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AK 74 rifles for sale - Gun shops, Equipment Exchange, & gun show rant
5/1/2012 9:21:47 PM
It seems as of late that with 74 mags drying up, people have become quite simply douchebags when it comes to selling AK74 rifles. When I see an AK for sale For a premium price of say $800 for a kit build, or $1500 for a custom folder all tricked out and tacticool, then the fine print or the tag says "gun only, no mags" it makes my head want to explode. You know who you are, you probably have a big plastic container with 60 mags in it under your bed.
With that being said, it is a free country, and you can sell it any way you want but as a collector / enthusiast I refuse to buy any such rifle with no mag. Even though I have extra mags myself, and if I bought a rifle without one I could simply go to my range bag and pull one out & stick in the gun, I'm just not gonna take. Understand that selling a detachable mag rifle with no mag is no different that selling one without a trigger, or a front sight. Quite frankly I would give a hundred bucks more to someone advertising theirs with 1 mag vs one advertised " gun only". Selling a rifle and purposely keeping every single mag for it in my mind speaks volumes of a person's character. You are now welcome to flame me, but I just had to vent as I went to a show a couple of weeks ago and saw this, as well as the equipment exchange has had a few, and at a local gun shop on a new rifle for Christ's sake. (won't be buying anything there anymore)
With that being said, it is a free country, and you can sell it any way you want but as a collector / enthusiast I refuse to buy any such rifle with no mag. Even though I have extra mags myself, and if I bought a rifle without one I could simply go to my range bag and pull one out & stick in the gun, I'm just not gonna take. Understand that selling a detachable mag rifle with no mag is no different that selling one without a trigger, or a front sight. Quite frankly I would give a hundred bucks more to someone advertising theirs with 1 mag vs one advertised " gun only". Selling a rifle and purposely keeping every single mag for it in my mind speaks volumes of a person's character. You are now welcome to flame me, but I just had to vent as I went to a show a couple of weeks ago and saw this, as well as the equipment exchange has had a few, and at a local gun shop on a new rifle for Christ's sake. (won't be buying anything there anymore)
5/1/2012 9:27:49 PM
In a way I agree, but they might have other weapons that use the same magazines......
5/1/2012 9:36:59 PM
And with the current perceived shortage of cheap 74 mags, folks are more likely to hold on to them, perhaps some for speculation.
5/1/2012 9:47:49 PM
If just one mag is so valuable, just tack on another $50 bucks to the price. For the first time 74 buyer, 9 out of 10 people are gonna pass on a rifle with no mag. Even though I have a dozen 74 mags myself, I have recently passed on 2 rifles just for this reason. A dealer pulling this stunt is worse than what happened in '94, when they were pulling the extra mag out of new pistols, selling them for a $100 each and still getting full price for the pistol.
5/1/2012 10:09:18 PM
Originally Posted By DaffyDuck:
If just one mag is so valuable, just tack on another $50 bucks to the price. For the first time 74 buyer, 9 out of 10 people are gonna pass on a rifle with no mag. Even though I have a dozen 74 mags myself, I have recently passed on 2 rifles just for this reason. A dealer pulling this stunt is worse than what happened in '94, when they were pulling the extra mag out of new pistols, selling them for a $100 each and still getting full price for the pistol.
If just one mag is so valuable, just tack on another $50 bucks to the price. For the first time 74 buyer, 9 out of 10 people are gonna pass on a rifle with no mag. Even though I have a dozen 74 mags myself, I have recently passed on 2 rifles just for this reason. A dealer pulling this stunt is worse than what happened in '94, when they were pulling the extra mag out of new pistols, selling them for a $100 each and still getting full price for the pistol.
You hit the nail right there. It's another way to make more money by pricing the base rifle low enough to entice buyers, knowing they WILL NEED mags. When they list a price, they know that if they bump the price to accomodate for the cost of the mag, they price themselves out of the market. How many times have you seen stuff not sold because it's $50 more than the next one? The moment they price drop, 10 guys show up. They're banking on buyers not making a full account of what's included and hope that the buyers only focus on the rifle and not anything else. And it's not just guns. Home builders, car dealers, software. You name it, they do it too.
