post your offhand 25 yard pistol groups

I can't do much better than this.

I wanna see what ya'lls guns are capable of

Offhand at 25 yds Id be lucky if i could hit the Target. For some reason my pistol skills have took a turn for the worse along with my eye sight sucks when front and rear sights get all blurry. BTW op looks like a good group to me.

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I always read about 2-2.5" groups. It just seems impossible to me.

.5" groups uphill in 5 feet of snow on a treadmill.

I can with my MKII target 6" barell with a bushnell sight. It took me quite a lot of shooting to be able to do it though, practicing up for bullseye shooting.

With any other gun? Nope! Takes a LOT of practice!

If I go out and shoot a off hand group at 1 in the morning, I will really piss the neighbors off, plus get to meet the local law enforcement officer on duty!

can i ding a 45% reduced IPSC at 25yd fast? ding ding ding ding ding

Offhand at 25 yards I'm lucky to get an 18" group with no fliers.

In before the BS artists.

If I'm lucky its an 8 inch "group" with my Glock 19 and I shoot it very often.

"group," "pattern," whatever.

Are you using a white line hold or center mass? For bullseye you may want to try 6 o clock white line. It'll give you a more consistent sight picture.

Center mass hold. It's a self defense pistol. Full size though.

Not really apples and apples.... If 1" groups at 25 is what you seek you'll have focus on every aspect of shooting fundementals. Youre essentially trying to repeat all variables exactly the same so as to only allow the inherent shortfalls of the weapon to effect group size. A 6 oclock white line hold will really tighten up the groups.

For combat marksmanship i use a rule of 6". Thats to say my goal is to keep all shots within a 6" circle at any distance ( within the capability of the weapon). After that its a function of speed.

I would consider what youre achieving now an acceptable group at 25 from the draw, 2 sec or less.

Ammo counts too. You may want to switch that up and see what happens.

At 25 YARDS? Generally for most people, yes, that would be asking too much, and the shooting behaviors you're applying to get that tight of a group at that distance ...specifically slow fire...aren't combat realistic

You should be firing at 25 yards to know where your shots are hitting, but don't beat yourself up to get pinpoint accuracy in combat scenarios

These days it sounds like a stretch but back in the 70s that is how we were trained at Virginia DOC.

A one-handed hold with your off-hand on your belt/hip with a revolver at a bull at 25 yards.

It was timed and you had to keep your rounds in the black. You would be surprised at some of the respectiable group sizes those old fixed sight Colts and S&Ws turned out. Different times.

Sigh....To have young eyes again.

That's about where I am at. They all end up within an IDPA silhouette.

NRA PPC Match 4:

6 reload 6 (12) in 35 seconds
(repeat = 24 rounds)
Standing Unsupported
25 yards

Look at drills like the 200 or the humbler. You need to be able to push 2.5 inch groups to do well on those.

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Shit most kids shoot an AR like that at 25 yards.

Best I could do is keeping my shots onto a 9" paper plate with a Glock 19. Hope to improve a little and do it faster.

It's going to be highly dependant on what kind of gun I'm using.
If I'm shooting a buckmark with an aimpoint my groups are a LOT smaller than if I'm shooting a glock with irons.

So post both.

Mine is with an old g17. I have never tried my buckmark. Maybe today I will.

I don't save targets, but I usually shoot an 810-820 out of 900 in NRA Bullseye with an off-the-shelf Ruger MkIII.

I guess I can shoot some targets today and take some pictures if you really want, but I'm really not that good. At least not with the gun I have.

This guy gets it.

I never will forget when I had to shoot like that. They gave me a new in the box 6" Colt New Police, made me clean it, and to the range we went.

I had never shot a .38 much except for Dad's service revolver (Model 10) but Dad had taught me right on my old High Standard Sentinel .22 so I was able to hold my own with the old guys. If memory serves all shooting was done at 25 yards, double action only.

Heck, some of the Sgts and above who could carry stubbies were planting them in the black with no problem at 25 yards. Those guys could shoot. I saw one guy try a two-handed hold and was fussed at by the instructor.

Not very practical by today's standards I guess but going forward it sure was a confidence builder to know you could do it.

DOC still has you shooting unsupported at 5 to 25 yards DA but at a larger silhouette target with a two handed hold.....Meh.

The .22s are a lot eaisier to shoot accurately for me. I suppose it's the dreaded "anticipating the recoil".

Somewhere between 2.5-3" and "broad side of a barn". It depends on the day.

I can keep them centre of mass on a standard silhouette target.

That's about what I can do when I've been practicing regularly with an accurate pistol and handloads. Otherwise, they don't look like that.

When you read about 2.5" groups, were they fired from a rest or support?

Bulls-eye shooting is what most Swedish shooters start with since pretty much every pistol club competes in it. It's shot at 25 meters, single-handed and in 5-shot groups.

I spent a few years doing IPSC and PPC, but in the last year I've mostly gone back to bulls-eye and my groups are gradually getting down in size. With the S&W 41 I can easily shoot about a 4" group but with the centre-fire pistols I'm not nearly as good.

These people are:

1) lying
2) bracing or bench resting in some way
3) using target sights or scope, not a standard 3 dot iron sight

Offhand at 25yds I'm tickled to hit paper honestly. Something I need to work on for sure.

Op I shoot about 2"- 2.5" at 7 yards.

25 yds. = Keep it on paper (8.5x11)

I shot at 100 yards with my G19 and landed 2 out of 15 on an 8.5x11.

I did see some odd long distance guy at the range one time. He had some old long barrel pistol, maybe a 1911. He would put one round in at a time and raise it slowly with one hand and he consistently made hits on 8.5x11 at 100 yds. He seemed very odd though.

