Sucessfully removed wheat from all our preparations.

Since we found out our daughter is highly allergic to wheat, I did some research. Much to my chagrin and surprise, I came across www.wheatbellyblog.com and started reading it.

Let me preface by saying I found out last year that I was type two diabetic. I have done everything that the doctors have told me to: diet, exercise and medication. They had me up to 2500mg of metformin to help keep my blood sugar in check. When I got diagnosed it was 574. Doing everything the doc said, I still could not get below 220.

Fast forward - three weeks after eliminating wheat from our diet - our whole family that is - my blood sugar is hovering between 120 and 140. WITHOUT ANY MEDICATION.

Wheat is POISON. It will destroy you - albeit slowly, but it is VERY bad for you. We've been lied too all our lives with the "food pyramid" - the base should be proteins with the top grains. Not the other way around. We all feel great!

We eat meat and veggies with small amounts of cornbread and rice on occaision.

GLIADIN Protein - it's the enemy. Also avoid GMO EVERYTHING. I'm certain most here know this, but just in case.

It really put a dent in our LTS stores, but we will double up on beans and rice.

CHECK EVERY LABEL FOR INGREDIANTS - THEY PUT WHEAT IN EVERYTHING! Jiffy corn muffin mix: WHEAT FLOUR in it. SOY SAUCE: WHEAT in many of them!

I found it rather ironic that our SURVIVAL FOOD STORES contribute to the destruction of our HEALTH!

YMMV>

Good luck all!

This is gospel.

Lots of farm raised meat without hormones and lots of organic, non gmo veggies and you can eat damn near as much as you want and not get over weight or unhealthy (with moderate exercise).

.Edit: they also put corn syrup in everything and almost all the corn syrup IS gmo = poison

That's good to know. Thanks for sharing. It's a hard change and I have had to change my diet also of wheat
problems.

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Nice job!

I have a low carb diet which precludes all wheat products. I always feel much better when I'm on it than eating the "standard" American diet.

Most people have been convinced that grass should be the main staple in your diet. And that eating fats will make you gain fat.

Not to wear my tin foil too tight, but look at the food pyramid and then consider what you would want someone to eat it you wanted them to be fat and logey.

Yeah.... OK...
MMV

ETA: White rice is not good for you either...
Hope you are storing brown rice only

ETA: Just found a website that proclaims corn is bad for you also.
ditch the cornbread.

My wife has a gluten intolerance so we're a split household. I eat gluten/ wheat except for meals I make for the two of us. Wheat isn't the devil, however the high producing wheat hybrid created in the 50s or 60s also makes a significantly higher amount of gluten and gliaden than non-hybrid crops. The real problem, in my opinion, is the amount of white flour, starches and crap people stuff into their faces. Not sure if you've noticed, but the food pyramid no longer exists; it's been replaced by a pie chart.



The .gov also recommends at least 50% whole grains - not white bread, not white rice. Note Doritos and Little Debbie Snack cakes don't appear anywhere.

More people have problems with gluten nowadays and I personally attribute a significant part of the problem to GM wheat seeds and processed grains. Like everything else, wheat should be eaten in moderation.

Ok, share. Gliadin is unique to wheat.. Other grains may be bad for you if consumed TOO much, however taken in small qtys its much better than wheat in any qty....

The .gov is WRONG. Wheat in any form is BAD for you. Read wheatbellyblog.com and look at the studies that date back to the 1960s.... Gliadin bonds to the morphine receptors in your brain, causes you to eat more. 400 calories more per day min. I causes a dependance, spikes BG levels and adds the belly fat. Wheat is the ENEMY> It's poison. Eat at your own risk. Gluton free foods that are processed are equally bad for you and your family. Look at the processed starches. Any processed starches will do the same thing in the body that wheat will. Doctor Davis on Wheatbellyblog.com explains it all if you choose to read and learn.

THIS IS NOT ANOTHER FAD. You can choose to belive or choose to poison your family with wheat. The ONUS is on you at this point.

Regards,
83rdrecon

I am not a dietician and don't claim to be a doctor....

If you or any family members are gluten intolerant,
I am sorry and meant no offense.

I have read through the wheatbelly blog and also googled several supporting websites.
All offer to let me buy his book for a reduced price - which I thought was nice.

A lot of the websites define what they are calling "wheat' as actually refined white flour...
not fresh ground flour from whole wheat berries.
I agree - white flour is crap.

From what i could see, lots of meat, fish and vegetables..... hard to tell, most sites want to sell me the book.
It looks to be very similar to the paleo diet.