5/1/2012 10:39:17 PM
wait until the next batch of surplus 74 mags comes in,it'll be back down to ten bucks per
5/1/2012 10:43:51 PM
Originally Posted By ftw13:
wait until the next batch of surplus 74 mags comes in,it'll be back down to ten bucks per
wait until the next batch of surplus 74 mags comes in,it'll be back down to ten bucks per
This
I'm done buying until the election is over and until the next pallet of 5.45 and mags come in.
You don't have to buy another gun right now, if you wait the market will adjust.
5/1/2012 10:56:43 PM
Originally Posted By purevl2:
This
I'm done buying until the election is over and until the next pallet of 5.45 and mags come in.
You don't have to buy another gun right now, if you wait the market will adjust.
Originally Posted By ftw13:
wait until the next batch of surplus 74 mags comes in,it'll be back down to ten bucks per
wait until the next batch of surplus 74 mags comes in,it'll be back down to ten bucks per
This
I'm done buying until the election is over and until the next pallet of 5.45 and mags come in.
You don't have to buy another gun right now, if you wait the market will adjust.
But guns are gonna get banned right after the election, right?
5/1/2012 11:05:40 PM
When I have sold guns I always included two mags. But when you buy a Saiga you only get one 10 round mag with it. Now if someone is selling you a converted Saiga do you think they should sell it with the original mag or should they go buy some extra military mags for you.
What about if you are buying a Romanian rifle from them? I've owned and sold about 7 of those. They all came from Century with 5 or 10 round mags. Should these be sold with the original mags or should the seller just go out and buy a hicap mag for you?
When I bought an Arsenal SLR105 from a dealer at a gun show the first year they were available I don't remember if there was any mag in the box, if there was it wasn't a 30 round mag.
Would you be upset if they sold that rifle to you with 2 Tapco 30 round mags?
Basically, out of the 15 or so AKs I have bought over the years and 10 or so ARs, very few came from the dealer or importer with a hi cap mag. 5 or 10 round mags were the norm.
What about if you are buying a Romanian rifle from them? I've owned and sold about 7 of those. They all came from Century with 5 or 10 round mags. Should these be sold with the original mags or should the seller just go out and buy a hicap mag for you?
When I bought an Arsenal SLR105 from a dealer at a gun show the first year they were available I don't remember if there was any mag in the box, if there was it wasn't a 30 round mag.
Would you be upset if they sold that rifle to you with 2 Tapco 30 round mags?
Basically, out of the 15 or so AKs I have bought over the years and 10 or so ARs, very few came from the dealer or importer with a hi cap mag. 5 or 10 round mags were the norm.
5/1/2012 11:26:21 PM
Only thing better than a plastic container full of mags is a 500 lb safe full of mags 
Makes me want to vomit when I think about how much I have spent on that stuff.
Makes me want to vomit when I think about how much I have spent on that stuff.
5/1/2012 11:29:05 PM
Originally Posted By DaffyDuck:
You know who you are, you probably have a big plastic container with 60 mags in it under your bed.
You know who you are, you probably have a big plastic container with 60 mags in it under your bed.
Actually, I have more than that, and they were $4 apiece from CHIEF THUNDER.
5/2/2012 12:35:26 AM
I never sale a rifle without atleast a single mag included... doesn't feel right.
5/2/2012 1:33:44 AM
Originally Posted By Tyrvidar:
I never sale a rifle without atleast a single mag included... doesn't feel right.
I never sale a rifle without atleast a single mag included... doesn't feel right.
This^. I always sell a gun with one mag. It might not be hi cap and I won't guarantee it's really nice, but it will be functional. If I'm selling a gun with mags that only it can use then I'll usually end up selling all of them with it.
5/2/2012 6:15:23 AM
Supply and demand does weird things to "market pressures"... (greed) this is WHY we need a good source of domesticly produced 74 mags. Like DSA has done with their excellent FAL mags. Mags are not rocket science folks, and someone like TAPCO or US Palm could make even a better mag than they already do if they wanted to and make a $$$$$ This is one of the reasons why i got a 5.45 upper for my AR...
5/2/2012 1:37:27 PM
I totally agree with you. Im glad I bought into the paranoia early and bought them cheap . I usually dont resale them .My first two I just put up for sale on the EE and I think Im asking too much. No mag equals no sale in my mind. even a low cap mag is bs unless thats what it came with.
