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Behind the Scene w/ Sandra Fluke
3/5/2012 2:48:45 PM
Much has been made about the way Rush Limbaugh referred to the above named woman who participated in a news conference disguised as a House hearing orchestrated by Nancy Pelosi and her co-horts.
I came across this article http://spectator.org/archives/2012/03/05/rally-for-rush/ which fully exposes the effort put forth by Pelosi and her slimy Progressives. It is very telling once you understand who the "sponsors" are.
I came across this article http://spectator.org/archives/2012/03/05/rally-for-rush/ which fully exposes the effort put forth by Pelosi and her slimy Progressives. It is very telling once you understand who the "sponsors" are.
3/7/2012 5:06:39 AM
This is the smoke and mirrors of the Lefties to take our eye off the real issues.
Also it was a trap that Rush stepped right into that the media will run with till it dies out or Rush is out.
It is all about making the dumbed down voter look at the magicians hand while the other is taking our rights.
Also it was a trap that Rush stepped right into that the media will run with till it dies out or Rush is out.
It is all about making the dumbed down voter look at the magicians hand while the other is taking our rights.
3/7/2012 5:21:12 AM
Originally Posted By JRCmx:
This is the smoke and mirrors of the Lefties to take our eye off the real issues.
Also it was a trap that Rush stepped right into that the media will run with till it dies out or Rush is out.
It is all about making the dumbed down voter look at the magicians hand while the other is taking our rights.
This is the smoke and mirrors of the Lefties to take our eye off the real issues.
Also it was a trap that Rush stepped right into that the media will run with till it dies out or Rush is out.
It is all about making the dumbed down voter look at the magicians hand while the other is taking our rights.
That is the core philosophy of the liberal movement.
3/9/2012 7:56:38 PM
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
3/9/2012 9:47:35 PM
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
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3/9/2012 9:54:51 PM
Originally Posted By stevem1a:
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Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
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I am sorry, what does DU mean? Anyway yes I joined this forum recently because I recently purchased an AR15. Just because my opinions are not in line with yours does not make me a troll. My post was completely civil.
3/9/2012 9:59:36 PM
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
I am sorry, what does DU mean? Anyway yes I joined this forum recently because I recently purchased an AR15. Just because my opinions are not in line with yours does not make me a troll. My post was completely civil.
Originally Posted By stevem1a:
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Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
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I am sorry, what does DU mean? Anyway yes I joined this forum recently because I recently purchased an AR15. Just because my opinions are not in line with yours does not make me a troll. My post was completely civil.
To those interested: I took at look at his comments, after all there's only 6 to look through
Yes, 4 of those posts are in a tech forum about a new gun he got.
That said, Colt, absolutely no one on the right int his debate believes women should not have the option to contraception, is not that it should be available, etc. It's: why should others pay for that elective drug? Anything obama has done will not make it "Free", it will be paid for by all of us, and that's bullshit.
3/9/2012 10:09:01 PM
Originally Posted By Foxnews_FTW:
To those interested: I took at look at his comments, after all there's only 6 to look through
Yes, 4 of those posts are in a tech forum about a new gun he got.
That said, Colt, absolutely no one on the right int his debate believes women should not have the option to contraception, is not that it should be available, etc. It's: why should others pay for that elective drug? Anything obama has done will not make it "Free", it will be paid for by all of us, and that's bullshit.
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
I am sorry, what does DU mean? Anyway yes I joined this forum recently because I recently purchased an AR15. Just because my opinions are not in line with yours does not make me a troll. My post was completely civil.
Originally Posted By stevem1a:
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Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Post count = low.
Join date = recent.
Troll probability = high.
This is not DU.
I am sorry, what does DU mean? Anyway yes I joined this forum recently because I recently purchased an AR15. Just because my opinions are not in line with yours does not make me a troll. My post was completely civil.
To those interested: I took at look at his comments, after all there's only 6 to look through
Yes, 4 of those posts are in a tech forum about a new gun he got.
That said, Colt, absolutely no one on the right int his debate believes women should not have the option to contraception, is not that it should be available, etc. It's: why should others pay for that elective drug? Anything obama has done will not make it "Free", it will be paid for by all of us, and that's bullshit.
Is there something wrong with my first posts being related to my first ar15? Seems like it would be pretty common. Also what is wrong with me having low posts, at one point you had 6 posts as well.
The idea that the taxpayer would pay for this contraception is false. Obama would require health insurance providers to cover it, not the tax-payer (Not an Obama lover, just saying). Also I understand the debate of whether or not the government should be paying for health care, that is perfectly legitimate. Going on air however, and calling a person a slut and a prostitute and asking for them to post videos of them having sex online because we would somehow be paying for them to have sex is nutty.
EDIT: BTW there ARE people in this debate who feel that women should not have access to contraception, such as Rick Santorum, an INCREDIBLY popular candidate.
3/9/2012 10:17:56 PM
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Is there something wrong with my first posts being related to my first ar15? Seems like it would be pretty common. Also what is wrong with me having low posts, at one point you had 6 posts as well.
Nothing at all wrong with your posts in the tech forums. I brought them up as proof/evidence that you're probably not a DUer.
Now, explaining on behalf of the other guys here- we at ar15.com are frequently trolled by members of a forum known as "Democratic underground" a hotbed for morons. Generally speaking- these trolls often have low post counts, recent join dates, and will have a hard left ideas. Troll activity is usually high during the lead up to elections. Basically we're on a cyan alert
The idea that the taxpayer would pay for this contraception is false. Obama would require health insurance providers to cover it,
Stop right here. When the insurance company "just pays for it", where does their money come from? It's not going to be cut from "the mean old profits", those things are going to generally be constant. The dipshit politicians asking for these laws have no idea what these healthcare companies are to return to their shareholders (where applicable), nor do they have any right to tell a business owner what their take home pay should be. The idea that businesses are going to "just do the right thing" (Right thing as dictated by those not in the know or impacted by this moral grandstanding) and just cut profits to pay for these services isn't going to happen. Either way, businesses do not grow money on trees. They do not have factories that print money either .They get their money from their: customers! Now technically, these girls already are customers, money is already coming from them. Having the insurance companies "just pay for it", means that while the transaction doesn't show up on peoples bills/plans, yes, the people who send money in any form to this business are in fact footing these "free" healthcare plans. This is why premiums go up on everyone else. The money to pay for this "Free coverage" has to come from somewhere.
Further, something like this REALLY falls outside the scope of "insurance". It is not an accident, or something that just came up, it's a state mandated other customer paid for entitlement. A constant. This isn't free dude. Nothing is. Absolutely nothing is. The UK pays taxes UP THE ASS for its "Free" healthcare system.
not the tax-payer (Not an Obama lover, just saying). Also I understand the debate of whether or not the government should be paying for health care, that is perfectly legitimate. Going on air however, and calling a person a slut and a prostitute and asking for them to post videos of them having sex online because we would somehow be paying for them to have sex is nutty.
Sure is. It also turned Fluke, an activist, into a martyr for the movement.
Originally Posted By Foxnews_FTW:
To those interested: I took at look at his comments, after all there's only 6 to look through
Yes, 4 of those posts are in a tech forum about a new gun he got.
That said, Colt, absolutely no one on the right int his debate believes women should not have the option to contraception, is not that it should be available, etc. It's: why should others pay for that elective drug? Anything obama has done will not make it "Free", it will be paid for by all of us, and that's bullshit.
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
I am sorry, what does DU mean? Anyway yes I joined this forum recently because I recently purchased an AR15. Just because my opinions are not in line with yours does not make me a troll. My post was completely civil.
Originally Posted By stevem1a:
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Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Post count = low.
Join date = recent.
Troll probability = high.
This is not DU.
I am sorry, what does DU mean? Anyway yes I joined this forum recently because I recently purchased an AR15. Just because my opinions are not in line with yours does not make me a troll. My post was completely civil.
To those interested: I took at look at his comments, after all there's only 6 to look through
Yes, 4 of those posts are in a tech forum about a new gun he got.
That said, Colt, absolutely no one on the right int his debate believes women should not have the option to contraception, is not that it should be available, etc. It's: why should others pay for that elective drug? Anything obama has done will not make it "Free", it will be paid for by all of us, and that's bullshit.
Is there something wrong with my first posts being related to my first ar15? Seems like it would be pretty common. Also what is wrong with me having low posts, at one point you had 6 posts as well.
Nothing at all wrong with your posts in the tech forums. I brought them up as proof/evidence that you're probably not a DUer.
Now, explaining on behalf of the other guys here- we at ar15.com are frequently trolled by members of a forum known as "Democratic underground" a hotbed for morons. Generally speaking- these trolls often have low post counts, recent join dates, and will have a hard left ideas. Troll activity is usually high during the lead up to elections. Basically we're on a cyan alert
The idea that the taxpayer would pay for this contraception is false. Obama would require health insurance providers to cover it,
Stop right here. When the insurance company "just pays for it", where does their money come from? It's not going to be cut from "the mean old profits", those things are going to generally be constant. The dipshit politicians asking for these laws have no idea what these healthcare companies are to return to their shareholders (where applicable), nor do they have any right to tell a business owner what their take home pay should be. The idea that businesses are going to "just do the right thing" (Right thing as dictated by those not in the know or impacted by this moral grandstanding) and just cut profits to pay for these services isn't going to happen. Either way, businesses do not grow money on trees. They do not have factories that print money either .They get their money from their: customers! Now technically, these girls already are customers, money is already coming from them. Having the insurance companies "just pay for it", means that while the transaction doesn't show up on peoples bills/plans, yes, the people who send money in any form to this business are in fact footing these "free" healthcare plans. This is why premiums go up on everyone else. The money to pay for this "Free coverage" has to come from somewhere.
Further, something like this REALLY falls outside the scope of "insurance". It is not an accident, or something that just came up, it's a state mandated other customer paid for entitlement. A constant. This isn't free dude. Nothing is. Absolutely nothing is. The UK pays taxes UP THE ASS for its "Free" healthcare system.
not the tax-payer (Not an Obama lover, just saying). Also I understand the debate of whether or not the government should be paying for health care, that is perfectly legitimate. Going on air however, and calling a person a slut and a prostitute and asking for them to post videos of them having sex online because we would somehow be paying for them to have sex is nutty.
Sure is. It also turned Fluke, an activist, into a martyr for the movement.
My thoughts! I feel bad adding this now* via edit because you're probably responding
but the reason many of the posters here are mad? It's because the moment Rush said that we knew the issue died for us. It was bullshit that the media acted as if women cannot be against this issue, the right was just starting to mount a good defense - and then Rush opened his mouth. Now the left circled the wagons, and the issue was ignored yet again. The right here is absolutely sick of the distractions and media goose chases that populate the news cycle instead of what Obama wants to do.
This is why you're seeing what appears to be silence on what Rush said. What he said was stupid. Few would disagree. But the lack of vocalness on this is frankly due to "not THIS shit again" syndrome.
3/9/2012 10:37:02 PM
Taxpayer's won't pay, insurance companies will.
Obamacare?
Obamacare?
3/9/2012 10:41:23 PM
Order out of chaos.
3/9/2012 10:47:22 PM
Originally Posted By Foxnews_FTW:
My thoughts!
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Is there something wrong with my first posts being related to my first ar15? Seems like it would be pretty common. Also what is wrong with me having low posts, at one point you had 6 posts as well.
Nothing at all wrong with your posts in the tech forums. I brought them up as proof/evidence that you're probably not a DUer.
Now, explaining on behalf of the other guys here- we at ar15.com are frequently trolled by members of a forum known as "Democratic underground" a hotbed for morons. Generally speaking- these trolls often have low post counts, recent join dates, and will have a hard left ideas. Troll activity is usually high during the lead up to elections. Basically we're on a cyan alert
The idea that the taxpayer would pay for this contraception is false. Obama would require health insurance providers to cover it,
Stop right here. When the insurance company "just pays for it", where does their money come from? It's not going to be cut from "the mean old profits", those things are going to generally be constant. The dipshit politicians asking for these laws have no idea what these healthcare companies are to return to their shareholders (where applicable), nor do they have any right to tell a business owner what their take home pay should be. The idea that businesses are going to "just do the right thing" (Right thing as dictated by those not in the know or impacted by this moral grandstanding) and just cut profits to pay for these services isn't going to happen. Either way, businesses do not grow money on trees. They do not have factories that print money either .They get their money from their: customers! Now technically, these girls already are customers, money is already coming from them. Having the insurance companies "just pay for it", means that while the transaction doesn't show up on peoples bills/plans, yes, the people who send money in any form to this business are in fact footing these "free" healthcare plans. This is why premiums go up on everyone else. The money to pay for this "Free coverage" has to come from somewhere.
