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tacticalarms77  [Member]
5/31/2011 1:11:57 PM
I recently purchased a RRA Tactical A4 and I am now in the market for an optic for it. This is my first rifle and I'm a total noob when it comes to optics. I've done my research, but i also like to hear from some of the experts here. I really wish i could afford the ACOG TA31, however my budget is only btw $500 to $600. I'll be shooting targets at a maximum of 300 yards for now. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Please let me know if you need any more info.

Thanks!!
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TheMercenary  [Team Member]
5/31/2011 1:35:56 PM
Trijicon 42mm Reflex

No Batteries
No Switches
Automaticaly adjust to lighting conditions "fiber optics"
Tritium for night time
Very bright and clear
Lower 1/3 co-wittness

You will LOVE it

And Ignore the price, you can find them a lot cheaper with Google shopping

EDIT:

Here is one for $552 with the flattop mount, and free shipping @ Optics Planet

You could also contact SWFA for a price match if you wish
Chrome308  [Member]
5/31/2011 1:45:31 PM
Are you mainly going to be punching paper with it?

Check out www.samplelist.com. In a first optic, buying something cheaper and/or used might be a smart idea, thinking you will replace whatever you get down the road, and with a much better idea what youre looking for.

A 3-9x serves most people well. With that budget you've got a lot of options, but if youre ok with a heavier scope, the SWFA SS 3-9x is a great scope for ~500. Another popular option is to go with a 1-4x scope for speed at close range.

Do you need something illuminated, or are you shooting in well lit conditions?
tacticalarms77  [Member]
5/31/2011 10:37:30 PM
Originally Posted By TheMercenary:
Trijicon 42mm Reflex

No Batteries
No Switches
Automaticaly adjust to lighting conditions "fiber optics"
Tritium for night time
Very bright and clear
Lower 1/3 co-wittness

You will LOVE it

And Ignore the price, you can find them a lot cheaper with Google shopping

EDIT:

Here is one for $552 with the flattop mount, and free shipping @ Optics Planet

You could also contact SWFA for a price match if you wish



I really do like the RX34A, however upon researching a bit, many shooters prefer an optic with 2 MOA reticle rather a 4 or higher. Do you think this would pose a problem shooting targets at close range (ex: 25 yards)? I will most likely be shooting during nice sunny days at the range and I don't anticipate shooting at 25 yards, but i'm just curious to know the answer.

Thank you!!!!

TheMercenary  [Team Member]
6/1/2011 1:09:38 PM
4.5moa for the Trijicon looks a lot smaller than you would think. Since it runs off of ambient light instead of a laser, there is no "star" pattern to the dot, it is more clear and crisp than a electric optic.

I shoot in 3gun and I run one of the old 24mm Reflex sights on my SBR and it perfoms exellent at 5 yards out to 100 yards.

And after having several of the Reflex sights and a ACOG, it now seems hard to justify buying a optic that requires batteries

EDIT:

I built this rifle for a customer with the 4.5moa dot about a year ago, and I loved it. I keep meaning to update my SBR to the 42mm Reflex and just have not got around to it yet



223Rem  [Member]
6/1/2011 2:39:30 PM
Originally Posted By Chrome308:
Are you mainly going to be punching paper with it?

Check out www.samplelist.com. In a first optic, buying something cheaper and/or used might be a smart idea, thinking you will replace whatever you get down the road, and with a much better idea what youre looking for.

A 3-9x serves most people well. With that budget you've got a lot of options, but if youre ok with a heavier scope, the SWFA SS 3-9x is a great scope for ~500. Another popular option is to go with a 1-4x scope for speed at close range.

Do you need something illuminated, or are you shooting in well lit conditions?


This......CMR or Tac30 with QD mount will be under $500.
DanTSX  [Team Member]
6/2/2011 8:25:45 AM
Originally Posted By tacticalarms77:
Originally Posted By TheMercenary:
Trijicon 42mm Reflex

No Batteries
No Switches
Automaticaly adjust to lighting conditions "fiber optics"
Tritium for night time
Very bright and clear
Lower 1/3 co-wittness

You will LOVE it

And Ignore the price, you can find them a lot cheaper with Google shopping

EDIT:

Here is one for $552 with the flattop mount, and free shipping @ Optics Planet

You could also contact SWFA for a price match if you wish



I really do like the RX34A, however upon researching a bit, many shooters prefer an optic with 2 MOA reticle rather a 4 or higher. Do you think this would pose a problem shooting targets at close range (ex: 25 yards)? I will most likely be shooting during nice sunny days at the range and I don't anticipate shooting at 25 yards, but i'm just curious to know the answer.

