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 Accupoints in combat?
Matt_B  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 5:24:44 PM
I'm curious to know if anyone has or knows of Trijicon Accupoints being used in actual combat conditions and if so, how did they fare in terms of reliability and durability.

I know Trjicon in general makes a high quality product but I'm trying to decide if I would prefer an ACOG (which has been proven in combat) over an Accupoint. I prefer the flexibility of adjustable magnification but at the same time I want some that can withstand rigorous use. I know ACOGs are considering bullet-proof (figuratively, not literally) but I'm curious to know how Accupoints hold up under similar adverse conditions.
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bassist  [Team Member]
4/25/2011 6:39:00 PM
OST. I'm facing the same question myself now (e.g. is it worth significantly more $$$ to upgrade from the Accupoint to the ACOG). In my research I found a lot of references saying that Navy EOD uses the Accupoint. Here's a picture from the Mk18Mod0 thread on this very forum; it looks like a TR-21 in a LaRue extended SPR mount?



Curious to hear how they hold up.
Matt_B  [Team Member]
4/28/2011 7:09:09 AM
Thanks for bringing that up. I searched for said references and though I did find them, that information is only from one source so it would seem their use is very uncommon. I suspected as such and now it's confirmed.
Colt41  [Member]
4/28/2011 5:29:42 PM
Good info. I can't confirm whether Accupoints have been used in combat but I do recall reading a few posts about them being used on patrol / duty rifles with great results. I believe I've also read that Trijicon tests them to the same standards as the ACOG.
Pointman1605  [Member]
4/28/2011 6:31:53 PM
I've been running one as my primary optic on a tactical team for over a year. No issues thus far. I personally think it's an ideal optics for L.E. It's as fast as my previous RDS's out to 100 yrds, but gives me the flexibility of target I.D. at extended ranges, which for us is usually less than 150 yards. Beyond that the sniper team would be forced to earn their money and we would be hiding somewhere safe.

It's been proven over and over that a RDS can be accurate at distance, but it's nice to dial the magnification up to 4x and view your objective from behind a rifle and not binos.

I also run a TA31 with a green chevron on another rifle. I would say, while neither the optic is made for precision, I prefer the Acog for shooting at extended distances due to the BDC. I suppose you could run the TR24 just fine at distance by working your turrets, but like keeping as much of my attention focused on my objective and not adjusting gear. Hope this helps.
greenhorseshoe  [Member]
4/28/2011 7:39:11 PM
Looking at that picture with the stock fully extended and the scope that far forward it seems like he would be better off with an aimpoint because he must be using that scope at 1x exclusively.
Matt_B  [Team Member]
4/28/2011 7:56:40 PM
Thanks for the replies folks.

I'm doing what most do at one time or another - find a do-it-all optic for my SHTF rifle and so far for me the TR21/24 is it. Besides having a TR21, I also have a TA31 so I know how rugged ACOGs are compared to Accupoints.

That said, based upon my self-defined engagement distances of 0-300 yards, my astigmatism, requirement for a lit reticle and magnification, Trijicons are my best bet. The only catch is which one.
SuperSet72  [Team Member]
4/28/2011 9:24:18 PM
I can't find it anymore but when Wes of MSTN posted here, he mentioned selling quite a few to Tier 1 teams.
ajamesb  [Member]
4/28/2011 10:54:08 PM
Edited...VA-gunnut
ihon  [Team Member]
4/30/2011 2:55:43 PM
I suspect there are a bunch of privately purchase Accupoints out there, especially before ACOGs got issued in the huge numbers they now are. Tons of people (military & contractors) bought their own optics early in the two wars as the Aimpoint was the general issued item for most. Many (including myself) look at the Accupoint as a poor man's Short Dot or as a variable powered ACOG. The Burris XTR, SS 1-4x & Vortex 1-4x were even on the drawing board yet. The TR21 was the hot item years ago before S&B released the Short Dot and was a major influence (along with the Leupold MK$ 1.5-4.5x) on the low powered variable optic market that is now really hot. Even afterward the Short Dot was released, at 1/3 to 1/2 the cost, many still went with an Accupoint. While not as rugged as an ACOG, it has a very similar illumination system that works very well. You could get an TR21 (1.25-4x) Accupoint for $450-500 new about 6 or 7 years ago. Compared to a S&B $1800 Short Dot and $800-1000 ACOG, it was a down right bargain. Now with the market saturated with a bunch of 1-4x optics, the Accupoint has some stiff competition.

