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Please help with BCM mid upper
6/10/2012 9:57:43 PM
I want a 14.5 BCM upper. They have 2 similar and a difference in $$.
1.BCM Standard 14.5" Mid Length Upper Receiver Group ––––> http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-14-5-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-mid-14.htm
2. BCM BFH 14.5" Mid Length Upper Receiver Group ––––-> http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-BFH-14-5-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-mid-14-bfh.htm
I know the second is Barrel, Forged, Hammer? what does mean? DO I really need it?
thanks in advance
1.BCM Standard 14.5" Mid Length Upper Receiver Group ––––> http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-14-5-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-mid-14.htm
2. BCM BFH 14.5" Mid Length Upper Receiver Group ––––-> http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-BFH-14-5-Mid-Length-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-mid-14-bfh.htm
I know the second is Barrel, Forged, Hammer? what does mean? DO I really need it?
thanks in advance
6/10/2012 10:03:56 PM
Originally Posted By ivanotano:
] DO I really need it?
] DO I really need it?
Probably not.
6/10/2012 10:04:23 PM
It means that the barrel is Cold Hammer Forged. It is a way barrels are made. It is known as a way to extend barrel life, but not all manfuacteres do it. Colt for example, even in the military M4's, does not use CHF barrels. I believe FN does CHF M16A4 barrels, though.
It generally requires a little bit more money because they are more expensive to make.
To answer your question, if you ever see your barrel making it past 25K rounds or so, then a CHF barrel might be for you. To me, if I can choose, I like the save the money. The amount of ammo it takes to get to that high of a round count outweighs the extra cost for a "longer lasting barrel". Barrels are cheap compared to ammo. You can always just buy a new barrel.
It generally requires a little bit more money because they are more expensive to make.
To answer your question, if you ever see your barrel making it past 25K rounds or so, then a CHF barrel might be for you. To me, if I can choose, I like the save the money. The amount of ammo it takes to get to that high of a round count outweighs the extra cost for a "longer lasting barrel". Barrels are cheap compared to ammo. You can always just buy a new barrel.
6/10/2012 10:04:36 PM
No you don't REALLY need it. What are you going to be doing with it and how many rounds do you shoot each month?
6/10/2012 10:06:05 PM
How much shooting do you plan on doing?
6/10/2012 10:23:52 PM
Originally Posted By Marshallreb:
No you don't REALLY need it. What are you going to be doing with it and how many rounds do you shoot each month?
No you don't REALLY need it. What are you going to be doing with it and how many rounds do you shoot each month?
I don't think I'll shoot that much, some rounds for the summer and much less in fall and spring because busy at school
6/10/2012 10:31:06 PM
You willbe perfectly fine with the $419.99 upper
6/10/2012 10:32:02 PM
Originally Posted By Marshallreb:
You willbe perfectly fine with the $419.99 upper
You willbe perfectly fine with the $419.99 upper
+1
6/10/2012 10:41:52 PM
Originally Posted By Marshallreb:
You willbe perfectly fine with the $419.99 upper
You willbe perfectly fine with the $419.99 upper
Alright, thank you so much! Anyone has experienced any of these FH/ comp? I ask because It will be pinned and bcm offers a few. ( If there's not much recoil / muzzle climb going on with the A2 FH on a middy, I think will be fine for me apart that is the cheaper)
1.BCM A2X FH
2. PWS FSC556 tactical comp
3.Battle Comp BC 1.5 black
4.PWS SM556 tactical comp
5.SureFire MB556K-PN
6/10/2012 10:42:47 PM
Originally Posted By GADeerHunter:I believe FN does CHF M16A4 barrels, though.
They do cold hammer forge M240 and M249 barrels for their US military contracts.
6/10/2012 10:49:18 PM
Originally Posted By 14point5:
Actually, no - they do not cold hammer forge the M16 barrels, although they make CHF 20" Ar-15 barrels for Palmetto State Armory.
Originally Posted By GADeerHunter:I believe FN does CHF M16A4 barrels, though.
They do cold hammer forge M240 and M249 barrels for their US military contracts.
Yeah, I wasn't too sure about that. Thanks for the clarification.
6/10/2012 10:55:32 PM
I have a2x on my 14.5" bcm middy. With what your going to do with it and how muchyou will be shooting, an a2x is fine. Use the extra money to save for a quality optic, a couple of mags and a case of your fav ammo.
6/10/2012 11:13:30 PM
Originally Posted By ivanotano:
Alright, thank you so much! Anyone has experienced any of these FH/ comp? I ask because It will be pinned and bcm offers a few. ( If there's not much recoil / muzzle climb going on with the A2 FH on a middy, I think will be fine for me apart that is the cheaper)
1.BCM A2X FH
2. PWS FSC556 tactical comp
3.Battle Comp BC 1.5 black
4.PWS SM556 tactical comp
5.SureFire MB556K-PN
Originally Posted By Marshallreb:
You willbe perfectly fine with the $419.99 upper
You willbe perfectly fine with the $419.99 upper
Alright, thank you so much! Anyone has experienced any of these FH/ comp? I ask because It will be pinned and bcm offers a few. ( If there's not much recoil / muzzle climb going on with the A2 FH on a middy, I think will be fine for me apart that is the cheaper)
1.BCM A2X FH
2. PWS FSC556 tactical comp
3.Battle Comp BC 1.5 black
4.PWS SM556 tactical comp
5.SureFire MB556K-PN
The A2X will work just fine...
