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Info Request: Daniel Defense Omega-X Rail. Next gen Omega rail?
1/18/2009 8:15:11 PM
Can someone please update me on the Omega-X rail?
Do I need to throw my carbine length Omega rail onto the EE right now?
Info/pictures appreciated!
Do I need to throw my carbine length Omega rail onto the EE right now?
Info/pictures appreciated!
1/18/2009 8:40:47 PM
Yeah, I'd really like to see what these are all about too.
As stated, pics would be nice!
As stated, pics would be nice!
1/18/2009 9:56:25 PM
1/18/2009 10:02:21 PM
I cant see anything in that vid. Is the difference just that it extends past the sight?
1/19/2009 9:23:47 AM
All one can see is the silhouette because of the strong background lighting. I saw a picture of it, couldn't tell much from that either though. If it uses the same bolt on system as the Lite Rail, doesn't DD already make a Lite Rail with the FSB cut out?
The rep says it's a hybrid, I take that to mean it uses the Lite Rail's bolt system, but Omega's two piece design to ease installation.
The rep says it's a hybrid, I take that to mean it uses the Lite Rail's bolt system, but Omega's two piece design to ease installation.
1/19/2009 11:11:33 AM
Originally Posted By Duffy:
The rep says it's a hybrid, I take that to mean it uses the Lite Rail's bolt system, but Omega's two piece design to ease installation.
The rep says it's a hybrid, I take that to mean it uses the Lite Rail's bolt system, but Omega's two piece design to ease installation.
That is exactly what it is. This should be an awesome rail system.
1/19/2009 11:15:09 AM
Thanks!
Have they given any idea on when they will be available?
Have they given any idea on when they will be available?
1/19/2009 11:29:52 AM
Originally Posted By Duffy:
The rep says it's a hybrid, I take that to mean it uses the Lite Rail's bolt system, but Omega's two piece design to ease installation.
The rep says it's a hybrid, I take that to mean it uses the Lite Rail's bolt system, but Omega's two piece design to ease installation.
And perhaps with a two-piece design, it allows you to mount M203 on it?
1/19/2009 11:51:07 AM
Hmmm....
Good point! That would be slick.
Wish we could see some product data sheets on these.
Good point! That would be slick.
Wish we could see some product data sheets on these.
Originally Posted By mebiuspower:
And perhaps with a two-piece design, it allows you to mount M203 on it?
Originally Posted By Duffy:
The rep says it's a hybrid, I take that to mean it uses the Lite Rail's bolt system, but Omega's two piece design to ease installation.
The rep says it's a hybrid, I take that to mean it uses the Lite Rail's bolt system, but Omega's two piece design to ease installation.
And perhaps with a two-piece design, it allows you to mount M203 on it?
1/19/2009 12:47:18 PM
Originally Posted By kgreen01:
That is exactly what it is. This should be an awesome rail system.
Originally Posted By Duffy:
The rep says it's a hybrid, I take that to mean it uses the Lite Rail's bolt system, but Omega's two piece design to ease installation.
The rep says it's a hybrid, I take that to mean it uses the Lite Rail's bolt system, but Omega's two piece design to ease installation.
That is exactly what it is. This should be an awesome rail system.
Here's a somewhat better pic of it...
Doesn't really like like the same "Lite" rail lock up to me?
Originally Posted By mebiuspower:
And perhaps with a two-piece design, it allows you to mount M203 on it?
Originally Posted By Duffy:
The rep says it's a hybrid, I take that to mean it uses the Lite Rail's bolt system, but Omega's two piece design to ease installation.
The rep says it's a hybrid, I take that to mean it uses the Lite Rail's bolt system, but Omega's two piece design to ease installation.
And perhaps with a two-piece design, it allows you to mount M203 on it?
Isn't that what the DD RIS II rail is for?
1/19/2009 1:31:51 PM
Originally Posted By kgreen01:
That is exactly what it is. This should be an awesome rail system.
Originally Posted By Duffy:
The rep says it's a hybrid, I take that to mean it uses the Lite Rail's bolt system, but Omega's two piece design to ease installation.
