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Couple questions about a pistol build
2/1/2012 9:59:35 PM
Im sorry if this has been gone over 100 times, theres so much info on here its hard to find things. Anyways would much appriceate some help.
I bought 2 PSA lowers during the christmas sell with no intent on what i was going to do with them Im thinking now i would like to make one into a 300blk pistol. The lower was bought stripped. I have read that the manf has to have it registered as a pistol and then my ffl has to do the same. So what is the real deal. When i bought the stripped lowers from PSA there was no option on stating if it was to be a rifle or pistol so its not registered with them as either, and my ffl filled out the brady check as OTHER, when doing the paper work i had asked him if i wanted to build it as a pistol what i had to do and i really dont think he knew so he just fed me some crap. There is no where that these lowers are stated to be rifles or pistol only as other on the brady form. My ffl was telling me that i had to register it as a pistol and engrave something on it but i thought that was only for SBR for the time being im just going to have it as a pistol maybe down the road when i get the money convert to SBR I'll worry about the regs on that when the time comes . So i dunno from what i can gather here on the site it seems like they dont have to be registerd as a pistol they just cant ever have been used for a rifle which they havent there both just empty stipped lowers.
So 1) can I use one of these for a pistol without any paper work engraving or registering... if not what steps do i have to take to make it legal . I live in nevada if that helps or matters.
And 2) if its just as easy as build the pistol and dont ever put a stock on it what do i do to prove that it was a pistol first so if i wanna change it back and forth to rifle i can, seems like something way to important to just be on a by your word kind of system and just havening a picture of it dosent seem like something that would really hold up in court anyways.
Would really apprieate if someone could take the thime to break this down for me, thanks in advance for the help and again sorry for asking something that im sure has be answered a million times on here. I guess it would be hard due different states having different laws but a easy to read break down of the rules that isnt 40 pages long as a sticky would be very helpful.
I bought 2 PSA lowers during the christmas sell with no intent on what i was going to do with them Im thinking now i would like to make one into a 300blk pistol. The lower was bought stripped. I have read that the manf has to have it registered as a pistol and then my ffl has to do the same. So what is the real deal. When i bought the stripped lowers from PSA there was no option on stating if it was to be a rifle or pistol so its not registered with them as either, and my ffl filled out the brady check as OTHER, when doing the paper work i had asked him if i wanted to build it as a pistol what i had to do and i really dont think he knew so he just fed me some crap. There is no where that these lowers are stated to be rifles or pistol only as other on the brady form. My ffl was telling me that i had to register it as a pistol and engrave something on it but i thought that was only for SBR for the time being im just going to have it as a pistol maybe down the road when i get the money convert to SBR I'll worry about the regs on that when the time comes . So i dunno from what i can gather here on the site it seems like they dont have to be registerd as a pistol they just cant ever have been used for a rifle which they havent there both just empty stipped lowers.
So 1) can I use one of these for a pistol without any paper work engraving or registering... if not what steps do i have to take to make it legal . I live in nevada if that helps or matters.
And 2) if its just as easy as build the pistol and dont ever put a stock on it what do i do to prove that it was a pistol first so if i wanna change it back and forth to rifle i can, seems like something way to important to just be on a by your word kind of system and just havening a picture of it dosent seem like something that would really hold up in court anyways.
Would really apprieate if someone could take the thime to break this down for me, thanks in advance for the help and again sorry for asking something that im sure has be answered a million times on here. I guess it would be hard due different states having different laws but a easy to read break down of the rules that isnt 40 pages long as a sticky would be very helpful.
2/1/2012 10:07:57 PM
In my state you have to had bought them as pistols, so what does it say on your paper work, pistol or rifle...
2/1/2012 10:14:55 PM
When i filled out the background check it said it was listed as OTHER so it wasnt put down as rifle or pistol, but i didnt get anything from psa saying it was anything other than a stripped lower So theres def nothing from the manf that says its a pistol which to me wouldnt make sense anyways cause what if I dont order it straight from the maf I just buy locally theres no way to register with the manf that way. When i did the back ground i specifcaly asked if it needed to be filled out as a pistol and like i said i dont think he new he basically said that its done as OTHER so what i do after is up to me. But technically the background check i fill out at the dealer dosent register the gun anyways, i mean atf can come in a look at it if they want but its not sent to any local or state agencys and registerd at least thats how i understand it there is no gun registration required in NV
2/1/2012 10:17:31 PM
Originally Posted By kretterath:
Im sorry if this has been gone over 100 times, theres so much info on here its hard to find things. Anyways would much appriceate some help.