5/2/2012 2:08:53 PM
I am still holding out hope that MagPul will make some. I hope you are right about another shipment of mags someday soon.
5/2/2012 3:49:54 PM
If I had a rifle to sell, I'd include a mag or two. If I were getting rid of a platform I'd also give you the option of buying all my mags, but I'm surly not gonna include all my mags.
5/2/2012 4:19:09 PM
Originally Posted By poorman:
I am still holding out hope that MagPul will make some. I hope you are right about another shipment of mags someday soon.
I am still holding out hope that MagPul will make some. I hope you are right about another shipment of mags someday soon.
Me too I send them an email about once a week inquiring about them. If enough people contact them and show interest you know they will produce a product.
5/2/2012 5:55:29 PM
Originally Posted By ftw13:
wait until the next batch of surplus 74 mags comes in,it'll be back down to ten bucks per
wait until the next batch of surplus 74 mags comes in,it'll be back down to ten bucks per
Can we fast forward to whenever that will be?
5/2/2012 6:03:09 PM
Keep looking man. The deals are there, it'll just take some patience.
5/2/2012 6:30:39 PM
I like to give them 1 mag.. keep the spring.. then make em buy it for an extra 20 :D kidding of course
5/2/2012 7:15:33 PM
I might be in the minority here, ‘cause I don’t necessarily have a problem with this.
While I’ve always included at least one magazine with every rifle I’ve ever sold, and while I will continue to do so if I ever sell a rifle in the future, that’s because I feel that doing so will help me sell the rifle. I wouldn’t do it out of some non-existent moral obligation.
The market for 74 mags has changed dramatically over the last six months, and these magazines are now expensive relative to their previous cost. Someone might choose to sell the rifle without a magazine for any of a number of reasons. Maybe that seller has another 74 and only a couple mags himself, and doesn't want to replace a $10 mag with a $30 mag. Maybe he bought the gun himself without a mag. Maybe the gun came with a Pro-mag, and he doesn’t think most people would want it. Maybe it came with a 5 or 10 round mag, and he either doesn't think a buyer would want it, or he wants to sell it separately for the $45 K-Var wants for a 10-rounder. Or maybe the guy’s just greedy.
The point is, none of that matters. If someone says, “I am selling XXXX for $XXXX”, you can either choose to buy it or not. It’s a voluntary transaction on both sides, and presumably both parties won’t enter into the transaction unless both parties are satisfied with the exchange. Is it a bad business idea to sell a rifle without a magazine? Probably. Does it speak to someone’s character, as the OP states? No. That’s absurd.
And does this cloudy principle of “what’s right” work both ways? When a guy tacticool’s an AK, it’s well-known that he often won’t be able to sell the rifle for what he has into it. On those occasions, would you say, “I can’t only pay you what you’re asking for the rifle. Clearly with all those accessories, you have more into this rifle than you’re now asking for it. I insist on paying you $150 more than you’re asking!” If you DON’T offer to pay him for those extra accessories, is that a sign of poor character on your part? Or is it a simple acknowledgement that the market is what it is, and the poor seller is S.O.L. because he can’t get his money back on those accessories?
It’s the same thing. With the market being what it is right now, guys can sell a rifle without a magazine. That market circumstance is not a slight on anyone’s character. It just is what it is. Just like it’s not a slight on your character if you don’t offer to pay more when you know a rifle is worth more than the seller is asking.
In essence OP, I agree that not including a mag might make it slightly harder to sell a gun. But it’s absurd to think it's a barometer of someone’s character.
While I’ve always included at least one magazine with every rifle I’ve ever sold, and while I will continue to do so if I ever sell a rifle in the future, that’s because I feel that doing so will help me sell the rifle. I wouldn’t do it out of some non-existent moral obligation.
The market for 74 mags has changed dramatically over the last six months, and these magazines are now expensive relative to their previous cost. Someone might choose to sell the rifle without a magazine for any of a number of reasons. Maybe that seller has another 74 and only a couple mags himself, and doesn't want to replace a $10 mag with a $30 mag. Maybe he bought the gun himself without a mag. Maybe the gun came with a Pro-mag, and he doesn’t think most people would want it. Maybe it came with a 5 or 10 round mag, and he either doesn't think a buyer would want it, or he wants to sell it separately for the $45 K-Var wants for a 10-rounder. Or maybe the guy’s just greedy.