While I agree that 10,000yrs ago our ancestors did not eat wheat.
I have never seen any evidence that they were any healthier than we are - they lived to be around the ripe age of 30.
And I know our lifestyles are totally different.

If cutting out wheat works for you, great.
Personally, I lost a lot of weight and felt a lot better by cutting out high fat foods.

I had friends eating hamburgers wrapped in bacon and tossing the buns...... (Adkins)
I gave up the hamburgers and bacon and lost weight by eating tuna fish sandwiches with the buns.

For the 99% of us who don't take morphine, why do we care if the morphine receptors are bound up? it might suck if I sufered some traumatic injury.

If this guy is really on to something, why would he post it on his blog site instead of in say JAMA, where doctors all over the works could learn then wheat is posion. It's like inventing a prepertual motion machine. There is a Nobel prize and millions of dollars waiting for the inventor yet they post to the internet on some forum they control instead of risking expert criticsm.

One would wonder why this problem popped up just in the last century instead of in the 9000 previous years where wheat (but whole wheat) was a greater part of many people's diet. I'm sure it wouldn't have anything to do with overeating, white flour/rice, obesity, and the huge increase in sugar consumption.

your family has bad genetics, that is the problem


millions of people eat the stuff but you cant, so its bad, yeah okay

Genetics> fad diets/fad sceince

Damn hippies. Leave your wheat by the curb when the zombies come. I'll gladly take it.

Wow man. Sounds like you could actually use some morphine. I had read that blog a really long time ago and quite frankly, it's just another schmo trying to sell a book. I agree there are some thought provoking items, but nothing to make me drop everything and turn my caps lock on. Once there are some actual published studies, clinical trials, etc, i'll take a look again. And yes, the .gov is wrong on a lot of stuff. Can't really dispute that. I will however, continue to poison myself with red meat (omg!), wheat (you covered that link), dairy, vegetables and fruit, and use my cell phone.

Meh .......

To much of anything is bad for you.
I'm not convinced wheat is poison but large quantities i do believe help make / keep you fat.

I'm not an expert on any of this but i know for a fact changing how and what you eat will make a huge difference in how your body performs.
I've lost 51lbs in the last two months ~3 weeks now.

I will never go back to eating the quantities of wheat products i was.

I equate it to bourbon nothing wrong with a little bit now and then.......as a main staple to provide life it might not be the best choice long term.

Good for you.

But that is a very powerful statement.......POISON

Wheat may be problematic for some. And fat for others along with sugar...etc the list goes on.

You cannot even remotely compare wheat to other poisons, such as arsenic or other heavy metals, that actually DO harm all individuals who are exposed to it. Civilizations have been eating wheat for tens of thousands of years.

You realize you posted this defamatory statement in the survival forum, where I bet the cumulative total of wheat stored (by members) exceeds many thousands of tons.

I honestly don't believe any of that crap

Poison?! Common now

I feel great when I am eating whole wheat. I am kind of a health nut and have been into it for many years. I have never had any weight gain from eating wheat.

In all honesty it sounds like you were getting too many carbs in your daily diet. Now that you cut a lot of that out, you feel better and your blood sugar went down. Makes sense. That will

happen when when people eat too many carbs in their diet.

Wheat sucks.

I had much the same experience.

No more wheat for us.

I knew I wasn't crazy when I hated eating sandwiches on whole grain bread.

I think some of you may find a little information about Millet interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millet

http://chetday.com/millet.html

http://bodyecology.com/articles/millet_nutrition_benefits_uses.php

http://www.goldenprairieinc.com/millet-nutrition.html

http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/5702/2

Hey if I could not take the heat then I would not have posted it.

My wife is and has been a health nut california "salad head" all her life. She is in shape and always has been. Since we have gone wheat free she has noticed a dramatic improvement in how she feels.

The "wheat berries" you have stored are more than likely GMO wheat.
Eat at your own risk.

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Wheat is not poison for everyone.

Those questions are valid indeed. I wonder how much profit would be lost by the drug manufacturers?

GMO grain did not exist until the last 50 years or so. Whole wheat is actually worse for bg levels than straight sugar. 150 years ago in this country we did not eat all the processed foods and nowhere near as much bread or meat.

To me its just more like back to basic farm life circa 1860. Peas, potatoes, veggies, eggs and maybe some meat two to three times a week.


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Really? How did you deduce that? Lol. Type 2 diabites is rampant nowdays. I am not obese by any means. Stress of a bad divorce is the best we can figure help trigger it in me as well as poor eating habits. Yep. Whole wheat everything. No soda. Little meat. Bananas and grapes.

