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Quick question for 2-point guys?
4/14/2012 6:07:25 PM
So i have decided to carry my ar-15 in a 2 point sling. My question to you 2 point guys is do you carry muzzle up or down and why?
I am thinking muzzle up when i have the rifle on my back and muzzle down when i have my rifle in my hands. I am asking because i couldn't find any answers on this on the other pages. Thanks
I am thinking muzzle up when i have the rifle on my back and muzzle down when i have my rifle in my hands. I am asking because i couldn't find any answers on this on the other pages. Thanks
4/14/2012 6:14:05 PM
I always do it muzzle down. Lowers the chance of sweeping some one with the noisy end. It kind of bugs them when you do that.
4/14/2012 6:17:31 PM
Yea i see what you mean it just feels awkward like that, but i will train like that to get a better feel for it thanks. I was thinking i would carry muzzle up when i am alone out in the desert hiking btw.
4/14/2012 6:23:38 PM
I recently went to a two point from a three point.
It feels loose and clumsy after having that three point keep it tight up on me.
I carry muzzle down, because muzzle up would put it right at someone's skull in a stack.
I'm considering going back to my three point.
It feels loose and clumsy after having that three point keep it tight up on me.
I carry muzzle down, because muzzle up would put it right at someone's skull in a stack.
I'm considering going back to my three point.
4/14/2012 6:27:16 PM
Thanks for the reply's cause i have no instructor to ask, i will carry muzzle down from now on.
4/14/2012 7:14:58 PM
Muzzle down.
4/14/2012 7:21:35 PM
Originally Posted By TDunn:
Muzzle down.
Muzzle down.
Same.
OP, out of curiosity, what sling are you using?
4/14/2012 7:23:07 PM
Well i just got done cooking outside with my ar-15 slung on my back with the muzzle down, and the charging handle is digging into my back. This sucks but i guess there no way around it, and i have a regular mill spec charging handle btw does this happen to any of you guys?
4/14/2012 7:23:58 PM
magpul ms3 sling right now cause i wanted to try out single point, but went to a 2 point instead.
4/14/2012 7:39:48 PM
muzzle up when it's on your back
4/14/2012 8:45:27 PM
Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
muzzle up when it's on your back
muzzle up when it's on your back
yes this how i will do it when i am alone
4/14/2012 8:49:09 PM
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
yes this how i will do it when i am alone
Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
muzzle up when it's on your back
muzzle up when it's on your back
yes this how i will do it when i am alone
I always do muzzle up when it's on your back.
When we were telling you muzzle down, we thought you were resting your rifle like this:
If its on your back, it should look like this:
or like this:
4/14/2012 9:22:55 PM
ooo i see what you mean now. It feels a lot better with muzzle up on my back anyways. Are you sure it wont sweep anyone's head still since it's at an angle??
4/14/2012 9:25:30 PM
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
ooo i see what you mean now. It feels a lot better with muzzle up on my back anyways. Are you sure it wont sweep anyone's head still since it's at an angle??
ooo i see what you mean now. It feels a lot better with muzzle up on my back anyways. Are you sure it wont sweep anyone's head still since it's at an angle??
Mine actually points more up than that picture.
Just be mindful.
4/14/2012 9:28:08 PM
Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
Mine actually points more up than that picture.
Just be mindful.
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
ooo i see what you mean now. It feels a lot better with muzzle up on my back anyways. Are you sure it wont sweep anyone's head still since it's at an angle??
ooo i see what you mean now. It feels a lot better with muzzle up on my back anyways. Are you sure it wont sweep anyone's head still since it's at an angle??
Mine actually points more up than that picture.
Just be mindful.
So either way would be good just be careful of muzzle direction. thanks a lot, mine points more toward the air to than to picture
4/14/2012 9:42:32 PM
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
magpul ms3 sling right now cause i wanted to try out single point, but went to a 2 point instead.
magpul ms3 sling right now cause i wanted to try out single point, but went to a 2 point instead.
Right, I gathered that from the OP, I was just curious of the brand and/or design?
IMO, the adjustable two points like the VCAS from Blue Force Gear combine the best features of all slings.
4/14/2012 9:57:37 PM
Originally Posted By 25Chuck:
Right, I gathered that from the OP, I was just curious of the brand and/or design?
IMO, the adjustable two points like the VCAS from Blue Force Gear combine the best features of all slings.
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
magpul ms3 sling right now cause i wanted to try out single point, but went to a 2 point instead.
magpul ms3 sling right now cause i wanted to try out single point, but went to a 2 point instead.
Right, I gathered that from the OP, I was just curious of the brand and/or design?
IMO, the adjustable two points like the VCAS from Blue Force Gear combine the best features of all slings.
would the molded acetal be better or the cnc for the adjuster??
