If you could build the Ultimate Hog Gun...

If you could build the ultimate hog gun in an AR-10 style platform, what configurations would you want on it? If you think you already have it and are putting bacon in the freezer, post pix.

14.5" Rainier ultramatch barrel
pinned BABC
11" Troy free float tube (not a 4 rail)
TA33 ACOG
ND3 light
Magpul UBR

pics??? anyone???

My buddy has a .450 Bushmaster upper, an AR15 Bushmaster lower, with a 1X4 cheapie scope and swears by it. I think its ridiculous overkill, but nothing he shoots move more than a couple feet after being hit and branches/brush don't affect the round at all.

The .450 Bushmaster round actually fits into a standard 5.56 mag and he utilizes his standard 5.56 lower.

Sorry, I've already got it. It's a Cardinal Armory 6.8 18" stainless upper on a Bushmaster lower. I call it the HogHammer.

16 inch 68 1-whatever scope, NVG's when needed.

LaRue OBR 20" barrel.

With some quality Night Vision.

I'm not a hog hunter but...

On a AR-10 frame? well there is the round it was made for .308 Win. Then you could go up or down from there on the same cartridge case ie: .243, .260, 7mm-08, .308, .338 Federal, 358 Win. Then there is the .300 RSUM, and I have also heard of .450 Marlin uppers. Any of those listed would work.

Skip the .308 if your going to be on foot for hours upon hours stalking. By the time you throw: NV, can, 20 rounds in one you have one heavy SOB. SBR 6.8 with titanium can is my flavor after spending a few years hunting with my fulton 16in .308. My .308 will be my stand gun from now on.

Yep. Most of us aren't really in the kind of shape from our daily lives, even if we work out, to really carry around a loaded 308 for hours and hours. I have a SBR AR10 that weighs in at something over 8.5lbs, and I tried to build it as light a possible. regular M4 stock, JP middy FF tube and heat sink, 12.5" barrel is .750" to gas block and a little less to muzzle. That is w/o ammo, can or NV or other optic. It is not too heavy to shoot off hand or run & gun with, for a little while, but I don't know about lugging it around all night. I'm 6'2", 190lbs.

I highly recommend a reg AR in 6.5, 6.8, .45X, or especially 300 blackout. Those have is the power you need in case a hog charges but in a very light envelope. This larger weight margin will allow you to have a bigger optic if you like.

Whatever you do, the key is to keep it as light as possible. Consider a SBR, a pencil barrel or KAC barrel dimpling or fluting. I'm really liking the Troy TRX handguard, over 5ox lighter than the JP FF tube, In rifle length I believe. The ultimate build in your parameters would be light weight furniture, TRX rifle length tube, pencil barrel and a aimpoint T1. If you are gonna have a minimal profile barrel, also get it shorter so the barrel is relatively stiffer.

As far as cartridge, 308 is pretty dam good for hogs, maybe some sort of Bonded or solid metal bullet or something. Course, since the bullet is so large to begin with you probably do alright w/ something like Amax.

Another good option, if you are a reloader, might be one of those wildcat cartridges that are based on necked up shortened 308 brass. There are ones that shoot up to 750 grain 50BMG bullets out of the 308 brass & magazine at subsonic velocities. Or maybe you could get one that shoots Subsonic 45 cal bullets, heavy ones, at ca 1000 fps through a 45 cal pistol can. Hmm, now I got me thinking...

This is it folks......its awesome for Hogs.
MUM-14 for night stalks and during the Day the 3 x flips on and off if I need some magnification.

I've got a 16 inch AR-10, and have a few changes planned for it.

Weaver 2.5-10x Classic Extreme - check
Smith's Enterprises Rings - Check
ACE ARFX stock - have it, not installed yet
Troy TRX 12 inch handguard - planned
Low profile gas block (or cut down FSB) - planned

Mine has stock Armalite trigger and is pretty bad for precision work. I'm going to try a Spikes battle trigger first.

Is anyone running an ARFX stock on a .308? Just wondering how the recoil will be with the small recoil pad.