Further, something like this REALLY falls outside the scope of "insurance". It is not an accident, or something that just came up, it's a state mandated other customer paid for entitlement. A constant. This isn't free dude. Nothing is. Absolutely nothing is. The UK pays taxes UP THE ASS for its "Free" healthcare system.
not the tax-payer (Not an Obama lover, just saying). Also I understand the debate of whether or not the government should be paying for health care, that is perfectly legitimate. Going on air however, and calling a person a slut and a prostitute and asking for them to post videos of them having sex online because we would somehow be paying for them to have sex is nutty.
Sure is. It also turned Fluke, an activist, into a martyr for the movement. I
Originally Posted By Foxnews_FTW:
To those interested: I took at look at his comments, after all there's only 6 to look through
Yes, 4 of those posts are in a tech forum about a new gun he got.
That said, Colt, absolutely no one on the right int his debate believes women should not have the option to contraception, is not that it should be available, etc. It's: why should others pay for that elective drug? Anything obama has done will not make it "Free", it will be paid for by all of us, and that's bullshit.
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
I am sorry, what does DU mean? Anyway yes I joined this forum recently because I recently purchased an AR15. Just because my opinions are not in line with yours does not make me a troll. My post was completely civil.
Originally Posted By stevem1a:
Post count = low.
Join date = recent.
Troll probability = high.
This is not DU.
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Post count = low.
Join date = recent.
Troll probability = high.
This is not DU.
I am sorry, what does DU mean? Anyway yes I joined this forum recently because I recently purchased an AR15. Just because my opinions are not in line with yours does not make me a troll. My post was completely civil.
To those interested: I took at look at his comments, after all there's only 6 to look through
Yes, 4 of those posts are in a tech forum about a new gun he got.
That said, Colt, absolutely no one on the right int his debate believes women should not have the option to contraception, is not that it should be available, etc. It's: why should others pay for that elective drug? Anything obama has done will not make it "Free", it will be paid for by all of us, and that's bullshit.
Is there something wrong with my first posts being related to my first ar15? Seems like it would be pretty common. Also what is wrong with me having low posts, at one point you had 6 posts as well.
Nothing at all wrong with your posts in the tech forums. I brought them up as proof/evidence that you're probably not a DUer.
Now, explaining on behalf of the other guys here- we at ar15.com are frequently trolled by members of a forum known as "Democratic underground" a hotbed for morons. Generally speaking- these trolls often have low post counts, recent join dates, and will have a hard left ideas. Troll activity is usually high during the lead up to elections. Basically we're on a cyan alert
The idea that the taxpayer would pay for this contraception is false. Obama would require health insurance providers to cover it,
Stop right here. When the insurance company "just pays for it", where does their money come from? It's not going to be cut from "the mean old profits", those things are going to generally be constant. The dipshit politicians asking for these laws have no idea what these healthcare companies are to return to their shareholders (where applicable), nor do they have any right to tell a business owner what their take home pay should be. The idea that businesses are going to "just do the right thing" (Right thing as dictated by those not in the know or impacted by this moral grandstanding) and just cut profits to pay for these services isn't going to happen. Either way, businesses do not grow money on trees. They do not have factories that print money either .They get their money from their: customers! Now technically, these girls already are customers, money is already coming from them. Having the insurance companies "just pay for it", means that while the transaction doesn't show up on peoples bills/plans, yes, the people who send money in any form to this business are in fact footing these "free" healthcare plans. This is why premiums go up on everyone else. The money to pay for this "Free coverage" has to come from somewhere.
Further, something like this REALLY falls outside the scope of "insurance". It is not an accident, or something that just came up, it's a state mandated other customer paid for entitlement. A constant. This isn't free dude. Nothing is. Absolutely nothing is. The UK pays taxes UP THE ASS for its "Free" healthcare system.
not the tax-payer (Not an Obama lover, just saying). Also I understand the debate of whether or not the government should be paying for health care, that is perfectly legitimate. Going on air however, and calling a person a slut and a prostitute and asking for them to post videos of them having sex online because we would somehow be paying for them to have sex is nutty.
Sure is. It also turned Fluke, an activist, into a martyr for the movement. I
My thoughts!
Ah, DU means Daily User. I understand your position, and I was unaware of the trolling from the other forum. I have not made many posts in the other sections as I usually lurk, since I am really still learning about the ar15 platform and don't have many chances to make helpful posts. Also yes I am a progressive, progressives can believe in gun rights just as much as conservatives. I am not however an Obama fanboy as I don't really find Obama to be much of a progressive or a liberal. I can see your point now though that perhaps establishing myself in the other sections first might have been smart. Back to the discussion, there is no reason we can't keep it civil.
I realize that it is not totally free, the customer is paying for it, and I never said it was going to be totally free. You also realize that when you are a customer you are also paying for some guys viagra so that he can have sex, and I don't see conservatives getting into a tizzy about that. The difference with women's contraception is that it is medically relevant as well. Many women need contraception for medical reasons, ovarian cysts, heavy periods, etc. Not to mention contraception would be considered preventative care, as pregnancies can be dangerous, even life threatening. To say that there is no medical reason to have contraception covered is false. Also employers actually save money when their employees are not getting pregnant, especially when it is an unwanted pregnancy, so this is actually economical.
3/9/2012 11:04:18 PM
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Ah, DU means Daily User. I understand your position, and I was unaware of the trolling from the other forum. I have not made many posts in the other sections as I usually lurk, since I am really still learning about the ar15 platform and don't have many chances to make helpful posts. Also yes I am a progressive, progressives can believe in gun rights just as much as conservatives. I am not however an Obama fanboy as I don't really find Obama to be much of a progressive or a liberal. I can see your point now though that perhaps establishing myself in the other sections first might have been smart. Back to the discussion, there is no reason we can't keep it civil.
Well, they can*. In fact I'm willing to believe you're likely a younger guy that doesn't see eye to eye 100% on the social issue stances that most on this gunboard have, but do agree with a lot of the gun/national defense stuff
That said, by and large most people who self identify as liberals and progressives are not so keen on gun rights dude
Also know that by identifying yourself as such here, things may get a little warm for you at times. It's going to happen, it's kinda just how these guys roll. As someone with a low post count, don't be surprised if "troll" accusations follow you for some time, it's just a reality of the situation!
I realize that it is not totally free, the customer is paying for it, and I never said it was going to be totally free. You also realize that when you are a customer you are also paying for some guys viagra so that he can have sex, and I don't see conservatives getting into a tizzy about that. The difference with women's contraception is that it is medically relevant as well. Many women need contraception for medical reasons, ovarian cysts, heavy periods, etc. Not to mention contraception would be considered preventative care, as pregnancies can be dangerous, even life threatening. To say that there is no medical reason to have contraception covered is false. Also employers actually save money when their employees are not getting pregnant, especially when it is an unwanted pregnancy, so this is actually economical.
Again a preliminary warning, anything that sounds like the talking points of Kathleen Sebelius is chum in the water for the sharks here! I know my* sniffer went off for a second
For serious though: IMHO? The "it's going to make things cheaper" line is theoretical gobbeldygook that sounds logical to those not in the know, almost like the Obama idea of "lets inflate our tires" herpderp. By and large a huge majority of women are birth control that as an elective medication. If we really want to cut costs, there are other measures we can take. (Including allowing actual health insurance company across state lines, it will always be more effective than government mandates, but it won't win those do gooders elections so don't hold your breath.)
The viagra line is one being thrown out to try to further the "this is a man vs a woman" idea, it's false. Viagra is a medication for erectile DYSFUNCTION- not a perfectly working uterus in a girl CHOOSING to be sexually active. Do people that don't have ED get viagra? Probably so. But good look doing anything about it, old people are the most consistent voting block of any. Unfortunately we do not live in a utopia where we can just make everything right and "Fair" breh
Originally Posted By Foxnews_FTW:
My thoughts!
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Is there something wrong with my first posts being related to my first ar15? Seems like it would be pretty common. Also what is wrong with me having low posts, at one point you had 6 posts as well.
Nothing at all wrong with your posts in the tech forums. I brought them up as proof/evidence that you're probably not a DUer.
Now, explaining on behalf of the other guys here- we at ar15.com are frequently trolled by members of a forum known as "Democratic underground" a hotbed for morons. Generally speaking- these trolls often have low post counts, recent join dates, and will have a hard left ideas. Troll activity is usually high during the lead up to elections. Basically we're on a cyan alert
The idea that the taxpayer would pay for this contraception is false. Obama would require health insurance providers to cover it,
Stop right here. When the insurance company "just pays for it", where does their money come from? It's not going to be cut from "the mean old profits", those things are going to generally be constant. The dipshit politicians asking for these laws have no idea what these healthcare companies are to return to their shareholders (where applicable), nor do they have any right to tell a business owner what their take home pay should be. The idea that businesses are going to "just do the right thing" (Right thing as dictated by those not in the know or impacted by this moral grandstanding) and just cut profits to pay for these services isn't going to happen. Either way, businesses do not grow money on trees. They do not have factories that print money either .They get their money from their: customers! Now technically, these girls already are customers, money is already coming from them. Having the insurance companies "just pay for it", means that while the transaction doesn't show up on peoples bills/plans, yes, the people who send money in any form to this business are in fact footing these "free" healthcare plans. This is why premiums go up on everyone else. The money to pay for this "Free coverage" has to come from somewhere.
Further, something like this REALLY falls outside the scope of "insurance". It is not an accident, or something that just came up, it's a state mandated other customer paid for entitlement. A constant. This isn't free dude. Nothing is. Absolutely nothing is. The UK pays taxes UP THE ASS for its "Free" healthcare system.
not the tax-payer (Not an Obama lover, just saying). Also I understand the debate of whether or not the government should be paying for health care, that is perfectly legitimate. Going on air however, and calling a person a slut and a prostitute and asking for them to post videos of them having sex online because we would somehow be paying for them to have sex is nutty.
Sure is. It also turned Fluke, an activist, into a martyr for the movement. I
Originally Posted By Foxnews_FTW:
To those interested: I took at look at his comments, after all there's only 6 to look through
Yes, 4 of those posts are in a tech forum about a new gun he got.
That said, Colt, absolutely no one on the right int his debate believes women should not have the option to contraception, is not that it should be available, etc. It's: why should others pay for that elective drug? Anything obama has done will not make it "Free", it will be paid for by all of us, and that's bullshit.
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
I am sorry, what does DU mean? Anyway yes I joined this forum recently because I recently purchased an AR15. Just because my opinions are not in line with yours does not make me a troll. My post was completely civil.
Originally Posted By stevem1a:
Post count = low.
Join date = recent.
Troll probability = high.
This is not DU.
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Post count = low.
Join date = recent.
Troll probability = high.
This is not DU.
I am sorry, what does DU mean? Anyway yes I joined this forum recently because I recently purchased an AR15. Just because my opinions are not in line with yours does not make me a troll. My post was completely civil.
To those interested: I took at look at his comments, after all there's only 6 to look through
Yes, 4 of those posts are in a tech forum about a new gun he got.
That said, Colt, absolutely no one on the right int his debate believes women should not have the option to contraception, is not that it should be available, etc. It's: why should others pay for that elective drug? Anything obama has done will not make it "Free", it will be paid for by all of us, and that's bullshit.
Is there something wrong with my first posts being related to my first ar15? Seems like it would be pretty common. Also what is wrong with me having low posts, at one point you had 6 posts as well.
Nothing at all wrong with your posts in the tech forums. I brought them up as proof/evidence that you're probably not a DUer.
