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BWilson  [Member]
2/22/2012 10:07:45 AM
Wilson Combat is excited to announce we have finalized a deal with Marty ter Weeme of Teppo Jutsu to build .458 SOCOM AR uppers. These uppers will be built to Wilson Combat exacting standards using match grade barrels and bolts supplied by Teppo Jutsu and will be backed by the legendary Wilson Combat service policy.

Initial offerings will be as follows:

Recon SR upper using a 14.7" mid-weight stainless barrel and a permanently attached suppressor brake or AccuTac flash hider
Recon upper using a 16.1" mid-weight stainless barrel with AccuTac flash hider
HB (heavy barrel) upper using a 16.1" heavy stainless barrel with AccuTac flash hider

All uppers will feature a Wilson Combat lo-profile adjustable gas block so they can be "fine tuned" to the customers preferred load.

We expect pricing to be similar to our 6.8 SPC uppers and hope to be shipping product late April/early May.
DoubleARon  [Team Member]
2/22/2012 10:55:25 AM
the-jessman  [Member]
2/22/2012 10:56:28 AM
Awesome! I'm really excited for these to come out!
Dlfleetw  [Team Member]
2/22/2012 11:41:38 AM
Yep, I'm excited. I've been looking and putting off a SODOM build because of the lack of builders. Better get some components bought...
knight_dive  [Team Member]
2/22/2012 11:48:11 AM
Great news. Marty had hinted that some good news might be coming out after SHOT. Sounds like he was right. Will barrels and bolts be available separately?
lwrkeysfisher  [Member]
2/22/2012 12:02:02 PM
Excellent news. Can we expect to see Wilson Combat factory ammo?
WilsonCombatRep  [Industry Partner]
2/22/2012 12:08:14 PM
Unfortunately, we won't be producing ammo.
BigRedDog  [Team Member]
2/22/2012 12:12:07 PM
What plans for a suppressed model?
Dlfleetw  [Team Member]
2/22/2012 12:14:37 PM
Originally Posted By knight_dive:
Great news. Marty had hinted that some good news might be coming out after SHOT. Sounds like he was right. Will barrels and bolts be available separately?


I second the Barrels and bolt query.
BWilson  [Member]
2/22/2012 12:52:01 PM
Originally Posted By knight_dive:
Great news. Marty had hinted that some good news might be coming out after SHOT. Sounds like he was right. Will barrels and bolts be available separately?


yes, stainless bbls, NP3 complete bolt carrier assembly and adj gas blocks will be available

Dlfleetw  [Team Member]
2/22/2012 12:54:13 PM
Thanks!! Great news.
bigsapper  [Life Member]
2/22/2012 12:59:03 PM


This!
Big-Bore  [Team Member]
2/22/2012 2:04:43 PM
Originally Posted By BWilson:
Originally Posted By knight_dive:
Great news. Marty had hinted that some good news might be coming out after SHOT. Sounds like he was right. Will barrels and bolts be available separately?


yes, stainless bbls, NP3 complete bolt carrier assembly and adj gas blocks will be available


There you go! We need more suppliers of parts for DIYers than complete rifles, at least from my view point.
jasonusvi  [Team Member]
2/22/2012 2:10:54 PM


Good news. The clapping however is in response to his wife's horrendous acting performance I believe (from Citizen Kane). I'll bet these uppers will deserve honest praise.
knight_dive  [Team Member]
2/22/2012 3:41:29 PM
Originally Posted By WilsonCombatRep:
Unfortunately, we won't be producing ammo.


That's kind of a bummer, but I reload anyway.


Originally Posted By BWilson:
Originally Posted By knight_dive:
Great news. Marty had hinted that some good news might be coming out after SHOT. Sounds like he was right. Will barrels and bolts be available separately?


yes, stainless bbls, NP3 complete bolt carrier assembly and adj gas blocks will be available



This is what I really wanted to hear. Best news of the day.

8654  [Member]
2/22/2012 5:46:24 PM
Originally Posted By BigRedDog:
What plans for a suppressed model?




THIS!

8654
SaturationTech  [Team Member]
2/22/2012 6:07:19 PM
I would like to officially request a 10-11" barrel/bolt combo.
AlphaOperator  [Team Member]
2/22/2012 6:11:26 PM
This would be nice
Originally Posted By SaturationTech:
I would like to officially request a 10-11" barrel/bolt combo.