For the civilian or LEO shooter, the Accupoint is a great option. As far as your self-defined engagement distances of 0-300 yards with an astigmatism, I am in the same boat. I got a TR24 w/ the amber post reticle and absolutely love it. I got a deal on an used Accupoint and the amber one was the cheapest I found. I would love to try the green, but the amber works fine for me, even in the desert. I do not feel lacking for having an amber reticle. I love the post reticle. It is big and bright. With the 0-300 self-defined engagement distances, it works perfectly. Even when the illumination washes out (like with a bright weapon light on a close light colored target-white cardboard), the solid black post is still there. So you never loose the reticle 100%. I have an astigmatism that makes an Aimpoint just barely usable. It stars pretty badly for me. I tried the Trijicon Tripower, but found the illumination lacking. I then got a Leupold Prismatic and TR24 1-4x Accupoint at close to the same time as I got them both used at a great price. With that said, while I really like the Prismatic, the Accupoint works perfectly for me.
sovereign  [Member]
4/30/2011 3:44:28 PM
Originally Posted By greenhorseshoe:
Looking at that picture with the stock fully extended and the scope that far forward it seems like he would be better off with an aimpoint because he must be using that scope at 1x exclusively.


That is a TR21 of some sort. The eye relief is... a lot.
Matt_B  [Team Member]
4/30/2011 3:47:11 PM
Originally Posted By sovereign:
Originally Posted By greenhorseshoe:
Looking at that picture with the stock fully extended and the scope that far forward it seems like he would be better off with an aimpoint because he must be using that scope at 1x exclusively.
That is a TR21 of some sort. The eye relief is... a lot.
The eye relief on the TR21 is generous but it's very manageable at 1.25X.

weaponoutfitters  [Dealer]
4/30/2011 8:51:14 PM
Various Accupoint models have been purchase for use on fighting guns... I remember there was proof positive of this somewhere in a solicitation, but here is a good source for military purchases on equipment

I'm assuming in this timeline, each time Trijicon is paid for "Telescopic sights" and not a specific ACOG or red dot model, we're talking about accupoints.

http://www.thegunzone.com/556dw-18.html
helotaxi  [Member]
5/1/2011 10:42:54 AM
Originally Posted By ihon:
(along with the Leupold MK$ 1.5-4.5x)


While I'm sure it was a typo, I LOL'd.
Market_Garden  [Team Member]
5/1/2011 10:55:30 AM
My TR24 couldn't survive a day of shooting in the rain. I wouldn't take an Accupoint into harm's way if it were free.
ihon  [Team Member]
5/1/2011 1:26:54 PM
helotaxi-

Actually it was a typo at first. Then when I saw what I did, I thought it was funny and left it.

Market_Garden-

Can you tell us your experience. I am hoping it was a lemon. It would be sad if it is a defect in the design. I don't get too many changes to shoot in the rain here in AZ, so I have never been able to test it. What did Trijicon say about it?
FunBobby  [Team Member]
5/1/2011 1:35:53 PM
Originally Posted By Market_Garden:
My TR24 couldn't survive a day of shooting in the rain. I wouldn't take an Accupoint into harm's way if it were free.


