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Tithing question.
1/25/2012 1:47:42 PM
Hello all,
I'm sure this has been asked on here before but, I need info. on "Tithing" . I believe that it is a Biblical instruction to give 10% of your income back to God. But where do I find the give 10% instruction?
Or is it just that the word "tithe" means 10%? Wife is trying to witness to some family members, and they don't believe that the Bible say to do so. I can find verses on tithing, but nothing saying to give 10% outright.
Thanks, and God Bless.
I'm sure this has been asked on here before but, I need info. on "Tithing" . I believe that it is a Biblical instruction to give 10% of your income back to God. But where do I find the give 10% instruction?
Or is it just that the word "tithe" means 10%? Wife is trying to witness to some family members, and they don't believe that the Bible say to do so. I can find verses on tithing, but nothing saying to give 10% outright.
Thanks, and God Bless.
1/25/2012 2:10:54 PM
The ten percent thing comes from Deuteronomy 14:22
1/25/2012 3:41:48 PM
Originally Posted By DeltronFive:
The ten percent thing comes from Deuteronomy 14:22
The ten percent thing comes from Deuteronomy 14:22
Cool, thank you.
I also just found Genesis 14:20
" Blessed be Abram by God Most High, Creator of heaven and earth. And blessed be God Most High, who delivered your enemies into your hand." Then Abram gave him a tenth of everything - NIV
1/26/2012 10:00:22 AM
I found a lot of verses in my Bible that deal with tithing here are there headings let me know if you want the scriptures that go with any of them
The Doctrine of tithing
Tithing before the law of Moses
Tithing under the law of Moses
Commanded
Five purposes
Belonged to God
Where brought
If borrowed
TITHING IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
Christ taught it
Paul taught it
Blessings of tithing
Examples of paying tithes
And then it states "No scripture even mentions a substitute program for tithing in the New Testament"
And a little of my personal testimony on not giving tithes.
I was just going to church at the time ,I wasn't saved. I lived on my own and got to partying to the point I began to miss church ,normally I would put up my tithes and just give them whenever I made it to church. But for whatever reason I just stopped giving my tithes....I began to have problems getting hours at work ,and money got tight...But when the hours picked back up I was getting overtime.... Now at no time did I get in the hole I just wreaked my savings account ,and was broke living check to check. This went on for months ,so I actually looked at my budget something I was't use to doing because I always had savings and not many bills didn't buy stuff I didn't need. I had rent ,utility's ,truck payment ,my motor cycle was paid for ,and sport bikes can get 200mi on a tank so I wasn't out much on gas. On paper in just one month my bring home was more than my bills by some hundreds 300-500 ,but I was broke. One day on my way home from work I thought about how your house will be blessed if you take care of His ,and how I didn't run in to problems until I stopped giving my tithes. But the big issue now was I thought I couldn't afford to give them now that I was broke by that Sunday I decided I couldn't afford not to give them.
I went on to a better paying job that just fell in my lap that topped out my pay scale ,and was a lot less driving. Looking back I remember that I started telling people how good it was to give tithes ,and how I enjoyed giving my tithes and offering. I ending up getting another job that just fell in my lap paying over my pay scale that came with a company vehicle. I wasn't living righteous ,but I was raised to give my tithes since the first day I worked any kind of job. God rains on the just and on the unjust and like 2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
The Doctrine of tithing
Tithing before the law of Moses
Tithing under the law of Moses
Commanded
Five purposes
Belonged to God
Where brought
If borrowed
TITHING IN THE NEW TESTAMENT
Christ taught it
Paul taught it
Blessings of tithing
Examples of paying tithes
And then it states "No scripture even mentions a substitute program for tithing in the New Testament"
And a little of my personal testimony on not giving tithes.