I bought 2 PSA lowers during the christmas sell with no intent on what i was going to do with them Im thinking now i would like to make one into a 300blk pistol. The lower was bought stripped. I have read that the manf has to have it registered as a pistol and then my ffl has to do the same. So what is the real deal. When i bought the stripped lowers from PSA there was no option on stating if it was to be a rifle or pistol so its not registered with them as either, and my ffl filled out the brady check as OTHER, when doing the paper work i had asked him if i wanted to build it as a pistol what i had to do and i really dont think he knew so he just fed me some crap. There is no where that these lowers are stated to be rifles or pistol only as other on the brady form. My ffl was telling me that i had to register it as a pistol and engrave something on it but i thought that was only for SBR for the time being im just going to have it as a pistol maybe down the road when i get the money convert to SBR I'll worry about the regs on that when the time comes . So i dunno from what i can gather here on the site it seems like they dont have to be registerd as a pistol they just cant ever have been used for a rifle which they havent there both just empty stipped lowers.
So 1) can I use one of these for a pistol without any paper work engraving or registering... if not what steps do i have to take to make it legal . I live in nevada if that helps or matters.
Im sorry if this has been gone over 100 times, theres so much info on here its hard to find things. Anyways would much appriceate some help.
I bought 2 PSA lowers during the christmas sell with no intent on what i was going to do with them Im thinking now i would like to make one into a 300blk pistol. The lower was bought stripped. I have read that the manf has to have it registered as a pistol and then my ffl has to do the same. So what is the real deal. When i bought the stripped lowers from PSA there was no option on stating if it was to be a rifle or pistol so its not registered with them as either, and my ffl filled out the brady check as OTHER, when doing the paper work i had asked him if i wanted to build it as a pistol what i had to do and i really dont think he knew so he just fed me some crap. There is no where that these lowers are stated to be rifles or pistol only as other on the brady form. My ffl was telling me that i had to register it as a pistol and engrave something on it but i thought that was only for SBR for the time being im just going to have it as a pistol maybe down the road when i get the money convert to SBR I'll worry about the regs on that when the time comes . So i dunno from what i can gather here on the site it seems like they dont have to be registerd as a pistol they just cant ever have been used for a rifle which they havent there both just empty stipped lowers.
So 1) can I use one of these for a pistol without any paper work engraving or registering... if not what steps do i have to take to make it legal . I live in nevada if that helps or matters.
Yes, you can use either as a pistol build UNLESS your state has some queer requirement for registering pistols. There is no national pistol registration. Check your state laws. Your dealer sold them to you the only way that would be legal, as an "other" since when you buy a stripped lower it is neither pistol or rifle since it has not been built yet. It is total BS that the maker has to paper them as one or the other and that determines what they can be built as. You do NOT have to do any of that BS "Pistol Only" engraving. That is done by some makers so they can charge more for a lower and that Pistol Only marking has no legal or any other significance, other than to make the tin hat crowd sleep better under some mistaken and misguided belief it offers some sort of mystical legal protection.
And 2) if its just as easy as build the pistol and dont ever put a stock on it what do i do to prove that it was a pistol first so if i wanna change it back and forth to rifle i can, seems like something way to important to just be on a by your word kind of system and just havening a picture of it dosent seem like something that would really hold up in court anyways.
Would really apprieate if someone could take the thime to break this down for me, thanks in advance for the help and again sorry for asking something that im sure has be answered a million times on here. I guess it would be hard due different states having different laws but a easy to read break down of the rules that isnt 40 pages long as a sticky would be very helpful.
Would really apprieate if someone could take the thime to break this down for me, thanks in advance for the help and again sorry for asking something that im sure has be answered a million times on here. I guess it would be hard due different states having different laws but a easy to read break down of the rules that isnt 40 pages long as a sticky would be very helpful.
If you do not have time to read through the stickies and use the search I do not have time to give you the nitty gritty details. You get the short answer but the correct one. If you need more proof, start reading.
Short answer, you can build a pistol first and then convert it to a rifle and then again back to a pistol. This is a fairly recent reversal of previous rulings. Just never have the pistol upper on the lower with a butt stock attached. Documenting never hurts but what would that really prove? Take a picture of your pistol as you build it if it will make you sleep better.
