood by and watched murderous acts take place but didn't speak out because they didn't want to impose their beliefs on someone else. Many have participated in them as well. How much do you value your moral standards? Is it worth the price of intimacy with this woman?
Only you can answer that, but I can tell you that you are leaning towards disengaging from her, by coming here and asking, and by phrasing it the way you did.
If it were me. No. I would find someone that doesn't condone it under any circumstances.
Only you can answer that, but I can tell you that you are leaning towards disengaging from her, by coming here and asking, and by phrasing it the way you did.
If it were me. No. I would find someone that doesn't condone it under any circumstances.
9/12/2011 7:14:10 PM
I think the answer lies in whether or not she now regrets working there.
9/12/2011 7:20:14 PM
Originally Posted By WindKnot1-1:
I think the answer lies in whether or not she now regrets working there.
I think the answer lies in whether or not she now regrets working there.
This
9/12/2011 7:25:26 PM
Originally Posted By N1150x:
I'll give you guys the short of the long.
I was working a the university on a research project over the summer and I met a girl who perked my interest. She's smart, hardworking, on my mental level, and we have had some pretty deep conversations on religion from an academic perspective. We have been on a couple of dates ~5. She is a moderate liberal I would classify my self a Conservative Christian gun owner. We both are taking the same class which is pretty hard. We working on one of the assignment together for ~ 4 hours. When we finished up and were walking back to the dorms the topic of abortion came up (I'm in a logic course where we are discussing its morality) turns out in high school she volunteered at an abortion clinic This blew my mind! Essentially she said she would never get one but had a hard time imposing her religious beliefs on other non believers. I'm at a loss as to what to do. Part of me wants to say it doesn't matter the other part wants to run for the hills, but I think I just need to say I'm more interested in being friends than going any further.
I'll give you guys the short of the long.
I was working a the university on a research project over the summer and I met a girl who perked my interest. She's smart, hardworking, on my mental level, and we have had some pretty deep conversations on religion from an academic perspective. We have been on a couple of dates ~5. She is a moderate liberal I would classify my self a Conservative Christian gun owner. We both are taking the same class which is pretty hard. We working on one of the assignment together for ~ 4 hours. When we finished up and were walking back to the dorms the topic of abortion came up (I'm in a logic course where we are discussing its morality) turns out in high school she volunteered at an abortion clinic
This blew my mind! Essentially she said she would never get one but had a hard time imposing her religious beliefs on other non believers. I'm at a loss as to what to do. Part of me wants to say it doesn't matter the other part wants to run for the hills, but I think I just need to say I'm more interested in being friends than going any further.Personally? I'd walk.
9/12/2011 7:30:05 PM
In the original Latin
eiecio eiectum
eiecio eiectum
9/13/2011 12:38:08 AM
Dude, find out what the girl thinks about it now. Does she regret it or not?
9/13/2011 12:42:43 AM
Originally Posted By WindKnot1-1:
I think the answer lies in whether or not she now regrets working there.
I think the answer lies in whether or not she now regrets working there.
THIS *AND* Remember, the Lord forgives us, if she's repentant, having felt convicted, the Lord has forgiven her, surely his opinion is higher than ours, you should follow suit.
9/15/2011 1:04:05 PM
Not wanting to impose one's views about a certain behavior on someone else is one thing, making a conscious decision to actively assist others in participating is another. That would be a deal breaker for me.
9/15/2011 1:26:19 PM
If that clinic was in the USA she didn't break any laws... so go with your heart, stop judging and give love a chance....
9/15/2011 8:11:57 PM
So, she help provide humans of no blemish as sacrifice to Satan?
How many God fearing couples (married and never lived/slept together previously) perform infantcide?
How many God fearing couples (married and never lived/slept together previously) perform infantcide?
9/15/2011 8:22:34 PM
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion hath light with darkness?"
2 Cor. 6:14
The abortion thing is just a small part of the issue. She might not want to impose her beliefs on others, but that doesn't make a good argument for why she would be voluntarily complicate in acts violating those beliefs. Seems like a bit of a mixed message, hypocritical at best.