Personally I really like the PWS Comp's but it's up to you if you want to spend the extra money. Also with the PWS the SM556 is basically the same as the FSC556 except it's a suppressor mount and it has a slightly shorter overall length.
6/10/2012 11:13:41 PM
Definitely the standard barrel for your needs. These are great uppers. 
I'd opt for the A2X unless you really want a comp then get the BC 1.5.
I'd opt for the A2X unless you really want a comp then get the BC 1.5.
Originally Posted By ivanotano:
Alright, thank you so much! Anyone has experienced any of these FH/ comp? I ask because It will be pinned and bcm offers a few. ( If there's not much recoil / muzzle climb going on with the A2 FH on a middy, I think will be fine for me apart that is the cheaper)
1.BCM A2X FH
2. PWS FSC556 tactical comp
3.Battle Comp BC 1.5 black
4.PWS SM556 tactical comp
5.SureFire MB556K-PN
Originally Posted By Marshallreb:
You willbe perfectly fine with the $419.99 upper
You willbe perfectly fine with the $419.99 upper
Alright, thank you so much! Anyone has experienced any of these FH/ comp? I ask because It will be pinned and bcm offers a few. ( If there's not much recoil / muzzle climb going on with the A2 FH on a middy, I think will be fine for me apart that is the cheaper)
1.BCM A2X FH
2. PWS FSC556 tactical comp
3.Battle Comp BC 1.5 black
4.PWS SM556 tactical comp
5.SureFire MB556K-PN
6/10/2012 11:23:30 PM
As others have said, you don't need the CHF (BFH) barrel. You may want to consider a lightweight barrel.
6/10/2012 11:37:30 PM
Originally Posted By IFBBjuicemonkey:
As others have said, you don't need the CHF (BFH) barrel. You may want to consider a lightweight barrel.
As others have said, you don't need the CHF (BFH) barrel. You may want to consider a lightweight barrel.
what about the psa uppers? are they good like bcm uppers? or bcm is the gtg better?
6/10/2012 11:52:34 PM
I thought you said you wanted a BCM upper? For the casual shooter, a rifle from any of the reputable gun makers will do just fine. As for the flash hider/break, the 2X is probably the best all-around choice. Most of the others are loud and the folks shooting next to you will give you dirty looks.
6/10/2012 11:57:21 PM
Originally Posted By ivanotano:
what about the psa uppers? are they good like bcm uppers? or bcm is the gtg better?
Originally Posted By IFBBjuicemonkey:
As others have said, you don't need the CHF (BFH) barrel. You may want to consider a lightweight barrel.
As others have said, you don't need the CHF (BFH) barrel. You may want to consider a lightweight barrel.
what about the psa uppers? are they good like bcm uppers? or bcm is the gtg better?
I don't have any personal experience with PSA uppers, but they have a great reputation here.
As for BCM, I have owned several of their uppers; a 16" govt profile mid length, 16" lightweight mid length, (3) 14.5" lightweight mid lengths, and an 11.5" standard upper. All were standard, non BFH barrels. I also have one of their complete lowers. I have had a total of about 6,000 rounds through them, with most being XM193 and M855 feed by D&H USGI, Lancers and PMAGS and have not had a single malfunction. I don't clean my rifles very often (every 1,000 rounds of so), I just run them wet with Slip 2000 EWL, and more recently Mobil 1. All uppers were used with BCM BCG's.
As with most people, I tend to recommend what I know and what has worked for me. BCM is my go to company and I feel comfortable recommending them to others.
6/11/2012 12:21:17 AM
Originally Posted By IFBBjuicemonkey:
I don't have any personal experience with PSA uppers, but they have a great reputation here.
As for BCM, I have owned several of their uppers; a 16" govt profile mid length, 16" lightweight mid length, (3) 14.5" lightweight mid lengths, and an 11.5" standard upper. All were standard, non BFH barrels. I also have one of their complete lowers. I have had a total of about 6,000 rounds through them, with most being XM193 and M855 feed by D&H USGI, Lancers and PMAGS and have not had a single malfunction. I don't clean my rifles very often (every 1,000 rounds of so), I just run them wet with Slip 2000 EWL, and more recently Mobil 1. All uppers were used with BCM BCG's.
As with most people, I tend to recommend what I know and what has worked for me. BCM is my go to company and I feel comfortable recommending them to others.
Originally Posted By ivanotano:
what about the psa uppers? are they good like bcm uppers? or bcm is the gtg better?
Originally Posted By IFBBjuicemonkey:
As others have said, you don't need the CHF (BFH) barrel. You may want to consider a lightweight barrel.