Now, explaining on behalf of the other guys here- we at ar15.com are frequently trolled by members of a forum known as "Democratic underground" a hotbed for morons. Generally speaking- these trolls often have low post counts, recent join dates, and will have a hard left ideas. Troll activity is usually high during the lead up to elections. Basically we're on a cyan alert
The idea that the taxpayer would pay for this contraception is false. Obama would require health insurance providers to cover it,
Stop right here. When the insurance company "just pays for it", where does their money come from? It's not going to be cut from "the mean old profits", those things are going to generally be constant. The dipshit politicians asking for these laws have no idea what these healthcare companies are to return to their shareholders (where applicable), nor do they have any right to tell a business owner what their take home pay should be. The idea that businesses are going to "just do the right thing" (Right thing as dictated by those not in the know or impacted by this moral grandstanding) and just cut profits to pay for these services isn't going to happen. Either way, businesses do not grow money on trees. They do not have factories that print money either .They get their money from their: customers! Now technically, these girls already are customers, money is already coming from them. Having the insurance companies "just pay for it", means that while the transaction doesn't show up on peoples bills/plans, yes, the people who send money in any form to this business are in fact footing these "free" healthcare plans. This is why premiums go up on everyone else. The money to pay for this "Free coverage" has to come from somewhere.
Further, something like this REALLY falls outside the scope of "insurance". It is not an accident, or something that just came up, it's a state mandated other customer paid for entitlement. A constant. This isn't free dude. Nothing is. Absolutely nothing is. The UK pays taxes UP THE ASS for its "Free" healthcare system.
not the tax-payer (Not an Obama lover, just saying). Also I understand the debate of whether or not the government should be paying for health care, that is perfectly legitimate. Going on air however, and calling a person a slut and a prostitute and asking for them to post videos of them having sex online because we would somehow be paying for them to have sex is nutty.
Sure is. It also turned Fluke, an activist, into a martyr for the movement. I
My thoughts!
Ah, DU means Daily User. I understand your position, and I was unaware of the trolling from the other forum. I have not made many posts in the other sections as I usually lurk, since I am really still learning about the ar15 platform and don't have many chances to make helpful posts. Also yes I am a progressive, progressives can believe in gun rights just as much as conservatives. I am not however an Obama fanboy as I don't really find Obama to be much of a progressive or a liberal. I can see your point now though that perhaps establishing myself in the other sections first might have been smart. Back to the discussion, there is no reason we can't keep it civil.
Well, they can*. In fact I'm willing to believe you're likely a younger guy that doesn't see eye to eye 100% on the social issue stances that most on this gunboard have, but do agree with a lot of the gun/national defense stuff
That said, by and large most people who self identify as liberals and progressives are not so keen on gun rights dude
Also know that by identifying yourself as such here, things may get a little warm for you at times. It's going to happen, it's kinda just how these guys roll. As someone with a low post count, don't be surprised if "troll" accusations follow you for some time, it's just a reality of the situation!
I realize that it is not totally free, the customer is paying for it, and I never said it was going to be totally free. You also realize that when you are a customer you are also paying for some guys viagra so that he can have sex, and I don't see conservatives getting into a tizzy about that. The difference with women's contraception is that it is medically relevant as well. Many women need contraception for medical reasons, ovarian cysts, heavy periods, etc. Not to mention contraception would be considered preventative care, as pregnancies can be dangerous, even life threatening. To say that there is no medical reason to have contraception covered is false. Also employers actually save money when their employees are not getting pregnant, especially when it is an unwanted pregnancy, so this is actually economical.
Again a preliminary warning, anything that sounds like the talking points of Kathleen Sebelius is chum in the water for the sharks here! I know my* sniffer went off for a second
For serious though: IMHO? The "it's going to make things cheaper" line is theoretical gobbeldygook that sounds logical to those not in the know, almost like the Obama idea of "lets inflate our tires" herpderp. By and large a huge majority of women are birth control that as an elective medication. If we really want to cut costs, there are other measures we can take. (Including allowing actual health insurance company across state lines, it will always be more effective than government mandates, but it won't win those do gooders elections so don't hold your breath.)
The viagra line is one being thrown out to try to further the "this is a man vs a woman" idea, it's false. Viagra is a medication for erectile DYSFUNCTION- not a perfectly working uterus in a girl CHOOSING to be sexually active. Do people that don't have ED get viagra? Probably so. But good look doing anything about it, old people are the most consistent voting block of any. Unfortunately we do not live in a utopia where we can just make everything right and "Fair" breh
3/9/2012 11:16:36 PM
Originally Posted By Foxnews_FTW:
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Ah, DU means Daily User. I understand your position, and I was unaware of the trolling from the other forum. I have not made many posts in the other sections as I usually lurk, since I am really still learning about the ar15 platform and don't have many chances to make helpful posts. Also yes I am a progressive, progressives can believe in gun rights just as much as conservatives. I am not however an Obama fanboy as I don't really find Obama to be much of a progressive or a liberal. I can see your point now though that perhaps establishing myself in the other sections first might have been smart. Back to the discussion, there is no reason we can't keep it civil.
Well, they can*. In fact I'm willing to believe you're likely a younger guy that doesn't see eye to eye 100% on the social issue stances that most on this gunboard have, but do agree with a lot of the gun/national defense stuff
That said, by and large most people who self identify as liberals and progressives are not so keen on gun rights dude
Also know that by identifying yourself as such here, things may get a little warm for you at times. It's going to happen, it's kinda just how these guys roll. As someone with a low post count, don't be surprised if "troll" accusations follow you for some time, it's just a reality of the situation!
I realize that it is not totally free, the customer is paying for it, and I never said it was going to be totally free. You also realize that when you are a customer you are also paying for some guys viagra so that he can have sex, and I don't see conservatives getting into a tizzy about that. The difference with women's contraception is that it is medically relevant as well. Many women need contraception for medical reasons, ovarian cysts, heavy periods, etc. Not to mention contraception would be considered preventative care, as pregnancies can be dangerous, even life threatening. To say that there is no medical reason to have contraception covered is false. Also employers actually save money when their employees are not getting pregnant, especially when it is an unwanted pregnancy, so this is actually economical.
Again a preliminary warning, anything that sounds like the talking points of Kathleen Sebelius is chum in the water for the sharks here! I know my* sniffer went off for a second
For serious though: IMHO? The "it's going to make things cheaper" line is theoretical gobbeldygook that sounds logical to those not in the know, almost like the Obama idea of "lets inflate our tires" herpderp. By and large a huge majority of women are birth control that as an elective medication. If we really want to cut costs, there are other measures we can take. (Including allowing actual health insurance company across state lines, it will always be more effective than government mandates, but it won't win those do gooders elections so don't hold your breath.)
The viagra line is one being thrown out to try to further the "this is a man vs a woman" idea, it's false. Viagra is a medication for erectile DYSFUNCTION- not a perfectly working uterus in a girl CHOOSING to be sexually active. Do people that don't have ED get viagra? Probably so. But good look doing anything about it, old people are the most consistent voting block of any. Unfortunately we do not live in a utopia where we can just make everything right and "Fair" breh
Originally Posted By Foxnews_FTW:
My thoughts!
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Is there something wrong with my first posts being related to my first ar15? Seems like it would be pretty common. Also what is wrong with me having low posts, at one point you had 6 posts as well.
Nothing at all wrong with your posts in the tech forums. I brought them up as proof/evidence that you're probably not a DUer.
Now, explaining on behalf of the other guys here- we at ar15.com are frequently trolled by members of a forum known as "Democratic underground" a hotbed for morons. Generally speaking- these trolls often have low post counts, recent join dates, and will have a hard left ideas. Troll activity is usually high during the lead up to elections. Basically we're on a cyan alert
The idea that the taxpayer would pay for this contraception is false. Obama would require health insurance providers to cover it,
Stop right here. When the insurance company "just pays for it", where does their money come from? It's not going to be cut from "the mean old profits", those things are going to generally be constant. The dipshit politicians asking for these laws have no idea what these healthcare companies are to return to their shareholders (where applicable), nor do they have any right to tell a business owner what their take home pay should be. The idea that businesses are going to "just do the right thing" (Right thing as dictated by those not in the know or impacted by this moral grandstanding) and just cut profits to pay for these services isn't going to happen. Either way, businesses do not grow money on trees. They do not have factories that print money either .They get their money from their: customers! Now technically, these girls already are customers, money is already coming from them. Having the insurance companies "just pay for it", means that while the transaction doesn't show up on peoples bills/plans, yes, the people who send money in any form to this business are in fact footing these "free" healthcare plans. This is why premiums go up on everyone else. The money to pay for this "Free coverage" has to come from somewhere.
Further, something like this REALLY falls outside the scope of "insurance". It is not an accident, or something that just came up, it's a state mandated other customer paid for entitlement. A constant. This isn't free dude. Nothing is. Absolutely nothing is. The UK pays taxes UP THE ASS for its "Free" healthcare system.
not the tax-payer (Not an Obama lover, just saying). Also I understand the debate of whether or not the government should be paying for health care, that is perfectly legitimate. Going on air however, and calling a person a slut and a prostitute and asking for them to post videos of them having sex online because we would somehow be paying for them to have sex is nutty.
Sure is. It also turned Fluke, an activist, into a martyr for the movement. I
Originally Posted By Foxnews_FTW:
To those interested: I took at look at his comments, after all there's only 6 to look through
Yes, 4 of those posts are in a tech forum about a new gun he got.
That said, Colt, absolutely no one on the right int his debate believes women should not have the option to contraception, is not that it should be available, etc. It's: why should others pay for that elective drug? Anything obama has done will not make it "Free", it will be paid for by all of us, and that's bullshit.
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
I am sorry, what does DU mean? Anyway yes I joined this forum recently because I recently purchased an AR15. Just because my opinions are not in line with yours does not make me a troll. My post was completely civil.
Originally Posted By stevem1a:
Post count = low.
Join date = recent.
Troll probability = high.
This is not DU.
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Post count = low.
Join date = recent.
Troll probability = high.
This is not DU.
I am sorry, what does DU mean? Anyway yes I joined this forum recently because I recently purchased an AR15. Just because my opinions are not in line with yours does not make me a troll. My post was completely civil.
To those interested: I took at look at his comments, after all there's only 6 to look through
Yes, 4 of those posts are in a tech forum about a new gun he got.
That said, Colt, absolutely no one on the right int his debate believes women should not have the option to contraception, is not that it should be available, etc. It's: why should others pay for that elective drug? Anything obama has done will not make it "Free", it will be paid for by all of us, and that's bullshit.
Is there something wrong with my first posts being related to my first ar15? Seems like it would be pretty common. Also what is wrong with me having low posts, at one point you had 6 posts as well.
Nothing at all wrong with your posts in the tech forums. I brought them up as proof/evidence that you're probably not a DUer.
Now, explaining on behalf of the other guys here- we at ar15.com are frequently trolled by members of a forum known as "Democratic underground" a hotbed for morons. Generally speaking- these trolls often have low post counts, recent join dates, and will have a hard left ideas. Troll activity is usually high during the lead up to elections. Basically we're on a cyan alert
The idea that the taxpayer would pay for this contraception is false. Obama would require health insurance providers to cover it,
Stop right here. When the insurance company "just pays for it", where does their money come from? It's not going to be cut from "the mean old profits", those things are going to generally be constant. The dipshit politicians asking for these laws have no idea what these healthcare companies are to return to their shareholders (where applicable), nor do they have any right to tell a business owner what their take home pay should be. The idea that businesses are going to "just do the right thing" (Right thing as dictated by those not in the know or impacted by this moral grandstanding) and just cut profits to pay for these services isn't going to happen. Either way, businesses do not grow money on trees. They do not have factories that print money either .They get their money from their: customers! Now technically, these girls already are customers, money is already coming from them. Having the insurance companies "just pay for it", means that while the transaction doesn't show up on peoples bills/plans, yes, the people who send money in any form to this business are in fact footing these "free" healthcare plans. This is why premiums go up on everyone else. The money to pay for this "Free coverage" has to come from somewhere.
Further, something like this REALLY falls outside the scope of "insurance". It is not an accident, or something that just came up, it's a state mandated other customer paid for entitlement. A constant. This isn't free dude. Nothing is. Absolutely nothing is. The UK pays taxes UP THE ASS for its "Free" healthcare system.
not the tax-payer (Not an Obama lover, just saying). Also I understand the debate of whether or not the government should be paying for health care, that is perfectly legitimate. Going on air however, and calling a person a slut and a prostitute and asking for them to post videos of them having sex online because we would somehow be paying for them to have sex is nutty.
Sure is. It also turned Fluke, an activist, into a martyr for the movement. I
My thoughts!