Thank you!!!!



The Trijicon reflex excels at close-range targets. The 42mm version is FAST.

Look at target
Swing rifle into position
Pull trigger

It's that easy with the reflex.

It does have some limitations. I think the aimpoints are a bit more flexible, but for close-up the reflex is a great choice that can be employed to longer ranges.
MTSCMike  [Member]
6/2/2011 8:59:28 AM
I like the Aimpoint CompM4 (or CompM4S). It has the 2 MOA dot, nominally 1/2" per click at 100 yards (actually 80 yards) and best of all...even though it has a battery...the battery life is rated at 8 years with continuous use. I just put a fresh one in once a year (Merry Christmas) and leave it on. Always ready.

But whether you choose a 2MOA or 4 MOA dot it helps to remember that most quality AR's will group 2MOA or better out to 300 yards (some more) and with the right zero (I use 200 yards) whatever is under the dot, within those range limits, when you press the trigger is gonna get hit!

SA80Dan  [Team Member]
6/2/2011 3:51:50 PM
In the $500 price range.....Vortex Viper PST 1-4x.
tacticalarms77  [Member]
6/2/2011 4:06:57 PM
I can play around with the budget a little bit. What do you guys think about the EOTech 553.A65????
217  [Team Member]
6/2/2011 4:14:46 PM
Aimpoint PRO. You can upgrade to the Larue mount and still be under $500.
325moutguru  [Team Member]
6/2/2011 4:29:50 PM
Originally Posted By SA80Dan:
In the $500 price range.....Vortex Viper PST 1-4x.


This, Aimpoints, EOtechs and Trijicon Reflex.

All are good options.
tacticalarms77  [Member]
6/2/2011 4:55:39 PM
Originally Posted By 217:
Aimpoint PRO. You can upgrade to the Larue mount and still be under $500.


I was sorta leaning towards Aimpoint CompM4S.
tacticalarms77  [Member]
6/2/2011 5:06:54 PM
My other question is that if i purchase Aimpoint CompM4S



Would it fit on my RRA CAR A4 without any adjustments? (I have the standard flattop rail, not the Dominator 2 Mount rail)


VivaLaFrance  [Member]
6/2/2011 6:53:03 PM
I've had just about every optic mentioned here. My choice after trying them all? For my use (0-300 yards with an AR-15 in both 5.56 and 6.8) is the SWFA SS 1-4HD - awesome glass, built like a tank, FFP reticle, mildot, illuminated. For $799 you can get one now in a package with a BOBRO mount, cat-tail, BC flipups, etc.
Projektile  [Team Member]
6/2/2011 7:39:33 PM
Originally Posted By tacticalarms77:
My other question is that if i purchase Aimpoint CompM4S

http://media.midwayusa.com/productimages/medium/186/186013.jpg

Would it fit on my RRA CAR A4 without any adjustments? (I have the standard flattop rail, not the Dominator 2 Mount rail)

http://www.rockriverarms.com/images/products/taca410.gif


Yep.
dethwort  [Member]
6/2/2011 7:41:46 PM
It looks like the Trijicon mentioned earlier in this thread can be mounted on the handle itself. Is this the case ? Are there any other optics that can be mounted on the actual carrying handle ? I'm also thinking about getting a scope but I don't want to reconfigure the whole upper. The handle on my RRA LAR-15 (entry tactical) is not mounted on a rail. It's a permanent part of the upper.
9divdoc  [Team Member]
6/2/2011 9:50:52 PM
Save your money for an ACOG and take a look at the TA-33 series

If you watch the EE regularly you can feret out a good deal on one....

If you can wait a couple of months the Vortex 1-4x24 Viper HS 30mm
will be out at $480

Also take a look at the Hawke 1-4 Endurance 30mm 1-4X24 $329.95

Ilya Koshkin at "Optics Thoughts" had good things to say about them & Hawke Riflescopes & Optics Company as well
tacticalarms77  [Member]
6/3/2011 9:11:20 PM
If I were to buy an ACOG TA31 and mount (TA51) it on my AR15, would it clear my front iron sight or do I need to buy a different mount?? I don't really want to co-witness.

Sorry about all the noob questions.

