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Rugerlvr  [Team Member]
9/22/2011 12:18:53 AM
Well, my Kindle broke, so I finally finished my paper copy of Killing Floor by Lee Child.

I realize he's British, and probably doesn't know shit about guns, but his descriptions of the lethality of a 10-gauge shotgun were particularly bad. I think it was how he described it as being able to lethally hit two targets with one shot, at different ranges in a 15-degree arc, inside 30 yards, made me literally laugh out loud.

I know the Jack Reacher series is supposed to be kinda good, and I thought Killing Floor was OK for a first novel, but lord, does his gun research get any better?
VoodooChile  [Team Member]
9/22/2011 12:21:54 AM
You know there will be Jack Reacher movie in the works...Guess who signed up to play Jack?




























































































Tom Cruise!!!!!
Josh  [Life Member]
9/22/2011 12:23:00 AM
Originally Posted By Rugerlvr:
Well, my Kindle broke, so I finally finished my paper copy of Killing Floor by Lee Child.

I realize he's British, and probably doesn't know shit about guns, but his descriptions of the lethality of a 10-gauge shotgun were particularly bad. I think it was how he described it as being able to lethally hit two targets at different ranges in a 15-degree arc, inside 30 yards, made me literally laugh out loud.

I know the Jack Reacher series is supposed to be kinda good, and I thought Killing Floor was OK for a first novel, but lord, does his gun research get any better?


No. He doesn't know shit about guns. Otherwise, the books are very well written, IMO.
Rugerlvr  [Team Member]
9/22/2011 12:44:10 AM
Originally Posted By VoodooChile:
You know there will be Jack Reacher movie in the works...Guess who signed up to play Jack?


Tom Cruise!!!!!


Are you serious? Reacher is supposed to be 6'5" and built like a linebacker.
VoodooChile  [Team Member]
9/22/2011 12:57:27 AM
Originally Posted By Rugerlvr:
Originally Posted By VoodooChile:
You know there will be Jack Reacher movie in the works...Guess who signed up to play Jack?


Tom Cruise!!!!!


Are you serious? Reacher is supposed to be 6'5" and built like a linebacker.


Yup...crazy ain't it??

AvengeR15  [Team Member]
9/22/2011 10:03:20 AM

Originally Posted By Josh:
Originally Posted By Rugerlvr:
Well, my Kindle broke, so I finally finished my paper copy of Killing Floor by Lee Child.

I realize he's British, and probably doesn't know shit about guns, but his descriptions of the lethality of a 10-gauge shotgun were particularly bad. I think it was how he described it as being able to lethally hit two targets at different ranges in a 15-degree arc, inside 30 yards, made me literally laugh out loud.

I know the Jack Reacher series is supposed to be kinda good, and I thought Killing Floor was OK for a first novel, but lord, does his gun research get any better?


No. He doesn't know shit about guns. Otherwise, the books are very well written, IMO.


Sometimes, his gun info is dead-on. Other times, it's way off the mark. I don't understand it.

Another thing is that his depictions of military life are usually way off the mark, but in a way that makes the story more interesting, if that makes any sense. I enjoy the hell out of this series and don't let the inaccuracies bother me. I read for the plot and characters, not the technical info.
Josh  [Life Member]
9/23/2011 2:43:15 AM
Originally Posted By AvengeR15:

Originally Posted By Josh:
Originally Posted By Rugerlvr:
Well, my Kindle broke, so I finally finished my paper copy of Killing Floor by Lee Child.

I realize he's British, and probably doesn't know shit about guns, but his descriptions of the lethality of a 10-gauge shotgun were particularly bad. I think it was how he described it as being able to lethally hit two targets at different ranges in a 15-degree arc, inside 30 yards, made me literally laugh out loud.

I know the Jack Reacher series is supposed to be kinda good, and I thought Killing Floor was OK for a first novel, but lord, does his gun research get any better?


No. He doesn't know shit about guns. Otherwise, the books are very well written, IMO.


Sometimes, his gun info is dead-on. Other times, it's way off the mark. I don't understand it.

Another thing is that his depictions of military life are usually way off the mark, but in a way that makes the story more interesting, if that makes any sense. I enjoy the hell out of this series and don't let the inaccuracies bother me. I read for the plot and characters, not the technical info.


Yes, he doesn't have a great grasp of the military rank structure, military law, etc either.

I haven't yet seen anything he's written about guns that was even close to correct –– I haven't read all the books though.

I still like his writing –– he is a very good writer.
AvengeR15  [Team Member]
9/23/2011 9:27:14 AM

Originally Posted By Josh:

Yes, he doesn't have a great grasp of the military rank structure, military law, etc either.

I haven't yet seen anything he's written about guns that was even close to correct –– I haven't read all the books though.

I still like his writing –– he is a very good writer.


