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TheGrandIllusion  [Member]
2/28/2012 2:00:50 PM
Bryan,

A lot of people are saying that there will be a run on ammunition this year similar to what happened in 2008/2009. Is there anything that you can say about this? Fear mongering or truth? Apparently .223/5.56 has been selling like crazy and will become harder and harder to get as the year progresses. What say you?

Thanks!

EHilderbrand  [Team Member]
2/28/2012 2:06:47 PM
Buy it cheap and stack it deep. I'm a weekly ammo buyer in general, so I'm always buying. It prevents panic buying by stocking up on the regular.

I'd venture we'll see a run on ammo at some point.
SS109  [Team Member]
2/28/2012 2:10:26 PM
It does look like the M193 is drying up.
Traditionally it is cheaper in the winter when northerners aren't shooting and more expensive in the summer. Possible higher fuel and metal prices lead me to guess it will increase.
Bryan_Aim  [Industry Partner]
2/28/2012 2:16:12 PM
i am out of Wolf .223, Federal .223, PMC .223, PMC ss109, i had 4 SKUs of 7.62x39 last month, only 1 from here on out.


things are already tough
highstepper  [Member]
2/28/2012 2:22:55 PM
Originally Posted By Bryan_Aim:
i am out of Wolf .223, Federal .223, PMC .223, PMC ss109, i had 4 SKUs of 7.62x39 last month, only 1 from here on out.


things are already tough


uh-oh....
lokifox  [Team Member]
2/28/2012 7:07:09 PM
Originally Posted By Bryan_Aim:
i am out of Wolf .223, Federal .223, PMC .223, PMC ss109, i had 4 SKUs of 7.62x39 last month, only 1 from here on out.


things are already tough


So the Yugo 7.62x39 wont be coming back?
Bryan_Aim  [Industry Partner]
2/29/2012 9:11:35 AM
in the summer, but no idea of price
Bub0214  [Member]
2/29/2012 10:31:23 AM
Let's all hope everyone keeps their heads this time around and we don't have another 2008 style ammo panic!!!!!
mrbullets  [Member]
2/29/2012 12:23:06 PM
Originally Posted By Bub0214:
Let's all hope everyone keeps their heads this time around and we don't have another 2008 style ammo panic!!!!!


This is America 2012. No chance of that.

Southrnshooter  [Member]
2/29/2012 2:38:15 PM
I am not panicking but I am buying every chance I get. Mags and ammo.
ham_bone  [Member]
2/29/2012 3:46:47 PM

every walmart around here cant keep 9mm, .40, .45, .223 in stock. oddly tons of tula 7.62 at every one i stopped at.
hope its just a phase. maybe people spending some of that tax return $ on stocking up.
TheGrandIllusion  [Member]
2/29/2012 7:55:17 PM
Originally Posted By Bryan_Aim:
i am out of Wolf .223, Federal .223, PMC .223, PMC ss109, i had 4 SKUs of 7.62x39 last month, only 1 from here on out.


things are already tough


I bought a .223 AK last month because I figure it'd always be one of the easier calibers to get What is an SKU?
JDMnAR  [Team Member]
2/29/2012 8:26:41 PM
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
What is an SKU?


Stock Keeping Unit - basically item number in retail talk
Dragynn  [Member]
3/1/2012 8:52:00 AM
Originally Posted By Southrnshooter:
I am not panicking but I am buying every chance I get. Mags and ammo.


Ditto. The local stores like Academy etc. around here are already consistently out of the cheapest .223. Depending on who gets elected, it could definitely get nasty.

StephenNW  [Team Member]
3/1/2012 7:34:12 PM
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By Bryan_Aim:
i am out of Wolf .223, Federal .223, PMC .223, PMC ss109, i had 4 SKUs of 7.62x39 last month, only 1 from here on out.


things are already tough


I bought a .223 AK last month because I figure it'd always be one of the easier calibers to get What is an SKU?


Plenty of people buy guns based on that same logic, but I've never understood it because whenever there's a panic, 5.56/223 is the FIRST ammunition to dry up. Back in 2009 I remember seeing people lined-up in front of my local gun store 1/2 hour before they opened, in hopes that some ammo had come in overnight and they'd be able to buy 100 rounds of it (which was the per-person limit). Whenever any 5.56 was put on the shelves, it didn't last 30 minutes. I fully expect to see a repeat of the 2009 scenario. And according to several retailers, it's already happening.
TheGrandIllusion  [Member]
3/1/2012 9:48:04 PM
Originally Posted By StephenNW:
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By Bryan_Aim:
i am out of Wolf .223, Federal .223, PMC .223, PMC ss109, i had 4 SKUs of 7.62x39 last month, only 1 from here on out.


things are already tough


I bought a .223 AK last month because I figure it'd always be one of the easier calibers to get What is an SKU?