I've heard this complaint from several users, enough that I wouldn't take one over there
LaRue556  [Team Member]
5/1/2011 1:47:35 PM

Originally Posted By Matt_B:
I'm curious to know if anyone has or knows of Trijicon Accupoints being used in actual combat conditions and if so, how did they fare in terms of reliability and durability.

I know Trjicon in general makes a high quality product but I'm trying to decide if I would prefer an ACOG (which has been proven in combat) over an Accupoint. I prefer the flexibility of adjustable magnification but at the same time I want some that can withstand rigorous use. I know ACOGs are considering bullet-proof (figuratively, not literally) but I'm curious to know how Accupoints hold up under similar adverse conditions.

Oh? Guess you didn't read the story where the ACOG caught the round and saved a dude's life.
Market_Garden  [Team Member]
5/1/2011 1:48:56 PM

Originally Posted By ihon:
helotaxi-

Actually it was a typo at first. Then when I saw what I did, I thought it was funny and left it.

Market_Garden-

Can you tell us your experience. I am hoping it was a lemon. It would be sad if it is a defect in the design. I don't get too many changes to shoot in the rain here in AZ, so I have never been able to test it. What did Trijicon say about it?

I was at a carbine class a few months ago and it was raining all day. There were 2 guys there running TR24s (I was one of them) and both TR24s had significant water leak issues. Below is what my TR24 looked like by the end of the class. There is actually standing water inside the scope. I sent it back to Trijicon at my expense and it took 6 weeks to get a replacement from them. In that 6 week period I had another class, and since I was without an optic I bought a Nightforce NXS 1-4 to use. The NXS is in a different league compared to the Accupoint (of course it's more money too) and when I finally got my TR24 back I sold it and I use the NXS now. Now I'd pass off my one TR24 failure as an unfortunate fluke, but the fact that BOTH TR24s in my class leaked significant amounts of water, along with the fact that it took 6 weeks for Trijicon just to ship me a different scope, really shook my confidence in them. I didn't even ask Trijicon what went wrong with mine, but the other guy whose scope died in that class did. Trijicon told him "a seal failed." Well no shit.

bassist  [Team Member]
5/1/2011 3:33:46 PM
Holy crap! That's a pretty serious defect. Suddenly I don't want a TR24 so badly
goldeneye  [Member]
5/1/2011 4:50:32 PM
Originally Posted By bassist:
Holy crap! That's a pretty serious defect. Suddenly I don't want a TR24 so badly


you could say that again
carterbrunelle  [Member]
5/1/2011 6:33:54 PM
ha, that's crazy, i've never had that problem, so maybe it was just a certain run of them.... either way, lets hope my seals don't start failing!
Colt41  [Member]
5/1/2011 10:50:36 PM
Considering the popularity of the TR24 and other Accupoints in 3 Gun competitions and the hunting realm, that report really doesn't leave me concerned. These scopes are a hot item and have been on the market for a while, if that problem was universal among them I'm sure we'd be hearing stories left and right which isn't the case.
TEMPLARKNIGHT  [Member]
5/2/2011 12:52:14 AM
Originally Posted By Colt41:
Considering the popularity of the TR24 and other Accupoints in 3 Gun competitions and the hunting realm, that report really doesn't leave me concerned. These scopes are a hot item and have been on the market for a while, if that problem was universal among them I'm sure we'd be hearing stories left and right which isn't the case.

Agreed; never had a problem with my TR21-R.
ihon  [Team Member]
5/2/2011 2:07:08 AM
I am going to look into this as I am a big fan of the Accupoint line of optics. I will go through my manual and see what it says about water proof/resistance, etc. I will stick it in a tub of water to test it. I would really, really hate it to fail when I need it. Which would most likely be a hunt or a class. Yes I will post my results.
Matt_B  [Team Member]
5/2/2011 7:35:22 AM
I checked the Accupoint manual and in my version (dated from 2004), there's no mention of it being waterproof or water resistant so I did some Googling and found a few sites mention that it's "water resistant" down to 10 feet.
SA80Dan  [Team Member]
5/2/2011 8:50:05 AM
Originally Posted By TEMPLARKNIGHT:
Originally Posted By Colt41:
Considering the popularity of the TR24 and other Accupoints in 3 Gun competitions and the hunting realm, that report really doesn't leave me concerned. These scopes are a hot item and have been on the market for a while, if that problem was universal among them I'm sure we'd be hearing stories left and right which isn't the case.