2/1/2012 10:44:13 PM
Well thank you for the short correct answer. And for the record i did read through the many many pages of stickys but there all over the place seems like people have different interperations, by the time i got through 40 plus pages my eyes were crossed and i was just confued. And on a forum this huge with so much info the search function is next to worthless for a broad question like this. Either that or im just crappy at using it. Either way i appriceate you taking the time to inform me.
Anyways thats pretty much what i have gotten out of all the reading around that im ok to build a pistol with the stipped lower and i dont need it engraved, I just wanted to get a little clarifation that i was reading it right. Dont want to end up in the gulags for a mistake. Its been made very clear on here that if its a rifle first it can never be a pistol but if a pistol first i can change back and forth I guess really taking a pic is the only real way to document that but that just seems corny and would never really hold up. I really have no intentions of switching it around anyways pretty much plan on making it a pistol then maybe getting the paper work done SBR and silencer down the road. But thats about it i have another stipped lower to make into a 6.5 or 6.8 rifle as well so no need to do any swappiing around.
I guess the only thing i really need to look into is if NV makes you register it as a pistol. I would doubt they do I live in reno and most of nevada is very pro gun, but i will definatly check.
Anyways thats pretty much what i have gotten out of all the reading around that im ok to build a pistol with the stipped lower and i dont need it engraved, I just wanted to get a little clarifation that i was reading it right. Dont want to end up in the gulags for a mistake. Its been made very clear on here that if its a rifle first it can never be a pistol but if a pistol first i can change back and forth I guess really taking a pic is the only real way to document that but that just seems corny and would never really hold up. I really have no intentions of switching it around anyways pretty much plan on making it a pistol then maybe getting the paper work done SBR and silencer down the road. But thats about it i have another stipped lower to make into a 6.5 or 6.8 rifle as well so no need to do any swappiing around.
I guess the only thing i really need to look into is if NV makes you register it as a pistol. I would doubt they do I live in reno and most of nevada is very pro gun, but i will definatly check.
2/2/2012 10:29:03 PM
You couldn't have looked very hard for the answer.
The answer is right at the top of this pistol forum.
5th sticky from the top titled " Request: Scans of any letters from the BATFE, that pertain to AR pistols "
Click on it and read the VERY FIRST letter from the ATF on the VERY FIRST page.
It really can't get any easier than that.
Now, why not spend the $24 bucks to become a member so you can learn a lot of other obscure information.
The answer is right at the top of this pistol forum.
5th sticky from the top titled " Request: Scans of any letters from the BATFE, that pertain to AR pistols "
Click on it and read the VERY FIRST letter from the ATF on the VERY FIRST page.
It really can't get any easier than that.
Now, why not spend the $24 bucks to become a member so you can learn a lot of other obscure information.
2/3/2012 12:09:02 AM
Was just trying to get some clarification on something that I wasn't 100 percent sure of that has the potential to get me in allot of trouble if im wrong sorry to waste your time. Considering you wasted your time Internet tuff guying me I doubt your short on free time. So if I pay to be a member does it mean I can ask questions without getting treated like crap or is that included in the fee. Thanks to the guy that took the time to help out by actually being helpful.
2/3/2012 12:21:30 AM
Originally Posted By kretterath:
Was just trying to get some clarification on something that I wasn't 100 percent sure of that has the potential to get me in allot of trouble if im wrong sorry to waste your time. Considering you wasted your time Internet tuff guying me I doubt your short on free time. So if I pay to be a member does it mean I can ask questions without getting treated like crap or is that included in the fee. Thanks to the guy that took the time to help out by actually being helpful.
Was just trying to get some clarification on something that I wasn't 100 percent sure of that has the potential to get me in allot of trouble if im wrong sorry to waste your time. Considering you wasted your time Internet tuff guying me I doubt your short on free time. So if I pay to be a member does it mean I can ask questions without getting treated like crap or is that included in the fee. Thanks to the guy that took the time to help out by actually being helpful.
ignore him...we aren't all like that.
Do you have any other questions?
2/3/2012 2:07:02 AM
If I were you, and had the parts to build either one of them into a pistol, then I would burn a little time and use the parts to build them both into a pistol first thing. You can then build one or both up into a rifle if you so chose, but if you build them into a pistol first, then you can always go back down to pistol. I do realize that it might take some extra time, but might be well worth it if you ever decided that you wanted to have two pistols. Nothing wrong with going to a rifle first, but why take away the future possibility. Hope that helps some. And yes, the correct way for your FFL to have listed it was as "Other" its how the ATF says to do it right now.