There is a long passage in Echo Burning about the HK P7 series which I really liked. It's been years sine I read it but it made me want to go out and buy one immediately.


SS109  [Team Member]
9/23/2011 9:36:36 AM
Originally Posted By Josh:
Originally Posted By AvengeR15:

Originally Posted By Josh:
Originally Posted By Rugerlvr:
Well, my Kindle broke, so I finally finished my paper copy of Killing Floor by Lee Child.

I realize he's British, and probably doesn't know shit about guns, but his descriptions of the lethality of a 10-gauge shotgun were particularly bad. I think it was how he described it as being able to lethally hit two targets at different ranges in a 15-degree arc, inside 30 yards, made me literally laugh out loud.

I know the Jack Reacher series is supposed to be kinda good, and I thought Killing Floor was OK for a first novel, but lord, does his gun research get any better?


No. He doesn't know shit about guns. Otherwise, the books are very well written, IMO.


Sometimes, his gun info is dead-on. Other times, it's way off the mark. I don't understand it.

Another thing is that his depictions of military life are usually way off the mark, but in a way that makes the story more interesting, if that makes any sense. I enjoy the hell out of this series and don't let the inaccuracies bother me. I read for the plot and characters, not the technical info.


Yes, he doesn't have a great grasp of the military rank structure, military law, etc either.

I haven't yet seen anything he's written about guns that was even close to correct –– I haven't read all the books though.

I still like his writing –– he is a very good writer.


It actually seems like he gets good gun info, but often he doesn't get all the info. It is like Obama, sounds intelligent until he goes off script.

I love one passage where Reacher thinks he can survive a few hits from a .38 Special out of a snubnose revolver and finish off the guy barehanded. This has probably happened in the past in real life, but I wouldn't try it as a fighting strategy.

And I can't believe they want to cast Cruise as Reacher. Will they hire dwarves to be his fighting opponents?


crazytuco  [Member]
9/23/2011 11:36:29 AM
The disconnect between accuracy with guns and competent authors who can tell a good story is something that keeps me out of non-scifi/fantasy fiction a lot of the time. It seems that most authors can either tell a good story, or they get their gun facts right. The guys who can do both is a damn short list. Larry Correia makes the list. I also think that Stephen Hunter's early stuff did both, though the later Bob Swagger stuff kinda went off the deep end.

I get that sometimes the guns aren't a big part of the story, so they don't get any research by the author, but there are some books where guns are a significant story element and the author seems to be totally ignorant of the weapons. Stephen King and his Gunslinger books come to mind. I would be shocked to the point of death to find out that Stephen King has ever even seen a damn gun in person.
Ohio_Bill  [Team Member]
9/23/2011 12:33:37 PM
This thread reminds me of a generic spy thriller I read many years ago. At some point one of the characters acquires a Browning HiPower, and the author describes it as one of the deadliest handguns ever made. Every time a bad guy gets hit with a round from it he practically explodes
SS109  [Team Member]
9/23/2011 2:03:34 PM
I once read a detective novel where the bad guy shot someone with a revolver but the brass cases wound up on the carpet. Must be on of thos special automatic extractor revolvers.

I also read about a mystery writers shoot sponsored by an outdoor gun range to give the authors some firearm experience. More writers need to attend these.
Darcy  [Team Member]
9/23/2011 2:41:48 PM
Go read some Vince Flynn. Much better than Child.


Flynn>Clancy>Child



Not that I Don't enjoy Child's story telling.
tommytrauma  [Team Member]
10/2/2011 4:33:05 PM
Originally Posted By crazytuco:
The disconnect between accuracy with guns and competent authors who can tell a good story is something that keeps me out of non-scifi/fantasy fiction a lot of the time. It seems that most authors can either tell a good story, or they get their gun facts right. The guys who can do both is a damn short list. Larry Correia makes the list. I also think that Stephen Hunter's early stuff did both, though the later Bob Swagger stuff kinda went off the deep end.

I get that sometimes the guns aren't a big part of the story, so they don't get any research by the author, but there are some books where guns are a significant story element and the author seems to be totally ignorant of the weapons. Stephen King and his Gunslinger books come to mind. I would be shocked to the point of death to find out that Stephen King has ever even seen a damn gun in person.


Marcus Wynne is another who can tell a good story *and* get weapons, tactics etc. right. Fair warning, his books will make you want to buy gear.

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Mak_380  [Team Member]
10/3/2011 5:07:04 PM
Originally Posted By crazytuco:
The disconnect between accuracy with guns and competent authors who can tell a good story is something that keeps me out of non-scifi/fantasy fiction a lot of the time. It seems that most authors can either tell a good story, or they get their gun facts right. The guys who can do both is a damn short list. Larry Correia makes the list. I also think that Stephen Hunter's early stuff did both, though the later Bob Swagger stuff kinda went off the deep end.