The point is, none of that matters. If someone says, “I am selling XXXX for $XXXX”, you can either choose to buy it or not. It’s a voluntary transaction on both sides, and presumably both parties won’t enter into the transaction unless both parties are satisfied with the exchange. Is it a bad business idea to sell a rifle without a magazine? Probably. Does it speak to someone’s character, as the OP states? No. That’s absurd.
And does this cloudy principle of “what’s right” work both ways? When a guy tacticool’s an AK, it’s well-known that he often won’t be able to sell the rifle for what he has into it. On those occasions, would you say, “I can’t only pay you what you’re asking for the rifle. Clearly with all those accessories, you have more into this rifle than you’re now asking for it. I insist on paying you $150 more than you’re asking!” If you DON’T offer to pay him for those extra accessories, is that a sign of poor character on your part? Or is it a simple acknowledgement that the market is what it is, and the poor seller is S.O.L. because he can’t get his money back on those accessories?
It’s the same thing. With the market being what it is right now, guys can sell a rifle without a magazine. That market circumstance is not a slight on anyone’s character. It just is what it is. Just like it’s not a slight on your character if you don’t offer to pay more when you know a rifle is worth more than the seller is asking.
In essence OP, I agree that not including a mag might make it slightly harder to sell a gun. But it’s absurd to think it's a barometer of someone’s character.
5/2/2012 7:16:23 PM
Scummy practice. 
I'll never sell a semi-auto with less than two mags.
I'll never sell a semi-auto with less than two mags.
5/2/2012 8:03:52 PM
If I bought a rifle with no mag,and then sell it later down the road that is how it gets sold.
Just exactly how I bought it.
Just exactly how I bought it.
5/2/2012 8:17:24 PM
I will always sell a semi-auto with at least one mag included.
5/2/2012 8:27:10 PM
It's no biggie to me. The seller is stating the terms of the sale. If he states "no mag, no cleaning kit included" I know exactly what I 'm getting.
I sell semis with at least one mag though.
I sell semis with at least one mag though.
5/2/2012 8:48:52 PM
mags
are you going into combat tomorrow? if not, buy those.
they work fine and you can get orange ones
are you going into combat tomorrow? if not, buy those.
they work fine and you can get orange ones
5/2/2012 9:14:54 PM
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
mags
are you going into combat tomorrow? if not, buy those.
they work fine and you can get orange ones
mags
are you going into combat tomorrow? if not, buy those.
they work fine and you can get orange ones
I have 5 of those and surprisingly it's something Tapco got right.
6/3/2012 4:54:20 PM
I saw a new AK74 Polish tantal for sale for 450 on gunborker with 1 magazine last night.
6/3/2012 5:12:36 PM
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
mags
are you going into combat tomorrow? if not, buy those.
they work fine and you can get orange ones
mags
are you going into combat tomorrow? if not, buy those.
they work fine and you can get orange ones
These are excellent magazines. I have a lot of Tapcos
6/3/2012 5:33:06 PM
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
These are excellent magazines. I have a lot of Tapcos
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
mags
are you going into combat tomorrow? if not, buy those.
they work fine and you can get orange ones
mags
are you going into combat tomorrow? if not, buy those.
they work fine and you can get orange ones
These are excellent magazines. I have a lot of Tapcos
why spend that con crap.. you can get a quality mag for double the price every day on the EE here or on the ak files marketplace!!
6/3/2012 7:59:35 PM
Originally Posted By irierider:
why spend that con crap.. you can get a quality mag for double the price every day on the EE here or on the ak files marketplace!!
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
These are excellent magazines. I have a lot of Tapcos
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
mags
are you going into combat tomorrow? if not, buy those.
they work fine and you can get orange ones
mags
are you going into combat tomorrow? if not, buy those.
they work fine and you can get orange ones
These are excellent magazines. I have a lot of Tapcos
why spend that con crap.. you can get a quality mag for double the price every day on the EE here or on the ak files marketplace!!
From what it sounds like, they aren't crap.
