question regarding gay marriage

I heard on the radio today that Starbucks and jc penny's are huge supporters of gay marriage. Penny's is using an openly gay spokesperson and star bucks is going so far as to putting gay marriage things on there cups in some states.
My dilema started because I was supporting star bucks for there 2nd amendment support. I live in wi and we recently got concealed carry. I have also been avoiding and not supporting local businesses that post no ccw.
So if I am willing to not support a business because of there ccw policy it seams that I should be more than willing to avoid a store that supports something that is so wrong according t my faith, right?
My wife says its hateful. I say I don't hate anyone I just can't support anything that supports anything that I know is a sin. I am a Christian and I know that being gay and everything that goes with it is wrong the bible says it is a sexual sin like other sexual sins.
So before I ramble on to much I'll stop. Question is do u support a business or person whatever even though u know they are or they support something that is against your faith? Or do you say "oh its just a cup of coffee" or " but that store has the best –––––– in town "
Not trying to offend anyone it is what it is.

I am pretty sure I could find some thing I disagree about with any one in business today. So, I think you have to pick and choose your battles. Perhaps that means buying your coffee some place else, or perhaps not. I know I am a lot of help here.

For what its worth, if the product or service is good, and the price is good, I don't look too closely at the beliefs of any one involved. If you feel differently, that's your business.

Your money, do what you want.


In.

I do not support companies that openly support something I dont.

Lol yes that is true! Probably could find something wrong with any major company.

I dont support Chic-fil-a because they are supporters of Family First which opposes gays and lesbians.
I know a few gay people, and they are the nicest people you would want to know and deserve the same freedoms that you have. Just because someone in the bronze age decided they didn't like the way gay sex felt when they tried it, they decided to write about how wrong it is and we are still living up to those words to this day for some reason. Its man imposing his opinions as fact that are screwing the country.
You said you just got the right to carry in your state. That is because someone came to the conclusion that it was wrong to deny that right regardless of unpopular opinions. Just because you cant see yourself being happy in another persons position doesn't mean that you should keep them from being happy. I'm sure there are plenty of people that hate you carrying a gun around, but its your business what you do and you would fight it if they tried to take that right away from you.
I'm not trying to convert anyone, get the thread locked, or be disrespectful. Its just my opinion and I'm glad I have the right to state it.

As time keeps on winding down ,it's going to be harder, and harder to shop. Here in the DFW a woman lost her job at Macy's because she wouldn't let a cross dresser change in the women's dressing room here's the story.

I'll be holding out as long as I can from shopping at stores that openly support gays ,but gays are getting up in high places, and who will be able to stand?

I wish "The church" ( all denominations) could work together, to either take America back to good morals ,or set up our own infrastructure separate from the masses.

I know some people have issues with me, wanting denominations to come together, but Jesus is coming to separate the sheep from the goats it's not about denominations, it's saved or un-saved.

I generally don't care what other people do in their private life. I find it odd that other people do......

With that said, I would try and avoid a business that supported things that I do not.

Well, as christian people, I really don't think that supporting a company or cause which supports, or even promotes something that God, and through His eternal word that being the Bible, which calls outright sin and even heinous at that, this particular kind of lifestyle, should not be financially or otherwise supported by christian people.

But however as God's word dictates this, these particular views that we have because of what the Bible has to say about them should be put into the context in which the Bible has set them forth for us to understand.

And that is that God, has set forth His own will concerning things such as homosexual behavior between people as a thing or lifestyle,which is not a natural thing for people to do to one another and has been proven not to be generally a healthy thing even physically for people to do and especially practice.

It is God's will as a Creative Being, for people to act out in accordance to the particular way in which they were created and with cause.

God said also through His will, and His word long before any of us were born of our own mothers that this type of behavior was, and as I understand it, still is, an abomination before Him.

But, as that may be as something that we are not to condone, still the people who practice it are not to be hated or pushed away from us, but are to be understood as persons who are more like us in many ways, yet unlike us, in the ways that God would have us to be.

It is my opinion about openly promoting gay affiliations within certain companies not only here, but around the world does cause many problems that otherwise need not be.

And one of those is the steady breaking down of concervative traditional christian values which takes God's blessing off of the land, the family, and a strong national security within a certain border, and replaces it with the reverse of these things in which God does not bless or approve of as the christian Bible dictates.

It is these other adverse things, that being, because of open rebellion towards God at its core, that will happen because of them being just a matter of time at God's own descretion concerning this type of open behavior about anything which goes cross-grain to the word of God will be harshly delt with by Him in due course concerning future events which should concern us all.

And by those Biblical examples if true, can be very destructive to human society on all fronts and up to and including double destuction upon all who play a part either passivly or in fact actively as to an open promotion of it without repentance concerning this type of immoral activity.

These are God's own words concerning this, in which by His own righteousness and sovereignty explain it.

What more can be said?

Thanks,

SAE

I don't care what a company supports or doesn't, unless they push it down my throat. The messages on the cups would piss me off over time. I like Ben and Jerry's ice cream. They are libtards, and I don't care.