The rep says it's a hybrid, I take that to mean it uses the Lite Rail's bolt system, but Omega's two piece design to ease installation.
That is exactly what it is. This should be an awesome rail system.
What I want to know, is if it can be installed on uppers with Perm attached flash hiders.
1/19/2009 5:37:43 PM
Originally Posted By airgunner:
Here's a somewhat better pic of it...
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f240/mvician/DDM4.jpg
Doesn't really like like the same "Lite" rail lock up to me?
Isn't that what the DD RIS II rail is for?
Originally Posted By kgreen01:
That is exactly what it is. This should be an awesome rail system.
Originally Posted By Duffy:
The rep says it's a hybrid, I take that to mean it uses the Lite Rail's bolt system, but Omega's two piece design to ease installation.
The rep says it's a hybrid, I take that to mean it uses the Lite Rail's bolt system, but Omega's two piece design to ease installation.
That is exactly what it is. This should be an awesome rail system.
Here's a somewhat better pic of it...
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f240/mvician/DDM4.jpg
Doesn't really like like the same "Lite" rail lock up to me?
Originally Posted By mebiuspower:
And perhaps with a two-piece design, it allows you to mount M203 on it?
Originally Posted By Duffy:
The rep says it's a hybrid, I take that to mean it uses the Lite Rail's bolt system, but Omega's two piece design to ease installation.
The rep says it's a hybrid, I take that to mean it uses the Lite Rail's bolt system, but Omega's two piece design to ease installation.
And perhaps with a two-piece design, it allows you to mount M203 on it?
Isn't that what the DD RIS II rail is for?
I was wondering about the same, the beginning of the rail (ahead of the mag well) looks like that of the KAC URX and Vltor's VIS, I don't see the bolts for the Lite Rail.
1/19/2009 8:45:09 PM
I saw the pics SMGLee took, it does use bolts but they're so far recessed they're not visible unless viewed from the muzzle end 
1/19/2009 10:18:32 PM
Anyone hear if this will be available in the 9.5"? Any word on a shipping date?
1/19/2009 10:54:46 PM
I wonder why DD chose the one with the FSB cut out to debut the new hybrid? Most people choose carbine, mid-length and rifle length hand guards, the one with the FSB cutout pioneered by KAC in the way of FF RAS MRE is not as common. I'm sure there'll be all other lengths available, but I won't be buying another one with the FSB cutout, I already have a KAC FF RAS MRE and DD's M4 12.0 FSP 
1/19/2009 11:08:37 PM
Originally Posted By Duffy:
I wonder why DD chose the one with the FSB cut out to debut the new hybrid? Most people choose carbine, mid-length and rifle length hand guards, the one with the FSB cutout pioneered by KAC in the way of FF RAS MRE is not as common. I'm sure there'll be all other lengths available, but I won't be buying another one with the FSB cutout, I already have a KAC FF RAS MRE and DD's M4 12.0 FSP
I wonder why DD chose the one with the FSB cut out to debut the new hybrid? Most people choose carbine, mid-length and rifle length hand guards, the one with the FSB cutout pioneered by KAC in the way of FF RAS MRE is not as common. I'm sure there'll be all other lengths available, but I won't be buying another one with the FSB cutout, I already have a KAC FF RAS MRE and DD's M4 12.0 FSP
Larry Vickers I'd reckon.
He's got a hardon for sticking an X300 on that top forward bit of rail for better shooting weak handed around right-hand corners & whatnot.
He's also formally teamed up with DD in some sort of advisory role.
1/19/2009 11:15:36 PM
Ah makes sense now
All of my lights are big and not mountable on rails ahead of the FSB
But that's a great way to mount a light and make use of the extra rails there, all of mine have been unused thus far 
All of my lights are big and not mountable on rails ahead of the FSB
But that's a great way to mount a light and make use of the extra rails there, all of mine have been unused thus far 1/19/2009 11:17:50 PM
Dude, you're talking to the king of wasted rails...
1/20/2009 9:22:22 AM
I emailed DD a couple of days ago, asking for product info on new rails for '09. Here's the response I just received...