Agreed; never had a problem with my TR21-R.


The biggest problem with Trijicon IMO is if your stuff does go wrong - their customer service is terrible. I had a problem with my TR24 where the focus ring wouldn't stay put under recoil....it would move a 1/4 turn every 30 round magazine or so. It took them 2 months and 2 trips back to them plus a lot of ignored phone calls and emails to get it sorted. Left a bad taste in my mouth.
Market_Garden  [Team Member]
5/2/2011 9:03:27 AM

Originally Posted By Matt_B:
I checked the Accupoint manual and in my version (dated from 2004), there's no mention of it being waterproof or water resistant so I did some Googling and found a few sites mention that it's "water resistant" down to 10 feet.

They don't say it's waterproof in the new manuals either. They do market heavily to hunters though and they say it's "the right choice for all light conditions and even the harshest environments." Now, I wouldn't necessarily expect to be able to go swimming with it, but you'd think an optic marketed to hunters and able to stand up to "the harshest environments" should be able to withstand some rain. Keep in mind two things also; this wasn't a small leak that later resulted in fogging, this was a huge leak that actually left standing water in the scope. Second, it wasn't just one TR24 that leaked, it was both TR24s in the class that day that had substantial water leaks. As SA80Dan said, their customer service sucks and I was pissed that it took me 6 weeks just to get a different scope from them. I'm glad I paid the extra for the Nightforce, and at least I'm confident that NF can actually make a scope that stands up to use. The ACOG line seems to be excellent, but I don't think the Accupoint line is built to anywhere near that level of durability.
Matt_B  [Team Member]
5/2/2011 10:15:37 AM
Market_Garden, in your unfortunate situation I believe you just received a defective optic. I'd bet they had a small batch of TR24s that had the same problem and the only reason some folks haven't encountered it yet is because they haven't used them in conditions that would cause the failure to occur.

At this point, I've decided I'm going to go for an ACOG on this rifle and I'll keep the Accupoint as a backup for both my 16" and 20" AR (my 20" wears a TA31).

IMHO, no matter how rugged the Accupoint is, the ACOG are more rugged. The way I think of it, if the Accupoint were just as well built as the ACOG, the Accupoints would cost considerably more.

As is always the case, choosing gear is always a compromise so I just need to prioritize my requirements and pick the optic that will best fulfill my needs.
Colt41  [Member]
5/2/2011 11:29:55 AM
Matt_B,

I think that's a fine decision and agree with your comment regarding the superior durability of the ACOGs. While the TR24's are by all indications a very durable and well built scope that should be able to handle the rigors of combat scenarios, there really isn't any match to the ACOG's ruggedness so it's all a bit of a compromise.