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you may be over thinking it. while i don't share your faith or view on same sex relationships I do think that someone such as yourself in this day and age could find sin in just about everything you come into contact with outside of your home if you really looked hard and got biblical. and I'm not saying this to be rude, just simply my observation.

my advice would to be relax a bit. but what do i know. I'm a godless heathen

I may consider your way of thinking the day two men ,or two women lay together ,and make a baby the way a man and a woman can, with no surrogates, turkey basters ,or syringes. Gays are anti creation ,and I feel sorry them, and any other reprobates read Romans 1:21-32

There is actually a lot of truth in this. I think same sex relationships are immoral BUT it is their choice and it isn't my place to openly judge them. You have to pick your battles and when you live in a Godless society like we do you can easily find yourself overwhelmed if you try to fight them all.

"In 2005, Baylor University, a Baptist college in Waco, Texas, pulled Starbucks cups printed with a quote from writer Armistead Maupin who said that life is too damn short to hide being gay."

I cut that off of this artictle , I could't hold a cup that said that on it, and it's not out of hate, it's out of principles. I also don't like the use of the "D Word".

Could you see yourself enjoying your mocha latte, and Jesus came and sat next to you. How would you feel about that High Dollar cup of joe, that supports gay marriage?

I really like coffee ,but it's not a necessity and it's available from a bunch of different sources, though I will miss the occasional frappuccino.

Some restaurant chains seem to support gluttony. Gluttony is a sin equal to homosexual activity, as I understand the concept of sin.

If you were hungry, would you refuse to eat at a restaurant chain whose corporate advertising seemed to support gluttony?

I have seen gluttony promoted in churches. Kind of confusing, isn't it?

Well for me, at 250lbs a restaurant that you thinks promotes gluttony, is telling me I can have a good meal. But I go to the gym 4-5 days a week and have 20" arms and so forth, I lift heavy so i eat over 3,500 calories a day, so for me to sit down and eat and not even get full is gluttony for some people, I stopped going to T.G.I. Friday's because I wound up have to order two plates and could still go for more and wouldn't be full.

So to me gluttony is one of those sins that you would have to judge someone to say they are committing it, even if someone was 450lbs you can't really say they are gluttonous they may have been at one time ,and have asked forgiveness and are trying to get right. Homosexuality is a clear abomination there's no such thing as a little gay.

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leviticus 18:22

[quote ] So to me gluttony is one of those sins that you would have to judge someone to say they are committing it, [/quote]

I did say it was confusing. Looking at people on the street, I am not confused about it happening, however.

All have sinned, is the point I was making. If your sin was not gluttony, or homosexual activity, it was some thing else.

Correct me if I am wrong, but as I understand it, all are sinners. That is, you, me, those people you see rolling down the street, and every one you saw in church last Sunday, plus every one who got lucky in that gay bar last Saturday night.

Did I leave any one out?

do they the restaurants openly state they support gluttony ?

How does a church promote gluttony ? just curious

If this is the case, Id think religion would endorse gay relationships so that they could reduce the gay community since they dont reproduce. If you want to blame anyone, blame all the straight couples for having gay babies!

I did say it was confusing. Looking at people on the street, I am not confused about it happening, however.

All have sinned, is the point I was making. If your sin was not gluttony, or homosexual activity, it was some thing else.

Correct me if I am wrong, but as I understand it, all are sinners. That is, you, me, those people you see rolling down the street, and every one you saw in church last Sunday, plus every one who got lucky in that gay bar last Saturday night.

Did I leave any one out?[/quote]




Yes we're all sinners ,but you don't have to stay a sinner I'm guessing you read 1 John 1:10 "If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us." If I'm right you should read all of 1 John so you can understand what he's saying.

Salvation is how you live free from sin.
1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

So have I sinned yes, I'm I a sinner no, will I sin? It can happen ,but will I be out of grace, will I be lost, will I have the mind to ask for forgiveness? This is why I strive to live holy 2 Corinthians 6:17 "Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you."

When I got saved, I was totally delivered from a lot of things worldly music, drinking, lust ... according to the world I wasn't a bad person, I would have been considered a good family man ,but I was far from saved. Now I realize what it means I enjoy life, salvation is far better than anything the world has to offer. Now I still have to deal with pasted sins, even though they are forgiven, they have a way of popping up on you ,and temptations are not going to go away totally you will be tested. Now the lure of sin is hard for a lot of people to get free from ,but you are talking about natural sins, we are born in to sin so it is natural. But when you go against God and put your own ideals of God to make Him corruptible as man, Romans 1:24"Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves" Romans 1:28-29 "And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; 29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers," God has given them over to be reprobate-1. A morally unprincipled person. 2. One who is predestined to damnation. adj. 1. Morally unprincipled; shameless.
I don't think homosexuality is a normal sin, I think it's something that has the person trapped, and destine for hell, They can get saved but ,it's going to be hard

There is no such thing as a gay babies, that is a lie that people who seek to be a fool will fall for.
I did you know the Bible was written back in the Roman Greco days when society more than accepted homosexuality, religion didn't accept it then, it's not going to now.