2 Cor. 6:14
The abortion thing is just a small part of the issue. She might not want to impose her beliefs on others, but that doesn't make a good argument for why she would be voluntarily complicate in acts violating those beliefs. Seems like a bit of a mixed message, hypocritical at best.
9/15/2011 10:12:39 PM
I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. Our culture is telling us that there is nothing wrong with abortion, and that in fact sometimes it the "best thing". Many, many people have been duped by this line of thinking. She may have thought she was "helping" women who had no where else to turn.
I would want to know what she did there - how much did she see? Was she in the room when the procedures were bring done? Did she see the carnage or was she just answering the phone? Depending on her level of involvement as a "volunteer" she may not have been exposed to the reality. It is very easy for people to think of it as a "medical procedure which ends a pregnancy" rather than the brutal ending of an innocent human life.
Has she seen images of aborted babies like the one at Priests for Life? Does she know about the increased risk of breast cancer, mental illness, drug abuse, etc after abortion? Does she know about the work of crisis pregnancy centers and what services are available to women in unplanned pregnancies (parenting classes, prenatal care, adoption referrals, etc)?
As far as "not imposing" your beliefs on another person.....Here is a pretty good rebuttal of that nonsense:
Having said all that, if she has seen, or is shown all of these facts and still stands by her statement, I would heed the advice of my wise brother in Christ, TWIRE.
I would want to know what she did there - how much did she see? Was she in the room when the procedures were bring done? Did she see the carnage or was she just answering the phone? Depending on her level of involvement as a "volunteer" she may not have been exposed to the reality. It is very easy for people to think of it as a "medical procedure which ends a pregnancy" rather than the brutal ending of an innocent human life.
Has she seen images of aborted babies like the one at Priests for Life? Does she know about the increased risk of breast cancer, mental illness, drug abuse, etc after abortion? Does she know about the work of crisis pregnancy centers and what services are available to women in unplanned pregnancies (parenting classes, prenatal care, adoption referrals, etc)?
As far as "not imposing" your beliefs on another person.....Here is a pretty good rebuttal of that nonsense:
What right has any religious body to impose its morality upon a woman?
If this were a sectarian religious belief, there would be justice to such a complaint. In fact, this is not a religious question except in the broad sense of equal rights, dignity, and justice for all.
If any religious philosophy has been imposed upon a nation, it is Secular Humanism. The U.S. Supreme Court has defined Humanism as a religion. The officer corps of the pro-abortion movement is almost entirely made up of secular humanists who have imposed their beliefs upon our nation.
I have the right to swing my fist, but that right stops at your nose. A woman has certain (not total) rights to her own body, but not over another living human’s body just because he or she still happens to live inside her.
The Ten Commandments forbad murder and stealing. So do the laws of every civilized nation. Do those laws impose religious morality? Hardly!
This is a civil rights issue. It is a question of whether an entire class of living humans shall be deprived of their basic right to life on the basis of age and place of residence.
Perhaps the question should be turned around :
What Right Does a Mother and Her Abortionist
Have to Impose Their Morality Upon
Her Unborn Child . . . Fatally ?
WHY CAN'T WE LOVE THEM BOTH
If this were a sectarian religious belief, there would be justice to such a complaint. In fact, this is not a religious question except in the broad sense of equal rights, dignity, and justice for all.
If any religious philosophy has been imposed upon a nation, it is Secular Humanism. The U.S. Supreme Court has defined Humanism as a religion. The officer corps of the pro-abortion movement is almost entirely made up of secular humanists who have imposed their beliefs upon our nation.
I have the right to swing my fist, but that right stops at your nose. A woman has certain (not total) rights to her own body, but not over another living human’s body just because he or she still happens to live inside her.
The Ten Commandments forbad murder and stealing. So do the laws of every civilized nation. Do those laws impose religious morality? Hardly!
This is a civil rights issue. It is a question of whether an entire class of living humans shall be deprived of their basic right to life on the basis of age and place of residence.