I was just going to church at the time ,I wasn't saved. I lived on my own and got to partying to the point I began to miss church ,normally I would put up my tithes and just give them whenever I made it to church. But for whatever reason I just stopped giving my tithes....I began to have problems getting hours at work ,and money got tight...But when the hours picked back up I was getting overtime.... Now at no time did I get in the hole I just wreaked my savings account ,and was broke living check to check. This went on for months ,so I actually looked at my budget something I was't use to doing because I always had savings and not many bills didn't buy stuff I didn't need. I had rent ,utility's ,truck payment ,my motor cycle was paid for ,and sport bikes can get 200mi on a tank so I wasn't out much on gas. On paper in just one month my bring home was more than my bills by some hundreds 300-500 ,but I was broke. One day on my way home from work I thought about how your house will be blessed if you take care of His ,and how I didn't run in to problems until I stopped giving my tithes. But the big issue now was I thought I couldn't afford to give them now that I was broke by that Sunday I decided I couldn't afford not to give them.
I went on to a better paying job that just fell in my lap that topped out my pay scale ,and was a lot less driving. Looking back I remember that I started telling people how good it was to give tithes ,and how I enjoyed giving my tithes and offering. I ending up getting another job that just fell in my lap paying over my pay scale that came with a company vehicle. I wasn't living righteous ,but I was raised to give my tithes since the first day I worked any kind of job. God rains on the just and on the unjust and like 2 Peter 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
1/26/2012 10:01:17 PM
Hey thanks sonyvman for your reply.
Awesome testimony. I'm glad your doing good in the finance area with God. I know tithing can be a really difficult subject for some people. My wife who has only been a christian for about 5 years now, had a really hard time with it at first. The whole idea of tithing was pretty hard for her to fully understand, and to do. But over time she has seen the finical blessings God has given us for being obedient and faithful in tithing to back to Him. She tested Him, and He did and is doing exactly what He said He would in Malachi 3:10 &11 and He is continually blessing us today. And now my wife won't have it any other way!
But, she has a aunt who is catholic, and was really upset I guess about the tithing thing when my wife told her we tithed, and her aunt said to her that the Bible doesn't say anything about the 10% amount, so that's where this question originated from.
But here is some verses that I have found on 10% or a "Tenth" ....
Genesis 14:20
Deuteronomy 14:22 ( thanks DeltronFive
)
Hebrews 7:2
Still looking if there are any more verses on 10%.
But will take anymore verses on it you got them to give brother!
Thanks sonyvman79. And God bless you!
Awesome testimony. I'm glad your doing good in the finance area with God. I know tithing can be a really difficult subject for some people. My wife who has only been a christian for about 5 years now, had a really hard time with it at first. The whole idea of tithing was pretty hard for her to fully understand, and to do. But over time she has seen the finical blessings God has given us for being obedient and faithful in tithing to back to Him. She tested Him, and He did and is doing exactly what He said He would in Malachi 3:10 &11 and He is continually blessing us today. And now my wife won't have it any other way!
But, she has a aunt who is catholic, and was really upset I guess about the tithing thing when my wife told her we tithed, and her aunt said to her that the Bible doesn't say anything about the 10% amount, so that's where this question originated from.
But here is some verses that I have found on 10% or a "Tenth" ....
Genesis 14:20
Deuteronomy 14:22 ( thanks DeltronFive
)
Hebrews 7:2
Still looking if there are any more verses on 10%.
But will take anymore verses on it you got them to give brother!
Thanks sonyvman79. And God bless you!
1/27/2012 2:43:01 PM
There is no commandment or system for tithing in the new testament.
Tithing is tied to the temple system. Which 'storehouse' are you bringing your tithe to? Jesus endorsed tithing but that was in the Old Testament and the Temple system was in place.
If you are going to tithe keep in mind that there are also other specifics about it. Like every few years getting together and having a party with the money from one year spending it on what your heart desires. Really. That's in there.
The tithe was used as support for the priests in the temple and for the poor. There is no temple now. I'm SDA and they believe in tithing but I don't see it biblically for our time. Offering is another issue. We are admonished to make offerings and support the ministry and ministers.
But there is no scriptural rationale for tithing in the new testament.
