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 Quality of BeLOMO optics?
wulkyrie  [Member]
12/28/2011 12:05:15 PM
Considering a 6x or 8x one listed on the EastWave site. But could not find too much feedback. What is the quality of the glass? Can someone post a picture of the reticle w/ a target to show resolution /chromatic aberrations around the edge? How accurate is the range finding setup? TIA
Liquidmetal  [Team Member]
12/28/2011 6:26:22 PM
I would think the perceived quality of the glass would be relative to what a particular person was accustomed to or expected. Not everyone has the same definition of quality glass.

I think POSPs have good glass for their price range. They can't compete with mid-range or high-end Western glass, but at their price point they shouldn't have to. Good glass at a good price is how I think of them. I do not hold them to the same standard as that of scopes I have spent $500 or more on.

Notable exception is the PO 3.5x21P. For whatever reason, BelOMO bestows that optic with exceptional glass (and a huge FOV) that goes above and beyond it's price.

My two cents on the matter...
GrantS  [Member]
12/28/2011 7:04:07 PM
In cost VS value, I'd say the Posp's are so-so. Just me.

For the cost of a 6X POSP scope, or the "pilade" scopes (Regular 1" scope tubes with Russian Reticles), Western optics of the same price are higher quality (in my opinion).

Now the Russian scopes have plusses of good reticles, and are pretty rugged, although to me, I've seen more problems of "Posp Broken, flecks in scope,etc." small complaints that I don't see with Bushnell Elite's, Nikon Buckmaster's,etc.etc.

I am eventually wanting to get a 4X Pilade scope with a SVD reticle though.
wulkyrie  [Member]
12/29/2011 12:09:34 PM
Originally Posted By GrantS:
In cost VS value, I'd say the Posp's are so-so. Just me.

For the cost of a 6X POSP scope, or the "pilade" scopes (Regular 1" scope tubes with Russian Reticles), Western optics of the same price are higher quality (in my opinion).

Now the Russian scopes have plusses of good reticles, and are pretty rugged, although to me, I've seen more problems of "Posp Broken, flecks in scope,etc." small complaints that I don't see with Bushnell Elite's, Nikon Buckmaster's,etc.etc.

I am eventually wanting to get a 4X Pilade scope with a SVD reticle though.


I read in the AK Files that the Pilade scopes are not as good as the Belomo ones. Just wonder if you have used them side-by-side. Considering the features and the magnification, if I get a western-branded name ones, invariably they will be made in China (same price range). My only concern is that the item comes from company direct. Uncertain about support and replacement ie CS. I do not expect the same quality as USO, Leupold, etc. I am wanting a midrange scope for battlefield accuracy, not a 1000 yd paper puncher.
Thanks for the info

Would still want to see pic of a reticle.
GrantS  [Member]
12/29/2011 8:22:24 PM
I was just going by Eastwave's website:

$207 for a Eastwave 8X42D

I "believe" that's the scope I looked through at a gunshow. (Black outside, I think that's always been belomo? not positive). I am totally unsure as to the very few other 6X and 4X scopes. It was "okay", but to me, optical clarity (On the 8X Belomo (I think) and the various 4X and 6X scopes) was very similar to a good quality Tasco......

For $200 you can get Japanese scopes, Bushnell Elite fixed 10X scopes, or $40-50 more and get a DOA600 reticle on closeout. Or Weaver Classic 2-10X with a holdover marks.

Not trying to push one way or the other, just wanted to put that out there. I still want a true side-mount scope for my AK, but the number of "My POSP is broken, who will fix it?" threads sorta bother me, when for only a little more I get a scope that can be sent back under warrenty. Now admittedly, there is a LOT more POSP's out there that are in perfect working order.
Liquidmetal  [Team Member]
12/29/2011 9:06:57 PM

Originally Posted By GrantS:
I was just going by Eastwave's website:

$207 for a Eastwave 8X42D

I "believe" that's the scope I looked through at a gunshow. (Black outside, I think that's always been belomo? not positive). I am totally unsure as to the very few other 6X and 4X scopes. It was "okay", but to me, optical clarity (On the 8X Belomo (I think) and the various 4X and 6X scopes) was very similar to a good quality Tasco......