My daughter is highly allergic to dogs cats grass and a few other things as well. Many people have allegies. She may grow out of it. I have no allergies and neither does my wife nor anyone we know of in our family. Bad genetics? I suppose one could argue that. I guess that would help explain why there are so many stupid people out there as well! Lol

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Guys,

Just try it for a month and see for yourselves. You don't need to buy any books to test the waters. I'm not going to lie, grains are hard to quit, but its only 30 days.

OP- Good job! I honestly believe our grain rich diets are responsible for most diseases. I love this quote from Mark Sisson- "Live long. Drop dead."

Since this hasn't been moved to a general discussion forum yet, I'll temper my response.

People ate more wheat flour in the 1800s. (citation) Not sure if this is in any means relevant to the discussion at hand, but you are incorrect.

Eat what you want, but pseudo-science posing as fact doesn't belong in a technical forum IMO.

Seriously,

besides my mother and grandmother,
who would have ever thought that eating lots of vegetables would help you lose weight and feel better?

They should have written a book.

ETA: Although,
my grandparents lived in Florida and I remember them trying to kill me by making me eat grapefruit for breakfast.

Without trying to display science that I barely understand myself, I will suggest that everyone look at the book 'Primal Blueprint'. It discusses the reasons and the science behind why all of the grains that began being harvested about 10,000 years ago are foreign to our digestive abilities. We evolved over a series of millions of years as hunter-gathers that eat tree nuts, leafy vegetables, fruit, and flesh of animals. Our bodies are not adapted to eating grains and refined sugars. The amount of time that has elapsed over the 10,000 since we moved to for communities and perform agriculture is insignificant time when taken in the context of biological evolution.

Read this book:



http://www.amazon.com/The-Primal-Blueprint-Reprogram-effortless/dp/0982207700

In the simplest description of what happens when living on a diet of grains (even whole grains) and refined sugars, our muscles take as many of the carbohydrates (the glucose for energy) as they possible can use when we ingest the grains (and sugars), then our bodies overproduce insulin to flush the rest from our system. This accounts for the cycle of energy, then sluggishness, then hunger again; every few hours. Your body becomes adapted to getting its sugar needs from your starchy meal then then has to dispose of the rest of the sugar. Over time, our overworked glandular system becomes insulin resistance from the never ending cycle of glucose-insulin-glucose. When we stop having the ability to produce our own insulin (and a bunch of other things we need to do but can't because we over worked our systems), we become susceptible to 'diseases of civilization' like diabetes, heart disease, disabled joints, etc. We also gain weight and become much more immobile. our fattness does not come from fat, it comes from refined sugars and starchy carbohydrates, even if they are 'low in fat'.

I changed to a 100% paleo lifestyle several months ago after having dabbled with it for a year on and off. My energy is through the rough, I do not get hungry, and I reliably loose excess weight every week. You can learn more here: http://www.marksdailyapple.com. I recommend you sign up for the newsletter - for the first four or five days you will get an email a day that summarizes these findings without buying the book.

As to the subject at hand, I have retained the wheat berries in my preps because they will last forever. They are an insurance policy. If my choice is to feed bread to my family or nothing, we will eat bread. I also maintain my stores of beans and my rice, but I don't eat those on a daily basis, either. We love all those foods, but they are not paleo (note: there is some disagreement among paleo 'people' about beans legumes) and sometimes rice (grain); but there is no disagreement about wheat flour and refined sugars - eat meat and leafy vegetables). When we have to use our preps, I can imagine performing significant physical activities where the carbo-overload will be welcome and not discarded by insulin in our bodies.

Keep the wheat for long term because it will last forever. It is cheap insurance. Ditch the wheat from your daily lives for good health and a strong body for what is coming.

Agreed, but then you dont follow the rule of eat waht you store and store what you eat, and that stash ends up being something yo throw away eventually becuase you dont include it in your diet.
What I do is include lots of canned food. It may be shunned by hardore long term hoarders, but its stuff that eat everyday and still lasts several years. I particularly like food in glass jars with no additives.
Sometimes you cant get arround metal cans, but I try going for glass whenver possible.
FerFAL

Who could have imagined eliminating processed foods, eating fresh fruits, vegetables, nuts and unprocessed meats would make someone feel better?

Cohort- Great summary. Ive learned a lot from MDA. You're correct about 10000 years being a drop in the bucket. Another thing we need to remember is that evolution is generally considered a success when an organism reproduces. Therefore our bodies will never evolve to tolerate our relatively modern grain rich diet because we reach reproductive maturity well before the consequences of grains take hold.

I am not going to go so far as to say that wheat is poision, but I do lose a lot of weight and feel great when I cut way back on the carbs/glycemic load.