Ah, DU means Daily User. I understand your position, and I was unaware of the trolling from the other forum. I have not made many posts in the other sections as I usually lurk, since I am really still learning about the ar15 platform and don't have many chances to make helpful posts. Also yes I am a progressive, progressives can believe in gun rights just as much as conservatives. I am not however an Obama fanboy as I don't really find Obama to be much of a progressive or a liberal. I can see your point now though that perhaps establishing myself in the other sections first might have been smart. Back to the discussion, there is no reason we can't keep it civil.
Well, they can*. In fact I'm willing to believe you're likely a younger guy that doesn't see eye to eye 100% on the social issue stances that most on this gunboard have, but do agree with a lot of the gun/national defense stuff
That said, by and large most people who self identify as liberals and progressives are not so keen on gun rights dude
Also know that by identifying yourself as such here, things may get a little warm for you at times. It's going to happen, it's kinda just how these guys roll. As someone with a low post count, don't be surprised if "troll" accusations follow you for some time, it's just a reality of the situation!
I realize that it is not totally free, the customer is paying for it, and I never said it was going to be totally free. You also realize that when you are a customer you are also paying for some guys viagra so that he can have sex, and I don't see conservatives getting into a tizzy about that. The difference with women's contraception is that it is medically relevant as well. Many women need contraception for medical reasons, ovarian cysts, heavy periods, etc. Not to mention contraception would be considered preventative care, as pregnancies can be dangerous, even life threatening. To say that there is no medical reason to have contraception covered is false. Also employers actually save money when their employees are not getting pregnant, especially when it is an unwanted pregnancy, so this is actually economical.
Again a preliminary warning, anything that sounds like the talking points of Kathleen Sebelius is chum in the water for the sharks here! I know my* sniffer went off for a second
For serious though: IMHO? The "it's going to make things cheaper" line is theoretical gobbeldygook that sounds logical to those not in the know, almost like the Obama idea of "lets inflate our tires" herpderp. By and large a huge majority of women are birth control that as an elective medication. If we really want to cut costs, there are other measures we can take. (Including allowing actual health insurance company across state lines, it will always be more effective than government mandates, but it won't win those do gooders elections so don't hold your breath.)
The viagra line is one being thrown out to try to further the "this is a man vs a woman" idea, it's false. Viagra is a medication for erectile DYSFUNCTION- not a perfectly working uterus in a girl CHOOSING to be sexually active. Do people that don't have ED get viagra? Probably so. But good look doing anything about it, old people are the most consistent voting block of any. Unfortunately we do not live in a utopia where we can just make everything right and "Fair" breh
Thank you for the polite response, and yes trust me being a progressive gun-owner who believes in the second amendment sucks. I don't plan on spending anymore time in the political sections for a while, and did not realize this would get such a rise. I really didn't think my original comment was so off the wall.
Yeah the it will be cheaper thing was just to throw out the point that it would decrease unwanted pregnancy which is a financial burden on companies. Whether or not it would actually be cheaper would depend on a ton of factors, just making a point. Again on the viagra thing, you say contraception shouldn't be covered because they can choose to not have sex but so can a man! Viagra is not medically necessary for a man with ED. A man with ED could CHOOSE to not be sexually active and thus would not need viagra. It is the same, except for the fact that many women do need contraception as they cannot CHOOSE to not have medical problems such as ovarian cysts.
3/9/2012 11:31:31 PM
1 Viagra $10 (not covered by most ins.)
Birth control pills (1 month) $6 at Walmart
Obama Koolaide $ priceless
Birth control pills (1 month) $6 at Walmart
Obama Koolaide $ priceless
3/10/2012 12:18:39 AM
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Thank you for the polite response, and yes trust me being a progressive gun-owner who believes in the second amendment sucks. I don't plan on spending anymore time in the political sections for a while, and did not realize this would get such a rise. I really didn't think my original comment was so off the wall.
Yeah the it will be cheaper thing was just to throw out the point that it would decrease unwanted pregnancy which is a financial burden on companies. Whether or not it would actually be cheaper would depend on a ton of factors, just making a point. Again on the viagra thing, you say contraception shouldn't be covered because they can choose to not have sex but so can a man! Viagra is not medically necessary for a man with ED. A man with ED could CHOOSE to not be sexually active and thus would not need viagra. It is the same, except for the fact that many women do need contraception as they cannot CHOOSE to not have medical problems such as ovarian cysts.
Originally Posted By Foxnews_FTW:
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Ah, DU means Daily User. I understand your position, and I was unaware of the trolling from the other forum. I have not made many posts in the other sections as I usually lurk, since I am really still learning about the ar15 platform and don't have many chances to make helpful posts. Also yes I am a progressive, progressives can believe in gun rights just as much as conservatives. I am not however an Obama fanboy as I don't really find Obama to be much of a progressive or a liberal. I can see your point now though that perhaps establishing myself in the other sections first might have been smart. Back to the discussion, there is no reason we can't keep it civil.
Well, they can*. In fact I'm willing to believe you're likely a younger guy that doesn't see eye to eye 100% on the social issue stances that most on this gunboard have, but do agree with a lot of the gun/national defense stuff
That said, by and large most people who self identify as liberals and progressives are not so keen on gun rights dude
Also know that by identifying yourself as such here, things may get a little warm for you at times. It's going to happen, it's kinda just how these guys roll. As someone with a low post count, don't be surprised if "troll" accusations follow you for some time, it's just a reality of the situation!
I realize that it is not totally free, the customer is paying for it, and I never said it was going to be totally free. You also realize that when you are a customer you are also paying for some guys viagra so that he can have sex, and I don't see conservatives getting into a tizzy about that. The difference with women's contraception is that it is medically relevant as well. Many women need contraception for medical reasons, ovarian cysts, heavy periods, etc. Not to mention contraception would be considered preventative care, as pregnancies can be dangerous, even life threatening. To say that there is no medical reason to have contraception covered is false. Also employers actually save money when their employees are not getting pregnant, especially when it is an unwanted pregnancy, so this is actually economical.
Again a preliminary warning, anything that sounds like the talking points of Kathleen Sebelius is chum in the water for the sharks here! I know my* sniffer went off for a second
For serious though: IMHO? The "it's going to make things cheaper" line is theoretical gobbeldygook that sounds logical to those not in the know, almost like the Obama idea of "lets inflate our tires" herpderp. By and large a huge majority of women are birth control that as an elective medication. If we really want to cut costs, there are other measures we can take. (Including allowing actual health insurance company across state lines, it will always be more effective than government mandates, but it won't win those do gooders elections so don't hold your breath.)
The viagra line is one being thrown out to try to further the "this is a man vs a woman" idea, it's false. Viagra is a medication for erectile DYSFUNCTION- not a perfectly working uterus in a girl CHOOSING to be sexually active. Do people that don't have ED get viagra? Probably so. But good look doing anything about it, old people are the most consistent voting block of any. Unfortunately we do not live in a utopia where we can just make everything right and "Fair" breh
Originally Posted By Foxnews_FTW:
My thoughts!
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Is there something wrong with my first posts being related to my first ar15? Seems like it would be pretty common. Also what is wrong with me having low posts, at one point you had 6 posts as well.
Nothing at all wrong with your posts in the tech forums. I brought them up as proof/evidence that you're probably not a DUer.
Now, explaining on behalf of the other guys here- we at ar15.com are frequently trolled by members of a forum known as "Democratic underground" a hotbed for morons. Generally speaking- these trolls often have low post counts, recent join dates, and will have a hard left ideas. Troll activity is usually high during the lead up to elections. Basically we're on a cyan alert
The idea that the taxpayer would pay for this contraception is false. Obama would require health insurance providers to cover it,
Stop right here. When the insurance company "just pays for it", where does their money come from? It's not going to be cut from "the mean old profits", those things are going to generally be constant. The dipshit politicians asking for these laws have no idea what these healthcare companies are to return to their shareholders (where applicable), nor do they have any right to tell a business owner what their take home pay should be. The idea that businesses are going to "just do the right thing" (Right thing as dictated by those not in the know or impacted by this moral grandstanding) and just cut profits to pay for these services isn't going to happen. Either way, businesses do not grow money on trees. They do not have factories that print money either .They get their money from their: customers! Now technically, these girls already are customers, money is already coming from them. Having the insurance companies "just pay for it", means that while the transaction doesn't show up on peoples bills/plans, yes, the people who send money in any form to this business are in fact footing these "free" healthcare plans. This is why premiums go up on everyone else. The money to pay for this "Free coverage" has to come from somewhere.
Further, something like this REALLY falls outside the scope of "insurance". It is not an accident, or something that just came up, it's a state mandated other customer paid for entitlement. A constant. This isn't free dude. Nothing is. Absolutely nothing is. The UK pays taxes UP THE ASS for its "Free" healthcare system.
not the tax-payer (Not an Obama lover, just saying). Also I understand the debate of whether or not the government should be paying for health care, that is perfectly legitimate. Going on air however, and calling a person a slut and a prostitute and asking for them to post videos of them having sex online because we would somehow be paying for them to have sex is nutty.
Sure is. It also turned Fluke, an activist, into a martyr for the movement. I
Originally Posted By Foxnews_FTW:
To those interested: I took at look at his comments, after all there's only 6 to look through
Yes, 4 of those posts are in a tech forum about a new gun he got.
That said, Colt, absolutely no one on the right int his debate believes women should not have the option to contraception, is not that it should be available, etc. It's: why should others pay for that elective drug? Anything obama has done will not make it "Free", it will be paid for by all of us, and that's bullshit.
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
I am sorry, what does DU mean? Anyway yes I joined this forum recently because I recently purchased an AR15. Just because my opinions are not in line with yours does not make me a troll. My post was completely civil.
Originally Posted By stevem1a:
Post count = low.
Join date = recent.
Troll probability = high.
This is not DU.
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
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I am sorry, what does DU mean? Anyway yes I joined this forum recently because I recently purchased an AR15. Just because my opinions are not in line with yours does not make me a troll. My post was completely civil.
To those interested: I took at look at his comments, after all there's only 6 to look through
Yes, 4 of those posts are in a tech forum about a new gun he got.
That said, Colt, absolutely no one on the right int his debate believes women should not have the option to contraception, is not that it should be available, etc. It's: why should others pay for that elective drug? Anything obama has done will not make it "Free", it will be paid for by all of us, and that's bullshit.
Is there something wrong with my first posts being related to my first ar15? Seems like it would be pretty common. Also what is wrong with me having low posts, at one point you had 6 posts as well.
Nothing at all wrong with your posts in the tech forums. I brought them up as proof/evidence that you're probably not a DUer.
Now, explaining on behalf of the other guys here- we at ar15.com are frequently trolled by members of a forum known as "Democratic underground" a hotbed for morons. Generally speaking- these trolls often have low post counts, recent join dates, and will have a hard left ideas. Troll activity is usually high during the lead up to elections. Basically we're on a cyan alert
The idea that the taxpayer would pay for this contraception is false. Obama would require health insurance providers to cover it,
Stop right here. When the insurance company "just pays for it", where does their money come from? It's not going to be cut from "the mean old profits", those things are going to generally be constant. The dipshit politicians asking for these laws have no idea what these healthcare companies are to return to their shareholders (where applicable), nor do they have any right to tell a business owner what their take home pay should be. The idea that businesses are going to "just do the right thing" (Right thing as dictated by those not in the know or impacted by this moral grandstanding) and just cut profits to pay for these services isn't going to happen. Either way, businesses do not grow money on trees. They do not have factories that print money either .They get their money from their: customers! Now technically, these girls already are customers, money is already coming from them. Having the insurance companies "just pay for it", means that while the transaction doesn't show up on peoples bills/plans, yes, the people who send money in any form to this business are in fact footing these "free" healthcare plans. This is why premiums go up on everyone else. The money to pay for this "Free coverage" has to come from somewhere.
Further, something like this REALLY falls outside the scope of "insurance". It is not an accident, or something that just came up, it's a state mandated other customer paid for entitlement. A constant. This isn't free dude. Nothing is. Absolutely nothing is. The UK pays taxes UP THE ASS for its "Free" healthcare system.
not the tax-payer (Not an Obama lover, just saying). Also I understand the debate of whether or not the government should be paying for health care, that is perfectly legitimate. Going on air however, and calling a person a slut and a prostitute and asking for them to post videos of them having sex online because we would somehow be paying for them to have sex is nutty.
Sure is. It also turned Fluke, an activist, into a martyr for the movement. I
My thoughts!