Perhaps the question should be turned around :
What Right Does a Mother and Her Abortionist
Have to Impose Their Morality Upon
Her Unborn Child . . . Fatally ?
WHY CAN'T WE LOVE THEM BOTH
Having said all that, if she has seen, or is shown all of these facts and still stands by her statement, I would heed the advice of my wise brother in Christ, TWIRE.
9/16/2011 9:29:04 PM
Originally Posted By Cattitude:
I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. Our culture is telling us that there is nothing wrong with abortion, and that in fact sometimes it the "best thing". Many, many people have been duped by this line of thinking. She may have thought she was "helping" women who had no where else to turn.
I would want to know what she did there - how much did she see? Was she in the room when the procedures were bring done? Did she see the carnage or was she just answering the phone? Depending on her level of involvement as a "volunteer" she may not have been exposed to the reality. It is very easy for people to think of it as a "medical procedure which ends a pregnancy" rather than the brutal ending of an innocent human life.
Has she seen images of aborted babies like the one at Priests for Life? Does she know about the increased risk of breast cancer, mental illness, drug abuse, etc after abortion? Does she know about the work of crisis pregnancy centers and what services are available to women in unplanned pregnancies (parenting classes, prenatal care, adoption referrals, etc)?
As far as "not imposing" your beliefs on another person.....Here is a pretty good rebuttal of that nonsense:
Having said all that, if she has seen, or is shown all of these facts and still stands by her statement, I would heed the advice of my wise brother in Christ, TWIRE.
I am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt. Our culture is telling us that there is nothing wrong with abortion, and that in fact sometimes it the "best thing". Many, many people have been duped by this line of thinking. She may have thought she was "helping" women who had no where else to turn.
I would want to know what she did there - how much did she see? Was she in the room when the procedures were bring done? Did she see the carnage or was she just answering the phone? Depending on her level of involvement as a "volunteer" she may not have been exposed to the reality. It is very easy for people to think of it as a "medical procedure which ends a pregnancy" rather than the brutal ending of an innocent human life.
Has she seen images of aborted babies like the one at Priests for Life? Does she know about the increased risk of breast cancer, mental illness, drug abuse, etc after abortion? Does she know about the work of crisis pregnancy centers and what services are available to women in unplanned pregnancies (parenting classes, prenatal care, adoption referrals, etc)?
As far as "not imposing" your beliefs on another person.....Here is a pretty good rebuttal of that nonsense:
What right has any religious body to impose its morality upon a woman?
If this were a sectarian religious belief, there would be justice to such a complaint. In fact, this is not a religious question except in the broad sense of equal rights, dignity, and justice for all.
If any religious philosophy has been imposed upon a nation, it is Secular Humanism. The U.S. Supreme Court has defined Humanism as a religion. The officer corps of the pro-abortion movement is almost entirely made up of secular humanists who have imposed their beliefs upon our nation.
I have the right to swing my fist, but that right stops at your nose. A woman has certain (not total) rights to her own body, but not over another living human’s body just because he or she still happens to live inside her.
The Ten Commandments forbad murder and stealing. So do the laws of every civilized nation. Do those laws impose religious morality? Hardly!
This is a civil rights issue. It is a question of whether an entire class of living humans shall be deprived of their basic right to life on the basis of age and place of residence.
Perhaps the question should be turned around :
What Right Does a Mother and Her Abortionist
Have to Impose Their Morality Upon
Her Unborn Child . . . Fatally ?
WHY CAN'T WE LOVE THEM BOTH
If this were a sectarian religious belief, there would be justice to such a complaint. In fact, this is not a religious question except in the broad sense of equal rights, dignity, and justice for all.
If any religious philosophy has been imposed upon a nation, it is Secular Humanism. The U.S. Supreme Court has defined Humanism as a religion. The officer corps of the pro-abortion movement is almost entirely made up of secular humanists who have imposed their beliefs upon our nation.