Thank you!!!!!!
TheMercenary  [Team Member]
6/4/2011 11:46:18 PM
The TA31 is a 4x magnified optic, you will not even see the front sight

The TA51 mount will work perfectly, as the M4 was the rifle it was designed for
jason_dunbar  [Member]
6/5/2011 11:02:03 AM
the big thing you have worry about with aimpoints, trijicon reflexs is you have astigmatism. i had both and when i looked through them the dots looked like star burst to me so think about that to. i know you will think i dont have a astigmatism because you have 20/20 vision well i thought that also but i have that problem.
jmt1271  [Team Member]
6/5/2011 3:13:16 PM
Originally Posted By SA80Dan:
In the $500 price range.....Vortex Viper PST 1-4x.


I had one of these. I was pretty impressed with the quality for sure. Was an overall excellent optic, with many pluses.

The only negative I could find with it, and it was not too bad, but I wish the reticle was little larger.
tacticalarms77  [Member]
6/5/2011 7:00:09 PM
The final decision has been made. It will be either a ACOG TA31 or TA31A. I know i said my budget was btw $500 to $600, but i have decided to spend the extra money for an optic with many features i like and that will suit my needs. Thank you all for your help!! Now i need to find a cheap reliable online store to purchase it from. So far botachtactical. calssportingarmory, and red-dot-scopes have lowest prices i can find. Has anyone had any good or bad experiences with any of these stores???

Greatly appreciate your help!!!!
oldguy870  [Member]
6/5/2011 8:14:15 PM
I have had good experiences with Red dot scopes dot.com.

I would urge you strongly to go with the TA11 or TA33 instead of the TA31.
jwb47  [Member]
6/6/2011 1:01:21 AM
you are gonna love a ta31 I have one and had it mounted on a carbine I built before moving it to my colt. you wont see any front sight with the 4x acog , but you will enjoy the extra magnification when shooting past 50 yds.


tacticalarms77  [Member]
6/6/2011 12:59:24 PM
Originally Posted By oldguy870:
I have had good experiences with Red dot scopes dot.com.

I would urge you strongly to go with the TA11 or TA33 instead of the TA31.


May i ask why???

Honestly, one of the reasons i chose TA31 was BAC.
tacticalarms77  [Member]
6/6/2011 1:12:19 PM
Originally Posted By jwb47:
you are gonna love a ta31 I have one and had it mounted on a carbine I built before moving it to my colt. you wont see any front sight with the 4x acog , but you will enjoy the extra magnification when shooting past 50 yds.


http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f247/jwb47/DSC_0055.jpg


The Reflex is nice in concept, but does not work as well. I've only had th older version, not the current one. The dot easily washed out when looking out into a bright area. This also happens when you are in lowlight and use a weaponlight to illuminate your target. The wash out with weaponlights also happens with Aimpiints and EOTechs when they are set low (that's why I leave mine on 10).]


According this comment red dot easily washes out in a bright area and it has me a little concerned as i will most likely be shooting outside on sunny days. Even though that comment is talking about the Reflex, I have read the same about ACOGs. Can you please tell me about your experience??

Thank you!!


chewbacca  [Team Member]
6/6/2011 4:15:33 PM
Originally Posted By tacticalarms77:
Originally Posted By jwb47:
you are gonna love a ta31 I have one and had it mounted on a carbine I built before moving it to my colt. you wont see any front sight with the 4x acog , but you will enjoy the extra magnification when shooting past 50 yds.


http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f247/jwb47/DSC_0055.jpg


The Reflex is nice in concept, but does not work as well. I've only had th older version, not the current one. The dot easily washed out when looking out into a bright area. This also happens when you are in lowlight and use a weaponlight to illuminate your target. The wash out with weaponlights also happens with Aimpiints and EOTechs when they are set low (that's why I leave mine on 10).]


According this comment red dot easily washes out in a bright area and it has me a little concerned as i will most likely be shooting outside on sunny days. Even though that comment is talking about the Reflex, I have read the same about ACOGs. Can you please tell me about your experience??

Thank you!!




The ACOG is awesome in bright light. In fact, the reticle is so bright during the day, some folks put tape over the fiber optic just to lessen the brightness. I live in the desert and I never put tape over the fiber optic, I welcome the brightness. Even if the reticle "washed out" if you are in a dark environment shooting into a brightly lit environment, the reticle will be black as it is an etched reticle. So in other words, worse case scenario, the reticle will appear like a "normal" scope reticle.
597newbie  [Team Member]
6/6/2011 6:54:57 PM
Just to clarify, are you looking for magnification?

I apologize if I missed this when reading thru. I was in the same place 6 months ago.
tacticalarms77  [Member]
6/6/2011 8:11:36 PM
Honestly, here are reasons as to why i picked TA31;

4x magnification
BAC
and its compact size

I know i can get the same magnification, if not better, with some of the longer scopes, but as i said i like the fact that TA31 is much smaller.
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