Well said

I am going to ignore all the rest of the discussion as they don't answer the question posted though I have thoughts on much of them.

To answer grabagear:
Support who you should, use your money where you will. If you are holding that cup in your hand and walking around, then you are essentially carrying a picket sign advertising what they are 'pushing" onto people. If I got that cup, I would ask then and there for another cup. I would also point out, there are other places that provide those drinks and are independently owned support a local business. Or you can get your drink at Dunkin Doughnuts or Tim Horton's if you have them.

If the store or business openly advocates something I am against I will not shop there anymore. It is one thing, for instance, to help out partners of employees get health insurance if it is done matter of factly and this included hetero partners. If you single anyone out for special treatment as in gay partners but dont allow unmarried hetero partners to be covered by insurance then it is discrimination. If you go out of your way, to advocate something and push it on someone like the ben of ben and gerry's advocating the retrial of a cop killer then I may not buy high priced vermont ice cream. There are lots of local businesses that also could use our business and would be happy to accept it.

I have homosexual relatives. Of them, only 1 is a nice person. The rest are nasty and NOT gay (happy). I have been told that I am the reason that this country is going to hell by several of them because I believe in God, believe my government needs to keep its hands to itself and pay its bills with their own money. I want them to be responsible with what I give up to them including my combat children and money. This all is from the person that I have told more than once that I love him and care about him and what happens to him unconditionally.

Now, which of us is happier and loving toward others?

My view of Gay marriage:

Marriage? NO Between man and woman only. Nothing else. Marriage is based on religious premise and gays lesbians have no place in this type of religious ceremony based on Biblical texts. I say again , NO.
Civil Union? I don't care. The government is in charge of that and what they do is based on the whim of the people. That has nothing at all to do with marriage. Does anyone here know the difference between the 2? I do.

Well said! And yes I do know the diff between the two. I especially like the example u gave about a picket sign. I will be using that I'm sure.
This reminds me of an example that I think fits here. Today at work while this lazy a hole was complaining about everything under the sun he used the lords name in vein. That is a big no no in my book. Something I can't stand. I had heard it enough for the day. So i told him that if he couldn't talk to me without using it then he doesn't need to talk to me. Of course he got defensive and tried to justify it bla bla bla. Then says to me oh yeah like u don't ever sin!
I replied with, yes of course I do! But out of all the sins in the world I have control over a few and this is one of them. I can honestly say I do not commit this sin. He asked what else? So i told him a few that popped in my head first. For example I don't drink (anymore) It isn't a sin to drink for everyone but it is for me personally. Because if I drink I get drunk therefore I don't drink anymore. I told him no porn. And of course he didn't believe me.
Anyway I'm rambling, this example fits because this is another sin I have control over! Thank you and I will not be holding that picket sign!

I really hate to have my first post go this way but I noticed the forum and I had to check it out to see how the board really operates. If I offend anyone that is not my intention.

I think the Bible is very clear on subjects like this. In the New Covenant we are told that we can sit down and eat with people who practice other beliefs including some that are very much anti-Chiristian. But we are also told to not take part in food that is offered as a sacrifice or a sacrament to a false god. In my mind this makes it clear that we can support the earthly works of the people who deliberately try to contradict and even destroy our deepest held beliefs. But when it comes to things meant specifically to derail God's law then we must not take part. So any cup with a message on it that condemns the Biblical principles is not going to be held in my hands. If I can go to Penny's and buy a shirt without it being pushed by someone that is openly gay with the express purpose of promoting that lifestyle then I'll buy that shirt. But if there is that promotion of principles in direct opposition to my beliefs I'll buy my shirt somewhere else.

This is all explained in 1 Corinthians 8. Verse 8 says, "But meat (here it means any food - or coffee - but it can mean any goods too) commendeth us not to God: for neither, if we eat, are we the better; neither, if we eat not, are we the worse." In other words the act of partaking in the things prepared by the idolators spoken of in this chapter is not going to cause you to lose your salvation BUT verse 10 says, "For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;". So in other words it's your personal testimony especially to those that are weak in the faith (such as new believers sometimes are) then you don't want them to wonder why you think one thing yet support something else with your money. If that weak believer saw you with that cup with the pro-gay message it would become a stumbling block to him (as described in verse 9). The actual act of partaking in that coffee is not a sin but becoming a stumbling block is very much a sin and one of the few that will be held against a redeemed believer.

As believers we are still of this world and we can't escape every evil as others have pointed out. Every company likely supports something that a Christian wouldn't. But when we lead others into sin with out actions that is very bad. So again you won't see that cup of coffee in my hands. It's no sin to consort with sinners. You can't escape that in this world. But you should avoid looking like you're a sinner and if you carry that cup that's exactly what you will look like. A new believer sees that and thinks, "hey I can profess Christianity and still be worldly" and they may lose their soul as a result. That's what has to be avoided.

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