I've been considering a 7.62x39 AR15 build too. I hear that the C-Products 10 round mags work, and that would be enough for a hunting gun. I can shoot cheap ammo for practice and plinking, with some good soft point ammo reserved for hunting.

Any of this is backed up by a Smith & Wesson 629 Mountain Gun (44 Mag) with Keith loads.

It was about a year ago you handed me your rifle and I could barly hold it up...remember, that surgery of mine in Feb of 2010 is proving to be hard to get over...

I couldn't get that rifle back into your hands quick enough...lol . You need to weight it..my guess is over 16 pounds. I knew you had some time with it to be able to shoot it like you did.

OP, I use a ar-10 target, heavy barrell but I had it cut to 14" and pinned & welded a light weight phantom on it...A PRI carbon fiber tube helps. there is alot of pics of it in the 'pics of your dead hog" thread thats tacked on top of the board...some in two places on pg. 3 and more on pg. six. one time I weighed it....A trl-1, 12 rounds in a 20 mag. but I think I had the acog on it , well it was 10.12 lbs. with the light on the reciever, accu-point it is balanced just in front of the mag. It handles great...It like one of them you don't want to let go of and end up buying it. My 5.56 and 6.8 just feel barrel heavy.

I reload for all of mine but once with that 2 x 20 acog it did a 1/2 inch group at 200 yards, note I said 'it did"

A 6.8 would be a good choice for a all around but 458 socom in the thick stuff and a 308 for shots around and over 200 yards. Any rifle will work but why just have one, lol.

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LOL.. Oh shit. Ya, I remember. I couldn't stop laughing... I really never thought it was that bad until everyone else kept saying Fu&% that gun. A game warden I hunt with always cringes when I hand it to him when were crossing fences. I agree MANY is my choice over one...

Marlin 1895b in 45-70. I love it.

The rifles themselves are not that heavy. It's when you start adding all the extra things like suppressors, lights, sighting systems, lasers, grips, bipods, etc etc etc. A hunting rifle is usually a light weight rifle that you carry with you to hunt with. No offense to those who have those things on their rifles they sure look neat but add a lot of weight and make the rifle a chore to carry.

I've got a 6.8 that runs prolly around 7 lbs w/ bushnell scope and light. I use a grippod for my bipod.

Adding a device to a rifle usually serves a purpose in my mind for a particular hunt or type of hunting your doing. My gun with a scope, ammo, and can is in the 13-14lb range. For many of us that are die hard hog hunters many items that you listed are necessary while hunting hogs at night. NV, Cans, IR lasers are very useful when out at night chasing pigs threw river bottoms.

Why an IR laser? Assiming ur runnin a NV compatible red dot site too??

Any of u guys ever run the NV head mounted. I recall one guy who made a comftorable setup w/ a light ventalated skate board helmet.

762x39 is fine for hogs. I looked into it and heard that the c products mage, the latest vintage of them were quite reliable even loaded all the way up. Some of the earlier ones were so so and C prods was lettin guys exchng 'em for te newer ones that werked better.

The 450 bushmaster with a stronger bolt so you could push 50,000, instead of stopping at 32,000psi.

While hunting your helmet mounted with a: pvs-14, mum, anvis-9's or a set of 15's. This allows you to navigate in your vehicle, or easy to walk around and stalk just as you would in the day. I rarely use a comparable red dot sight. I'll have a clip on unit or a d-760 weapon mounted for shooting. " Usually" you have enough time to flip up your mono or goggles to go to your weapon sight. However, many times there's no time for that. A secondary aiming device like a IR laser is very helpful due to being able to shoot without the transition to your dedicated weapon sight.

So if you are going head mounted, if you happened to have an IR compatible Red Dot, why not just look at your optic w/ the goggle on and take the shot?... Or, run the NV on your weak eye and take the shot w/ your dominant eye?

I'm not arguing, cause I haven't started night stalking yet, just wondering and want to get started off on the right foot.

AR45/70. Big bore medicine with fast followups. Battlecomp on the end.

Oh yeah... No one makes a 45/70 AR....

AR45/70. Big bore medicine with fast followups. Battlecomp on the end.