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2/3/2012 9:36:05 PM
Originally Posted By kretterath:
Was just trying to get some clarification on something that I wasn't 100 percent sure of that has the potential to get me in allot of trouble if im wrong sorry to waste your time. Considering you wasted your time Internet tuff guying me I doubt your short on free time. So if I pay to be a member does it mean I can ask questions without getting treated like crap or is that included in the fee. Thanks to the guy that took the time to help out by actually being helpful.
Was just trying to get some clarification on something that I wasn't 100 percent sure of that has the potential to get me in allot of trouble if im wrong sorry to waste your time. Considering you wasted your time Internet tuff guying me I doubt your short on free time. So if I pay to be a member does it mean I can ask questions without getting treated like crap or is that included in the fee. Thanks to the guy that took the time to help out by actually being helpful.
No, when you become a member you can use the extensive search features so you don't need to apologize before hand about asking a question you know has been asked a million time, yet you just need to ask it once more, and then do.
I'm not tough talking you, the question to the very answer you asked was located exactly where I told you it was. Yet you were still confused by all the other answers you kept reading about posted by people that don't know either instead of believing the only true authority on the subject, the author of the letter mentioned, the BATFE.
2/4/2012 11:57:52 AM
The letter your talking about onlly address a part of my question it says nothing about haveing it regetistered or engraved in the state I live in and the second letter down says the dealler should record it as frame or reciver which isnt even an option on the the form i filled out so no it didnt ansewer my questions in a clear way that made me comfortale. And yes your sitting behind a coumputer screen tuff talking me for asking a question about a ar pistol build in the ar pistol build section of an ar-15 DISSCUSION forum. These here interwebs arnt that serious man, if its something you dont wanna waste your time disscusing then dont its that easy.
2/4/2012 12:09:41 PM
And thanks Norinco982lover but yea i think i got most of the techincal legal questions i had cleared up between here and the nevada subforum. Im sure i'll have allot more questions when i start the build. I really am leaning toward doing a 300blk pistol that i may someday sbr and suppress, but i havent really decided yet. I need to hash out the details of what i really want and go from there Im still deciding if i want to buy a complete upper or build one. I really like the noveske 300blk upper they have but it seems like i might be able to build one of equal quality for a litle less $. I dunno. Just wanted to figure out what i needed to do to make a pistol in nevada legally first then go from there. I didnt wanna go through the hassel of registration and engraving if i was gonna evenntually sbr it Which i dont really know if i'll ever do but its nice to leave the option open while having a nice little pistol to play with.
And yea I doubt if i would ever get more than 1 pisolt so building both of the lowers i have up as pistol first isnt really a big deal, besides with PSA offering lowers for 49.99 every couple months i'll just get another one if the need arises
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And yea I doubt if i would ever get more than 1 pisolt so building both of the lowers i have up as pistol first isnt really a big deal, besides with PSA offering lowers for 49.99 every couple months i'll just get another one if the need arises
.2/4/2012 12:10:34 PM
Originally Posted By kretterath:
The letter your talking about onlly address a part of my question it says nothing about haveing it regetistered or engraved in the state I live in and the second letter down says the dealler should record it as frame or reciver which isnt even an option on the the form i filled out so no it didnt ansewer my questions in a clear way that made me comfortale. And yes your sitting behind a coumputer screen tuff talking me for asking a question about a ar pistol build in the ar pistol build section of an ar-15 DISSCUSION forum. These here interwebs arnt that serious man, if its something you dont wanna waste your time disscusing then dont its that easy.
The letter your talking about onlly address a part of my question it says nothing about haveing it regetistered or engraved in the state I live in and the second letter down says the dealler should record it as frame or reciver which isnt even an option on the the form i filled out so no it didnt ansewer my questions in a clear way that made me comfortale. And yes your sitting behind a coumputer screen tuff talking me for asking a question about a ar pistol build in the ar pistol build section of an ar-15 DISSCUSION forum. These here interwebs arnt that serious man, if its something you dont wanna waste your time disscusing then dont its that easy.
Sorry your skin is so thin.
If your asking questions concerning your state laws then your in the wrong forum. Ask your state specific questions in the Nevada Hometown forum.
This is a technical forum for the AR pistol, not a build forum. Your questions are not technical in nature. The build it yourself forum is a separate forum.
2/4/2012 1:06:39 PM
Yes sir! Sorry drill Sargent! Won't happen again