For $200 you can get Japanese scopes, Bushnell Elite fixed 10X scopes, or $40-50 more and get a DOA600 reticle on closeout. Or Weaver Classic 2-10X with a holdover marks.

Not trying to push one way or the other, just wanted to put that out there. I still want a true side-mount scope for my AK, but the number of "My POSP is broken, who will fix it?" threads sorta bother me, when for only a little more I get a scope that can be sent back under warrenty. Now admittedly, there is a LOT more POSP's out there that are in perfect working order.

That's your only first-hand experience on this subject?
GrantS  [Member]
12/29/2011 11:42:01 PM
I was just saying: I'm not an expert on them I've only seen a handful of models in person. I was making three points.

#1. There are a fair number of POSP/etc. owners that have reported problems, some simple such as just little flecks in the scope. Basically the're SOOL unless they're returned very soon after shooting (Eastwave and Kalinka have taken scopes back on occasion). At least I ain't heard of anyone shipping them back to russia.
#2. For $200-$250 (About the price of the typical POSP) there are BDC scopes, admittedly, not as nice a range-finding reticle, but with holdover marks. And for them, they get warrenties/return policies.
#3. Considering that usually indoors+good lighting makes mediocre scopes look like expensive ones. The FEW I've looked at were okay, but in comparison to other models of the same price range weren't as comparable in optical quality (Can't speak for durability).



Citadel-SC  [Member]
12/30/2011 12:23:00 AM
Originally Posted By GrantS:
I was just saying: I'm not an expert on them I've only seen a handful of models in person. I was making three points.

#1. There are a fair number of POSP/etc. owners that have reported problems, some simple such as just little flecks in the scope. Basically the're SOOL unless they're returned very soon after shooting (Eastwave and Kalinka have taken scopes back on occasion). At least I ain't heard of anyone shipping them back to russia.
#2. For $200-$250 (About the price of the typical POSP) there are BDC scopes, admittedly, not as nice a range-finding reticle, but with holdover marks. And for them, they get warrenties/return policies.
#3. Considering that usually indoors+good lighting makes mediocre scopes look like expensive ones. The FEW I've looked at were okay, but in comparison to other models of the same price range weren't as comparable in optical quality (Can't speak for durability).





Funny I have seen very few problems reported. I have owned them and other middle range Western/Japanese optics. The fleck thing....are you referring to the recent post of such or others. It is great glass for the price....you really can't go wrong with them.
kmb147  [Member]
12/30/2011 12:37:21 AM
Originally Posted By Citadel-SC:

Funny I have seen very few problems reported. I have owned them and other middle range Western/Japanese optics. The fleck thing....are you referring to the recent post of such or others. It is great glass for the price....you really can't go wrong with them.


Agree completely. You are more likely to get a good quality BelOMO optic than some of the cheaper "western" (i.e., eastern, i.e., Chinese) made optics. Keep in mind that for $200-250 range (often even less) you are getting the scope AND a good quality mount. Any "western" optic (however defined) will also require a side rail mount or an ultimak-type front mount; hence, higher overall cost.

As Liquidmetal pointed out, the PO 3.5x21P is probably the best of the BelOMO optics I've seen or owned. The glass quality is superb and the FOV is ridiculously large. In my opinion, this is one of the best optics to own for an AK. The only other sight that can compete on even footing with PO is the 1P78 Kashtan. Both are great optics. Look for reviews by TX-Zen of both Kashtan and PO.
GTwannabe  [Team Member]
12/30/2011 3:38:58 PM
Originally Posted By kmb147:
Originally Posted By Citadel-SC:

Funny I have seen very few problems reported. I have owned them and other middle range Western/Japanese optics. The fleck thing....are you referring to the recent post of such or others. It is great glass for the price....you really can't go wrong with them.


Agree completely. You are more likely to get a good quality BelOMO optic than some of the cheaper "western" (i.e., eastern, i.e., Chinese) made optics. Keep in mind that for $200-250 range (often even less) you are getting the scope AND a good quality mount. Any "western" optic (however defined) will also require a side rail mount or an ultimak-type front mount; hence, higher overall cost.