Therein lies the root of the problem. The body's involuntary urge to tense up at the moment of the shot. It takes sweat equity to work that out of your system. Can you stay perfectly relaxed while you watch somebody punch you in the jaw? Same thing.

I usually toss my NRA b-16's but I can shoot 25 yard slow fire all day long with about 3" groups.

This. Except I was taught 8", any weapon, any distance.

25 yard offhand, I run about 70% within that standard.




Best drill I have found for improving shooting at that distance is having a buddy place a empy cartridge case on your front sight post while you have weapon mounted and on target. Swueeze the trigger and keep the cartridge case balanced through trigger reset. Really helped me see that I tended to slap the trigger in normal shooitng.

Offhand at 25 yrds

I actually hit a man sized silhouette with some kid's S&W .500 once at 25yrds (both hands) and impressed him and his buddies. I declined the offer to shoot it a second time as I know it was pretty much luck

I generally keep it on a paper plate at the 25ft range with my 1911 or MK1, but I seldom shoot at 25yds...so I'm gonna say I'd be lucky to keep half on paper, offhand at that distance



Speed

I don't really shoot for groups. But I can keep them all on a silhouette target at 25 yrds. Good enough for me.

Just a note, Progressive lenses make for MUCH better groups over bifocals.

The only 25 yd target pic I have.

I saw someone else post something similar to this yesterday and I'm the same way. It seems everything is being geared towards speed and hits versus tiny groups of holes. Do any pistol competitions focus on accuracy as opposed to speed anymore?

NRA Bullseye.

As Swede pointed out, in Europe, most pistol shooting is bullseye shooting at 25 meters, standing one-handed. In the club I trained in while we lived in Germany, there were people who could probably shoot that almost every day, because that was the ONLY shooting they ever did, and they had learned to shoot that way. I learned to shoot that way when I was about 12, and that's the only way I shot for years.

But, keep in mind, these are people shooting Haemmerli and Walther .22 target pistols, with adjustable sights, competition grips, etc. After years and years of training that every time you shoot, you'd be surprised at how small the groups can get.

I had a funny experience when I bought myself a 1911 and went to shoot at a range in St. Louis for the first time. Because it's the only way I knew how to shoot, I ran the target out to 25 yards, and started shooting one-handed standing. When I got the target back in, I looked at it and though "holy shit I suck" - and then noticed there were a bunch of people looking at me, and they all started to tell me how amazing my shooting was!

For a "service" pistol like a regular glock with a normal trigger and standard sights, I agree that it would probably be next to impossible - but with proper target pistols and training, it is eminently possible - so while most internet claims probably are just internet bragging, they don't all have to be.

Could I do it now? Fuck no! It's been 20 years since I've shot that way, and I don't have a good target pistol. But, if I got my hands on my mom's Haemmerli 208, and I have a year or two to get back into shooting form - I might be able to do it.

I can hit a man size target at 25 yds. But hopefully he will be a big man

One hand 25 yards with my carry pistol:



One hand 25 yards:



It's not hard. You just have to practice with a purpose and practice often just like any other sport.

Looks like one of my targets. I have one match #3 (50 yd) with one 9, the rest 10s & Xs. But that was with a 6" bull barrel target gun with Bo-Mar rib. And that was a while ago. Doubt I could come close to that now. I kinda miss shooting those matches. Thanks for the memories.

Item 1: lying? Just because YOU can't shoot accurately you feel everyone can't?
Item 2: benching ( aka another form of lying by omission) ..see above
Item 3: using scopes? See item 1 above.

Contrary to the belief of many if you go to a bullseye match you'll find shooters who regularly shoot 2-3" 5 shot groups at 25 yds unsupported. You'll likely find a couple that shoot groups in the 1.5" region. A select few will shoot 4" groups at 50 yards.

I've never been at that skill level sadly. These days with my eyesight I consider myself doing 'OK' if I hold 4" groups at 25 yds shooting 2 handed. I don't consider it 'good' by any reasonable standard. It's just 'OK'.

If you hold 'minute of combat silhouette' as your standard of excellence then that's as good as you'll ever be. If you set your standards higher than what your comfort level is, then you can achieve more than that. Especially if you have good eyesight there's no excuse except lazyness for miserable groups.

I'm a little computer inept so if someone will point me to how to post pics I'll go out tonight or tomorrow and shoot some groups and post the results good or bad.
Sorry for sounding cranky but this is a topic that pushes my buttons.

25 yards, standing, weaver stance.

Home made 1911

Well now, this comment is just fucking stupid. You have entire shooting matches where a 6" group does not even put you in the top 50%. It's not faked and it's not impossible.


One thing though, with the popularity of all this action pistol stuff, precision bullseye shooters are a dying breed. the participants at the matches are getting older all the time.
About the only young guys you see anymore are the various Army MTU shooters.


BTW: I shoot NRA .22 with a stock Colt Huntsman. Fixed sights there were cutting edge field sights in the 50's.

My thoughts exactly!

You don't get into the olympics shooting 2.0-2.5" groups. You've got to be much better. Just like you don't get to be a pro golfer by buying a set of clubs and playing twice a month. No... Before turning pro, a pro golfer has hit tens of thousands of balls on the driving range and spent thousands of hours on the course learning the intricacies of playing the game.

Why is it then a shooter will buy a pistol fire it a couple times a month, more to make noise than to develop skill, and think everyone else can't do what they can't do?

I think this one was at 20. It's been a while.

There you go, doubters... If that was at 20 yards, even when extrapolated out to 25 yards it's still an under 2.0" group.

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