I have the right to swing my fist, but that right stops at your nose. A woman has certain (not total) rights to her own body, but not over another living human’s body just because he or she still happens to live inside her.
The Ten Commandments forbad murder and stealing. So do the laws of every civilized nation. Do those laws impose religious morality? Hardly!
This is a civil rights issue. It is a question of whether an entire class of living humans shall be deprived of their basic right to life on the basis of age and place of residence.
Perhaps the question should be turned around :
What Right Does a Mother and Her Abortionist
Have to Impose Their Morality Upon
Her Unborn Child . . . Fatally ?
WHY CAN'T WE LOVE THEM BOTH
Having said all that, if she has seen, or is shown all of these facts and still stands by her statement, I would heed the advice of my wise brother in Christ, TWIRE.
its my understanding that she was in the room explaining what was happening to the mother as it was happening.I get the feeling that she is willing to make some changes spiritually/religiously, but doing that while dating is IMHO foolish. I am just going to tell her I'm not willing to go any farther in the relationship as far a dating. She will be a good friend but a friend she will stay.
9/17/2011 12:32:56 AM
I think you have made a good decision. Pray for this very misguided girl that she will properly form her conscience to see abortion for the the horrible injustice that it is.
9/29/2011 9:42:51 AM
Good decision at this point.
9/29/2011 10:17:12 AM
I don't know how far you want to go with this girl, but I am going to predict disaster coming your way.
Abortion issue is pretty important to me. I absolutely hate when liberals talk junk about conservatives
supporting death penalty but is anti abortion. This is what you are going to get.
Hopefully, while she was at abortion clinic, she saw what a hellish thing to cut the bodies of
unborn human babies.
Abortion issue is pretty important to me. I absolutely hate when liberals talk junk about conservatives
supporting death penalty but is anti abortion. This is what you are going to get.
Hopefully, while she was at abortion clinic, she saw what a hellish thing to cut the bodies of
unborn human babies.
9/29/2011 10:34:16 AM
Originally Posted By sgthalvo:
This
Originally Posted By WindKnot1-1:
I think the answer lies in whether or not she now regrets working there.
I think the answer lies in whether or not she now regrets working there.
This
+1. People do stupid shit. If she feels badly about it, then I'd say go for it.
There's a big difference between not imposing on someone's views and aiding them in something you disagree with.
9/29/2011 3:47:35 PM
UPDATE
I talked with her about two weeks ago and in a nice way said "I think you have some issues you need to work through and because of this I would like to hold the relationship at friendship." She agreed and its been fine so far. Thanks everybody
I talked with her about two weeks ago and in a nice way said "I think you have some issues you need to work through and because of this I would like to hold the relationship at friendship." She agreed and its been fine so far. Thanks everybody
9/29/2011 4:00:12 PM
Good move.
That "equally yoked" verse is sound advice.
That "equally yoked" verse is sound advice.
9/29/2011 4:00:55 PM
*Agnostic walks into thread* 
This woman doesn't want to force religious beliefs on others? Sounds like a keeper to me. You on the other hand would have your beliefs forced upon the rest of society (not too different then any other religious crazies around the world), well, that sounds like she should drop you instead.
Here are my credentials beliefs so you know where I'm coming from:
Yes I own guns
No I don't like Obama
Yes I don't like the Tea Party
I truly and absolutely believe the government should stay the hell out of peoples lives
Yes we should up the death penalties numbers
Edit:
I see you confronted her about it. Good for you, at least she knows where you stand.
This woman doesn't want to force religious beliefs on others? Sounds like a keeper to me. You on the other hand would have your beliefs forced upon the rest of society (not too different then any other religious crazies around the world), well, that sounds like she should drop you instead.
Here are my credentials beliefs so you know where I'm coming from:
Yes I own guns
No I don't like Obama
Yes I don't like the Tea Party
I truly and absolutely believe the government should stay the hell out of peoples lives
Yes we should up the death penalties numbers
Edit:
I see you confronted her about it. Good for you, at least she knows where you stand.