As Liquidmetal pointed out, the PO 3.5x21P is probably the best of the BelOMO optics I've seen or owned. The glass quality is superb and the FOV is ridiculously large. In my opinion, this is one of the best optics to own for an AK. The only other sight that can compete on even footing with PO is the 1P78 Kashtan. Both are great optics. Look for reviews by TX-Zen of both Kashtan and PO.


Be warned, this is what Kalinka considers "normal" for a 1P78 Kashtan:





Then he sent me a replacement with a broken lens cap that was loose and didn't latch. When I returned that unit, he claimed "it was pefect" when shipped and that I must have damaged it. Cocksucker also stole my pics and re-listed my 1st scope on his website with a $30 discount.

Order from Eastwave if you don't want to buy crap cousin Dmitri stole from the QC reject bin.


wulkyrie  [Member]
12/30/2011 10:11:28 PM
Originally Posted By GTwannabe:
Originally Posted By kmb147:
Originally Posted By Citadel-SC:

Funny I have seen very few problems reported. I have owned them and other middle range Western/Japanese optics. The fleck thing....are you referring to the recent post of such or others. It is great glass for the price....you really can't go wrong with them.


Agree completely. You are more likely to get a good quality BelOMO optic than some of the cheaper "western" (i.e., eastern, i.e., Chinese) made optics. Keep in mind that for $200-250 range (often even less) you are getting the scope AND a good quality mount. Any "western" optic (however defined) will also require a side rail mount or an ultimak-type front mount; hence, higher overall cost.

As Liquidmetal pointed out, the PO 3.5x21P is probably the best of the BelOMO optics I've seen or owned. The glass quality is superb and the FOV is ridiculously large. In my opinion, this is one of the best optics to own for an AK. The only other sight that can compete on even footing with PO is the 1P78 Kashtan. Both are great optics. Look for reviews by TX-Zen of both Kashtan and PO.


Be warned, this is what Kalinka considers "normal" for a 1P78 Kashtan:

http://boilrice.no-ip.com:2021/gallery2/d/7502-1/reticle_flaw.jpg

http://boilrice.no-ip.com:2021/gallery2/d/7500-1/reticle_flaw_circled.jpg

Then he sent me a replacement with a broken lens cap that was loose and didn't latch. When I returned that unit, he claimed "it was pefect" when shipped and that I must have damaged it. Cocksucker also stole my pics and re-listed my 1st scope on his website with a $30 discount.

Order from Eastwave if you don't want to buy crap cousin Dmitri stole from the QC reject bin.




Kalinka has the scopes in stock and ships from their warehouse from Florida, but Eastwave ships from Belurus. Quality of merchandise is just as important as CS
GTwannabe  [Team Member]
12/30/2011 11:25:06 PM
Originally Posted By wulkyrie:
Originally Posted By GTwannabe:
Originally Posted By kmb147:
Originally Posted By Citadel-SC:

Funny I have seen very few problems reported. I have owned them and other middle range Western/Japanese optics. The fleck thing....are you referring to the recent post of such or others. It is great glass for the price....you really can't go wrong with them.


Agree completely. You are more likely to get a good quality BelOMO optic than some of the cheaper "western" (i.e., eastern, i.e., Chinese) made optics. Keep in mind that for $200-250 range (often even less) you are getting the scope AND a good quality mount. Any "western" optic (however defined) will also require a side rail mount or an ultimak-type front mount; hence, higher overall cost.

As Liquidmetal pointed out, the PO 3.5x21P is probably the best of the BelOMO optics I've seen or owned. The glass quality is superb and the FOV is ridiculously large. In my opinion, this is one of the best optics to own for an AK. The only other sight that can compete on even footing with PO is the 1P78 Kashtan. Both are great optics. Look for reviews by TX-Zen of both Kashtan and PO.


Be warned, this is what Kalinka considers "normal" for a 1P78 Kashtan:

http://boilrice.no-ip.com:2021/gallery2/d/7502-1/reticle_flaw.jpg

http://boilrice.no-ip.com:2021/gallery2/d/7500-1/reticle_flaw_circled.jpg

Then he sent me a replacement with a broken lens cap that was loose and didn't latch. When I returned that unit, he claimed "it was pefect" when shipped and that I must have damaged it. Cocksucker also stole my pics and re-listed my 1st scope on his website with a $30 discount.