As others have said, you don't need the CHF (BFH) barrel. You may want to consider a lightweight barrel.
what about the psa uppers? are they good like bcm uppers? or bcm is the gtg better?
I don't have any personal experience with PSA uppers, but they have a great reputation here.
As for BCM, I have owned several of their uppers; a 16" govt profile mid length, 16" lightweight mid length, (3) 14.5" lightweight mid lengths, and an 11.5" standard upper. All were standard, non BFH barrels. I also have one of their complete lowers. I have had a total of about 6,000 rounds through them, with most being XM193 and M855 feed by D&H USGI, Lancers and PMAGS and have not had a single malfunction. I don't clean my rifles very often (every 1,000 rounds of so), I just run them wet with Slip 2000 EWL, and more recently Mobil 1. All uppers were used with BCM BCG's.
As with most people, I tend to recommend what I know and what has worked for me. BCM is my go to company and I feel comfortable recommending them to others.
6k rounds damn nice. the psa seems to have a great deal but i know bcm makes a badass uppers. maybe i should stick with BCM even paying some more $. What i'm not sure now is about the weight.... gov or light. (i'm not going to carry it around but just from the house to the range)
6/11/2012 12:33:19 AM
Originally Posted By ivanotano:
6k rounds damn nice. the psa seems to have a great deal but i know bcm makes a badass uppers. maybe i should stick with BCM even paying some more $. What i'm not sure now is about the weight.... gov or light. (i'm not going to carry it around but just from the house to the range)
Originally Posted By IFBBjuicemonkey:
I don't have any personal experience with PSA uppers, but they have a great reputation here.
As for BCM, I have owned several of their uppers; a 16" govt profile mid length, 16" lightweight mid length, (3) 14.5" lightweight mid lengths, and an 11.5" standard upper. All were standard, non BFH barrels. I also have one of their complete lowers. I have had a total of about 6,000 rounds through them, with most being XM193 and M855 feed by D&H USGI, Lancers and PMAGS and have not had a single malfunction. I don't clean my rifles very often (every 1,000 rounds of so), I just run them wet with Slip 2000 EWL, and more recently Mobil 1. All uppers were used with BCM BCG's.
As with most people, I tend to recommend what I know and what has worked for me. BCM is my go to company and I feel comfortable recommending them to others.
Originally Posted By ivanotano:
what about the psa uppers? are they good like bcm uppers? or bcm is the gtg better?
Originally Posted By IFBBjuicemonkey:
As others have said, you don't need the CHF (BFH) barrel. You may want to consider a lightweight barrel.
As others have said, you don't need the CHF (BFH) barrel. You may want to consider a lightweight barrel.
what about the psa uppers? are they good like bcm uppers? or bcm is the gtg better?
I don't have any personal experience with PSA uppers, but they have a great reputation here.
As for BCM, I have owned several of their uppers; a 16" govt profile mid length, 16" lightweight mid length, (3) 14.5" lightweight mid lengths, and an 11.5" standard upper. All were standard, non BFH barrels. I also have one of their complete lowers. I have had a total of about 6,000 rounds through them, with most being XM193 and M855 feed by D&H USGI, Lancers and PMAGS and have not had a single malfunction. I don't clean my rifles very often (every 1,000 rounds of so), I just run them wet with Slip 2000 EWL, and more recently Mobil 1. All uppers were used with BCM BCG's.
As with most people, I tend to recommend what I know and what has worked for me. BCM is my go to company and I feel comfortable recommending them to others.
6k rounds damn nice. the psa seems to have a great deal but i know bcm makes a badass uppers. maybe i should stick with BCM even paying some more $. What i'm not sure now is about the weight.... gov or light. (i'm not going to carry it around but just from the house to the range)
I am not a fan of government profile barrels. Noveske and other companies offer barrel contours that make a lot more sense; starting thicker at the chamber and gradually thinning out towards the muzzle. Lightweights are great for most uses and while they do heat up faster, this won't matter very much. Yes, if you are bench shooting your groups will open up a little as the barrel heats up, but the difference isn't drastic unless you are using magnified optics and match ammo and trying to shoot quarter sized groups.
Most barrel failures with govt. profile barrels occur under the handguards, right before the barrel gets thicker, which sort of makes you wonder if there is any durability advantage over a lightweight barrel. Either way, this won't be an issue for you unless you intend to do silly things like a ton of mag dumps back to back.
6/11/2012 1:06:24 AM
Originally Posted By IFBBjuicemonkey:
Most barrel failures with govt. profile barrels occur under the handguards, right before the barrel gets thicker, which sort of makes you wonder if there is any durability advantage over a lightweight barrel.
Most barrel failures with govt. profile barrels occur under the handguards, right before the barrel gets thicker, which sort of makes you wonder if there is any durability advantage over a lightweight barrel.
Gov profile is identical to A1/lightweight under the handguards, so no, there isn't any heat advantage (erosion which is accelerated by heat is what "wears" out barrels).
6/11/2012 10:17:57 AM
Thats actually the same upper bought I purchased the basic barrel with the surefire MB555K brake:
BCM Upper
Finished product!
BCM Upper
Finished product!