9/29/2011 4:50:27 PM
Originally Posted By IndianaGeologist:
*Agnostic walks into thread*
This woman doesn't want to force religious beliefs on others? Sounds like a keeper to me. You on the other hand would have your beliefs forced upon the rest of society (not too different then any other religious crazies around the world), well, that sounds like she should drop you instead.
Here are my credentials beliefs so you know where I'm coming from:
Yes I own guns
No I don't like Obama
Yes I don't like the Tea Party
I truly and absolutely believe the government should stay the hell out of peoples lives
Yes we should up the death penalties numbers
Edit:
I see you confronted her about it. Good for you, at least she knows where you stand.
*Agnostic walks into thread*
This woman doesn't want to force religious beliefs on others? Sounds like a keeper to me. You on the other hand would have your beliefs forced upon the rest of society (not too different then any other religious crazies around the world), well, that sounds like she should drop you instead.
Here are my credentials beliefs so you know where I'm coming from:
Yes I own guns
No I don't like Obama
Yes I don't like the Tea Party
I truly and absolutely believe the government should stay the hell out of peoples lives
Yes we should up the death penalties numbers
Edit:
I see you confronted her about it. Good for you, at least she knows where you stand.
Not forcing your beliefs on someone does not equal supporting something you believe to be abhorrent.
10/4/2011 12:56:34 AM
My advice? She sounds like a liberal but kind person. Volunteering at an abortion clinic is actually a very compassionate thing. Since she did not think for herself that it was something to do, but understanding that others cannot find the choice quite so easy, she decided to help. She did not force her beliefs on others while working there as is right and correct. You cannot force someone to believe as you do but you must lead by christian loving example and then lead them to the right. Being a liberal I won't fault her for that though many are not as principled as this woman seems to be.
Myself? Christian, fiscally conservative and I believe the Tea Party has it right. I don't think you should get my money if you can't take care of it. I have to live within my means and so should you. I am not a republican or follow any political party, however. If you are so narrow minded that you can't love her then you need to assess what you are looking for in a companion. Christ found love and compassion for ALL sinners and saints. He went to people's homes and ate with them. Their hearts only change by you having an example as He did.
Myself? Christian, fiscally conservative and I believe the Tea Party has it right. I don't think you should get my money if you can't take care of it. I have to live within my means and so should you. I am not a republican or follow any political party, however. If you are so narrow minded that you can't love her then you need to assess what you are looking for in a companion. Christ found love and compassion for ALL sinners and saints. He went to people's homes and ate with them. Their hearts only change by you having an example as He did.
10/4/2011 11:08:52 AM
Originally Posted By IndianaGeologist:
*Agnostic walks into thread*
This woman doesn't want to force religious beliefs on others? Sounds like a keeper to me. You on the other hand would have your beliefs forced upon the rest of society (not too different then any other religious crazies around the world), well, that sounds like she should drop you instead.
Here are my credentials beliefs so you know where I'm coming from:
Yes I own guns
No I don't like Obama
Yes I don't like the Tea Party
I truly and absolutely believe the government should stay the hell out of peoples lives
Yes we should up the death penalties numbers
Edit:
I see you confronted her about it. Good for you, at least she knows where you stand.
*Agnostic walks into thread*
This woman doesn't want to force religious beliefs on others? Sounds like a keeper to me. You on the other hand would have your beliefs forced upon the rest of society (not too different then any other religious crazies around the world), well, that sounds like she should drop you instead.
Here are my credentials beliefs so you know where I'm coming from:
Yes I own guns
No I don't like Obama
Yes I don't like the Tea Party
I truly and absolutely believe the government should stay the hell out of peoples lives
Yes we should up the death penalties numbers
Edit:
I see you confronted her about it. Good for you, at least she knows where you stand.
WOW!!!! finally someone on my side... PRO GUN, PRO CHOICE.... and I thought I was alone in this world....
10/8/2011 4:22:24 PM
WOW!!!! finally someone on my side... PRO GUN, PRO CHOICE.... and I thought I was alone in this world....
I guess there are at least three of us.
Chris