Order from Eastwave if you don't want to buy crap cousin Dmitri stole from the QC reject bin.




Kalinka has the scopes in stock and ships from their warehouse from Florida, but Eastwave ships from Belurus. Quality of merchandise is just as important as CS


Google map Kalinka's "warehouse." It's just some guy's house in the middle of a development.

I ordered a PK-AS from Eastwave after the Kalinka fiasco. Arrived quickly, and was very well packed. The factory box seal was broken, indicating someone bothered to inspect the merchandise before dropping it in the mail.

kmb147  [Member]
12/31/2011 1:24:52 PM
Originally Posted By GTwannabe:
Originally Posted By wulkyrie:
Originally Posted By GTwannabe:
Originally Posted By kmb147:
Originally Posted By Citadel-SC:

Funny I have seen very few problems reported. I have owned them and other middle range Western/Japanese optics. The fleck thing....are you referring to the recent post of such or others. It is great glass for the price....you really can't go wrong with them.


Agree completely. You are more likely to get a good quality BelOMO optic than some of the cheaper "western" (i.e., eastern, i.e., Chinese) made optics. Keep in mind that for $200-250 range (often even less) you are getting the scope AND a good quality mount. Any "western" optic (however defined) will also require a side rail mount or an ultimak-type front mount; hence, higher overall cost.

As Liquidmetal pointed out, the PO 3.5x21P is probably the best of the BelOMO optics I've seen or owned. The glass quality is superb and the FOV is ridiculously large. In my opinion, this is one of the best optics to own for an AK. The only other sight that can compete on even footing with PO is the 1P78 Kashtan. Both are great optics. Look for reviews by TX-Zen of both Kashtan and PO.


Be warned, this is what Kalinka considers "normal" for a 1P78 Kashtan:

http://boilrice.no-ip.com:2021/gallery2/d/7502-1/reticle_flaw.jpg

http://boilrice.no-ip.com:2021/gallery2/d/7500-1/reticle_flaw_circled.jpg

Then he sent me a replacement with a broken lens cap that was loose and didn't latch. When I returned that unit, he claimed "it was pefect" when shipped and that I must have damaged it. Cocksucker also stole my pics and re-listed my 1st scope on his website with a $30 discount.

Order from Eastwave if you don't want to buy crap cousin Dmitri stole from the QC reject bin.




Kalinka has the scopes in stock and ships from their warehouse from Florida, but Eastwave ships from Belurus. Quality of merchandise is just as important as CS


Google map Kalinka's "warehouse." It's just some guy's house in the middle of a development.

I ordered a PK-AS from Eastwave after the Kalinka fiasco. Arrived quickly, and was very well packed. The factory box seal was broken, indicating someone bothered to inspect the merchandise before dropping it in the mail.



I order my optics from Oleg Kononenko. He sells on Gunbroker; goes by ok131583 user name). His merchandise is all top notch quality, no nasty surprises.
X02Wyvern  [Member]
12/31/2011 6:42:37 PM
Originally Posted By GTwannabe:
Google map Kalinka's "warehouse." It's just some guy's house in the middle of a development.


He seems to have wised up to people doing that. his "address" is a box at a ups store.

JTY  [Member]
1/5/2012 2:22:55 PM
I've owned a few different BelOmo products, all worked well. Definitely buy from EastWave. Shipping may take a bit longer than from say Kalinka, but the service is good. Currently running a PK-A on my AK74, works and functions like a charm. Oddly enough I've had people tell me they like it more than my Aimpoint.
wulkyrie  [Member]
1/6/2012 10:23:19 AM
Originally Posted By JTY:
I've owned a few different BelOmo products, all worked well. Definitely buy from EastWave. Shipping may take a bit longer than from say Kalinka, but the service is good. Currently running a PK-A on my AK74, works and functions like a charm. Oddly enough I've had people tell me they like it more than my Aimpoint.


Thanks for the info