I get that sometimes the guns aren't a big part of the story, so they don't get any research by the author, but there are some books where guns are a significant story element and the author seems to be totally ignorant of the weapons. Stephen King and his Gunslinger books come to mind. I would be shocked to the point of death to find out that Stephen King has ever even seen a damn gun in person.


Don't ever read Patterson. His FBI agents keep taking the safety's off their Glock's, all the time.

I don't think he was the guy with the .762 rifle, but he might have been.
kingairpilot  [Member]
10/4/2011 6:06:47 AM
WEB Griffin is just as bad with gun stuff...but still an enjoyable read. HOWEVER, if I read one more time about the 7mm FN rifle with the broken stock being shot...I will puke.

ka

oh, for the most part, his aviation referrences are just as bad. In over 11,000 hours of flying, I have never encountered an airplane that had a "Wheels up and locked " light.

sheesh
Champion5  [Member]
10/4/2011 11:29:38 AM
Originally Posted By Darcy:
Go read some Vince Flynn. Much better than Child.


Flynn>Clancy>Child



Not that I Don't enjoy Child's story telling.


Now Tom Cruise would make a good Mitch Rapp....

I didn't even know that this forum had a book section. I've read all but Lee Child's last novel and have read most of Vince Flynn's. I like them both.

Correia  [Member]
10/4/2011 12:32:05 PM
I'm probably the only fantasy writer with a book on the NYT list that has a back cover blurb from Massad Ayoob. :D

I take pride in having my technical details right,(not just for guns, but for everything) and I'm a research dork, but even then I've managed to drop the ball and let errors in. Not on gun stuff, because I was a gun guy way before I was an author. Some of us care about that, some of don't.

A good friend of mine, Dan Wells, is a very successful horror novelist, but not a gun guy. He's writing a sci-fi novel now and he needed a team of very sharp mercenaries to pull off a couple of jobs. He knew that I was the resident gun expert, so he sent me a basic e-mail asking how I would tackle the following assignment and what kind of equipment/people I would need to do it.I sent him back like 4 pages of info, complete with links to various gear catalogs. The next thing I know, he just made me the villian. (it was easier for everyone that way) So my gun expertise has gotten me to where I'm no the bad guy in a Dan Wells' novel. I have the best job EVAR.

Dead Six was my first thriller, so on that one, we did a ton of research. Not just guns, but every other piece of equipment, and then I brought in a few experts as proofreaders to look at the tactics in each scene to make sure I wasn't doing anything stupid. (not to say that characters don't do stupid things, because such is life). One of my proofers is a LtCol Army SF, and gave me about pages and pages of feedback on the various action scenes, and I got a basic tutorial in how to overthrow a small 3rd world country. My coauthor is an EOD tech, so our explosives work is about as solid as you can get. I had an information security expert consult on hacking, a martial artist to help with the knife fight scene, you name it, I checked with an expert.

And when all was said and done, I still managed to make a technical mistake about how fire sprinklers work in large buildings. :D 99.99% of my readers won't notice, but man, that bugs me!
Angry-American  [Team Member]
10/16/2011 2:06:40 AM
REAMDE by Neal Stephenson




"clip" instead of mag or magazine, drove me fuckin nuts.

tommytrauma  [Team Member]
10/17/2011 4:02:22 PM
Originally Posted By Correia:
I'm probably the only fantasy writer with a book on the NYT list that has a back cover blurb from Massad Ayoob. :D

I take pride in having my technical details right,(not just for guns, but for everything) and I'm a research dork, but even then I've managed to drop the ball and let errors in. Not on gun stuff, because I was a gun guy way before I was an author. Some of us care about that, some of don't.

A good friend of mine, Dan Wells, is a very successful horror novelist, but not a gun guy. He's writing a sci-fi novel now and he needed a team of very sharp mercenaries to pull off a couple of jobs. He knew that I was the resident gun expert, so he sent me a basic e-mail asking how I would tackle the following assignment and what kind of equipment/people I would need to do it.I sent him back like 4 pages of info, complete with links to various gear catalogs. The next thing I know, he just made me the villian. (it was easier for everyone that way) So my gun expertise has gotten me to where I'm no the bad guy in a Dan Wells' novel. I have the best job EVAR.

Dead Six was my first thriller, so on that one, we did a ton of research. Not just guns, but every other piece of equipment, and then I brought in a few experts as proofreaders to look at the tactics in each scene to make sure I wasn't doing anything stupid. (not to say that characters don't do stupid things, because such is life). One of my proofers is a LtCol Army SF, and gave me about pages and pages of feedback on the various action scenes, and I got a basic tutorial in how to overthrow a small 3rd world country. My coauthor is an EOD tech, so our explosives work is about as solid as you can get. I had an information security expert consult on hacking, a martial artist to help with the knife fight scene, you name it, I checked with an expert.

