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 How many times can you chamber a new rd in an AR before it goes bad?
Raizo_Sekai  [Team Member]
5/17/2012 5:57:49 PM
Question.
wyv3rn  [Member]
5/17/2012 6:46:15 PM
I hope you're not looking for some exact number like "13" "21" "87", etc. Depends on far too many factors (the rifle, the primer, etc.) to provide a reliable number. Repeated chambering and associated light primer tap will eventually wear out any round. Don't chamber a round you plan to use for serious applications (duty use, home defense, etc.) more than once.
Krinkplinker  [Member]
5/17/2012 6:57:19 PM
two words, snap caps.
KBAD  [Team Member]
5/17/2012 7:35:47 PM
I remember reading somewhere that 5 times is the max you should chamber a live round before you should consider it unreliable.

I'll see if I can find the reference
markfall  [Team Member]
5/17/2012 7:37:41 PM
In my experience, in the hundreds.
Sawblade02  [Team Member]
5/17/2012 8:53:40 PM
Until get too nervous about the dent in the primer getting deep enough to slam fire.
Raizo_Sekai  [Team Member]
5/18/2012 12:56:25 AM
Originally Posted By Sawblade02:
Until get too nervous about the dent in the primer getting deep enough to slam fire.


more worried about FTFire.
Dropshot12  [Member]
5/18/2012 6:27:24 AM
Originally Posted By Raizo_Sekai:
Originally Posted By Sawblade02:
Until get too nervous about the dent in the primer getting deep enough to slam fire.


more worried about FTFire.


Once. If you're more worried about failure to fire then that tells us you're talking about your defensive ammunition, so don't chamber it more than once. After that you shouldn't be using it in a defensive situation any longer as the possibility of it becoming unreliable has just increased, which is a quality you obviously don't want in something your life could depend on.
Zhukov  [Moderator]
5/18/2012 12:19:29 PM
From DocGKR:

A large SWAT team in this area had a failure to fire from an M4 with Hornady TAP ammo during an entry––fortunately no officers were hurt and the suspect immediately threw down his weapon when the carbine went click instead of bang. After the incident was concluded, the team went to the range and expended the rest of their carbine ammo and had one additional failure to fire. This same team had 3 Hornady TAP rounds fail to fire in training a couple of years ago. When Pat Rogers was teaching a class at a nearby agency, there were 5 failures to fire using Hornady TAP ammo. In all 10 cases, there appeared to be good primer strikes, but no rounds fired. On analysis, the ammunition had powder and checked out otherwise.

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However, despite what appeared to be good primer strikes, two problems were discovered. First, when accurately measured, some of the primer strikes had insufficient firing pin indentations. The failed round from the potential OIS incident had a primer strike of only .013"—the minimum firing pin indent for ignition is .017". In addition, the primers on the other rounds were discovered to have been damaged from repeated chambering. When the same cartridge is repeatedly chambered in the AR15, the floating firing pin lightly taps the primer; with repeated taps, the primer compound gets crushed, resulting in inadequate ignition characteristics––despite what appears to be a normal firing pin impression. Once a round has been chambered, DO NOT RE-CHAMBER IT for duty use. Do NOT re-chamber it again, except for training. This is CRITICAL!!!



ShadowWolf32387  [Member]
5/18/2012 7:57:31 PM
I'd say Zhukov put up a compelling case study that I'm inclined to believe. Thanks for sharing that.

I'm officially picking up some Snap Caps to practice rifle malfunctions with from now on.
Raizo_Sekai  [Team Member]
5/19/2012 2:41:04 PM
guess that settles that.