Plenty of people buy guns based on that same logic, but I've never understood it because whenever there's a panic, 5.56/223 is the FIRST ammunition to dry up. Back in 2009 I remember seeing people lined-up in front of my local gun store 1/2 hour before they opened, in hopes that some ammo had come in overnight and they'd be able to buy 100 rounds of it (which was the per-person limit). Whenever any 5.56 was put on the shelves, it didn't last 30 minutes. I fully expect to see a repeat of the 2009 scenario. And according to several retailers, it's already happening.


5.56/.223 is probably the most popular caliber in America right now. Why aren't Ammunition manufacturers making larger quantities of it?

bscman  [Member]
3/2/2012 12:33:47 AM
Threads like this are what started the last ammo shortage...

One person complains it's hard to find...then another...then people read it and freak out!
Then they start to think, "Hey! It's still available in my area...but for how long? I better stock up!"

Before you know it...it's out of stock there, too!

Another shortage WILL happen. I predict it WILL start soon, and it WILL last longer.
With last year breaking records for firearms sales, and the history of ammo "shortages" repeating itself...it can only be worse.

.223/5.56 prices have been pretty decent this past year, for those willing to do a little leg work and buy larger quantities.
If you missed out on it...there's still time...but not much.
It seems the real "shortages" in my area started around august, pre-election...I'm thinking more like may/june this year.

Ooooh, crap...am I adding to the hysteria?
FourLoko  [Member]
3/2/2012 1:38:00 AM
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By Bryan_Aim:
i am out of Wolf .223, Federal .223, PMC .223, PMC ss109, i had 4 SKUs of 7.62x39 last month, only 1 from here on out.


things are already tough


I bought a .223 AK last month because I figure it'd always be one of the easier calibers to get What is an SKU?


I like your style. I spotted a clean one and it has me thinking.

I did the other crazy thing and bought ammo for a caliber I don't own. It sold out a week later.
DryHeat  [Member]
3/2/2012 2:36:57 PM
Originally Posted By bscman:
Threads like this are what started the last ammo shortage...

One person complains it's hard to find...then another...then people read it and freak out!
Then they start to think, "Hey! It's still available in my area...but for how long? I better stock up!"

Before you know it...it's out of stock there, too!

Another shortage WILL happen. I predict it WILL start soon, and it WILL last longer.
With last year breaking records for firearms sales, and the history of ammo "shortages" repeating itself...it can only be worse.

.223/5.56 prices have been pretty decent this past year, for those willing to do a little leg work and buy larger quantities.
If you missed out on it...there's still time...but not much.
It seems the real "shortages" in my area started around august, pre-election...I'm thinking more like may/june this year.

Ooooh, crap...am I adding to the hysteria?


I agree 100% What I find funny is when people post stuff like: "Heck I don't even have a .223/5.56 caliber rifle but, I still bought some ammo anyways" I honestly don't mind, just share the wealth and give me a chance to buy some too

Oh, and I do own an AR15
Jay561  [Member]
3/4/2012 9:46:42 AM
Originally Posted By bscman:
Threads like this are what started the last ammo shortage...



Cant wait to see how stupid this gets. I hope the people who panic bought last time learned their lesson.
ARinKCMO  [Team Member]
3/4/2012 11:19:03 AM
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By StephenNW:
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By Bryan_Aim:
i am out of Wolf .223, Federal .223, PMC .223, PMC ss109, i had 4 SKUs of 7.62x39 last month, only 1 from here on out.


things are already tough


I bought a .223 AK last month because I figure it'd always be one of the easier calibers to get What is an SKU?


Plenty of people buy guns based on that same logic, but I've never understood it because whenever there's a panic, 5.56/223 is the FIRST ammunition to dry up. Back in 2009 I remember seeing people lined-up in front of my local gun store 1/2 hour before they opened, in hopes that some ammo had come in overnight and they'd be able to buy 100 rounds of it (which was the per-person limit). Whenever any 5.56 was put on the shelves, it didn't last 30 minutes. I fully expect to see a repeat of the 2009 scenario. And according to several retailers, it's already happening.


5.56/.223 is probably the most popular caliber in America right now. Why aren't Ammunition manufacturers making larger quantities of it?



Many reasons. Primarily that whole 2 front war going on in Iraq and Afghanistan. And/or supplying them with ammo as well as our own troops. Oh yeah, we supplied weapons and ammo to Libya and there is talk of supporting the rebels in Syria.