Ah, DU means Daily User. I understand your position, and I was unaware of the trolling from the other forum. I have not made many posts in the other sections as I usually lurk, since I am really still learning about the ar15 platform and don't have many chances to make helpful posts. Also yes I am a progressive, progressives can believe in gun rights just as much as conservatives. I am not however an Obama fanboy as I don't really find Obama to be much of a progressive or a liberal. I can see your point now though that perhaps establishing myself in the other sections first might have been smart. Back to the discussion, there is no reason we can't keep it civil.
Well, they can*. In fact I'm willing to believe you're likely a younger guy that doesn't see eye to eye 100% on the social issue stances that most on this gunboard have, but do agree with a lot of the gun/national defense stuff
That said, by and large most people who self identify as liberals and progressives are not so keen on gun rights dude
Also know that by identifying yourself as such here, things may get a little warm for you at times. It's going to happen, it's kinda just how these guys roll. As someone with a low post count, don't be surprised if "troll" accusations follow you for some time, it's just a reality of the situation!
I realize that it is not totally free, the customer is paying for it, and I never said it was going to be totally free. You also realize that when you are a customer you are also paying for some guys viagra so that he can have sex, and I don't see conservatives getting into a tizzy about that. The difference with women's contraception is that it is medically relevant as well. Many women need contraception for medical reasons, ovarian cysts, heavy periods, etc. Not to mention contraception would be considered preventative care, as pregnancies can be dangerous, even life threatening. To say that there is no medical reason to have contraception covered is false. Also employers actually save money when their employees are not getting pregnant, especially when it is an unwanted pregnancy, so this is actually economical.
Again a preliminary warning, anything that sounds like the talking points of Kathleen Sebelius is chum in the water for the sharks here! I know my* sniffer went off for a second
For serious though: IMHO? The "it's going to make things cheaper" line is theoretical gobbeldygook that sounds logical to those not in the know, almost like the Obama idea of "lets inflate our tires" herpderp. By and large a huge majority of women are birth control that as an elective medication. If we really want to cut costs, there are other measures we can take. (Including allowing actual health insurance company across state lines, it will always be more effective than government mandates, but it won't win those do gooders elections so don't hold your breath.)
The viagra line is one being thrown out to try to further the "this is a man vs a woman" idea, it's false. Viagra is a medication for erectile DYSFUNCTION- not a perfectly working uterus in a girl CHOOSING to be sexually active. Do people that don't have ED get viagra? Probably so. But good look doing anything about it, old people are the most consistent voting block of any. Unfortunately we do not live in a utopia where we can just make everything right and "Fair" breh
Thank you for the polite response, and yes trust me being a progressive gun-owner who believes in the second amendment sucks. I don't plan on spending anymore time in the political sections for a while, and did not realize this would get such a rise. I really didn't think my original comment was so off the wall.
Yeah the it will be cheaper thing was just to throw out the point that it would decrease unwanted pregnancy which is a financial burden on companies. Whether or not it would actually be cheaper would depend on a ton of factors, just making a point. Again on the viagra thing, you say contraception shouldn't be covered because they can choose to not have sex but so can a man! Viagra is not medically necessary for a man with ED. A man with ED could CHOOSE to not be sexually active and thus would not need viagra. It is the same, except for the fact that many women do need contraception as they cannot CHOOSE to not have medical problems such as ovarian cysts.
It's no problem
Something told me it was a misunderstanding. You're new here! You couldn't have known 
On the issues and GD: it is what it is right? In your shoes what I'd do? In the general discussion areas, pick your battles! The more hot button the issue is, it's a choppy sea- consider not sailing, or sailing carefully. Many here "see things differently", and that's no problem... but if the scent of "media matters" or obama's talking points or something approaching an entitlement attitude is present, the sharks will circle!
On The Viagra deal- that's kinda the point I was making with the old-people-vote deal. Right or wrong, the electorate won't bite. The fact of the matter is that the government has ruled that viagra is a *medication* for a disorder
Not quite th deal with birth control. That said the ovarian cyst cases- that could be seen as a medical issue.3/10/2012 1:33:34 PM
Originally Posted By stevem1a:
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Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
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3/10/2012 2:06:50 PM
THIS ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT CONTRACEPTION! IT IS ABOUT RELIGIOUS FREEDOM (THE GOVT FORCING RELIGIOUS GROUPS TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS).
Yes, I'm yelling because no one is debating banning contraception just trying to obfuscate the real issue. The liberals/progressive are parading out their usual list of plants who claim to be a (insert victim of the day) and the media gobbles it up like Barney Frank on a cock.
Yes, I'm yelling because no one is debating banning contraception just trying to obfuscate the real issue. The liberals/progressive are parading out their usual list of plants who claim to be a (insert victim of the day) and the media gobbles it up like Barney Frank on a cock.
3/11/2012 10:07:28 AM
THIS ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT CONTRACEPTION! IT IS ABOUT RELIGIOUS FREEDOM (THE GOVT FORCING RELIGIOUS GROUPS TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS).
Bingo!. See how easy the issue gets deflected? This is how the left works. Turn the issue into something it is not and then vilifies their opponent. Since when was contraception hard to get? This is all smoke and mirrors and many of you have taken it all, hook line and sinker.
3/11/2012 10:10:41 AM
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Pish posh, nothing prevents women from buying the contraceptives they want or need. It is not expensive and honestly, the best contraceptive is FREE as long as they use the grey matter between their ears and quit giving out milk for free.
And "progressive" = Liberal, no sense trying to hide what you really are.
3/11/2012 12:04:48 PM
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Pish posh, nothing prevents women from buying the contraceptives they want or need. It is not expensive and honestly, the best contraceptive is FREE as long as they use the grey matter between their ears and quit giving out milk for free.
And "progressive" = Liberal, no sense trying to hide what you really are.
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Pish posh, nothing prevents women from buying the contraceptives they want or need. It is not expensive and honestly, the best contraceptive is FREE as long as they use the grey matter between their ears and quit giving out milk for free.
And "progressive" = Liberal, no sense trying to hide what you really are.
+1
3/11/2012 12:06:38 PM
Originally Posted By gunnut284:
THIS ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT CONTRACEPTION! IT IS ABOUT RELIGIOUS FREEDOM (THE GOVT FORCING RELIGIOUS GROUPS TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS).
Yes, I'm yelling because no one is debating banning contraception just trying to obfuscate the real issue. The liberals/progressive are parading out their usual list of plants who claim to be a (insert victim of the day) and the media gobbles it up like Barney Frank on a cock.
THIS ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT CONTRACEPTION! IT IS ABOUT RELIGIOUS FREEDOM (THE GOVT FORCING RELIGIOUS GROUPS TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS).
Yes, I'm yelling because no one is debating banning contraception just trying to obfuscate the real issue. The liberals/progressive are parading out their usual list of plants who claim to be a (insert victim of the day) and the media gobbles it up like Barney Frank on a cock.
THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
3/11/2012 8:15:23 PM
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Totally agree. What Limbaugh said was indeed vile and has no place in our public discourse (and before anyone goes off, Bill Maher, that Ed guy on MSNBC, and others who engage in this should be lambasted as well). All I know is if Limbaugh had said that about one of my daughters, he'd be fishing his teeth out from halfway down his throat.
3/11/2012 8:40:24 PM
Originally Posted By Boneyard1981:
Totally agree. What Limbaugh said was indeed vile and has no place in our public discourse (and before anyone goes off, Bill Maher, that Ed guy on MSNBC, and others who engage in this should be lambasted as well). All I know is if Limbaugh had said that about one of my daughters, he'd be fishing his teeth out from halfway down his throat.
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Totally agree. What Limbaugh said was indeed vile and has no place in our public discourse (and before anyone goes off, Bill Maher, that Ed guy on MSNBC, and others who engage in this should be lambasted as well). All I know is if Limbaugh had said that about one of my daughters, he'd be fishing his teeth out from halfway down his throat.
What he said was hilarious and in keeping with his "illustrating absurdity by being absurd" montra.
3/11/2012 8:52:04 PM
Originally Posted By Boneyard1981:
Totally agree. What Limbaugh said was indeed vile and has no place in our public discourse (and before anyone goes off, Bill Maher, that Ed guy on MSNBC, and others who engage in this should be lambasted as well). All I know is if Limbaugh had said that about one of my daughters, he'd be fishing his teeth out from halfway down his throat.
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Totally agree. What Limbaugh said was indeed vile and has no place in our public discourse (and before anyone goes off, Bill Maher, that Ed guy on MSNBC, and others who engage in this should be lambasted as well). All I know is if Limbaugh had said that about one of my daughters, he'd be fishing his teeth out from halfway down his throat.
The point went right over your head didn't it
Any woman that puts herself in the national spotlight demanding that others pay for her fuck medicine deserve every comment they get directed their way
3/11/2012 11:54:19 PM
Originally Posted By FMJ3:
The point went right over your head didn't it
Any woman that puts herself in the national spotlight demanding that others pay for her fuck medicine deserve every comment they get directed their way
Originally Posted By Boneyard1981:
Totally agree. What Limbaugh said was indeed vile and has no place in our public discourse (and before anyone goes off, Bill Maher, that Ed guy on MSNBC, and others who engage in this should be lambasted as well). All I know is if Limbaugh had said that about one of my daughters, he'd be fishing his teeth out from halfway down his throat.
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Totally agree. What Limbaugh said was indeed vile and has no place in our public discourse (and before anyone goes off, Bill Maher, that Ed guy on MSNBC, and others who engage in this should be lambasted as well). All I know is if Limbaugh had said that about one of my daughters, he'd be fishing his teeth out from halfway down his throat.
The point went right over your head didn't it
Any woman that puts herself in the national spotlight demanding that others pay for her fuck medicine deserve every comment they get directed their way
Couldn't agree with you any more. Just a little up date on this bimbo, she works for or is associated with a company headed by Anita Dunn. This information given out by Bill O'Reily. Anita Dunn isn't that the Mao lover ? By the way don't you love the way things turned out for at least 2 of Rush's old sponsors. One their stock went to hell the other tried to come back to Rush. Rush told them where to go.
3/12/2012 4:50:58 AM
Originally Posted By Boneyard1981:
Totally agree. What Limbaugh said was indeed vile and has no place in our public discourse (and before anyone goes off, Bill Maher, that Ed guy on MSNBC, and others who engage in this should be lambasted as well). All I know is if Limbaugh had said that about one of my daughters, he'd be fishing his teeth out from halfway down his throat.
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Totally agree. What Limbaugh said was indeed vile and has no place in our public discourse (and before anyone goes off, Bill Maher, that Ed guy on MSNBC, and others who engage in this should be lambasted as well). All I know is if Limbaugh had said that about one of my daughters, he'd be fishing his teeth out from halfway down his throat.
We are in a war with the left, the left understand this and is willing to fight like we are in a war. The people on my side because of a since of self righteousness decide to unilaterally not fight.
3/12/2012 1:46:59 PM
Originally Posted By Boneyard1981:
Totally agree. What Limbaugh said was indeed vile and has no place in our public discourse (and before anyone goes off, Bill Maher, that Ed guy on MSNBC, and others who engage in this should be lambasted as well). All I know is if Limbaugh had said that about one of my daughters, he'd be fishing his teeth out from halfway down his throat.
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Totally agree. What Limbaugh said was indeed vile and has no place in our public discourse (and before anyone goes off, Bill Maher, that Ed guy on MSNBC, and others who engage in this should be lambasted as well). All I know is if Limbaugh had said that about one of my daughters, he'd be fishing his teeth out from halfway down his throat.
Both of you are swallowing the leftist's talking points without thinking of the CRUCIAL ISSUE (hint: it has nothing to do with contraception).
The entire argument was a propaganda campaign by Nancy Pelosi, who devised a calculated obfuscation and misdirection of the ACTUAL ISSUE: Can government mandate religious organizations to violate their core beliefs?
This Constitutional issue was then turned by the leftists into a false "war on women".
There are no Federal laws restricting women from using contraception, and it is easily and cheaply obtained by those who wish to use it. In many cases, it is free. But it is a violation of our Constitution and of the First Amendment to mandate that the Catholic church, OR ANYONE ELSE for that matter, be forced to pay for contraceptives and abortifacients.
If you work for a Catholic church, hospital or charitable organization, and are upset that they won't cover the cost of your abortion, then too fucking bad. Go find a new job working for someone else. On your way, stop into a Kosher restaurant and demand that they serve you pork chops.
