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 What's the difference between these POSP scopes?
rightwing87  [Member]
2/12/2011 6:58:07 AM EST
Kalinka: POSP

and

Cope's: POSP

The Cope's says it's Russian. I didn't think we could get Russian scopes in the US. Which one is the most updated model?
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CPD363  [Member]
2/12/2011 7:37:24 AM EST
They look the same to me other than the POSP label.
These appear to be for AK and Saigas not SVD types.

The Russian POSP website points out the differences in the brackets:


Type 1 or Dragunov style mount found on the POSP-type rifle scope. This type of mounting clamp has a forward placed stop pin. The clamp has to slide all the way forward on the rail with the pin being guided by the groove in the rail until it catches the closed end of the groove in the left most position. REMEMBER that the scopes with the Type-1 mounting clamp will properly fit the plate on your rifle ONLY if the frond end of the groove is CLOSED. Closed middle grove won't allow the scope to come off at the other end of the rail and the scope will always retain its "zero".

Up.



Type 2 (AK type) of mounting clamp has the rear placed stop pin and designed to fit mounting plates found on AK, Saiga, and Vepr rifles. The clamp has to slide forward on the rail until it is being stopped as the pin comes against the back (right) end of the mounting plate. REMEMBER that the scopes with the AK/Saiga type mounting clamp will properly fit the plate on your rifle ONLY if the plate has a CLOSED right end of the rail. This mount places the scope a little higher on the weapon and not as far forward as the type 1 mount.

TX-Zen  [Team Member]
2/12/2011 7:43:32 AM EST
In addition to that the AK mount is taller than the SVD mount so that it will fit the AK receiver.



The only difference I could possibly see between them is that the Kalinka model you linked to is the 400m range finder Simonov reticule. The Copes model could be that as well or it could be the 1000m range finder version which will be calibrated for 7.62x54R most likely. The Simonov model has equal distances between the range lines on the top dial, I assume it's calibrated in MOA rather than for a specific cartridge.

These are modern civilian versions of the PSO scope, neither is a true military scope but they are tough as nails and very durable.


And yes we can get Russian optics over here, they are very common and easy to find. There is no ban on optics that I've ever heard of.




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Liquidmetal  [Team Member]
2/12/2011 8:37:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By rightwing87:

I didn't think we could get Russian scopes in the US.

Those scopes are not Russian, they're Belarusian.
rightwing87  [Member]
2/12/2011 2:20:56 PM EST
Originally Posted By Liquidmetal:

Originally Posted By rightwing87:

I didn't think we could get Russian scopes in the US.

Those scopes are not Russian, they're Belarusian.


Wonder why the Cope's says "Russian" then?

Liquidmetal  [Team Member]
2/12/2011 3:54:14 PM EST

Originally Posted By rightwing87:
Originally Posted By Liquidmetal:

Originally Posted By rightwing87:

I didn't think we could get Russian scopes in the US.

Those scopes are not Russian, they're Belarusian.


Wonder why the Cope's says "Russian" then?


It's almost always due to ignorance, from buyers and sellers alike. People see that style of scope and just assume it's Russian. Most people probably could not find Belarus on a map.

All POSPs are made by Zenit in Minsk, Belarus. Most (but not all) PSOs are made by NPZ in Russia. They look virtually identical, but there are subtle differences. Both Zenit and NPZ made scopes for the Russian army when the Soviet Union was in existence.

Richard257  [Team Member]
2/12/2011 8:23:08 PM EST
The difference between these two scopes is $30.00.
dragunov  [Team Member]
2/13/2011 8:22:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By rightwing87:
I didn't think we could get Russian scopes in the US.

We can. Kalinka sells the NPZ line of scopes and those are made in Russia.

http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/rifle-scopes/pso.html

Edited to include:

You may have been thinking about the Russian refusal to export "military" scopes, what are simply scopes with a rangefinder calibrated to the height of a man (1.7 or 1.8 meters). NPZ scopes are calibrated to the height of an elk or similar animal.
rightwing87  [Member]
2/13/2011 9:50:19 AM EST
Originally Posted By dragunov:

Originally Posted By rightwing87:
I didn't think we could get Russian scopes in the US.

We can. Kalinka sells the NPZ line of scopes and those are made in Russia.

http://www.kalinkaoptics.com/rifle-scopes/pso.html

Edited to include:

You may have been thinking about the Russian refusal to export "military" scopes, what are simply scopes with a rangefinder calibrated to the height of a man (1.7 or 1.8 meters). NPZ scopes are calibrated to the height of an elk or similar animal.


No Russian "military" scopes is what I must have read. I thought I had read "all" scopes before. That makes sense.
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