"Thank you for your interest in Daniel Defense and our products. The only new rail system for 09 is the Omega X 12.0 FSP. It's a cross between an Omega and a Lite Rail. We also have a new back up iron sight and a vertical grip. All of these are standard on our M4 Carbine but will be available as individual items in the near future."
Looks like only the Omega X will only be available in 12"
"Thank you for your interest in Daniel Defense and our products. The only new rail system for 09 is the Omega X 12.0 FSP. It's a cross between an Omega and a Lite Rail. We also have a new back up iron sight and a vertical grip. All of these are standard on our M4 Carbine but will be available as individual items in the near future."
Looks like only the Omega X will only be available in 12"
1/20/2009 10:37:29 AM
What were those other rails in SMGLee's gallery then I wonder. I hope does a bit of captioning in a post, although there are a hell of a lot of pictures.
1/20/2009 5:23:17 PM
The other rails look like Lite Rail or RISII.
1/20/2009 10:26:38 PM
It looks great, esp in the FSP form, but doesn't this cannibalize RIS II/Lite Rail a little? I know there's not much information, but other than, say, free float M203 mounting, what advantage would a RIS II have over this guy?
1/21/2009 9:30:19 AM
I don't think it would, because one can say the Omega cut into Lite Rail and RISII sales too. Omega is a high quality but less expensive alternative. The RISII is pretty expensive, and both the RISII and Lite Rail require the removal of barrel to install, so an FSP version of Omega makes sense.
1/21/2009 9:33:57 AM
Yeah, it does fill a niche.
1/21/2009 12:24:32 PM
It's a modified Omega rail that clamps onto a Lite rail type barrel nut.
1/21/2009 6:05:32 PM
Originally Posted By Duffy:
I don't think it would, because one can say the Omega cut into Lite Rail and RISII sales too. Omega is a high quality but less expensive alternative. The RISII is pretty expensive, and both the RISII and Lite Rail require the removal of barrel to install, so an FSP version of Omega makes sense.
I don't think it would, because one can say the Omega cut into Lite Rail and RISII sales too. Omega is a high quality but less expensive alternative. The RISII is pretty expensive, and both the RISII and Lite Rail require the removal of barrel to install, so an FSP version of Omega makes sense.
I'm not quite sure how it manages to use the Lite rail barrel nut and still be Omega (i.e., don't have to remove stock delta ring or barrel). I might be totally confused, but here's what I've got so far on the Omega X:
- Uses something like the Lite rail barrel nut, from the photo above the stock delta ring seems to be totally hidden or gone
- Since it's being branded an Omega, we should expect it to be easier to install than a Lite rail or RIS II
Isn't the lite-rail barrel nut the biggest difference between the Omega and the Lite rail/RIS II? Sorry if I make no sense, I am just trying to get some clarification.
1/21/2009 6:23:02 PM
Tell you the truth I have no idea how the Omega X attaches to the upper. The way a Lite Rail and RISII attach to the upper is almost identical, the plates that go behind the Lite Rail/RISII barrel nut are similar, the RISII plate has anti-rotation tabs, my 14.0 AR10 Lite Rail does not. I'm not sure about newer Lite Rails though.
I did see screws that screw the upper portion of the X into the upper receiver, I'm not sure to what they screw into. These screws completely disappear into the holes, unlike the Lite Rail/RIS where they're visible.
I did see screws that screw the upper portion of the X into the upper receiver, I'm not sure to what they screw into. These screws completely disappear into the holes, unlike the Lite Rail/RIS where they're visible.
1/22/2009 12:25:24 AM
disregard
1/22/2009 12:25:36 AM
I'm thinking it screws into the stock barrel nut, and conceals it completely much like those Samson rails.
This of course, is a completely wild guess.
This of course, is a completely wild guess.
1/22/2009 12:50:28 AM
Originally Posted By BadassWeakling:
I'm thinking it screws into the stock barrel nut, and conceals it completely much like those Samson rails.
This of course, is a completely wild guess.
I'm thinking it screws into the stock barrel nut, and conceals it completely much like those Samson rails.
This of course, is a completely wild guess.
I already posted how it works, and I'll repeat.