Sandra Fluke IS a slut, and I don't want to subsidize her recreational sex. There, I said it.
Now to address your "talking point"... if someone said that about my daughter, then yes, I'd pound him into the ground. But if someone tried to take away that person's right to speak his mind, he'd get much worse than a simple beating.
There is no "war on women", except in the minds of those who believe what their Government Rulers tell them.
3/12/2012 5:25:57 PM
Originally Posted By BikerNut:
Both of you are swallowing the leftist's talking points without thinking of the CRUCIAL ISSUE (hint: it has nothing to do with contraception).
The entire argument was a propaganda campaign by Nancy Pelosi, who devised a calculated obfuscation and misdirection of the ACTUAL ISSUE: Can government mandate religious organizations to violate their core beliefs?
This Constitutional issue was then turned by the leftists into a false "war on women".
There are no Federal laws restricting women from using contraception, and it is easily and cheaply obtained by those who wish to use it. In many cases, it is free. But it is a violation of our Constitution and of the First Amendment to mandate that the Catholic church, OR ANYONE ELSE for that matter, be forced to pay for contraceptives and abortifacients.
If you work for a Catholic church, hospital or charitable organization, and are upset that they won't cover the cost of your abortion, then too fucking bad. Go find a new job working for someone else. On your way, stop into a Kosher restaurant and demand that they serve you pork chops.
Sandra Fluke IS a slut, and I don't want to subsidize for her recreational sex. There, I said it.
Now to address your "talking point"... if someone said that about my daughter, then yes, I'd pound him into the ground. But if someone tried to take away that person's right to speak his mind, he'd get much worse than a simple beating.
There is no "war on women", except in the minds of those who believe what their Government Rulers tell them.
Originally Posted By Boneyard1981:
Totally agree. What Limbaugh said was indeed vile and has no place in our public discourse (and before anyone goes off, Bill Maher, that Ed guy on MSNBC, and others who engage in this should be lambasted as well). All I know is if Limbaugh had said that about one of my daughters, he'd be fishing his teeth out from halfway down his throat.
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Totally agree. What Limbaugh said was indeed vile and has no place in our public discourse (and before anyone goes off, Bill Maher, that Ed guy on MSNBC, and others who engage in this should be lambasted as well). All I know is if Limbaugh had said that about one of my daughters, he'd be fishing his teeth out from halfway down his throat.
Both of you are swallowing the leftist's talking points without thinking of the CRUCIAL ISSUE (hint: it has nothing to do with contraception).
The entire argument was a propaganda campaign by Nancy Pelosi, who devised a calculated obfuscation and misdirection of the ACTUAL ISSUE: Can government mandate religious organizations to violate their core beliefs?
This Constitutional issue was then turned by the leftists into a false "war on women".
There are no Federal laws restricting women from using contraception, and it is easily and cheaply obtained by those who wish to use it. In many cases, it is free. But it is a violation of our Constitution and of the First Amendment to mandate that the Catholic church, OR ANYONE ELSE for that matter, be forced to pay for contraceptives and abortifacients.
If you work for a Catholic church, hospital or charitable organization, and are upset that they won't cover the cost of your abortion, then too fucking bad. Go find a new job working for someone else. On your way, stop into a Kosher restaurant and demand that they serve you pork chops.
Sandra Fluke IS a slut, and I don't want to subsidize for her recreational sex. There, I said it.
Now to address your "talking point"... if someone said that about my daughter, then yes, I'd pound him into the ground. But if someone tried to take away that person's right to speak his mind, he'd get much worse than a simple beating.
There is no "war on women", except in the minds of those who believe what their Government Rulers tell them.
A very lucid comment and a well informed Patriot!
3/13/2012 1:38:31 PM
Originally Posted By BikerNut:
Both of you are swallowing the leftist's talking points without thinking of the CRUCIAL ISSUE (hint: it has nothing to do with contraception).
The entire argument was a propaganda campaign by Nancy Pelosi, who devised a calculated obfuscation and misdirection of the ACTUAL ISSUE: Can government mandate religious organizations to violate their core beliefs?
This Constitutional issue was then turned by the leftists into a false "war on women".
There are no Federal laws restricting women from using contraception, and it is easily and cheaply obtained by those who wish to use it. In many cases, it is free. But it is a violation of our Constitution and of the First Amendment to mandate that the Catholic church, OR ANYONE ELSE for that matter, be forced to pay for contraceptives and abortifacients.
If you work for a Catholic church, hospital or charitable organization, and are upset that they won't cover the cost of your abortion, then too fucking bad. Go find a new job working for someone else. On your way, stop into a Kosher restaurant and demand that they serve you pork chops.
Sandra Fluke IS a slut, and I don't want to subsidize for her recreational sex. There, I said it.
Now to address your "talking point"... if someone said that about my daughter, then yes, I'd pound him into the ground. But if someone tried to take away that person's right to speak his mind, he'd get much worse than a simple beating.
There is no "war on women", except in the minds of those who believe what their Government Rulers tell them.
Originally Posted By Boneyard1981:
Totally agree. What Limbaugh said was indeed vile and has no place in our public discourse (and before anyone goes off, Bill Maher, that Ed guy on MSNBC, and others who engage in this should be lambasted as well). All I know is if Limbaugh had said that about one of my daughters, he'd be fishing his teeth out from halfway down his throat.
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Totally agree. What Limbaugh said was indeed vile and has no place in our public discourse (and before anyone goes off, Bill Maher, that Ed guy on MSNBC, and others who engage in this should be lambasted as well). All I know is if Limbaugh had said that about one of my daughters, he'd be fishing his teeth out from halfway down his throat.
Both of you are swallowing the leftist's talking points without thinking of the CRUCIAL ISSUE (hint: it has nothing to do with contraception).
The entire argument was a propaganda campaign by Nancy Pelosi, who devised a calculated obfuscation and misdirection of the ACTUAL ISSUE: Can government mandate religious organizations to violate their core beliefs?
This Constitutional issue was then turned by the leftists into a false "war on women".
There are no Federal laws restricting women from using contraception, and it is easily and cheaply obtained by those who wish to use it. In many cases, it is free. But it is a violation of our Constitution and of the First Amendment to mandate that the Catholic church, OR ANYONE ELSE for that matter, be forced to pay for contraceptives and abortifacients.
If you work for a Catholic church, hospital or charitable organization, and are upset that they won't cover the cost of your abortion, then too fucking bad. Go find a new job working for someone else. On your way, stop into a Kosher restaurant and demand that they serve you pork chops.
Sandra Fluke IS a slut, and I don't want to subsidize for her recreational sex. There, I said it.
Now to address your "talking point"... if someone said that about my daughter, then yes, I'd pound him into the ground. But if someone tried to take away that person's right to speak his mind, he'd get much worse than a simple beating.
There is no "war on women", except in the minds of those who believe what their Government Rulers tell them.
What the government gives, the government can take away.
3/13/2012 4:33:54 PM
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
The idea that the taxpayer would pay for this contraception is false. Obama would require health insurance providers to cover it, not the tax-payer (Not an Obama lover, just saying). Also I understand the debate of whether or not the government should be paying for health care, that is perfectly legitimate. Going on air however, and calling a person a slut and a prostitute and asking for them to post videos of them having sex online because we would somehow be paying for them to have sex is nutty.
EDIT: BTW there ARE people in this debate who feel that women should not have access to contraception, such as Rick Santorum, an INCREDIBLY popular candidate.
The idea that the taxpayer would pay for this contraception is false. Obama would require health insurance providers to cover it, not the tax-payer (Not an Obama lover, just saying). Also I understand the debate of whether or not the government should be paying for health care, that is perfectly legitimate. Going on air however, and calling a person a slut and a prostitute and asking for them to post videos of them having sex online because we would somehow be paying for them to have sex is nutty.
EDIT: BTW there ARE people in this debate who feel that women should not have access to contraception, such as Rick Santorum, an INCREDIBLY popular candidate.
Nobody is saying that the taxpayers would pay for her contraception. This is an argumentative technique liberals often use called a "strawman argument". In philosophical circles its called a fallacy, but to liberals it seems to be a way of life.
The problem people have is that Fluke wants insurance companies to pay for it. They are the "someone else" that she wants to shell out the money for her Rolls Royce contraception. This means someone else's premiums have to go up to pay for it.
And the argument that it is preventive care that reduced health care costs in the future is bogus. That was the argument made for the HMO Act of 1973, and look how that worked out!
Insurance is supposed to be a way to pay for catastrophic events that you hope won't happen, like accidents and cancer.You pay into the system, the company saves the money (maybe investing it to enlarge the pool), and only pays out when the unexpected happens. It works because it only has to pay out rarely.
But if you require insurance companies to pay for all your health care expenses, it simply turns into a complicated way to pay for it yourself by adding a layer of bureaucracy. And that's the best-case scenario. Worst case is that you are demanding this simply to force some people to pay for something that you want. And it always turns out to be other insurance customers. Its not going to come out of the company's profits, or the company would simply fold, and stop providing the services. It increases everyone else's premiums. Often, this motivates young, healthy people who don't use it to simply not buy the insurance, making the pool of money available that much smaller unless the company raises premiums on everyone else.
And the people who have imposed this nonsense on our health insurance system have the nerve to blame the free market for the troubles we have!
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3/13/2012 4:47:02 PM
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Men can buy rubbers. Women can buy rubbers. Why in the ever living fucking fuck is this a mother fucking political issue?
If I don't like to wear shoes, I don't expect the taxpayers to pay for my boots through .gov mandated health insurance.
3/13/2012 8:11:12 PM
If it walks like a Fluck and talks like a Fluck, its a Slut!
3/13/2012 9:42:40 PM
Originally Posted By rxer311:
If it walks like a Fluck and talks like a Fluck, its a Slut!
If it walks like a Fluck and talks like a Fluck, its a Slut!
Yeah, there's no War on Women. Right, comments like this play right into the left's/media's playbook. The girl had every right to lobby her government for what she/other women believe is important to their lives/health. You can disagree RESPECTFULLY with what she lobbied for, but its over the line to use the derogatory language Limbaugh used. Given over 90 percent of women are/have used birth control at some time or another, you may want to ask your wives/daughters what they think about the issue. I'll bet dollars to donuts that many agree with her. According to Limbaugh, they would fall into the same category.
As for "Falling for the Left" language, give me a break. Since when is condemning someone out for crude attacks against a young lady expressing her opinion? Reminds me of the accusations the Taliban make Afghan women working outside of the home or wanting to go to school. Believe the word was "prostitute." Sound familiar?
3/13/2012 10:17:31 PM
Originally Posted By Boneyard1981:
Yeah, there's no War on Women. Right, comments like this play right into the left's/media's playbook. The girl had every right to lobby her government for what she/other women believe is important to their lives/health. You can disagree RESPECTFULLY with what she lobbied for, but its over the line to use the derogatory language Limbaugh used. Given over 90 percent of women are/have used birth control at some time or another, you may want to ask your wives/daughters what they think about the issue. I'll bet dollars to donuts that many agree with her. According to Limbaugh, they would fall into the same category.
As for "Falling for the Left" language, give me a break. Since when is condemning someone out for crude attacks against a young lady expressing her opinion? Reminds me of the accusations the Taliban make Afghan women working outside of the home or wanting to go to school. Believe the word was "prostitute." Sound familiar?
Originally Posted By rxer311:
If it walks like a Fluck and talks like a Fluck, its a Slut!
If it walks like a Fluck and talks like a Fluck, its a Slut!
Yeah, there's no War on Women. Right, comments like this play right into the left's/media's playbook. The girl had every right to lobby her government for what she/other women believe is important to their lives/health. You can disagree RESPECTFULLY with what she lobbied for, but its over the line to use the derogatory language Limbaugh used. Given over 90 percent of women are/have used birth control at some time or another, you may want to ask your wives/daughters what they think about the issue. I'll bet dollars to donuts that many agree with her. According to Limbaugh, they would fall into the same category.
As for "Falling for the Left" language, give me a break. Since when is condemning someone out for crude attacks against a young lady expressing her opinion? Reminds me of the accusations the Taliban make Afghan women working outside of the home or wanting to go to school. Believe the word was "prostitute." Sound familiar?