For my applications, the variable 1-4 magnification and BAC allows me to maximize effectiveness and time for the up close shots while facilitating with longer range shot accuracy on 4x. I could see this set up being advantageous in a law enforcement / urban setting where a true 1x is needed along with the option of having magnification just in case, however, if I'm going over seas and can only depend on one scope for all applications I'd run an ACOG with and RDS mounted atop. I really wouldn't be surprised to hear of the Accupoints being used in combat, though. Its construction is solid and (for me, atleast) the triangle reticle on 1x is just just as fast as my Aimpoint.
Matt_B  [Team Member]
5/2/2011 12:29:50 PM
Colt41, I agree with all your points about the Accupoint's versatility. I like them for the same reasons but for me durability is more important. I'm leaning towards a TA44S (1.5X) or TA47 (2X). The 2X seems a better compromise for magnification (halfway between 1X and 4x). At this point it comes down to reticle. I lean towards the circle/dot reticle on the TA44S (seems more useful to me). For the TA47 I prefer the triangle but its a little on the large size (9.2 MOA). The 23 MOA circle on the TA44S works well as a rudimentary range finder the the 2 MOA dot still gives adequate precision at 300 yds or less.
Matt_B  [Team Member]
5/2/2011 5:35:29 PM
I've made up my mind and ordered a TA44SR-10 1.5X. I did this because:
- It's light weight (a little under 7 oz with mount) will shave about 11 ounces off the rifle which already has a lightweight bbl and Magpul CTR.
- It's the closest to an RDS of all the ACOGs. 1.5X is still pretty darn quick on targets less than 25 yds in.
- The circle dot reticle gives speed in short range, precision in long range and even works as a range finder out to 300 yds. on human sized targets.
- The eye relief is pretty darn goo.

Thanks again for all the help.
Colt41  [Member]
5/2/2011 10:08:52 PM
Originally Posted By ihon:
I am going to look into this as I am a big fan of the Accupoint line of optics. I will go through my manual and see what it says about water proof/resistance, etc. I will stick it in a tub of water to test it. I would really, really hate it to fail when I need it. Which would most likely be a hunt or a class. Yes I will post my results.


I'm interested to see what your results are. Please take pictures and document the process if possible.
jonathon  [Team Member]
5/3/2011 2:16:08 AM
Originally Posted By Matt_B:
I've made up my mind and ordered a TA44SR-10 1.5X. I did this because:
- It's light weight (a little under 7 oz with mount) will shave about 11 ounces off the rifle which already has a lightweight bbl and Magpul CTR.
- It's the closest to an RDS of all the ACOGs. 1.5X is still pretty darn quick on targets less than 25 yds in.
- The circle dot reticle gives speed in short range, precision in long range and even works as a range finder out to 300 yds. on human sized targets.
- The eye relief is pretty darn goo.

Thanks again for all the help.


Looking forward to hearing how you like it :) I'm in the planning stages of a build that I want to use a TA44 on.. light weight no batteries is appealing to me.
BIP  [Member]
5/3/2011 6:32:25 AM
For the price of an ACOG, I would look at a USO SN-4. I ran one (1-4x mag with Illum and USMC Chevron reticle) on my M-4 during OIF multiple OIF deployments and it was bullet-proof. Even when my sling broke and the rifle fell 8 ft and landed right on the illum adjustment knob; scope still functional and didn't lose zero. Having the ability to adjust from 1-4x in an urban environment is a plus and the FFP reticle slams down to the size of red dot when on 1x. Also, the quality of the glass is heads and shoulders above the ACOG.
Colt41  [Member]
5/3/2011 11:19:49 AM
Originally Posted By BIP:
For the price of an ACOG, I would look at a USO SN-4. I ran one (1-4x mag with Illum and USMC Chevron reticle) on my M-4 during OIF multiple OIF deployments and it was bullet-proof. Even when my sling broke and the rifle fell 8 ft and landed right on the illum adjustment knob; scope still functional and didn't lose zero. Having the ability to adjust from 1-4x in an urban environment is a plus and the FFP reticle slams down to the size of red dot when on 1x. Also, the quality of the glass is heads and shoulders above the ACOG.


I'm not familiar with the USO's but from what I've seen and read about them their daytime illumination is lacking a bit and I'm not too crazy about the reticle. Also, you then have battery lifespan to consider. The daytime illumination on my TR24G's triangle reticle is incredibly bright and very fast to acquire. Not to say the USO wouldn't make a fine optic, but I believe a properly illuminated reticle plays a large role in speed and accuracy under stress which is one of the main reasons I could see the Accupoints being used in combat scenarios.
sovereign  [Member]
5/3/2011 12:20:21 PM
Originally Posted By ihon:
I am going to look into this as I am a big fan of the Accupoint line of optics. I will go through my manual and see what it says about water proof/resistance, etc. I will stick it in a tub of water to test it. I would really, really hate it to fail when I need it. Which would most likely be a hunt or a class. Yes I will post my results.