4/14/2012 10:06:39 PM
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
would the molded acetal be better or the cnc for the adjuster??
Originally Posted By 25Chuck:
Right, I gathered that from the OP, I was just curious of the brand and/or design?
IMO, the adjustable two points like the VCAS from Blue Force Gear combine the best features of all slings.
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
magpul ms3 sling right now cause i wanted to try out single point, but went to a 2 point instead.
magpul ms3 sling right now cause i wanted to try out single point, but went to a 2 point instead.
Right, I gathered that from the OP, I was just curious of the brand and/or design?
IMO, the adjustable two points like the VCAS from Blue Force Gear combine the best features of all slings.
would the molded acetal be better or the cnc for the adjuster??
Honestly, that wasn't an option when I bought mine. I would guess the molded one is lighter but the metal one is probably stronger. FWIW, all mine are metal.
4/14/2012 10:16:43 PM
I am sure it wont really matter. Ill get the vcas sling next after i buy some ammo, and other stuff since i am happy with my ms3 right now
4/14/2012 10:18:13 PM
Originally Posted By 25Chuck:
Same.
OP, out of curiosity, what sling are you using?
Originally Posted By TDunn:
Muzzle down.
Muzzle down.
Same.
OP, out of curiosity, what sling are you using?
do you carry your rifle muzzle up on your back like bcauzy said?
4/14/2012 10:33:31 PM
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
do you carry your rifle muzzle up on your back like bcauzy said?
Originally Posted By 25Chuck:
Same.
OP, out of curiosity, what sling are you using?
Originally Posted By TDunn:
Muzzle down.
Muzzle down.
Same.
OP, out of curiosity, what sling are you using?
do you carry your rifle muzzle up on your back like bcauzy said?
I really can't think of a time that I've carried it on my back, usually I use the adjuster to tighten the sling so it sits high on my chest with the muzzle down. I figure if I am going to hump around an AR it should be "ready for action", so to speak, so I don't really like carrying rifles on my back for anything other than carrying a hunting rifle with a traditional two point sling through the woods.
If it's on your back, muzzle up or down really doesn't matter as long as it is pointed in a safe direction. I would go muzzle up to keep the dirt and crap out in case I fall.
4/14/2012 10:37:04 PM
Originally Posted By 25Chuck:
I really can't think of a time that I've carried it on my back, usually I use the adjuster to tighten the sling so it sits high on my chest with the muzzle down. I figure if I am going to hump around an AR it should be "ready for action", so to speak, so I don't really like carrying rifles on my back for anything other than carrying a hunting rifle with a traditional two point sling through the woods.
If it's on your back, muzzle up or down really doesn't matter as long as it is pointed in a safe direction. I would go muzzle up to keep the dirt and crap out in case I fall.
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
do you carry your rifle muzzle up on your back like bcauzy said?
Originally Posted By 25Chuck:
Same.
OP, out of curiosity, what sling are you using?
Originally Posted By TDunn:
Muzzle down.
Muzzle down.
Same.
OP, out of curiosity, what sling are you using?
do you carry your rifle muzzle up on your back like bcauzy said?
I really can't think of a time that I've carried it on my back, usually I use the adjuster to tighten the sling so it sits high on my chest with the muzzle down. I figure if I am going to hump around an AR it should be "ready for action", so to speak, so I don't really like carrying rifles on my back for anything other than carrying a hunting rifle with a traditional two point sling through the woods.
If it's on your back, muzzle up or down really doesn't matter as long as it is pointed in a safe direction. I would go muzzle up to keep the dirt and crap out in case I fall.
Thanks for your thoughts, i see your point about keeping it ready for action. I feel good about muzzle down or up on my back and muzzle down only on my chest.
4/15/2012 9:18:38 AM
I prefer the acetal adjuster. It may not be as strong, but it doesn't make noise when it hits the receiver and it can't scratch the receiver. BFG has only had a couple of acetal adjuster failures.
While carrying, I am muzzle down with the rifle on my back, but very close to my strong side.
While carrying, I am muzzle down with the rifle on my back, but very close to my strong side.
4/15/2012 5:26:48 PM
Originally Posted By jough43:
I prefer the acetal adjuster. It may not be as strong, but it doesn't make noise when it hits the receiver and it can't scratch the receiver. BFG has only had a couple of acetal adjuster failures.
While carrying, I am muzzle down with the rifle on my back, but very close to my strong side.
I prefer the acetal adjuster. It may not be as strong, but it doesn't make noise when it hits the receiver and it can't scratch the receiver. BFG has only had a couple of acetal adjuster failures.