Fantomas  [Team Member]
2/22/2012 7:44:19 PM
that sounds great

since I own one of Marty's creation I look forward to see one of those

eightring  [Team Member]
2/22/2012 8:35:04 PM
Originally Posted By AlphaOperator:
This would be nice
Originally Posted By SaturationTech:
I would like to officially request a 10-11" barrel/bolt combo.




I would buy a short barrel + bolt combo.
BWilson  [Member]
2/22/2012 8:53:32 PM
Originally Posted By 8654:
Originally Posted By BigRedDog:
What plans for a suppressed model?




THIS!

8654


That's what I'm testing now, unfortunately a .458 bore is hard to quiet down, not hearing safe, but a LOT quieter than with no can ............................

BWilson  [Member]
2/22/2012 8:55:39 PM
Originally Posted By eightring:
Originally Posted By AlphaOperator:
This would be nice
Originally Posted By SaturationTech:
I would like to officially request a 10-11" barrel/bolt combo.




I would buy a short barrel + bolt combo.


Let us know what lengths you guys want ???? Our std "short" bbl is 11.3" which makes a 16" gun with our can installed .......................

doubleajaybrock  [Team Member]
2/22/2012 9:41:04 PM
Originally Posted By BWilson:
Originally Posted By eightring:
Originally Posted By AlphaOperator:
This would be nice
Originally Posted By SaturationTech:
I would like to officially request a 10-11" barrel/bolt combo.




I would buy a short barrel + bolt combo.


Let us know what lengths you guys want ???? Our std "short" bbl is 11.3" which makes a 16" gun with our can installed .......................



An 11.3" would be awesome! Id buy one.
SaturationTech  [Team Member]
2/22/2012 9:57:24 PM
11.3" would be perfect. Any thoughts on pricing?
knight_dive  [Team Member]
2/22/2012 10:09:29 PM
Sadly I have to play by Kalifornia rules. The 14 1/2 + fixed is the best I could hope for.
QuicksilverJPR  [Team Member]
2/23/2012 10:17:57 AM
Originally Posted By BWilson:
Wilson Combat is excited to announce we have finalized a deal with Marty ter Weeme of Teppo Jutsu to build .458 SOCOM AR uppers. These uppers will be built to Wilson Combat exacting standards using match grade barrels and bolts supplied by Teppo Jutsu and will be backed by the legendary Wilson Combat service policy.

Initial offerings will be as follows:

Recon SR upper using a 14.7" mid-weight stainless barrel and a permanently attached suppressor brake or AccuTac flash hider
Recon upper using a 16.1" mid-weight stainless barrel with AccuTac flash hider
HB (heavy barrel) upper using a 16.1" heavy stainless barrel with AccuTac flash hider

All uppers will feature a Wilson Combat lo-profile adjustable gas block so they can be "fine tuned" to the customers preferred load.

We expect pricing to be similar to our 6.8 SPC uppers and hope to be shipping product late April/early May.


Brother, that is fantastic!

QuicksilverJPR  [Team Member]
2/23/2012 10:20:22 AM
Originally Posted By BWilson:
Originally Posted By 8654:
Originally Posted By BigRedDog:
What plans for a suppressed model?




THIS!

8654


That's what I'm testing now, unfortunately a .458 bore is hard to quiet down, not hearing safe, but a LOT quieter than with no can ............................