"young lady expressing her opinion" = bullshit. She is a lying plant who claimed to be something she is not in order to saturate the media with phony "research" about her "fellow students".
Once again, the issue is not birth control, its FREEDOM OF RELIGION.
ETA: And why are her 1st amendment right more important than those who criticise her? Are they not entitled to express their opinion? It's her right to express her opinion and it's my right to call her out of her lies and express my opinion of her morality (or lack thereof).
3/13/2012 10:39:30 PM
Originally Posted By Boneyard1981:
Yeah, there's no War on Women. Right, comments like this play right into the left's/media's playbook. The girl had every right to lobby her government for what she/other women believe is important to their lives/health. You can disagree RESPECTFULLY with what she lobbied for, but its over the line to use the derogatory language Limbaugh used. Given over 90 percent of women are/have used birth control at some time or another, you may want to ask your wives/daughters what they think about the issue. I'll bet dollars to donuts that many agree with her. According to Limbaugh, they would fall into the same category.
As for "Falling for the Left" language, give me a break. Since when is condemning someone out for crude attacks against a young lady expressing her opinion? Reminds me of the accusations the Taliban make Afghan women working outside of the home or wanting to go to school. Believe the word was "prostitute." Sound familiar?
Originally Posted By rxer311:
If it walks like a Fluck and talks like a Fluck, its a Slut!
If it walks like a Fluck and talks like a Fluck, its a Slut!
Yeah, there's no War on Women. Right, comments like this play right into the left's/media's playbook. The girl had every right to lobby her government for what she/other women believe is important to their lives/health. You can disagree RESPECTFULLY with what she lobbied for, but its over the line to use the derogatory language Limbaugh used. Given over 90 percent of women are/have used birth control at some time or another, you may want to ask your wives/daughters what they think about the issue. I'll bet dollars to donuts that many agree with her. According to Limbaugh, they would fall into the same category.
As for "Falling for the Left" language, give me a break. Since when is condemning someone out for crude attacks against a young lady expressing her opinion? Reminds me of the accusations the Taliban make Afghan women working outside of the home or wanting to go to school. Believe the word was "prostitute." Sound familiar?
But she asking for ME to pay for HER behavior. Call it what you want, but I will call it slutty behavior.
3/13/2012 11:03:17 PM
How about when Ed Schultz called Laura Ingraham a Slut?
Or when Bill Maher called Sarah Palin a Cunt?
Or when the Washington Post calls Michelle Bachman a Barbie with fangs?
Or when Rolling Stone called Bachman a Batshit crazy political psychopath?
Or how about when Randi Rhodes said that conservative women don't deserve to have ovaries?
Yeah...the Conservatives have a war on women...
Its only a controversial when a conservative says something the left doesn't agree with. When its a liberal, they get a pass or they say it was just a joke. And that is a joke.
Or when Bill Maher called Sarah Palin a Cunt?
Or when the Washington Post calls Michelle Bachman a Barbie with fangs?
Or when Rolling Stone called Bachman a Batshit crazy political psychopath?
Or how about when Randi Rhodes said that conservative women don't deserve to have ovaries?
Yeah...the Conservatives have a war on women...
Its only a controversial when a conservative says something the left doesn't agree with. When its a liberal, they get a pass or they say it was just a joke. And that is a joke.
3/14/2012 9:48:27 AM
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
It is the same, except for the fact that many women do need contraception as they cannot CHOOSE to not have medical problems such as ovarian cysts.
It is the same, except for the fact that many women do need contraception as they cannot CHOOSE to not have medical problems such as ovarian cysts.
This has nothing to do with ovarian cysts and everything to do with sex and the emotion attached to it. Nice try, but im thinking your new at this as you have taken for the bait.
3/14/2012 8:56:42 PM
Originally Posted By Boneyard1981:
Yeah, there's no War on Women. Right, comments like this play right into the left's/media's playbook. The girl had every right to lobby her government for what she/other women believe is important to their lives/health. You can disagree RESPECTFULLY with what she lobbied for, but its over the line to use the derogatory language Limbaugh used. Given over 90 percent of women are/have used birth control at some time or another, you may want to ask your wives/daughters what they think about the issue. I'll bet dollars to donuts that many agree with her. According to Limbaugh, they would fall into the same category.
As for "Falling for the Left" language, give me a break. Since when is condemning someone out for crude attacks against a young lady expressing her opinion? Reminds me of the accusations the Taliban make Afghan women working outside of the home or wanting to go to school. Believe the word was "prostitute." Sound familiar?
Originally Posted By rxer311:
If it walks like a Fluck and talks like a Fluck, its a Slut!
If it walks like a Fluck and talks like a Fluck, its a Slut!
Yeah, there's no War on Women. Right, comments like this play right into the left's/media's playbook. The girl had every right to lobby her government for what she/other women believe is important to their lives/health. You can disagree RESPECTFULLY with what she lobbied for, but its over the line to use the derogatory language Limbaugh used. Given over 90 percent of women are/have used birth control at some time or another, you may want to ask your wives/daughters what they think about the issue. I'll bet dollars to donuts that many agree with her. According to Limbaugh, they would fall into the same category.
As for "Falling for the Left" language, give me a break. Since when is condemning someone out for crude attacks against a young lady expressing her opinion? Reminds me of the accusations the Taliban make Afghan women working outside of the home or wanting to go to school. Believe the word was "prostitute." Sound familiar?
WTF are you squawking about?
First, she's a 30 year old woman not some "young lady" - is that terminology supposed to garner some sort of sympathy
That's how liberals operate, playing on emotions.
So it's ok to deride welfare brood mares for asking for more free shit, but somehow it's ok for a 30 y/o white woman getting a free $100K+ college education to get on national TV and ask for more free shit
PS. I asked my wife and she said the freeloading bitch can go to planned parenthood and get it or buy for like $10/month at walmart.
3/14/2012 9:55:09 PM
Hell, I'm with Rush!!! If i'm paying for it, i want pictures at least!!!!
3/14/2012 9:59:44 PM
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
what a fluke post
For a law student....she sure has shown how dumb she truly is. Maybe she should study contraceptive costs more than sleeping around
3/14/2012 10:02:30 PM
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Is there something wrong with my first posts being related to my first ar15? Seems like it would be pretty common. Also what is wrong with me having low posts, at one point you had 6 posts as well.
The idea that the taxpayer would pay for this contraception is false. Obama would require health insurance providers to cover it, not the tax-payer (Not an Obama lover, just saying). Also I understand the debate of whether or not the government should be paying for health care, that is perfectly legitimate. Going on air however, and calling a person a slut and a prostitute and asking for them to post videos of them having sex online because we would somehow be paying for them to have sex is nutty.
EDIT: BTW there ARE people in this debate who feel that women should not have access to contraception, such as Rick Santorum, an INCREDIBLY popular candidate.
Originally Posted By Foxnews_FTW:
To those interested: I took at look at his comments, after all there's only 6 to look through
Yes, 4 of those posts are in a tech forum about a new gun he got.
That said, Colt, absolutely no one on the right int his debate believes women should not have the option to contraception, is not that it should be available, etc. It's: why should others pay for that elective drug? Anything obama has done will not make it "Free", it will be paid for by all of us, and that's bullshit.
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
I am sorry, what does DU mean? Anyway yes I joined this forum recently because I recently purchased an AR15. Just because my opinions are not in line with yours does not make me a troll. My post was completely civil.
Originally Posted By stevem1a:
Post count = low.
Join date = recent.
Troll probability = high.
This is not DU.
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Contraception is a serious issue for women's health, and so is the fact that these issues are being decided without the participation of women. It is exactly what is so frustrating about having gun policy decided by people who don't own or understand firearms. This is not a "leftie conspiracy", but a real issue with real consequences. Also regardless of who Sandra Fluke is, what Limbaugh said was vile, as are many of his statements.
Post count = low.
Join date = recent.
Troll probability = high.
This is not DU.
I am sorry, what does DU mean? Anyway yes I joined this forum recently because I recently purchased an AR15. Just because my opinions are not in line with yours does not make me a troll. My post was completely civil.
To those interested: I took at look at his comments, after all there's only 6 to look through
Yes, 4 of those posts are in a tech forum about a new gun he got.
That said, Colt, absolutely no one on the right int his debate believes women should not have the option to contraception, is not that it should be available, etc. It's: why should others pay for that elective drug? Anything obama has done will not make it "Free", it will be paid for by all of us, and that's bullshit.
Is there something wrong with my first posts being related to my first ar15? Seems like it would be pretty common. Also what is wrong with me having low posts, at one point you had 6 posts as well.
The idea that the taxpayer would pay for this contraception is false. Obama would require health insurance providers to cover it, not the tax-payer (Not an Obama lover, just saying). Also I understand the debate of whether or not the government should be paying for health care, that is perfectly legitimate. Going on air however, and calling a person a slut and a prostitute and asking for them to post videos of them having sex online because we would somehow be paying for them to have sex is nutty.
EDIT: BTW there ARE people in this debate who feel that women should not have access to contraception, such as Rick Santorum, an INCREDIBLY popular candidate.
I guess in your ill informed opinion...insurance companies simply "asbsorb" those costs. Guess you are not in business correct? Added costs are ALWAYS passed on to the consumer. If .gov is paying for the insurance....then we taxpayers pay for Fluke to be a slut.
Sorry but that is against my ethics to support some two bit whore who wants me to pay so she can spread her legs to whatever is in front of her.
3/15/2012 6:13:56 PM
Originally Posted By gunnut284:
THIS ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT CONTRACEPTION! IT IS ABOUT RELIGIOUS FREEDOM (THE GOVT FORCING RELIGIOUS GROUPS TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS).
Yes, I'm yelling because no one is debating banning contraception just trying to obfuscate the real issue. The liberals/progressive are parading out their usual list of plants who claim to be a (insert victim of the day) and the media gobbles it up like Barney Frank on a cock.
THIS ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT CONTRACEPTION! IT IS ABOUT RELIGIOUS FREEDOM (THE GOVT FORCING RELIGIOUS GROUPS TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS).
Yes, I'm yelling because no one is debating banning contraception just trying to obfuscate the real issue. The liberals/progressive are parading out their usual list of plants who claim to be a (insert victim of the day) and the media gobbles it up like Barney Frank on a cock.
Exactly!!!! In the Immortal words of Earl Pitt..."WAKE UP AMERICA"!
3/16/2012 11:33:20 AM
Originally Posted By slowboogie:
Exactly!!!! In the Immortal words of Earl Pitt..."WAKE UP AMERICA"!
Originally Posted By gunnut284:
THIS ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT CONTRACEPTION! IT IS ABOUT RELIGIOUS FREEDOM (THE GOVT FORCING RELIGIOUS GROUPS TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS).
Yes, I'm yelling because no one is debating banning contraception just trying to obfuscate the real issue. The liberals/progressive are parading out their usual list of plants who claim to be a (insert victim of the day) and the media gobbles it up like Barney Frank on a cock.
THIS ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT CONTRACEPTION! IT IS ABOUT RELIGIOUS FREEDOM (THE GOVT FORCING RELIGIOUS GROUPS TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS).
Yes, I'm yelling because no one is debating banning contraception just trying to obfuscate the real issue. The liberals/progressive are parading out their usual list of plants who claim to be a (insert victim of the day) and the media gobbles it up like Barney Frank on a cock.
Exactly!!!! In the Immortal words of Earl Pitt..."WAKE UP AMERICA"!
One more time. WAKE UP AMERICA before it is too late.
3/16/2012 5:06:35 PM
Originally Posted By StogerMan:
One more time. WAKE UP AMERICA before it is too late.
Originally Posted By slowboogie:
Exactly!!!! In the Immortal words of Earl Pitt..."WAKE UP AMERICA"!
Originally Posted By gunnut284:
THIS ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT CONTRACEPTION! IT IS ABOUT RELIGIOUS FREEDOM (THE GOVT FORCING RELIGIOUS GROUPS TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS).
Yes, I'm yelling because no one is debating banning contraception just trying to obfuscate the real issue. The liberals/progressive are parading out their usual list of plants who claim to be a (insert victim of the day) and the media gobbles it up like Barney Frank on a cock.
THIS ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT CONTRACEPTION! IT IS ABOUT RELIGIOUS FREEDOM (THE GOVT FORCING RELIGIOUS GROUPS TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS).