While carrying, I am muzzle down with the rifle on my back, but very close to my strong side.
Does your charging handle dig into your back with muzzle down on your back, because mine does.
4/15/2012 6:13:35 PM
This is what I mean by muzzle down on a 2 point when traveling. Low profile as far as bystanders and public see from a distance, quick into action, and keeps the muzzle in a controlled and safe direction. I also like keeping the rifle on the non-dominant shoulder which keeps it from fouling or bumping off the sidearm.
4/15/2012 9:19:49 PM
thanks tdun. You made great points for me for when i carry muzzle down, but when it's the way like in the picture it feels awkward and not stable. I'd prefer to carry it muzzle down, but at and angle where it still points in a safe direction.
4/15/2012 9:26:38 PM
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
thanks tdun. You made great points for me for when i carry muzzle down, but when it's the way like in the picture it feels awkward and not stable. I'd prefer to carry it muzzle down, but at and angle where it still points in a safe direction.
thanks tdun. You made great points for me for when i carry muzzle down, but when it's the way like in the picture it feels awkward and not stable. I'd prefer to carry it muzzle down, but at and angle where it still points in a safe direction.
You have to understand the difference between transporting and getting out of action as far as a sling is concerned.
If you are engaged, and have to transition, or "stow" your rifle, the pictured "transport" method is not advised.
If you are simply walking from the range to your car, or from your car to your house, then the "transport" method is fine.
This is all IME of course.
YMMV
4/16/2012 1:56:50 AM
Originally Posted By bcauz3y:
You have to understand the difference between transporting and getting out of action as far as a sling is concerned.
If you are engaged, and have to transition, or "stow" your rifle, the pictured "transport" method is not advised.
If you are simply walking from the range to your car, or from your car to your house, then the "transport" method is fine.
This is all IME of course.
YMMV
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
thanks tdun. You made great points for me for when i carry muzzle down, but when it's the way like in the picture it feels awkward and not stable. I'd prefer to carry it muzzle down, but at and angle where it still points in a safe direction.
thanks tdun. You made great points for me for when i carry muzzle down, but when it's the way like in the picture it feels awkward and not stable. I'd prefer to carry it muzzle down, but at and angle where it still points in a safe direction.
You have to understand the difference between transporting and getting out of action as far as a sling is concerned.
If you are engaged, and have to transition, or "stow" your rifle, the pictured "transport" method is not advised.
If you are simply walking from the range to your car, or from your car to your house, then the "transport" method is fine.
This is all IME of course.
YMMV
Yes all very good advice thanks bcauzy. I really need to go take a carbine course or get out to the desert, and train with my rifle. The transfer method doesn't feel right to me as well even just walking to my car like that i feel it can be taken away from me easily.
4/16/2012 10:56:42 PM
Originally Posted By jukeboxx13:
[Yes all very good advice thanks bcauzy. I really need to go take a carbine course or get out to the desert, and train with my rifle. The transfer method doesn't feel right to me as well even just walking to my car like that i feel it can be taken away from me easily.
[Yes all very good advice thanks bcauzy. I really need to go take a carbine course or get out to the desert, and train with my rifle. The transfer method doesn't feel right to me as well even just walking to my car like that i feel it can be taken away from me easily.
Not sure I understand your concern. If I am worried about it being taken away from me (or needing to employ it immediately), the rifle is in my hands where it might do some good. When slung, it is just as secure from attack muzzle down as muzzle up. For me, muzzle down is much faster to transition out of into a shooting platform. It is also low profile and doesn't scream gun to folks watching from afar so it adds a degree of stealth. YMMV. Get some training in both and see which suits you better.
4/16/2012 11:52:07 PM
Originally Posted By TDunn:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4osl4oebPqg/S7IDU7cr5nI/AAAAAAAAAW8/6tDaK16e8CA/s1600/AZ+Townhall+Gunman.jpg
This is what I mean by muzzle down on a 2 point when traveling. Low profile as far as bystanders and public see from a distance, quick into action, and keeps the muzzle in a controlled and safe direction. I also like keeping the rifle on the non-dominant shoulder which keeps it from fouling or bumping off the sidearm.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4osl4oebPqg/S7IDU7cr5nI/AAAAAAAAAW8/6tDaK16e8CA/s1600/AZ+Townhall+Gunman.jpg
This is what I mean by muzzle down on a 2 point when traveling. Low profile as far as bystanders and public see from a distance, quick into action, and keeps the muzzle in a controlled and safe direction. I also like keeping the rifle on the non-dominant shoulder which keeps it from fouling or bumping off the sidearm.
I feel when it is slung like this it can be taken away easily because its loose when i tried it that way, but yes i do need to train with it more before i can be certain.