Any results?


Market_Garden  [Team Member]
5/3/2011 12:48:03 PM

Originally Posted By Colt41:
Originally Posted By BIP:
For the price of an ACOG, I would look at a USO SN-4. I ran one (1-4x mag with Illum and USMC Chevron reticle) on my M-4 during OIF multiple OIF deployments and it was bullet-proof. Even when my sling broke and the rifle fell 8 ft and landed right on the illum adjustment knob; scope still functional and didn't lose zero. Having the ability to adjust from 1-4x in an urban environment is a plus and the FFP reticle slams down to the size of red dot when on 1x. Also, the quality of the glass is heads and shoulders above the ACOG.


I'm not familiar with the USO's but from what I've seen and read about them their daytime illumination is lacking a bit and I'm not too crazy about the reticle. Also, you then have battery lifespan to consider. The daytime illumination on my TR24G's triangle reticle is incredibly bright and very fast to acquire. Not to say the USO wouldn't make a fine optic, but I believe a properly illuminated reticle plays a large role in speed and accuracy under stress which is one of the main reasons I could see the Accupoints being used in combat scenarios.

Have you actually tried using a non-illuminated reticle? I find my NXS with the FC2 reticle (with the illumination off) to be just as fast as my TR24 was before it died. I have used both optics in classes and in matches where you shoot under simulated stress and time pressure. Neither scope has a speed advantage over the other. Now, I wouldn't want a fine crosshair reticle with no illumination for fast shooting, but a well designed reticle intended for use with or without illumination at close range gives up nothing to something like the TR24.
Colt41  [Member]
5/3/2011 2:32:07 PM
Originally Posted By Market_Garden:

Originally Posted By Colt41:
Originally Posted By BIP:
For the price of an ACOG, I would look at a USO SN-4. I ran one (1-4x mag with Illum and USMC Chevron reticle) on my M-4 during OIF multiple OIF deployments and it was bullet-proof. Even when my sling broke and the rifle fell 8 ft and landed right on the illum adjustment knob; scope still functional and didn't lose zero. Having the ability to adjust from 1-4x in an urban environment is a plus and the FFP reticle slams down to the size of red dot when on 1x. Also, the quality of the glass is heads and shoulders above the ACOG.


I'm not familiar with the USO's but from what I've seen and read about them their daytime illumination is lacking a bit and I'm not too crazy about the reticle. Also, you then have battery lifespan to consider. The daytime illumination on my TR24G's triangle reticle is incredibly bright and very fast to acquire. Not to say the USO wouldn't make a fine optic, but I believe a properly illuminated reticle plays a large role in speed and accuracy under stress which is one of the main reasons I could see the Accupoints being used in combat scenarios.

Have you actually tried using a non-illuminated reticle? I find my NXS with the FC2 reticle (with the illumination off) to be just as fast as my TR24 was before it died. I have used both optics in classes and in matches where you shoot under simulated stress and time pressure. Neither scope has a speed advantage over the other. Now, I wouldn't want a fine crosshair reticle with no illumination for fast shooting, but a well designed reticle intended for use with or without illumination at close range gives up nothing to something like the TR24.