Yes, I'm yelling because no one is debating banning contraception just trying to obfuscate the real issue. The liberals/progressive are parading out their usual list of plants who claim to be a (insert victim of the day) and the media gobbles it up like Barney Frank on a cock.
Exactly!!!! In the Immortal words of Earl Pitt..."WAKE UP AMERICA"!
One more time. WAKE UP AMERICA before it is too late.
I may already be too late...
3/16/2012 5:10:56 PM
Originally Posted By rxer311:
I may already be too late...
Originally Posted By StogerMan:
One more time. WAKE UP AMERICA before it is too late.
Originally Posted By slowboogie:
Exactly!!!! In the Immortal words of Earl Pitt..."WAKE UP AMERICA"!
Originally Posted By gunnut284:
THIS ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT CONTRACEPTION! IT IS ABOUT RELIGIOUS FREEDOM (THE GOVT FORCING RELIGIOUS GROUPS TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS).
Yes, I'm yelling because no one is debating banning contraception just trying to obfuscate the real issue. The liberals/progressive are parading out their usual list of plants who claim to be a (insert victim of the day) and the media gobbles it up like Barney Frank on a cock.
THIS ISSUE IS NOT ABOUT CONTRACEPTION! IT IS ABOUT RELIGIOUS FREEDOM (THE GOVT FORCING RELIGIOUS GROUPS TO DO SOMETHING THAT IS AGAINST THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS).
Yes, I'm yelling because no one is debating banning contraception just trying to obfuscate the real issue. The liberals/progressive are parading out their usual list of plants who claim to be a (insert victim of the day) and the media gobbles it up like Barney Frank on a cock.
Exactly!!!! In the Immortal words of Earl Pitt..."WAKE UP AMERICA"!
One more time. WAKE UP AMERICA before it is too late.
I may already be too late...
IT IS NEVER TOO LATE TO FIGHT FOR WHAT ONE HOLDS DEAR. Sorry for screaming.
3/20/2012 3:37:19 PM
Originally Posted By sanman28:
This has nothing to do with ovarian cysts and everything to do with sex and the emotion attached to it. Nice try, but im thinking your new at this as you have taken for the bait.
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
It is the same, except for the fact that many women do need contraception as they cannot CHOOSE to not have medical problems such as ovarian cysts.
It is the same, except for the fact that many women do need contraception as they cannot CHOOSE to not have medical problems such as ovarian cysts.
This has nothing to do with ovarian cysts and everything to do with sex and the emotion attached to it. Nice try, but im thinking your new at this as you have taken for the bait.
Can you please tell that to my wife's ovaries? When she doesn't take her hormone pills her cysts basically make her bedridden for 2-3 days a month. Her medication for this is the same that women also take for birth control.
Fortunately, my insurance plan is putting the pill on our pharma plan so I don't have to pay 'full' price for them.
If it makes anyone happy, they are putting Viagra on the same teir...
I've known a lot of women that regulate their period using pills. This lowers their instance of PMS, a total win/win for them and the men around them. What is the issue? Oh yeah, WOMEN CONTROLING WHEN THEY OVULATE. How dare they, the sluts. I mean, only slutty women want to control their own bodies, right?
Who is better to decide what women should do than men. Yep, try telling women that are cycling at the same time w/o pills to control their hormone levels that little nugget...
3/20/2012 4:18:18 PM
Originally Posted By ErikO:
Can you please tell that to my wife's ovaries? When she doesn't take her hormone pills her cysts basically make her bedridden for 2-3 days a month. Her medication for this is the same that women also take for birth control.
Fortunately, my insurance plan is putting the pill on our pharma plan so I don't have to pay 'full' price for them.
If it makes anyone happy, they are putting Viagra on the same teir...
I've known a lot of women that regulate their period using pills. This lowers their instance of PMS, a total win/win for them and the men around them. What is the issue? Oh yeah, WOMEN CONTROLING WHEN THEY OVULATE. How dare they, the sluts. I mean, only slutty women want to control their own bodies, right?
Who is better to decide what women should do than men. Yep, try telling women that are cycling at the same time w/o pills to control their hormone levels that little nugget...
Originally Posted By sanman28:
This has nothing to do with ovarian cysts and everything to do with sex and the emotion attached to it. Nice try, but im thinking your new at this as you have taken for the bait.
Originally Posted By cole_bie:
It is the same, except for the fact that many women do need contraception as they cannot CHOOSE to not have medical problems such as ovarian cysts.
It is the same, except for the fact that many women do need contraception as they cannot CHOOSE to not have medical problems such as ovarian cysts.
This has nothing to do with ovarian cysts and everything to do with sex and the emotion attached to it. Nice try, but im thinking your new at this as you have taken for the bait.
Can you please tell that to my wife's ovaries? When she doesn't take her hormone pills her cysts basically make her bedridden for 2-3 days a month. Her medication for this is the same that women also take for birth control.
Fortunately, my insurance plan is putting the pill on our pharma plan so I don't have to pay 'full' price for them.
If it makes anyone happy, they are putting Viagra on the same teir...
I've known a lot of women that regulate their period using pills. This lowers their instance of PMS, a total win/win for them and the men around them. What is the issue? Oh yeah, WOMEN CONTROLING WHEN THEY OVULATE. How dare they, the sluts. I mean, only slutty women want to control their own bodies, right?
Who is better to decide what women should do than men. Yep, try telling women that are cycling at the same time w/o pills to control their hormone levels that little nugget...
They are less than $10 a month. Get over it. My brother in law has to get a $2000 procedure done every 2 weeks to stay alive. Guess what? It ain't covered. Shit happens. He pays for it out of pocket and finds a way to make it work. Be grateful treatment for those cysts is only $10 a month. Again, there is no barrier to access...you just might have to pay for it just like every other commodity.
3/20/2012 4:37:05 PM
Originally Posted By ErikO:
Can you please tell that to my wife's ovaries? When she doesn't take her hormone pills her cysts basically make her bedridden for 2-3 days a month. Her medication for this is the same that women also take for birth control.
Fortunately, my insurance plan is putting the pill on our pharma plan so I don't have to pay 'full' price for them.
If it makes anyone happy, they are putting Viagra on the same teir...
I've known a lot of women that regulate their period using pills. This lowers their instance of PMS, a total win/win for them and the men around them. What is the issue? Oh yeah, WOMEN CONTROLING WHEN THEY OVULATE. How dare they, the sluts. I mean, only slutty women want to control their own bodies, right?
Who is better to decide what women should do than men. Yep, try telling women that are cycling at the same time w/o pills to control their hormone levels that little nugget...
Can you please tell that to my wife's ovaries? When she doesn't take her hormone pills her cysts basically make her bedridden for 2-3 days a month. Her medication for this is the same that women also take for birth control.
Fortunately, my insurance plan is putting the pill on our pharma plan so I don't have to pay 'full' price for them.
If it makes anyone happy, they are putting Viagra on the same teir...
I've known a lot of women that regulate their period using pills. This lowers their instance of PMS, a total win/win for them and the men around them. What is the issue? Oh yeah, WOMEN CONTROLING WHEN THEY OVULATE. How dare they, the sluts. I mean, only slutty women want to control their own bodies, right?
Who is better to decide what women should do than men. Yep, try telling women that are cycling at the same time w/o pills to control their hormone levels that little nugget...
When will you fucking idiots wake up and realize you've been manipulated with a calculated propaganda campaign?
It's all been twisted by the Left with misinformation. They can't win the argument on Constitutional grounds or legal grounds, so they CHANGED THE ARGUMENT! Oldest trick in the book and YOU FUCKING FELL FOR IT! The REAL ISSUE of this debate has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR WIFE'S OVARIES!
The FUCKING ISSUE is the Constitutionality of forcing religious institutions to provide a medical service that is contradictory to their teachings, beliefs and doctrine!
Prior to Obama's mandate, the Catholic Church had NO ISSUE WITH YOUR WIFE'S MEDICAL TREATMENT, and they still don't! She is controlling a health issue, not aborting fertilized eggs.
I don't care what you or anyone else, including the Catholic Church, believes about birth control. That is NOT the ISSUE!
The ISSUE is the FIRST FUCKING AMENDMENT! Can the Government legally and Constitutionally mandate a religion to act against its faith?
Can they? Answer THAT question and you'll be addressing the ACTUAL GODDAMNED LEGAL ISSUE, not the Left's MANUFACTURED CRISES of Sandra Fluke's extracurricular activities, the "war on women", or your wife's ovaries.
3/20/2012 5:33:34 PM
By by fluke thread. Been a good run.
3/20/2012 5:33:41 PM
Originally Posted By BikerNut:
When will you fucking idiots wake up and realize you've been manipulated with a calculated propaganda campaign?
It's all been twisted by the Left with misinformation. They can't win the argument on Constitutional grounds or legal grounds, so they CHANGED THE ARGUMENT! Oldest trick in the book and YOU FUCKING FELL FOR IT! The REAL ISSUE of this debate has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR WIFE'S OVARIES!
The FUCKING ISSUE is the Constitutionality of forcing religious institutions to provide a medical service that is contradictory to their teachings, beliefs and doctrine!
Prior to Obama's mandate, the Catholic Church had NO ISSUE WITH YOUR WIFE'S MEDICAL TREATMENT, and they still don't! She is controlling a health issue, not aborting fertilized eggs.
I don't care what you or anyone else, including the Catholic Church, believes about birth control. That is NOT the ISSUE!
The ISSUE is the FIRST FUCKING AMENDMENT! Can the Government legally and Constitutionally mandate a religion to act against its faith?
Can they? Answer THAT question and you'll be addressing the ACTUAL GODDAMNED LEGAL ISSUE, not the Left's MANUFACTURED CRISES of Sandra Fluke's extracurricular activities, the "war on women", or your wife's ovaries.
Originally Posted By ErikO:
Can you please tell that to my wife's ovaries? When she doesn't take her hormone pills her cysts basically make her bedridden for 2-3 days a month. Her medication for this is the same that women also take for birth control.
Fortunately, my insurance plan is putting the pill on our pharma plan so I don't have to pay 'full' price for them.
If it makes anyone happy, they are putting Viagra on the same teir...
I've known a lot of women that regulate their period using pills. This lowers their instance of PMS, a total win/win for them and the men around them. What is the issue? Oh yeah, WOMEN CONTROLING WHEN THEY OVULATE. How dare they, the sluts. I mean, only slutty women want to control their own bodies, right?
Who is better to decide what women should do than men. Yep, try telling women that are cycling at the same time w/o pills to control their hormone levels that little nugget...
Can you please tell that to my wife's ovaries? When she doesn't take her hormone pills her cysts basically make her bedridden for 2-3 days a month. Her medication for this is the same that women also take for birth control.
Fortunately, my insurance plan is putting the pill on our pharma plan so I don't have to pay 'full' price for them.
If it makes anyone happy, they are putting Viagra on the same teir...
I've known a lot of women that regulate their period using pills. This lowers their instance of PMS, a total win/win for them and the men around them. What is the issue? Oh yeah, WOMEN CONTROLING WHEN THEY OVULATE. How dare they, the sluts. I mean, only slutty women want to control their own bodies, right?
Who is better to decide what women should do than men. Yep, try telling women that are cycling at the same time w/o pills to control their hormone levels that little nugget...
When will you fucking idiots wake up and realize you've been manipulated with a calculated propaganda campaign?
It's all been twisted by the Left with misinformation. They can't win the argument on Constitutional grounds or legal grounds, so they CHANGED THE ARGUMENT! Oldest trick in the book and YOU FUCKING FELL FOR IT! The REAL ISSUE of this debate has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR WIFE'S OVARIES!
The FUCKING ISSUE is the Constitutionality of forcing religious institutions to provide a medical service that is contradictory to their teachings, beliefs and doctrine!
Prior to Obama's mandate, the Catholic Church had NO ISSUE WITH YOUR WIFE'S MEDICAL TREATMENT, and they still don't! She is controlling a health issue, not aborting fertilized eggs.
I don't care what you or anyone else, including the Catholic Church, believes about birth control. That is NOT the ISSUE!
The ISSUE is the FIRST FUCKING AMENDMENT! Can the Government legally and Constitutionally mandate a religion to act against its faith?
Can they? Answer THAT question and you'll be addressing the ACTUAL GODDAMNED LEGAL ISSUE, not the Left's MANUFACTURED CRISES of Sandra Fluke's extracurricular activities, the "war on women", or your wife's ovaries.
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