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 Should an Atheist be given a Christmas bonus?
Dieselman  [Member]
12/16/2011 7:15:49 PM
If you had an Atheist working for your company that was very vocal about being offended by the idea of Christmas would you still give him/her a Christmas bonus?
sparky923  [Member]
12/16/2011 7:48:35 PM
Do unto others.............

Remember that one?
Dieselman  [Member]
12/16/2011 7:50:21 PM
Originally Posted By sparky923:
Do unto others.............

Remember that one?


Absolutely! I agree with you too. But it's an interesting thought, that they would find everything about it repulsive, yet still take the money.
HiramRanger  [Life Member]
12/16/2011 7:52:52 PM
I dont think the bonus is really for Christmas peer se, but more timed as an end of the year bonus that they would receive anyway, but in time for the holidays.
bassboy9123  [Member]
12/16/2011 7:53:41 PM
No, don't give them a Christmas bonus. That would be blatantly forcing a religion on them. We don't want that..now do we.

Just give them a "Happy Holi-, uh, December Days!"

Stir the puddin'
bloodsport2885  [Team Member]
12/16/2011 7:59:54 PM
A Christmas bonus is called that because it happens to come out around Christmas. Its really an incentive for the next year to be productive and is a windfall of everyone's hard work.

I'm a Christian but denying someone a windfall for their hard work and giving it to others is just unchristian. Especially for something that is none of your business.

ETA if they refuse it out of principle then that's their own dumb ass fault.
timpryor  [Life Member]
12/16/2011 8:10:22 PM
Yes, do unto others, and pray for those who hate you or your beliefs
JIP  [Team Member]
12/16/2011 8:29:21 PM
So why is it again that some companies choose to say "Happy Holidays".
PBIR  [Team Member]
12/16/2011 8:33:18 PM
Originally Posted By bloodsport2885:
A Christmas bonus is called that because it happens to come out around Christmas. Its really an incentive for the next year to be productive and is a windfall of everyone's hard work.



That might be true where you work, but it is incorrect as a blanket statement. BOT, I would not withhold the bonus from any employee, but I would definitely title it "Christmas Bonus".

loonybin  [Team Member]
12/16/2011 9:00:58 PM

Originally Posted By bloodsport2885:
Especially for something that is none of your business.

Ah! But the atheist being very vocal about his hatred of the idea of Christmas makes it your business since he's putting it out there in the public sphere. That being said, I agree that they should not be denied the bonus, especially if they worked hard and earned it. Making sure it's titled "Christmas bonus" is perfectly acceptable in my book, though...
Johnny_Reno  [Team Member]
12/16/2011 9:04:10 PM


Of course, you do.

walttx  [Team Member]
12/16/2011 9:31:03 PM
Yes
stevem1a  [Team Member]
12/16/2011 9:46:30 PM
If the other employees get a bonus for the same sort of work, so do they.

It is only called a Christmas Bonus due to the beliefs of management.

They could call if a Solstice Supplement, if they were far enough to the Left.


Steve
JIP  [Team Member]
12/16/2011 9:57:40 PM

Originally Posted By stevem1a:
If the other employees get a bonus for the same sort of work, so do they.

It is only called a Christmas Bonus due to the beliefs of management.

They could call if a Solstice Supplement, if they were far enough to the Left.


Steve

I have a feeling if that were the case the Christian would be very vocally offended.
atram6  [Team Member]
12/18/2011 5:16:34 AM
Let's see if they put "Their money where their mouths are"!

But I would say NO!
WatchingWaiting  [Team Member]
12/18/2011 8:08:55 AM
Behold, the wages of the laborers who mowed your fields, which you kept back by fraud, are crying out against you, and the cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord of hosts. (James 5:4)

Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness, his upper rooms by injustice, making his countrymen work for nothing, not paying them for their labor. (Jeremiah 22:13)

For the word of God is living, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. (Hebrews 4:12)

Of my employees, non-believers outnumber believers 3 to 1, but everyone gets a bonus. It is up to us as believers to be an example of God's love for everyone, especially non-believers, regardless of whether they consider us fools.

So will My word be which goes forth from My mouth; It will not return to Me empty, Without accomplishing what I desire, And without succeeding in the matter for which I sent it. (Isaiah 55:11)

Merry Christmas!



m193  [Member]
12/18/2011 8:34:15 AM
Only if you want the person to perform as well the next year.
Guz  [Member]
12/18/2011 8:34:58 AM
No.
TheWind  [Team Member]
12/18/2011 7:37:53 PM
Saturnalia bonus?
ankratz  [Team Member]
12/18/2011 9:20:33 PM
Is it a Christian company? You should had least have the courtesy to tell the guy that so he's not let down every year thinking it's something that's his own fault.
jtsteele  [Team Member]
12/18/2011 9:37:55 PM
For most companies a "Christmas" bonus has as much to do with the celebration of the birth of the messiah as with the triumph of the Maccabees and the never-ending lamp oil.

You'd have to be very careful, though, about not giving a bonus to an atheist. They may take offense and then you're looking at defending a possible EEO violation.

This being said, Happy Birth of the Risen Lord to all you fucking heretics out there!
Silver_Surfer  [Team Member]
12/19/2011 3:06:11 PM
I got mine
HardShell  [Moderator]
12/19/2011 5:34:01 PM

Originally Posted By timpryor:
Yes, do unto others, and pray for those who hate you or your beliefs

Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men. For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain. Do not I hate them, O LORD, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee? I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.




Wyzardd  [Team Member]
12/19/2011 5:53:17 PM
Sorry. Wrong thread
GolgoThirteen  [Member]
12/20/2011 10:22:14 AM
I am more agnostic than atheist. I celebrate Christmas.

To me it is more of a celebration of giving and enjoying the company of the REAL people around you that you care about.

I would be pissed if I worked for a company that didn't pay me what others were paid based on religion. That type of religious discrimination wouldn't fly where I currently work.

Matt_B  [Team Member]
12/20/2011 10:26:48 AM
Originally Posted By Dieselman:
If you had an Atheist working for your company that was very vocal about being offended by the idea of Christmas would you still give him/her a Christmas bonus?
Yes, I would still give them their bonus but I might drop a hint that they should STFU and respect other's beliefs even if they don't agree with them.

loonybin  [Team Member]
12/21/2011 1:57:37 AM

Originally Posted By Matt_B:
Originally Posted By Dieselman:
If you had an Atheist working for your company that was very vocal about being offended by the idea of Christmas would you still give him/her a Christmas bonus?
Yes, I would still give them their bonus but I might drop a hint that they should STFU and respect other's beliefs even if they don't agree with them.

Very good point. Let them know that they very vocally offend many coworkers, so they better not complain about being offended.

HoodyHoo21  [Team Member]
12/21/2011 2:34:16 PM
While I understand the roots of Christmas are obviously religious, it's just as much a social holiday now as it is a religious holiday. For instance, my wife and celebrate Christmas even though we are both atheists and it has absolutely no religious meaning to us. I'll admit, that's kinda weird, but really it became a social holiday.

Give an atheist a Christmas bonus, too.

If not, then is it fair that an atheist boss has his Christian employees work on Christmas day as if it is any normal day, because it doesn't mean anything religious to him? Personally, I think that would be very screwed up....just like giving everyone but an atheist a Christmas bonus.