Absolutely, in fact every scope I've used up until trying the TA31 and TR24 I had never bothered running with the illumination on during daylight because I never found them to be as effective as when in the non-illuminated state. As soon as I tried the ACOG I knew I was hooked and I've been very pleased with the TR24G triangle so far as well (illumination on the TR24G actually appears to be more crisp in full daylight, imo). These were the first magnified optics I've tried that had a reticle which seemed to actually thrive in daylight use so it was a new experience for me. I understand it's all preference based on comfort level and training but, for me, the illuminated trijicon reticles have been an advantage.
BIP  [Member]
5/3/2011 5:29:26 PM
I can honestly say I never tried using an illuminated reticle during daylight......only during periods of transitioning illum/darkness. I was just suggesting that a variable power optic has certain advantages. And the chevron reticle does take a little getting used to...but once familiarity is established, sighting with it is fairly intuitive. Plus, I liked the range finding stadia lines in the lower left part and found them to be accurate. I am not saying it is the be all/end all optic, (all the manufacturer's mentioned in this thread make good products) just wanted to bring up another option.

R0N  [Team Member]
5/3/2011 6:31:44 PM
I always found the blazing red on the RCO very effective at moving from target to target or while conducting close shooting.
BILLBO  [Team Member]
5/7/2011 2:06:17 AM
Market_Garden

would it have been possible that you and the other guy at your carbine class got yours at the same sporting good store maybe a local place in your town?

its strange that 2 of them did that. I was highly considering a TR24 until seeing your report.
I live in oregon and it rains like all the time and rains heavy i have Accupoint 3x9x40 and on my .308 deer brush hunting rifle. This thing has been through 2 deer seasons in heavy rain and snow in western oregon to rain and heat of eastern the second year and i must its the most impressive 3x9 i have ever used and much rain that poured on it it might as well have been soaked in a tank of water oregon does not rain its pours

I am going to sell my Aimpoint M3 to get TR24 or Meotpa Meostar kdot but if the TR24 can't handle the rain i may not want it. The customer service you mentioned has me bothered as well. customer service to me is very important to me.
ihon  [Team Member]
5/7/2011 2:35:48 PM
Sorry for the delay, but I will dunk my Accupoint this weekend. I will be sure to take pictures and post a review.
Hayseed_40  [Member]
5/7/2011 6:18:48 PM
I love the concept of the TR24 but would not trust my life to it. There are better, more rugged 1-5ish scopes out there. I feel Market Garden's pain.
BILLBO  [Team Member]
5/7/2011 7:18:59 PM
Originally Posted By Hayseed_40:
I love the concept of the TR24 but would not trust my life to it. There are better, more rugged 1-5ish scopes out there. I feel Market Garden's pain.


Have you also have bad experience with them?
bullitt5172  [Member]
5/8/2011 9:34:41 AM
Originally Posted By BILLBO:
Market_Garden

would it have been possible that you and the other guy at your carbine class got yours at the same sporting good store maybe a local place in your town?

its strange that 2 of them did that. I was highly considering a TR24 until seeing your report.
I live in oregon and it rains like all the time and rains heavy i have Accupoint 3x9x40 and on my .308 deer brush hunting rifle. This thing has been through 2 deer seasons in heavy rain and snow in western oregon to rain and heat of eastern the second year and i must its the most impressive 3x9 i have ever used and much rain that poured on it it might as well have been soaked in a tank of water oregon does not rain its pours

I am going to sell my Aimpoint M3 to get TR24 or Meotpa Meostar kdot but if the TR24 can't handle the rain i may not want it. The customer service you mentioned has me bothered as well. customer service to me is very important to me.


There is absolutely no difference between any of the AccuPoints when it comes to build quality or durability. They are built by the same operators on the same line using the same components. I have read of a few TR24's that have had issues, I understand some are not happy and that makes me not happy. We build 3-4X as many TR24's as we do any other AccuPoint. There are more out there so there is more "data" from field use. But, like anything else on the internet, many will "complain" and few will "praise". The amount of TR24's we ship out is staggering, we receive very few back for issues. Steve Fisher, Magpul Dynamics, was involved from the beginning with the TR24 and no one has abused them more than he has. IIRC he currently has (5) of them and had never had an issue that I can recall.
Matt_B  [Team Member]
5/8/2011 9:55:31 AM
I think it's important to put things in perspective.