Mr Wilson, have you loaded any of the 100gr aluminum bullets and played with them yet? You should try them out sometime.... (Lehigh)
Big-Bore  [Team Member]
2/23/2012 11:53:58 AM
I personally would like to see not only a variety of lengths, but of profiles also. Just a few lengths are needed since the .458S does not gain much if any velocity to speak of past 16 inches, certainly not enough to warrant a plethora of barrels in varying lengths. But profiles, that is where I see a good offering being helpful. I have 4 .458S now, and I know they do not kick as much as so many claim, so you don't need a full bull barrel to tame the recoil. A good pad will do that. And it is not a long range target rifle where you need an incredibly stiff barrel either, so how about some profiles that are not ball-busters to carry. Maybe an offering of a bull barrel for those that feel they need the weight, but how about a midweight and a lightweight also? Everything SBR offers right now are bull barrels, and I just don't see the need for all that metal to carry around. And a polygonal bore like your 6.8s have would be a nice NEW barrel to try out and see if it really offers anything over a conventional L&G barrel. Don't forget a couple of twist. Those of us who shoot mostly 350 gr. bullets or less would benefit from a 1:18 while those who want to shoot the heavies suppressed would benefit from a good old 1:14 twist. Although my 1:14s and 1:18s seem to stabilize everything from 250 to 525 quite well with more than adequate accuracy, it would not hurt to have both offered so we can get the most of what we are going to be shooting.
And for God's sake, use a 5/8 x 24 thread on your muzzle, not that bastard size RR uses. Nobody has blown themselves up on Marty's or SBR's threading yet so stick with the 5/8 x 24. There are many more muzzle devices out there in that thread that can be enlarged for use on the .458 if you use that thread count.
Just thinking out loud...
knight_dive  [Team Member]
2/23/2012 12:30:20 PM
Originally Posted By Big-Bore:
I personally would like to see not only a variety of lengths, but of profiles also. Just a few lengths are needed since the .458S does not gain much if any velocity to speak of past 16 inches, certainly not enough to warrant a plethora of barrels in varying lengths. But profiles, that is where I see a good offering being helpful. I have 4 .458S now, and I know they do not kick as much as so many claim, so you don't need a full bull barrel to tame the recoil. A good pad will do that. And it is not a long range target rifle where you need an incredibly stiff barrel either, so how about some profiles that are not ball-busters to carry. Maybe an offering of a bull barrel for those that feel they need the weight, but how about a midweight and a lightweight also? Everything SBR offers right now are bull barrels, and I just don't see the need for all that metal to carry around. And a polygonal bore like your 6.8s have would be a nice NEW barrel to try out and see if it really offers anything over a conventional L&G barrel. Don't forget a couple of twist. Those of us who shoot mostly 350 gr. bullets or less would benefit from a 1:18 while those who want to shoot the heavies suppressed would benefit from a good old 1:14 twist. Although my 1:14s and 1:18s seem to stabilize everything from 250 to 525 quite well with more than adequate accuracy, it would not hurt to have both offered so we can get the most of what we are going to be shooting.
And for God's sake, use a 5/8 x 24 thread on your muzzle, not that bastard size RR uses. Nobody has blown themselves up on Marty's or SBR's threading yet so stick with the 5/8 x 24. There are many more muzzle devices out there in that thread that can be enlarged for use on the .458 if you use that thread count.
Just thinking out loud...


+1, especially the part in red
BigRedDog  [Team Member]
2/23/2012 12:51:55 PM
Originally Posted By BWilson:
Originally Posted By 8654:
Originally Posted By BigRedDog:
What plans for a suppressed model?




THIS!

8654


That's what I'm testing now, unfortunately a .458 bore is hard to quiet down, not hearing safe, but a LOT quieter than with no can ............................


TEA TEAM!
8654  [Member]
2/23/2012 12:59:36 PM
Originally Posted By Big-Bore:
I personally would like to see not only a variety of lengths, but of profiles also. Just a few lengths are needed since the .458S does not gain much if any velocity to speak of past 16 inches, certainly not enough to warrant a plethora of barrels in varying lengths. But profiles, that is where I see a good offering being helpful. I have 4 .458S now, and I know they do not kick as much as so many claim, so you don't need a full bull barrel to tame the recoil. A good pad will do that. And it is not a long range target rifle where you need an incredibly stiff barrel either, so how about some profiles that are not ball-busters to carry. Maybe an offering of a bull barrel for those that feel they need the weight, but how about a midweight and a lightweight also? Everything SBR offers right now are bull barrels, and I just don't see the need for all that metal to carry around. And a polygonal bore like your 6.8s have would be a nice NEW barrel to try out and see if it really offers anything over a conventional L&G barrel. Don't forget a couple of twist. Those of us who shoot mostly 350 gr. bullets or less would benefit from a 1:18 while those who want to shoot the heavies suppressed would benefit from a good old 1:14 twist. Although my 1:14s and 1:18s seem to stabilize everything from 250 to 525 quite well with more than adequate accuracy, it would not hurt to have both offered so we can get the most of what we are going to be shooting.
And for God's sake, use a 5/8 x 24 thread on your muzzle, not that bastard size RR uses. Nobody has blown themselves up on Marty's or SBR's threading yet so stick with the 5/8 x 24. There are many more muzzle devices out there in that thread that can be enlarged for use on the .458 if you use that thread count.
Just thinking out loud...


