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14.5" grouping problems.
2/28/2012 1:40:20 AM
What I have is a STAG 14.5 delta profile 1:7 twist. stag upper, troy free float mrf,
I have tried 4 different types of ammo XM193, XM855, 75 grain hornady, fiocchi 62 g FMJ and the best 10 shot group I can get is 4" at 100 yards with my Ta-01 acog
I had my dad shoot it, and he and I are pretty good shooters. I have had problems with other stag barrels (mostly the 16" 1:9 series)and is this acceptable groups.
I guess my question is what kind of grouping are you guys getting at 100 yards with 4X scopes and 14.5" barels BCM, DD, Spikes, etc.
Thanks in advance,
-Otto
I have tried 4 different types of ammo XM193, XM855, 75 grain hornady, fiocchi 62 g FMJ and the best 10 shot group I can get is 4" at 100 yards with my Ta-01 acog
I had my dad shoot it, and he and I are pretty good shooters. I have had problems with other stag barrels (mostly the 16" 1:9 series)and is this acceptable groups.
I guess my question is what kind of grouping are you guys getting at 100 yards with 4X scopes and 14.5" barels BCM, DD, Spikes, etc.
Thanks in advance,
-Otto
2/28/2012 7:41:48 AM
I have a Noveske Afghan 14.5" and groupings at 100 yards are under 1 " EASILY
2/28/2012 10:29:45 AM
yea that's what I was used to with my WOA 16" SS barrel, but stupid me I wanted a 14.5" because the Marines use it!
I have a hard time thinking these groupings are standard for chromed line steel barrels.
Below is NOT posted by SOPOOTTO:
Got to remember that a 14.5" barrel would be a SBR on a rifle, so a permanent device has to be added to the end of the barrel to bring it up to 16" long.
Depending on how the permanent extension device was added, that alone could be the problem at hand.
I have a hard time thinking these groupings are standard for chromed line steel barrels.
Below is NOT posted by SOPOOTTO:
Got to remember that a 14.5" barrel would be a SBR on a rifle, so a permanent device has to be added to the end of the barrel to bring it up to 16" long.
Depending on how the permanent extension device was added, that alone could be the problem at hand.
2/28/2012 11:28:46 AM
how did you edit my post??
Anyway yea it has a flash hider drilled tapped & welded over the top!
Anyway yea it has a flash hider drilled tapped & welded over the top!
2/28/2012 11:34:01 AM
I get kind of tired people telling me about legalities, What if I have an FFL with class 03 license then I would legally be able to posses rifles configured as SBR's for "demos"
2/28/2012 1:55:52 PM
Sorry about that, hit edit instead of quote, and the reason for me posting in your response.
As for having a SBR, not a problem, but wanted to point out that on some SBR barrels with longer permanent extenders installed to make then non SBR lenghts, some times its the way the extender was installed that can cause problems.
If the barrel is heated too hot (flame brazed instead of just the blind hole tig'd shut, then it can cause the last inch of the barrel to warp out of bore line,and cause problems,including light bullet strikes to the extender.
Even worse, since the extender can not be pulled easily, getting the crown clean can be a bear as well (read don't know what may have been cooked to the crown as well).
As for having a SBR, not a problem, but wanted to point out that on some SBR barrels with longer permanent extenders installed to make then non SBR lenghts, some times its the way the extender was installed that can cause problems.
If the barrel is heated too hot (flame brazed instead of just the blind hole tig'd shut, then it can cause the last inch of the barrel to warp out of bore line,and cause problems,including light bullet strikes to the extender.
Even worse, since the extender can not be pulled easily, getting the crown clean can be a bear as well (read don't know what may have been cooked to the crown as well).
2/28/2012 2:35:43 PM
I can understand that if you heated it up that could affect it, but I did remove it and tried a different flash hider. Also it was tig welded so it should have barely even got warm around it.
I am really leaning towards the fact that stag has sent me a lemon barrel, but not having another chrome lined 14.5" I cant tell if that's standard. I did order a Daniel defense 14.5" CHF lightweight so I can wait until it shows up.
I am really leaning towards the fact that stag has sent me a lemon barrel, but not having another chrome lined 14.5" I cant tell if that's standard. I did order a Daniel defense 14.5" CHF lightweight so I can wait until it shows up.
2/28/2012 10:31:39 PM
Some production barrel can be lemons from the start, so may need to have the barrel replaced. The only question comes down to, since you did remove the FS, will they still warranty the barrel for free.
And yes I harking on this, since the prison time/fines for having a unregistered SBR are pretty steep (up to 10 years and $200,000 fine, and is a felony which prevents you from ever owning a firearm again), just want to make sure that anyone reading this topic is aware. The way that the BAFT will measure barrel length is by locking the bolt, then dropping a dowel down the barrel bore. It's the distance from the lock bolt face to the end of barrel bore crown (not end of FS if you can spin it off with a wrench), or permanent BATF approved installed barrel extension. The length of a thread on type FS/Brake not BAFT approved method permanently attached, nor the barrel extension length count as length of the over-all barrel.
And yes I harking on this, since the prison time/fines for having a unregistered SBR are pretty steep (up to 10 years and $200,000 fine, and is a felony which prevents you from ever owning a firearm again), just want to make sure that anyone reading this topic is aware. The way that the BAFT will measure barrel length is by locking the bolt, then dropping a dowel down the barrel bore. It's the distance from the lock bolt face to the end of barrel bore crown (not end of FS if you can spin it off with a wrench), or permanent BATF approved installed barrel extension. The length of a thread on type FS/Brake not BAFT approved method permanently attached, nor the barrel extension length count as length of the over-all barrel.
2/29/2012 4:04:18 PM
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2/29/2012 4:05:32 PM
yea I ordered the barrel stripped and then pinned myself.
I guess I should post this in general discussion as "lets see those groups with M4 14.5" barrels"
Then compare my results to others.
FYI- We are a STAG dealer so they take very good care of us.
I guess I should post this in general discussion as "lets see those groups with M4 14.5" barrels"
Then compare my results to others.
FYI- We are a STAG dealer so they take very good care of us.
2/29/2012 4:19:35 PM
Here is my Noveske 14.5 at 100 yards relatively rapid fire with Aimpoint 4 MOA 20 rounds
2/29/2012 5:58:57 PM
Thanks for that pic, thats what I wish this thing would shoot.
unfortunately you are the only other person who has responded. So my data compiling is nil.
Nice group
unfortunately you are the only other person who has responded. So my data compiling is nil.
Nice group