Tithing is tied to the temple system. Which 'storehouse' are you bringing your tithe to? Jesus endorsed tithing but that was in the Old Testament and the Temple system was in place.
If you are going to tithe keep in mind that there are also other specifics about it. Like every few years getting together and having a party with the money from one year spending it on what your heart desires. Really. That's in there.
The tithe was used as support for the priests in the temple and for the poor. There is no temple now. I'm SDA and they believe in tithing but I don't see it biblically for our time. Offering is another issue. We are admonished to make offerings and support the ministry and ministers.
But there is no scriptural rationale for tithing in the new testament.
1/28/2012 5:13:19 PM
Originally Posted By realengr:
There is no commandment or system for tithing in the new testament.
Tithing is tied to the temple system. Which 'storehouse' are you bringing your tithe to? Jesus endorsed tithing but that was in the Old Testament and the Temple system was in place.
If you are going to tithe keep in mind that there are also other specifics about it. Like every few years getting together and having a party with the money from one year spending it on what your heart desires. Really. That's in there.
The tithe was used as support for the priests in the temple and for the poor. There is no temple now. I'm SDA and they believe in tithing but I don't see it biblically for our time. Offering is another issue. We are admonished to make offerings and support the ministry and ministers.
But there is no scriptural rationale for tithing in the new testament.
There is no commandment or system for tithing in the new testament.
Tithing is tied to the temple system. Which 'storehouse' are you bringing your tithe to? Jesus endorsed tithing but that was in the Old Testament and the Temple system was in place.
If you are going to tithe keep in mind that there are also other specifics about it. Like every few years getting together and having a party with the money from one year spending it on what your heart desires. Really. That's in there.
The tithe was used as support for the priests in the temple and for the poor. There is no temple now. I'm SDA and they believe in tithing but I don't see it biblically for our time. Offering is another issue. We are admonished to make offerings and support the ministry and ministers.
But there is no scriptural rationale for tithing in the new testament.
Ok, thanks realengr for your help on this.
1/30/2012 2:29:36 PM
Christ followed the religion of his fathers and tithed, preaching the law of tithing. The purpose of tithing was to give back to God a percentage of what HE had given you in order to further His plan on Earth. Missionaries, missions, land for buildings and taxes, even printing and copy paper must be paid for by someone and the tithing was meant to provide for that. Should the minister of a church live an extravagant lifestyle supported by members? No. The priests also had work and duties of the time outside of the temple pertaining to the maintenance of their families. I am glad when I hear of a minister keeping a modest salary or of a church that pays no one except for the janitor and grounds crew. The money then goes to where it is needed both home and abroad to spread the gospel more cost effectively.
A tithe literally means 'tenth'...and it is based pretty much 10% of your total income. You can be an accountant on it- making exact calculations but I try to round it off up to the nearest 10 bucks. if I gross 34,758.34 for the year, I give 3500. It works for me. I also give offerings which help for something specific be it victims of a catastrophe, or those that 'sue me for succor' as the bible mentions. This is one of those things where God pours out the blessings of heaven as a promise for following the law cheerfully. This Law was instituted well before Mosaic Law by God directly. This speaks to its importance to God. In Genesis God gave us 'dominion' over the fishes, birds, and every creeping thing upon the face of the earth. (Genesis 1:26-28) Dominion in Hebrew is from the word "radah"-to tread down, i.e. subjugate; spec. to crumble off:-(come to, make to) have dominion, prevail against, reign, (bear, make to) rule, (-r, over), take. In other words, God has given us the ability and the command to rule and reign over his property and to become faithful stewards.
The Law of Tithing
God has given mankind the exclusive right or dominion to rule over His property and world. We have not only been given the right of dominion, but we are also "free moral agents," able to make our own decisions and to determine our own actions. Therefore, man can bless God with his actions or curse God with his actions. Obedience blesses God, while disobedience is a reproach unto God . Tithing blesses, while not tithing is obviously a reproach.