Damnit... i bought at 5/8 x 32 tap for brakes and the like. Anyone want a mildly used tap? Good price....

8654
dasu  [Member]
2/23/2012 1:28:04 PM
Mid-length or carbine gas system?

Why are 458s so hard to suppress?
QuicksilverJPR  [Team Member]
2/23/2012 5:23:01 PM
Originally Posted By dasu:
Mid-length or carbine gas system?

Why are 458s so hard to suppress?


Large volume of gas being moved would be my guess....
BWilson  [Member]
2/23/2012 8:55:13 PM
Originally Posted By QuicksilverJPR:
Originally Posted By dasu:
Mid-length or carbine gas system?

Why are 458s so hard to suppress?


Large volume of gas being moved would be my guess....


I'm talking supersonic, our standard Whisper suppressor bored out to .510" takes the edge off, but certainly not ear safe like they are with .22 - .30. Haven't played with subs yet

Fritzcat  [Member]
2/24/2012 12:28:59 AM
There is a lot of gas to come out of a big hole, but it can be quieten down. It takes a larger can. I like Sub-Sonic for hunting hogs for more ambushes in small areas.
born2lose76  [Team Member]
2/24/2012 12:50:08 AM
Originally Posted By doubleajaybrock:
Originally Posted By BWilson:
Originally Posted By eightring:
Originally Posted By AlphaOperator:
This would be nice
Originally Posted By SaturationTech:
I would like to officially request a 10-11" barrel/bolt combo.




I would buy a short barrel + bolt combo.


Let us know what lengths you guys want ???? Our std "short" bbl is 11.3" which makes a 16" gun with our can installed .......................



An 11.3" would be awesome! Id buy one.


+458
Brazos_Jack  [Member]
2/24/2012 1:07:32 PM
Hi Bill,

I applaud this development.

Marty made my .458 barrel a few years back. I let him know that I was not a hi-speed low-drag operator type. I was a hunter. I would not be running a suppressor with 600gr sub sonic loads. I would be running 300gr-350gr hunting loads - 405gr max. So he made me a 1 in 18" barrel instead of 1 in 14".

Please offer both twists. Some (< 20%) actually need the 1 in 14" and so please offer that. But the vast majority of us will be better served by a 1 in 18" barrel. So please also offer 1 in 18".

The original .45-70 is 1 in 18" because rigorous testing showed that it was optimum for best accuracy and performance of 405gr projectiles. When the Army later wanted heavier bullets for better long range performance, rigorous testing determined that 500gr was the heaviest bullet that would reliably stabilize in 1 in 18" (not that it was optimum)

Also, please use carbine length gas systems for 16"-24" barrels. The case to bore volume ratio is way too small for mid length even with 24" barrels. The owners will find such rifles much less load/powder sensitive.

I'm not sure what barrel length that you need to start using a pistol gas system, but it will definitely be at longer lengths than would be appropriate for a 5.56.
jasonusvi  [Team Member]
3/14/2012 5:37:35 PM
Whats the ETA?
FL_Tactical  [Member]
3/14/2012 6:57:06 PM
Originally Posted By jasonusvi:
Whats the ETA?


+1

Graycard  [Member]
3/14/2012 7:58:56 PM
I got to play with one of Wilson's test carbines while hunting at his ranch this past week. (Just a little gloating included with that sentence.) Every hunter that tried it was a happy camper. One of the guys went wild and slew four in one evening. The one I shot not only dropped in its tracks but was field dressed in the process.
QuicksilverJPR  [Team Member]
3/14/2012 8:16:21 PM
Originally Posted By Graycard:
I got to play with one of Wilson's test carbines while hunting at his ranch this past week. (Just a little gloating included with that sentence.) Every hunter that tried it was a happy camper. One of the guys went wild and slew four in one evening. The one I shot not only dropped in its tracks but was field dressed in the process.


Shot it lengthwise, eh?