My wife recently was diagnosed as gluten intolerant, so I need to rework all of my storage. I probably have a ton of wheat in #10 cans in my basement.

I was reading a book recently (1493) and it was talking about different diets. Apparently a diet that works very well, providing almost all of the nutrients you need, is milk and potatoes. One big advantage that milk/potatoes has over wheat or rice/beans is that, at least in powdered form, it requires very little fuel to prepare. I think I am going to try and make milk & potatoes, rather than rice & beans, the primary staple in our storage plans.

Primal lifestyle?



They were hunter-gathers, eating raw vegetables, living off the land, no electricity

Meh. You do what you want and I'll do what i want. There is no way in hell I'm going to implement a major change in my diet based on the say so of an obscure website. Everybody has an agenda of one form or another and I am curious about theirs.

I have Marks book on my Nook. Download the nook app on your computer or phone and send me a PM. I'll loan you The Primal Blueprint.

You really don't have to send it to me, but thanks.
Seems in a nutshell what ya'll are calling the "primal lifestyle" includes:

adopt as much as possible a Paleo diet:
lots of meat, fish, vegetables and fruit, while avoiding most forms of food not in existence in paleolithic time. It implies avoiding all processed food, and in particular junk food. It also stresses avoiding high carbohydrate vegetables that have been recently created; mostly, avoiding wheat.

exercise frequently, but with a variety of durations and intensities (including rest periods) rather than doing always the same, extended routines in a gym or while jogging
perform a variety of complex "natural movements", such as walking, running, jumping, crawling, climbing, carrying, throwing, swimming..., rather than artificially constrained exercises (like those afforded by most gym equipment)

maximize contact with nature, e.g. by keeping plants, gardening, working with animals, hiking in the woods, or climbing trees (as also proposed by the biophilia philosophy)

use a minimum of clothes, shoes or other protective material: exposure to heat, cold, pressure, and other natural forces strengthens rather than weakens the body

expose yourself regularly to the sun or at least to natural light, to get sufficient vitamin D and prevent depression

try to sleep at least 8 hours a day, preferably in line with natural day-night rhythms

spend sufficient time relaxing, playing, and just "being in the present", without worrying about later

reduce overall levels of stress; avoid overworking in favor of downshifting and simple living

allow contact with "dirt": soil contains plenty of beneficial bacteria that strengthen immunity. Eat fermented foods like sauerkraut, kim chi, kombucha, etc.

rear children like hunter-gatherers do: extended breast-feeding, carrying of babies on the body, co-sleeping, while allowing children to play and explore autonomously

sit with legs level with rear end (essentially, in the squatting position). Raising legs somewhat is also advice given by mainstream medical practitioners to avoid Deep Vein Thrombosis and to increase circulation in those at risk from such concerns. This squatting position is how indigenous tribes, poorer people in unwesternized regions of the world, and all other primates (and indeed many other mammals like cats and dogs) not only sit, but also defecate.

I could be wrong, but doing all the things listed above would probably lead to a healthier person even if you kept eating wheat.
Besides being fat, most of the "diseases" supposedly caused by eating wheat (aches, pains, arthritis, alzheimers, heart desease) might also be explained by the fact that paleolithic man only lived to about 30.

Read the book.

Everybody's body handles wheat and/or processed and refined foods differently, but the OP is right.

My wife has literally chnged her life being gluten free and i, myself just from being a passive participant have lost another 10 lbs just being "gluten-lite" It is a difficult balance and more difficult to buy fresh food than to be able to use what's stored, but there is no argument that fresh food and a balanced diet of protein (meat) fats and vegetables with a minor amount of grains is really really good for you.

It's way less conducive to long-term prepping, so many here won't accept the fact. But, for some like the OP and my wife, what is the use of prepping to store grains when they make you feel like hell 24/7. That's not survival, my friends. The plan to prep for fresh foods is much more difficult, but if that's what you must do, then you alter the plan.

Well, when I joined the army I began every day eating biscuits covered in sausage gravy and a bowl of grits.
Never had more energy or been in better shape in my life.

I am convinced it was diet related,
I doubt it had anything to do with getting up at 5am and running 3-4miles everyday.

Wheat is not the debil and is not killin yo babies.

Listen, maybe not your babies, but to some it makes all the difference in the world. No need to mock the OP. Just congratulate him, bake some bread and go about your business. Living gluten free isn't easy. It's hard. But to some it is the difference between their body working and not working.