Our ammo plants are beyond max capacity right now. We have outsourced to foreign ammo makers (primarily Israel) to keep up with the military demands. COmmerical market is secondary to all that.
nchapa  [Member]
3/5/2012 4:46:42 AM
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By StephenNW:
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By Bryan_Aim:
i am out of Wolf .223, Federal .223, PMC .223, PMC ss109, i had 4 SKUs of 7.62x39 last month, only 1 from here on out.


things are already tough


I bought a .223 AK last month because I figure it'd always be one of the easier calibers to get What is an SKU?


Plenty of people buy guns based on that same logic, but I've never understood it because whenever there's a panic, 5.56/223 is the FIRST ammunition to dry up. Back in 2009 I remember seeing people lined-up in front of my local gun store 1/2 hour before they opened, in hopes that some ammo had come in overnight and they'd be able to buy 100 rounds of it (which was the per-person limit). Whenever any 5.56 was put on the shelves, it didn't last 30 minutes. I fully expect to see a repeat of the 2009 scenario. And according to several retailers, it's already happening.


5.56/.223 is probably the most popular caliber in America right now. Why aren't Ammunition manufacturers making larger quantities of it?



supply and demand = profit.
ham_bone  [Member]
3/5/2012 7:15:33 PM
yep. why make more bullets when you can just make more $ per bullet. we'll see if chinese ammo starts to sell here. i bet the prices would be dirt cheap.
Blofeld  [Member]
3/5/2012 10:04:55 PM
Originally Posted By ham_bone:
yep. why make more bullets when you can just make more $ per bullet. we'll see if chinese ammo starts to sell here. i bet the prices would be dirt cheap.


Chinese ammunition has been banned from import for a while now ;)
69gtojeff  [Member]
3/5/2012 11:10:16 PM
Originally Posted By Blofeld:
Originally Posted By ham_bone:
yep. why make more bullets when you can just make more $ per bullet. we'll see if chinese ammo starts to sell here. i bet the prices would be dirt cheap.


Chinese ammunition has been banned from import for a while now ;)


Man I miss those $70 crates of steel core 7.62x39.
CaesAR15  [Member]
3/6/2012 3:46:22 PM
Yes. Yes you are.

I think it prudent that any wise minded firearm owner begin stockpiling ammunition, magazines and/or reloading supplies.


Yahoo Ammo Article




Originally Posted By bscman:
Threads like this are what started the last ammo shortage...

One person complains it's hard to find...then another...then people read it and freak out!
Then they start to think, "Hey! It's still available in my area...but for how long? I better stock up!"

Before you know it...it's out of stock there, too!

Another shortage WILL happen. I predict it WILL start soon, and it WILL last longer.
With last year breaking records for firearms sales, and the history of ammo "shortages" repeating itself...it can only be worse.

.223/5.56 prices have been pretty decent this past year, for those willing to do a little leg work and buy larger quantities.
If you missed out on it...there's still time...but not much.
It seems the real "shortages" in my area started around august, pre-election...I'm thinking more like may/june this year.

Ooooh, crap...am I adding to the hysteria?

WaMag  [Team Member]
3/7/2012 6:59:43 PM
Because of this page I picked up another 4 cases of 223!
DBC5150  [Team Member]
3/7/2012 8:15:36 PM
Originally Posted By WaMag:
Because of this page I picked up another 4 cases of 223!


Thanks for being part of the problem
Dawg180  [Team Member]
3/7/2012 11:41:43 PM
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By StephenNW:
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By Bryan_Aim:
i am out of Wolf .223, Federal .223, PMC .223, PMC ss109, i had 4 SKUs of 7.62x39 last month, only 1 from here on out.


things are already tough


I bought a .223 AK last month because I figure it'd always be one of the easier calibers to get What is an SKU?


Plenty of people buy guns based on that same logic, but I've never understood it because whenever there's a panic, 5.56/223 is the FIRST ammunition to dry up. Back in 2009 I remember seeing people lined-up in front of my local gun store 1/2 hour before they opened, in hopes that some ammo had come in overnight and they'd be able to buy 100 rounds of it (which was the per-person limit). Whenever any 5.56 was put on the shelves, it didn't last 30 minutes. I fully expect to see a repeat of the 2009 scenario. And according to several retailers, it's already happening.


5.56/.223 is probably the most popular caliber in America right now. Why aren't Ammunition manufacturers making larger quantities of it?