It has a Lite rail (like if not identical) barrel nut. Then the rail clamps onto the barrel nut, in a similar fashion to how the original Omega clamps onto the standard barrel fittings. There are small screws that are visible from the bottom of the handguard in the barrel nut area.
1/23/2009 2:55:33 PM
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
I already posted how it works, and I'll repeat.
It has a Lite rail (like if not identical) barrel nut. Then the rail clamps onto the barrel nut, in a similar fashion to how the original Omega clamps onto the standard barrel fittings. There are small screws that are visible from the bottom of the handguard in the barrel nut area.
Originally Posted By BadassWeakling:
I'm thinking it screws into the stock barrel nut, and conceals it completely much like those Samson rails.
This of course, is a completely wild guess.
I'm thinking it screws into the stock barrel nut, and conceals it completely much like those Samson rails.
This of course, is a completely wild guess.
I already posted how it works, and I'll repeat.
It has a Lite rail (like if not identical) barrel nut. Then the rail clamps onto the barrel nut, in a similar fashion to how the original Omega clamps onto the standard barrel fittings. There are small screws that are visible from the bottom of the handguard in the barrel nut area.
What's the point of having a Omega style mounting system if you have to use a LITE style barrel nut?
The tiny set screws on the Omega aren't quite as confidence inspiring as the standard LITE bolts IMHO.
Well, at least i don't have to throw my first gen Omega onto the EE.
1/23/2009 3:01:28 PM
Originally Posted By BadassWeakling:
What's the point of having a Omega style mounting system if you have to use a LITE style barrel nut?
The tiny set screws on the Omega aren't quite as confidence inspiring as the standard LITE bolts IMHO.
Well, at least i don't have to throw my first gen Omega onto the EE.
Originally Posted By Gamma762:
I already posted how it works, and I'll repeat.
It has a Lite rail (like if not identical) barrel nut. Then the rail clamps onto the barrel nut, in a similar fashion to how the original Omega clamps onto the standard barrel fittings. There are small screws that are visible from the bottom of the handguard in the barrel nut area.
Originally Posted By BadassWeakling:
I'm thinking it screws into the stock barrel nut, and conceals it completely much like those Samson rails.
This of course, is a completely wild guess.
I'm thinking it screws into the stock barrel nut, and conceals it completely much like those Samson rails.
This of course, is a completely wild guess.
I already posted how it works, and I'll repeat.
It has a Lite rail (like if not identical) barrel nut. Then the rail clamps onto the barrel nut, in a similar fashion to how the original Omega clamps onto the standard barrel fittings. There are small screws that are visible from the bottom of the handguard in the barrel nut area.
What's the point of having a Omega style mounting system if you have to use a LITE style barrel nut?
The tiny set screws on the Omega aren't quite as confidence inspiring as the standard LITE bolts IMHO.
Well, at least i don't have to throw my first gen Omega onto the EE.
I've tried to budge my Omega, and short of running over it with my truck, I don't think it's moving. I haven't heard of any problem with the gen1 Omegas, am I missing something? What are the advantages to this new model?
1/23/2009 3:18:21 PM
The reason the Omega rail is such a big seller (besides price) is that it doesn't require the removal of the front sight and can be installed with a permanently attached muzzle devices. It would appear that this rail possesses none of those benefits.
1/24/2009 6:06:19 PM
Originally Posted By Bushman_269:
The reason the Omega rail is such a big seller (besides price) is that it doesn't require the removal of the front sight and can be installed with a permanently attached muzzle devices. It would appear that this rail possesses none of those benefits.
The reason the Omega rail is such a big seller (besides price) is that it doesn't require the removal of the front sight and can be installed with a permanently attached muzzle devices. It would appear that this rail possesses none of those benefits.
Thanks, that's what I was initially trying to express. I guess the Omega in the Omega X name is a bit of a misnomer.
1/27/2009 6:10:38 PM
Will a can fit under the rail if you were doing 9mm build?
1/28/2009 5:16:17 PM
Someone said the Omega X would only come on complete rifle 
7/28/2009 12:31:06 PM
The Omega X uses the same barrel nut as the Lite rail and maintains the Omega system's screw set. The only difference from the Lite Rail other than mounting that I can find is the fact that it already has QD swivel sockets.