Those things do happen....
shinoi  [Member]
3/16/2012 9:26:54 AM
Are Wilson lower receivers considered low shelf lowers
Cold  [Moderator]
3/16/2012 12:32:57 PM
Originally Posted By BWilson:
Wilson Combat is excited to announce we have finalized a deal with Marty ter Weeme of Teppo Jutsu to build .458 SOCOM AR uppers. These uppers will be built to Wilson Combat exacting standards using match grade barrels and bolts supplied by Teppo Jutsu and will be backed by the legendary Wilson Combat service policy.

Initial offerings will be as follows:

Recon SR upper using a 14.7" mid-weight stainless barrel and a permanently attached suppressor brake or AccuTac flash hider
Recon upper using a 16.1" mid-weight stainless barrel with AccuTac flash hider
HB (heavy barrel) upper using a 16.1" heavy stainless barrel with AccuTac flash hider

All uppers will feature a Wilson Combat lo-profile adjustable gas block so they can be "fine tuned" to the customers preferred load.

We expect pricing to be similar to our 6.8 SPC uppers and hope to be shipping product late April/early May.


Excellent choice. Good move for sure.
elkbow  [Team Member]
3/17/2012 3:14:24 PM
i'll keep this one going, Bill when do you think you'll offer them, I think you said a timeframe would be late april or early may to start offering....

I already have a 458, but would like another, they are hard to quiet down, so my preference would not be an SBR, would be 16-20" or abouts....
Powder_Burns  [Member]
3/18/2012 3:52:17 PM
WilsonCombatRep  [Industry Partner]
3/18/2012 9:05:29 PM
Originally Posted By shinoi:
Are Wilson lower receivers considered low shelf lowers


Shinoi, let me get back to you on this..

knight_dive  [Team Member]
3/18/2012 9:41:04 PM
Originally Posted By WilsonCombatRep:
Originally Posted By shinoi:
Are Wilson lower receivers considered low shelf lowers


Shinoi, we have been building "Top shelf" upper, lowers and complete guns for over a decade. Here is some info about our AR receivers-take a look at some of customer reviews-we will let the reviews do the talking for us.

http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Lower-Receiver-AR-Style/productinfo/TR-LOWER/



Pretty sure he's asking about RDIAS compatibility. I don't think there's any question about quality.
Big-Bore  [Team Member]
3/18/2012 10:22:04 PM
Originally Posted By WilsonCombatRep:
Originally Posted By shinoi:
Are Wilson lower receivers considered low shelf lowers


Shinoi, we have been building "Top shelf" upper, lowers and complete guns for over a decade. Here is some info about our AR receivers-take a look at some of customer reviews-we will let the reviews do the talking for us.

http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Lower-Receiver-AR-Style/productinfo/TR-LOWER/



Now that is funny. You have been building top notch ARs for over a decade but missed that the question was directed toward the use of DIAS, not an affront to Wilson quality? Now, that is funny. Looks like someone was a little quick to jump to a wrong assumption.
Whoops, someone has egg on their face!

WilsonCombatRep  [Industry Partner]
3/18/2012 11:22:53 PM
LOL.

Based on my eyeball calibrations our receivers are "high shelf". First time I ever been asked that one.

Sorry for the assumptions, but hey its AR-15.com!
Big-Bore  [Team Member]
3/19/2012 2:08:48 PM
I am pleased that you took a little light hearted ribbing for what it was. EVERYONE knows Wilson turns out top notch, uh, everything! You guys, or I should say Bill, worked over a Ruger Redhawk of mine twenty some years ago and that thing is still impressive. Rugers are nice guns from the factory, but after Bill worked it over that thing is like a bank vault locking up and the trigger, DA and SA, is not to be believed. Thousands of rounds later and it is still just as nice as the day I got it back. Now back on track. I cannot wait until you start selling the SOCOM barrels and bolts as DIY items.
knight_dive  [Team Member]
3/19/2012 5:34:28 PM
Originally Posted By Big-Bore:
I am pleased that you took a little light hearted ribbing for what it was. EVERYONE knows Wilson turns out top notch, uh, everything! You guys, or I should say Bill, worked over a Ruger Redhawk of mine twenty some years ago and that thing is still impressive. Rugers are nice guns from the factory, but after Bill worked it over that thing is like a bank vault locking up and the trigger, DA and SA, is not to be believed. Thousands of rounds later and it is still just as nice as the day I got it back. Now back on track. I cannot wait until you start selling the SOCOM barrels and bolts as DIY items.


+1