I ate the same thing. Everyday. And an omelet made by a guy with a GED. Cooked on a griddle with hydrogenated oils. With the gravy on top of the whole thing. For 12 years. Then something predictable happened when I stopped running 4 miles every Mon/Wed/Fri and road marching on Thursdays. My body started storing the excess carbohydrates as fat. When you burn the glucose through chronic cardio, many of the bad things don't happen, including the over production of insulin because you burned the glucose. When we eat meats and leafy vegetables (and tree nuts), while foregoing grains and added sugars, our bodies know how to regulate our hunger and mass without chronic cardio and also without the insulin spikes to clear out the dangerous levels of glucose in the bloodstream.

Once you become accustomed to the American 'farmers diet' of excessive carbohydrates and refined sugars, this lifestyle is like magic. Never feel like you are starving and eat when you want. Eat until you aren't hungry anymore. As long as you make the right food choices, your body does the rest. And after a big meal, you never have that 'thanksgiving day' feeling of wanting to crawl under the couch to nap because you are not over producing insulin. All because you have detoxed yourself from the carbo-insulin-carbo cycle. And let's be clear, the chronic cardio year after year has its own price to pay on wearing us down (I KNOW you know what I'm talking about) - the right foods give us the energy and the benefits without the wear and tear on the undercarriage.

I do really wish you would read the book. It feels like I am trying to discuss the punchline with someone who hasn't heard the joke. Read the book. It does a very compelling job of explaining the why's and what's much better than I can. I am a foodie and I love food; 'giving up' some of my favorites is still a challenge sometimes (someone brought a box of Panera bagels to work the other day - that was a tough morning). But in sum total, I have given up nothing because I have gained so much more than what I have chosen to live without.

Read the book. It is well written and interesting. It does a much better job than I can. I am just some guy on the internet. It is a really good book.

I have no doubt that it is a good book.
I have looked into the paleo diet and the wheat belly diet.

If they work for you, fine.
There is certainly nothing unhealthy about either diet.

But don't tell me my bowl of cream of wheat cereal is killing me.

If thats you in your avatar then you ARE Obese. If not then post a pic. People that read into fad culture or want to blame something else never look deep enough to find the true defect, themselves.

I see fat-asses all the time now that I'm back in the south and it disgust me. People have lost pride in themselves and want to blame ,fast food, manufactures, this and that, and everyone else but themselves.

I believe in the power of the strong body and strong mind, blaming some made up "thing" is just and excuse.

Though the delivery may be a bit harsh I agree with most of this.

I get it all the time being a vegetarian. It works for me and I don't care what other people do. But I can't help but laugh at the obese fat asses that have the nerve to tell me how unhealthy my diet is...Really you fat fuck, lets go for a run and discuss it.

Is diet important? I say yes but not a fraction as important as lifestyle. If all you do is sit on your ass don't blame the wheat, red meat, corn syrup, or whatever for your problems. (though corn syrup is the devil)

If you feel like shit because of your diet then maybe eat better but also sign up to do a half marathon or a century on a bike three or four months from now. Commit to doing it,train to get ready and usually 90% of your problems go away.

But to outright "warn" us that it's poison and will destroy us is just a tad over the top, don't you think?

Trust me, when you find out that something so integral to your life and which was a part of everything you ever consumed, an ingredient in all your favorite things has actually been killing you or your family, it is something you want to evangelize about.

At first the notion was so foreign that I thought it was insanity. It took me years to come around, even knowing that I had a family history of Celiac disease. I wish that I had someone around who could have given me a push. It would have saved me years of joint pain and bloating, and other uncomfortable maladies. It would have saved my first 3 kids from experiencing belly aches and crying when using the toilet.

Sustaining life in the face of adversity is what this forum is about. If someone here discovered that another product in your stores did that did not do that and posted about it, say bad O2 absorbers or a poison in mylar or a taggant in your gunpowder that decayed and ruined your powder, you'd be thankful. I know that someone here who reads this is questioning why their guts and joints always hurt, why no amount of coffee wakes them up in the morning and possibly why their kid has a nasty rash or cries themselves to sleep at night.

Sorry, but junk science and kooky websites with crazy claims have no place in the SF.

Do folks have wheat allergies? Sure. Should they get rid of wheat? Yup. Avoidance is the key for food allergies and intolerances.

But all that 'wheat is a poison' spewed by the OP is a steaming pileof junk science.

Its not a crazy claim or junk science. Wheat (in any form) is bad for you.

Just give it a try for one stinking month. One month. Then you can have an informed opinion with life experience to back it up.

it's genetics man.

I eat tones of wheat, sugar and basically anything i want (including junk food, Burger king, McD's and Taco bell) and I am 5'10" 180 since high school.

my cholesterol is within normal range and my blood pressure is 120 over 70 and pulse is a constant rest rate of 70-80.

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