Divine Ownership
If this principle could finally be understood in the hearts of all Christians, then the problems associated with giving and tithing would be over. To support this, I will give you several scriptures to read in the same line. Psalms 24:1, Psalms 50:10-11, Haggai 2:8, Ezekiel 18:4, Romans 14:8, 1 Corinthians 6:20 and 10:26.
In these scriptures it tells us that God has possession of everything. We are merely stewards in this world of God's possessions. Even the people of this world belong to him.
"Will a man rob God ? Yet you have robbed Me! But you say, `In what way have we robbed You?' In tithes and offerings. You are cursed with a curse, for you have robbed Me , even this whole nation. Bring all the tithes into the storehouse , that there may be food in My house, and prove Me now in this , if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you such blessing that there will not be room enough to receive it . And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, so that he will not destroy the fruit of your ground, nor shall the vine fail to bear fruit for you in the field," says the Lord of hosts; And all nations will call you blessed, for you will be a delightful land," says the Lord of hosts." (Malachi 3:8-12)
A commandment with a promise!
An example, I am self employed. I have a shop and something broke. It was the last one and I use this tool a lot. To replace it would be almost $100 which money is tight right now. I found one in a yard sale in excellent condition for $8 and I only went to 3 sales on a whim because they were in the same block. The choice had been to be faithful and pay the tithe but not complete a lot of work or to buy a new tool. A solution presented itself. I have many examples of this in my life in doing this. Incidentally, the tool was the exact same make and model of tool and I cannot accept this was a coincidence. I had just purchased a new collete and nut for the old one and the yard sale one was missing these parts.
Hope this helps.
A tithe literally means 'tenth'...and it is based pretty much 10% of your total income. You can be an accountant on it- making exact calculations but I try to round it off up to the nearest 10 bucks. if I gross 34,758.34 for the year, I give 3500. It works for me. I also give offerings which help for something specific be it victims of a catastrophe, or those that 'sue me for succor' as the bible mentions. This is one of those things where God pours out the blessings of heaven as a promise for following the law cheerfully. This Law was instituted well before Mosaic Law by God directly. This speaks to its importance to God. In Genesis God gave us 'dominion' over the fishes, birds, and every creeping thing upon the face of the earth. (Genesis 1:26-28) Dominion in Hebrew is from the word "radah"-to tread down, i.e. subjugate; spec. to crumble off:-(come to, make to) have dominion, prevail against, reign, (bear, make to) rule, (-r, over), take. In other words, God has given us the ability and the command to rule and reign over his property and to become faithful stewards.
The Law of Tithing
God has given mankind the exclusive right or dominion to rule over His property and world. We have not only been given the right of dominion, but we are also "free moral agents," able to make our own decisions and to determine our own actions. Therefore, man can bless God with his actions or curse God with his actions. Obedience blesses God, while disobedience is a reproach unto God . Tithing blesses, while not tithing is obviously a reproach.
Divine Ownership
If this principle could finally be understood in the hearts of all Christians, then the problems associated with giving and tithing would be over. To support this, I will give you several scriptures to read in the same line. Psalms 24:1, Psalms 50:10-11, Haggai 2:8, Ezekiel 18:4, Romans 14:8, 1 Corinthians 6:20 and 10:26.
In these scriptures it tells us that God has possession of everything. We are merely stewards in this world of God's possessions. Even the people of this world belong to him.
"Will a man rob God ? Yet you have robbed Me! But you say, `In what way have we robbed You?' In tithes and offerings. You are cursed with a curse, for you have robbed Me , even this whole nation. Bring all the tithes into the storehouse , that there may be food in My house, and prove Me now in this , if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you such blessing that there will not be room enough to receive it . And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, so that he will not destroy the fruit of your ground, nor shall the vine fail to bear fruit for you in the field," says the Lord of hosts; And all nations will call you blessed, for you will be a delightful land," says the Lord of hosts." (Malachi 3:8-12)
A commandment with a promise!