And when all was said and done, I still managed to make a technical mistake about how fire sprinklers work in large buildings. :D 99.99% of my readers won't notice, but man, that bugs me!


So Larry, you have a great collection of toys, a decent understanding of how to overthrow a small country, and a heavily armed fan base. Chavez is in Cuba getting his oil changed.
Busy next weekend? A possible project comes to mind...
imabmwnut  [Member]
10/24/2011 10:44:52 PM
Lee Child is coming to a Library in our area. I bought tickets for me and my father to go listen to him. We get a autographed book food and drink for 50$ a ticket. Ive read all of the Reacher series and I really like the books........I'm excited!
AvengeR15  [Team Member]
10/25/2011 11:40:16 AM

Originally Posted By imabmwnut:
Lee Child is coming to a Library in our area. I bought tickets for me and my father to go listen to him. We get a autographed book food and drink for 50$ a ticket. Ive read all of the Reacher series and I really like the books........I'm excited!

Awesome! If he was anywhere near me, I would definitely attend. I went to a book signing by Peter Abrahams (also writes as Spencer Quinn) a couple of months ago, and it was very fun.
liljim11  [Team Member]
10/27/2011 1:18:39 AM

Originally Posted By imabmwnut:
Lee Child is coming to a Library in our area. I bought tickets for me and my father to go listen to him. We get a autographed book food and drink for 50$ a ticket. Ive read all of the Reacher series and I really like the books........I'm excited!

If you get the chance ask him on what freakin' bizarro world Tom Cruise is Jack Reacher... they'll have to cast oompa loompas for the rest of the cast if they want to be true to the books with Cruise playing him.


Idiots
helogene  [Team Member]
10/27/2011 1:27:26 AM
Originally Posted By liljim11:

Originally Posted By imabmwnut:
Lee Child is coming to a Library in our area. I bought tickets for me and my father to go listen to him. We get a autographed book food and drink for 50$ a ticket. Ive read all of the Reacher series and I really like the books........I'm excited!

If you get the chance ask him on what freakin' bizarro world Tom Cruise is Jack Reacher... they'll have to cast oompa loompas for the rest of the cast if they want to be true to the books with Cruise playing him.


Idiots


In there world where Hollywood/Tom Cruise throws Lee Child HUGE FRICKING BAGS OF MONEY.......

That's where!

Everyone's a whore.....Are you a $20 hooker, or a 10K a night one.....
Rocksarge  [Team Member]
10/27/2011 1:44:39 AM
I won't waste my time with Tom Cruise as Jack. Fuck that noise.


I would like to see Matthew Fox possibly as Reacher.
Correia  [Member]
11/1/2011 8:45:20 PM
Trust me. The author doesn't get any say in who plays who in the movie.

True story. Before I sold the rights to Monster Hunter to Entertainment One (the folks that do the Walking Dead on AMC) I had a meeting with some other Hollywood people from a studio that will remain unnamed. They thought it would be totally awesome to have Toby Maguire play my main character, who is a 6'5" 300 pound half-Tongan MMA fighter and 3gunner. (though I did really like the idea of Jeff Bridges as Earl)

As a writer, once you sell the rights your opinion doesn't matter. Just cash the gigantic checks and try not to think about it too hard.
AvengeR15  [Team Member]
11/1/2011 9:05:31 PM

Originally Posted By Correia:
Trust me. The author doesn't get any say in who plays who in the movie.

True story. Before I sold the rights to Monster Hunter to Entertainment One (the folks that do the Walking Dead on AMC) I had a meeting with some other Hollywood people from a studio that will remain unnamed. They thought it would be totally awesome to have Toby Maguire play my main character, who is a 6'5" 300 pound half-Tongan MMA fighter and 3gunner. (though I did really like the idea of Jeff Bridges as Earl)

As a writer, once you sell the rights your opinion doesn't matter. Just cash the gigantic checks and try not to think about it too hard.


Larry;

I just finished MH Alpha and can't wait for the next in the series. I also ordered the first two Hard Magic novels and they are on the way as of yesterday from Amazon. Love your work.

I went to a signing by Peter Abrahams not too long ago, and one of his books was adapted into the movie 'The Fan' with Robert Deniro and Wesley Snipes. His only comment was 'the less said about that film, the better'. Do writers who cast a large shadow get more influence in how their books are adapted to film? Cormac McCarthy, for instance, or Stephen King? If you don't mind, could you talk about the process involved in selling the film rights? Highs and lows? Lessons learned? I am assuming you have to be tight-lipped for some aspects of it, but I would be interested in anything you have to say about it.

ETA: I've been envisioning Stephen Lang (COL Quaritch in Avatar) as Earl Harbinger from page one. I know he is older than the mid-40s that Earl appears to be, but other than that he's got everything Earl's got in spades.