Oh yeah... No one makes a 45/70 AR....

Sure they do, it's called a .50 Beowulf, basically the same ballistics out of an AR 15 platform

Because its very clumsy and takes a ton of practice to shoot like that very well, you also have a limited range with a EO or AP sight. Using the super imposed method also causes a shift from POI. I hunt with a game warden that shoots helmet mounted and looking threw his EO. He's been doing it for 5 years and is very effective. The way your helmet and mono line up isn't perfect for shooting like this, and is also very uncomfortable.

The best way to use a NV red dot is to have a mount on your mono where you can transition from helmet to weapon fairly quickly. Or use a IR laser for your primary aiming device. Mounting a dedicated weapon sight, or a clip on unit on your gun allows you to be more precise and gives you a great range advantage.

I've had many hogs come out on me withing 10-15 yards of me while driving on pipelines, and Its much easier to hit the laser to shoot at those ranges then messing with a scope.

+1

I'll have to play around with the std head mount I have and see how it is aiming. I do get how u normally have ur eyes off to the side when looking down rifle sights, whereas the mono is always comin stait off ur face.

If u used the naked eye to look at ur RD then u would not be able to c very far and the mono might tend to get in the way of that eye's line of sight.

Either way, u would have to hold the rifle very perpendic to ur shoulders in more og a "tactical stance" wich is hard w/ a heavy gun. .

I deffinlt c how a IR lsr would be the best. How much do they cost, I mean for u can really couny on?

Yep, the .50 cal Beowulf works wonders on hogs....

I'm recommending a AR15 based gun rather than an AR10 based gun, but in a larger caliber than 5.56.

I've got an AR10 SBR, prolly the lightest AR10 in the world, but it is too heavy w/ the ammo, suppressor, NV/red dot or scope. Plus I want it to be shorter w/ the can & all.

My solution I'm building is a 9" barrel AR in 300 blackout. Where I live, this has more than enough range and I want to shoot a heavier bullet in case I am on the ground & something charges.

Some of the 45 or 50 caliber ARs might be theoretically better, but I have a 30 cal suppressor and want like the maintenance of magazine capacity and pointy bullets for other purposes so this is the best non-nato caliber I can think of for myself anyway.

Don’t what the “ultimate” would be, different for each person I suppose.

This works fine for me:

It's complete, but weighs a ton and other than the scope I don't see a lot of way to drop the weight.




I cured my itch for a .30 cal AR-15 with a 7.62x40WT build



Next up is an AR-15 in .50 Beowulf

scar 17

.308

+1 for the 458 Socom. Its hard to beat perfection. It will leave a smile on their face

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Yup,
You know when they die “smiling” you’ve chosen the right rifle! LOL…….!

I discovered that .308 is great on hogs but that all the platforms for it are indeed too heavy. Even M1A scouts and irons are just too much to lug around for extended time.

Given infinite $$ I would build a light light AR in 6.8 or go with the 5.56 platform. I only had one ever run off after being hit with a shot but that was cheapo PMC FMJ. We heard it wheezing and it did later die.

The key for me is light light light. Get something fun like a scar. I bet even a PTR32 decked out well would be a blast and deadly if it could be made light enough.

Echoing several others, an AR-10 platformed rifle would be too heavy for me.
I am assuming that you want something similar to an AR-10 however...

A good 6.8 spc with the SPC II chamber and a 1:11 twist, with a S&B short dot and TLR-1 would be hard to beat.

I had one and it was nice... sold it though. 6.8 is great, but I have so many other calibers I just got sick of loading for it...
To tell you the truth I really prefer a Marlin 336 with Williams peep sights or a burris fast fire, or my Rossi 1892 in .45 LC far more than the fancy 6.8 I had.

- AG

This

How do you like that mini red-dot on the scope? I've been thinking of adding a similar setup to my AR-10 for up-close action when the scope isn't optimal.

BTW: What mount did you use?

The rail section its mounted on is from TNVC and the mount is the supplied mount that comes with the Delta point from Leupold, I have a 50 yard zero on it and the Leupold MK4/LRT3 has a 100 yard zero on it.

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