We have no hard data on how many Accupoints have been purchased by end users and in turn we have no hard data on how many of had issues. When two TR24s have the same problem in the same period, that would seem to be indicative of a bad batch of parts.

Please consider this - when people have a problem with a piece of gear, they almost always speak up. Conversely, when one's gear is running fine, they rarely say a thing.

I still went with a TA44SR-10 for my SHTF rifle but I'm not getting rid of my Accupoint.

Hayseed_40  [Member]
5/8/2011 12:17:15 PM
Originally Posted By BILLBO:
Originally Posted By Hayseed_40:
I love the concept of the TR24 but would not trust my life to it. There are better, more rugged 1-5ish scopes out there. I feel Market Garden's pain.


Have you also have bad experience with them?


Yes, I had a very bad experience with the TR24. Trijicon was quick in fixing (thanks!) but I had to ship back on my dime.

Bullitt is a good man and has good points and I am sure the vast majority of the TR24's are stellar. I believe what he states. Again, I love the concept of the TR24. The glass was clear - all things were great until it was fired. Trijicon hit a homerun with this scope in concept.

Manufacturers need to realize that having a good warranty is great but they need to pay closer attention to the part so the warranty does not get used. Damage already done to reputation. I had to send my TA11 back (again on my dime) within the same year because it came to me with a chip in the lens.

The TR24 still taunts me to get another, but quite frankly, I do not like spending that kind of money on an optic just to send back within 50rds. This was a very visible failure and several potential sales were lost that day. Trijicon did not have the courtousy to return my e-mail to explain what was wrong. No, they do not owe me that, but in this situation, they knew it would have gone a long way in repairing their reputation. Many needed to feel warm and fuzzy with the scope and just cannot.

Wil probably go with another Mark4 1.5-5x.
vandal  [Team Member]
5/8/2011 12:47:14 PM
Can you expand on what Trijicon intends by "...several intelligent features that make this scope the right choice for all light conditions and even the harshest environments."

What is the actual water resistance claim (if any) intended by "the hardhest environments"?

Originally Posted By bullitt5172:

There is absolutely no difference between any of the AccuPoints when it comes to build quality or durability. They are built by the same operators on the same line using the same components. I have read of a few TR24's that have had issues, I understand some are not happy and that makes me not happy. We build 3-4X as many TR24's as we do any other AccuPoint. There are more out there so there is more "data" from field use. But, like anything else on the internet, many will "complain" and few will "praise". The amount of TR24's we ship out is staggering, we receive very few back for issues. Steve Fisher, Magpul Dynamics, was involved from the beginning with the TR24 and no one has abused them more than he has. IIRC he currently has (5) of them and had never had an issue that I can recall.


GySgt_D  [Team Member]
5/8/2011 4:34:25 PM

Originally Posted By Market_Garden:
My TR24 couldn't survive a day of shooting in the rain. I wouldn't take an Accupoint into harm's way if it were free.


Mine hasn't fallen apart yet (can't say the same thing for the Leupold Prismatic I got, but that's another story), but: the reticle post is crooked, there is what appears to be glue on the reticle, and they couldn't even bother to put the "TRIJICON" label on straight.

I've been mightily disappointed in many of the big names these past couple years.
bcauz3y  [Team Member]
5/8/2011 5:32:28 PM

Originally Posted By GySgt_D:

Originally Posted By Market_Garden:
My TR24 couldn't survive a day of shooting in the rain. I wouldn't take an Accupoint into harm's way if it were free.


Mine hasn't fallen apart yet (can't say the same thing for the Leupold Prismatic I got, but that's another story), but: the reticle post is crooked, there is what appears to be glue on the reticle, and they couldn't even bother to put the "TRIJICON" label on straight.

I've been mightily disappointed in many of the big names these past couple years.
Same here. Oddly enough, I went back to some mid-range brands, and been very impressed.

I'm VERY hard on optics.

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