An example, I am self employed. I have a shop and something broke. It was the last one and I use this tool a lot. To replace it would be almost $100 which money is tight right now. I found one in a yard sale in excellent condition for $8 and I only went to 3 sales on a whim because they were in the same block. The choice had been to be faithful and pay the tithe but not complete a lot of work or to buy a new tool. A solution presented itself. I have many examples of this in my life in doing this. Incidentally, the tool was the exact same make and model of tool and I cannot accept this was a coincidence. I had just purchased a new collete and nut for the old one and the yard sale one was missing these parts.
Hope this helps.
1/30/2012 8:01:04 PM
Originally Posted By GoatHerder:
Christ followed the religion of his fathers and tithed, preaching the law of tithing. The purpose of tithing was to give back to God a percentage of what HE had given you in order to further His plan on Earth. Missionaries, missions, land for buildings and taxes, even printing and copy paper must be paid for by someone and the tithing was meant to provide for that. Should the minister of a church live an extravagant lifestyle supported by members? No. The priests also had work and duties of the time outside of the temple pertaining to the maintenance of their families. I am glad when I hear of a minister keeping a modest salary or of a church that pays no one except for the janitor and grounds crew. The money then goes to where it is needed both home and abroad to spread the gospel more cost effectively.
A tithe literally means 'tenth'...and it is based pretty much 10% of your total income. You can be an accountant on it- making exact calculations but I try to round it off up to the nearest 10 bucks. if I gross 34,758.34 for the year, I give 3500. It works for me. I also give offerings which help for something specific be it victims of a catastrophe, or those that 'sue me for succor' as the bible mentions. This is one of those things where God pours out the blessings of heaven as a promise for following the law cheerfully. This Law was instituted well before Mosaic Law by God directly. This speaks to its importance to God. In Genesis God gave us 'dominion' over the fishes, birds, and every creeping thing upon the face of the earth. (Genesis 1:26-28) Dominion in Hebrew is from the word "radah"-to tread down, i.e. subjugate; spec. to crumble off:-(come to, make to) have dominion, prevail against, reign, (bear, make to) rule, (-r, over), take. In other words, God has given us the ability and the command to rule and reign over his property and to become faithful stewards.
The Law of Tithing
God has given mankind the exclusive right or dominion to rule over His property and world. We have not only been given the right of dominion, but we are also "free moral agents," able to make our own decisions and to determine our own actions. Therefore, man can bless God with his actions or curse God with his actions. Obedience blesses God, while disobedience is a reproach unto God . Tithing blesses, while not tithing is obviously a reproach.
Divine Ownership
If this principle could finally be understood in the hearts of all Christians, then the problems associated with giving and tithing would be over. To support this, I will give you several scriptures to read in the same line. Psalms 24:1, Psalms 50:10-11, Haggai 2:8, Ezekiel 18:4, Romans 14:8, 1 Corinthians 6:20 and 10:26.
In these scriptures it tells us that God has possession of everything. We are merely stewards in this world of God's possessions. Even the people of this world belong to him.
"Will a man rob God ? Yet you have robbed Me! But you say, `In what way have we robbed You?' In tithes and offerings. You are cursed with a curse, for you have robbed Me , even this whole nation. Bring all the tithes into the storehouse , that there may be food in My house, and prove Me now in this , if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you such blessing that there will not be room enough to receive it . And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, so that he will not destroy the fruit of your ground, nor shall the vine fail to bear fruit for you in the field," says the Lord of hosts; And all nations will call you blessed, for you will be a delightful land," says the Lord of hosts." (Malachi 3:8-12)
A commandment with a promise!
An example, I am self employed. I have a shop and something broke. It was the last one and I use this tool a lot. To replace it would be almost $100 which money is tight right now. I found one in a yard sale in excellent condition for $8 and I only went to 3 sales on a whim because they were in the same block. The choice had been to be faithful and pay the tithe but not complete a lot of work or to buy a new tool. A solution presented itself. I have many examples of this in my life in doing this. Incidentally, the tool was the exact same make and model of tool and I cannot accept this was a coincidence. I had just purchased a new collete and nut for the old one and the yard sale one was missing these parts.