What more do you do when you are running three shifts 7 days a week? Because that is where the ammo industry has been for several years...
ham_bone  [Member]
3/8/2012 9:47:28 AM
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By StephenNW:
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By Bryan_Aim:
i am out of Wolf .223, Federal .223, PMC .223, PMC ss109, i had 4 SKUs of 7.62x39 last month, only 1 from here on out.


things are already tough


I bought a .223 AK last month because I figure it'd always be one of the easier calibers to get What is an SKU?


Plenty of people buy guns based on that same logic, but I've never understood it because whenever there's a panic, 5.56/223 is the FIRST ammunition to dry up. Back in 2009 I remember seeing people lined-up in front of my local gun store 1/2 hour before they opened, in hopes that some ammo had come in overnight and they'd be able to buy 100 rounds of it (which was the per-person limit). Whenever any 5.56 was put on the shelves, it didn't last 30 minutes. I fully expect to see a repeat of the 2009 scenario. And according to several retailers, it's already happening.


5.56/.223 is probably the most popular caliber in America right now. Why aren't Ammunition manufacturers making larger quantities of it?



What more do you do when you are running three shifts 7 days a week? Because that is where the ammo industry has been for several years...


expand your factory?
EHilderbrand  [Team Member]
3/8/2012 10:00:58 AM
Originally Posted By ham_bone:
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By StephenNW:
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By Bryan_Aim:
i am out of Wolf .223, Federal .223, PMC .223, PMC ss109, i had 4 SKUs of 7.62x39 last month, only 1 from here on out.


things are already tough


I bought a .223 AK last month because I figure it'd always be one of the easier calibers to get What is an SKU?


Plenty of people buy guns based on that same logic, but I've never understood it because whenever there's a panic, 5.56/223 is the FIRST ammunition to dry up. Back in 2009 I remember seeing people lined-up in front of my local gun store 1/2 hour before they opened, in hopes that some ammo had come in overnight and they'd be able to buy 100 rounds of it (which was the per-person limit). Whenever any 5.56 was put on the shelves, it didn't last 30 minutes. I fully expect to see a repeat of the 2009 scenario. And according to several retailers, it's already happening.


5.56/.223 is probably the most popular caliber in America right now. Why aren't Ammunition manufacturers making larger quantities of it?



What more do you do when you are running three shifts 7 days a week? Because that is where the ammo industry has been for several years...


expand your factory?


Expansion isn't that easy, unfortunately. It's evident you do not work in manufacturing of any kind.
stonecutter2  [Member]
3/8/2012 7:39:15 PM
I bought 1000rds of the Aguila 223 from Aim because it was like .28 per round - too low to pass up, and perfect for stocking up for summer shooting.

Also grabbed 500rds of PPU 9mm Makarov because it was brass cased and hopefully I can reload them. The price w/shipping was about what I pay locally for Brown Bear, and that doesn't let me reload it :) I do buy the local Brown Bear though, it's a local shop and gives a good reason to browse their other goods :D
coastal_shredder  [Team Member]
3/8/2012 11:35:00 PM
Originally Posted By EHilderbrand:
Originally Posted By ham_bone:
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By StephenNW:
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By Bryan_Aim:
i am out of Wolf .223, Federal .223, PMC .223, PMC ss109, i had 4 SKUs of 7.62x39 last month, only 1 from here on out.


things are already tough


I bought a .223 AK last month because I figure it'd always be one of the easier calibers to get What is an SKU?


Plenty of people buy guns based on that same logic, but I've never understood it because whenever there's a panic, 5.56/223 is the FIRST ammunition to dry up. Back in 2009 I remember seeing people lined-up in front of my local gun store 1/2 hour before they opened, in hopes that some ammo had come in overnight and they'd be able to buy 100 rounds of it (which was the per-person limit). Whenever any 5.56 was put on the shelves, it didn't last 30 minutes. I fully expect to see a repeat of the 2009 scenario. And according to several retailers, it's already happening.


5.56/.223 is probably the most popular caliber in America right now. Why aren't Ammunition manufacturers making larger quantities of it?



What more do you do when you are running three shifts 7 days a week? Because that is where the ammo industry has been for several years...


expand your factory?


Expansion isn't that easy, unfortunately. It's evident you do not work in manufacturing of any kind.


+1

Especially in circumstances where they may even have to stop existing production and take months off to install... No bueno, compadre.
TheGrandIllusion  [Member]
3/9/2012 5:02:10 PM
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By StephenNW:
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By Bryan_Aim:
i am out of Wolf .223, Federal .223, PMC .223, PMC ss109, i had 4 SKUs of 7.62x39 last month, only 1 from here on out.


things are already tough


I bought a .223 AK last month because I figure it'd always be one of the easier calibers to get What is an SKU?