Hope this helps.
Christ followed the religion of his fathers and tithed, preaching the law of tithing. The purpose of tithing was to give back to God a percentage of what HE had given you in order to further His plan on Earth. Missionaries, missions, land for buildings and taxes, even printing and copy paper must be paid for by someone and the tithing was meant to provide for that. Should the minister of a church live an extravagant lifestyle supported by members? No. The priests also had work and duties of the time outside of the temple pertaining to the maintenance of their families. I am glad when I hear of a minister keeping a modest salary or of a church that pays no one except for the janitor and grounds crew. The money then goes to where it is needed both home and abroad to spread the gospel more cost effectively.
A tithe literally means 'tenth'...and it is based pretty much 10% of your total income. You can be an accountant on it- making exact calculations but I try to round it off up to the nearest 10 bucks. if I gross 34,758.34 for the year, I give 3500. It works for me. I also give offerings which help for something specific be it victims of a catastrophe, or those that 'sue me for succor' as the bible mentions. This is one of those things where God pours out the blessings of heaven as a promise for following the law cheerfully. This Law was instituted well before Mosaic Law by God directly. This speaks to its importance to God. In Genesis God gave us 'dominion' over the fishes, birds, and every creeping thing upon the face of the earth. (Genesis 1:26-28) Dominion in Hebrew is from the word "radah"-to tread down, i.e. subjugate; spec. to crumble off:-(come to, make to) have dominion, prevail against, reign, (bear, make to) rule, (-r, over), take. In other words, God has given us the ability and the command to rule and reign over his property and to become faithful stewards.
The Law of Tithing
God has given mankind the exclusive right or dominion to rule over His property and world. We have not only been given the right of dominion, but we are also "free moral agents," able to make our own decisions and to determine our own actions. Therefore, man can bless God with his actions or curse God with his actions. Obedience blesses God, while disobedience is a reproach unto God . Tithing blesses, while not tithing is obviously a reproach.
Divine Ownership
If this principle could finally be understood in the hearts of all Christians, then the problems associated with giving and tithing would be over. To support this, I will give you several scriptures to read in the same line. Psalms 24:1, Psalms 50:10-11, Haggai 2:8, Ezekiel 18:4, Romans 14:8, 1 Corinthians 6:20 and 10:26.
In these scriptures it tells us that God has possession of everything. We are merely stewards in this world of God's possessions. Even the people of this world belong to him.
"Will a man rob God ? Yet you have robbed Me! But you say, `In what way have we robbed You?' In tithes and offerings. You are cursed with a curse, for you have robbed Me , even this whole nation. Bring all the tithes into the storehouse , that there may be food in My house, and prove Me now in this , if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you such blessing that there will not be room enough to receive it . And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, so that he will not destroy the fruit of your ground, nor shall the vine fail to bear fruit for you in the field," says the Lord of hosts; And all nations will call you blessed, for you will be a delightful land," says the Lord of hosts." (Malachi 3:8-12)
A commandment with a promise!
An example, I am self employed. I have a shop and something broke. It was the last one and I use this tool a lot. To replace it would be almost $100 which money is tight right now. I found one in a yard sale in excellent condition for $8 and I only went to 3 sales on a whim because they were in the same block. The choice had been to be faithful and pay the tithe but not complete a lot of work or to buy a new tool. A solution presented itself. I have many examples of this in my life in doing this. Incidentally, the tool was the exact same make and model of tool and I cannot accept this was a coincidence. I had just purchased a new collete and nut for the old one and the yard sale one was missing these parts.
Hope this helps.
I agree with you whole heartedly Mr. GoatHerder.
I also wish that tithing could be something more easily grasped by the Modern Christian, I really think & believe the world would be a different place. But probably a whole different thread subject for that topic. I am looking up those verses you posted for some more Bible knowledge in my life.
Thanks for your input on this topic/subject and God bless you.