Plenty of people buy guns based on that same logic, but I've never understood it because whenever there's a panic, 5.56/223 is the FIRST ammunition to dry up. Back in 2009 I remember seeing people lined-up in front of my local gun store 1/2 hour before they opened, in hopes that some ammo had come in overnight and they'd be able to buy 100 rounds of it (which was the per-person limit). Whenever any 5.56 was put on the shelves, it didn't last 30 minutes. I fully expect to see a repeat of the 2009 scenario. And according to several retailers, it's already happening.


5.56/.223 is probably the most popular caliber in America right now. Why aren't Ammunition manufacturers making larger quantities of it?



What more do you do when you are running three shifts 7 days a week? Because that is where the ammo industry has been for several years...


New ammunition companies to start up and work 24/7 like the others
Dawg180  [Team Member]
3/9/2012 5:14:43 PM
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By StephenNW:
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By Bryan_Aim:
i am out of Wolf .223, Federal .223, PMC .223, PMC ss109, i had 4 SKUs of 7.62x39 last month, only 1 from here on out.


things are already tough


I bought a .223 AK last month because I figure it'd always be one of the easier calibers to get What is an SKU?


Plenty of people buy guns based on that same logic, but I've never understood it because whenever there's a panic, 5.56/223 is the FIRST ammunition to dry up. Back in 2009 I remember seeing people lined-up in front of my local gun store 1/2 hour before they opened, in hopes that some ammo had come in overnight and they'd be able to buy 100 rounds of it (which was the per-person limit). Whenever any 5.56 was put on the shelves, it didn't last 30 minutes. I fully expect to see a repeat of the 2009 scenario. And according to several retailers, it's already happening.


5.56/.223 is probably the most popular caliber in America right now. Why aren't Ammunition manufacturers making larger quantities of it?



What more do you do when you are running three shifts 7 days a week? Because that is where the ammo industry has been for several years...


New ammunition companies to start up and work 24/7 like the others


Well I am sure if you want to invest a few million you could make a few more million in the ammo biz!

Of course, have fun with OSHA and the EPA on that one, along with market swings in the long term, I think you will find it an "exciting" endeavour
coastal_shredder  [Team Member]
3/10/2012 7:27:35 AM
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By Dawg180:
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By StephenNW:
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
Originally Posted By Bryan_Aim:
i am out of Wolf .223, Federal .223, PMC .223, PMC ss109, i had 4 SKUs of 7.62x39 last month, only 1 from here on out.


things are already tough


I bought a .223 AK last month because I figure it'd always be one of the easier calibers to get What is an SKU?


Plenty of people buy guns based on that same logic, but I've never understood it because whenever there's a panic, 5.56/223 is the FIRST ammunition to dry up. Back in 2009 I remember seeing people lined-up in front of my local gun store 1/2 hour before they opened, in hopes that some ammo had come in overnight and they'd be able to buy 100 rounds of it (which was the per-person limit). Whenever any 5.56 was put on the shelves, it didn't last 30 minutes. I fully expect to see a repeat of the 2009 scenario. And according to several retailers, it's already happening.


5.56/.223 is probably the most popular caliber in America right now. Why aren't Ammunition manufacturers making larger quantities of it?



What more do you do when you are running three shifts 7 days a week? Because that is where the ammo industry has been for several years...


New ammunition companies to start up and work 24/7 like the others


Well I am sure if you want to invest a few million you could make a few more million in the ammo biz!

Of course, have fun with OSHA and the EPA on that one, along with market swings in the long term, I think you will find it an "exciting" endeavour


Not to mention a bunch of ARFCOMMERS posting about your ammo "Ever heard of this stuff?" and conjuring up images of a catastrophic failure that is the AR equivalent of Chernobyl occurring from its use because nobody's heard of it.
Phite822  [Member]
4/11/2012 2:33:58 PM
I have a coworker who contacted Precision Cartridge about purchasing 1000 rounds of .223 and was told that several private security contractors are purchasing large quantities of ammunition. When he asked what they were purchasing it for, the only thing the guy at Precision Cartridge would say was that he had heard they were being "deployed" to Israel in the next couple weeks. Did I miss something in Israel ?
supplex  [Team Member]
4/11/2012 9:02:25 PM
Originally Posted By Phite822:
I have a coworker who contacted Precision Cartridge about purchasing 1000 rounds of .223 and was told that several private security contractors are purchasing large quantities of ammunition. When he asked what they were purchasing it for, the only thing the guy at Precision Cartridge would say was that he had heard they were being "deployed" to Israel in the next couple weeks. Did I miss something in Israel ?


nice first post

but yes, things are heating up, all around the globe.