6/3/2012 8:21:44 PM
Originally Posted By irierider:
why spend that con crap.. you can get a quality mag for double the price every day on the EE here or on the ak files marketplace!!
Originally Posted By TheGrandIllusion:
These are excellent magazines. I have a lot of Tapcos
Originally Posted By Finslayer83:
mags
are you going into combat tomorrow? if not, buy those.
they work fine and you can get orange ones
mags
are you going into combat tomorrow? if not, buy those.
they work fine and you can get orange ones
These are excellent magazines. I have a lot of Tapcos
why spend that con crap.. you can get a quality mag for double the price every day on the EE here or on the ak files marketplace!!
Mine haven't been crap
6/3/2012 8:59:30 PM
Originally Posted By StephenNW:
I might be in the minority here, ‘cause I don’t necessarily have a problem with this.
While I’ve always included at least one magazine with every rifle I’ve ever sold, and while I will continue to do so if I ever sell a rifle in the future, that’s because I feel that doing so will help me sell the rifle. I wouldn’t do it out of some non-existent moral obligation.
The market for 74 mags has changed dramatically over the last six months, and these magazines are now expensive relative to their previous cost. Someone might choose to sell the rifle without a magazine for any of a number of reasons. Maybe that seller has another 74 and only a couple mags himself, and doesn't want to replace a $10 mag with a $30 mag. Maybe he bought the gun himself without a mag. Maybe the gun came with a Pro-mag, and he doesn’t think most people would want it. Maybe it came with a 5 or 10 round mag, and he either doesn't think a buyer would want it, or he wants to sell it separately for the $45 K-Var wants for a 10-rounder. Or maybe the guy’s just greedy.
The point is, none of that matters. If someone says, “I am selling XXXX for $XXXX”, you can either choose to buy it or not. It’s a voluntary transaction on both sides, and presumably both parties won’t enter into the transaction unless both parties are satisfied with the exchange. Is it a bad business idea to sell a rifle without a magazine? Probably. Does it speak to someone’s character, as the OP states? No. That’s absurd.
And does this cloudy principle of “what’s right” work both ways? When a guy tacticool’s an AK, it’s well-known that he often won’t be able to sell the rifle for what he has into it. On those occasions, would you say, “I can’t only pay you what you’re asking for the rifle. Clearly with all those accessories, you have more into this rifle than you’re now asking for it. I insist on paying you $150 more than you’re asking!” If you DON’T offer to pay him for those extra accessories, is that a sign of poor character on your part? Or is it a simple acknowledgement that the market is what it is, and the poor seller is S.O.L. because he can’t get his money back on those accessories?
It’s the same thing. With the market being what it is right now, guys can sell a rifle without a magazine. That market circumstance is not a slight on anyone’s character. It just is what it is. Just like it’s not a slight on your character if you don’t offer to pay more when you know a rifle is worth more than the seller is asking.
In essence OP, I agree that not including a mag might make it slightly harder to sell a gun. But it’s absurd to think it's a barometer of someone’s character.
I might be in the minority here, ‘cause I don’t necessarily have a problem with this.
While I’ve always included at least one magazine with every rifle I’ve ever sold, and while I will continue to do so if I ever sell a rifle in the future, that’s because I feel that doing so will help me sell the rifle. I wouldn’t do it out of some non-existent moral obligation.
The market for 74 mags has changed dramatically over the last six months, and these magazines are now expensive relative to their previous cost. Someone might choose to sell the rifle without a magazine for any of a number of reasons. Maybe that seller has another 74 and only a couple mags himself, and doesn't want to replace a $10 mag with a $30 mag. Maybe he bought the gun himself without a mag. Maybe the gun came with a Pro-mag, and he doesn’t think most people would want it. Maybe it came with a 5 or 10 round mag, and he either doesn't think a buyer would want it, or he wants to sell it separately for the $45 K-Var wants for a 10-rounder. Or maybe the guy’s just greedy.
The point is, none of that matters. If someone says, “I am selling XXXX for $XXXX”, you can either choose to buy it or not. It’s a voluntary transaction on both sides, and presumably both parties won’t enter into the transaction unless both parties are satisfied with the exchange. Is it a bad business idea to sell a rifle without a magazine? Probably. Does it speak to someone’s character, as the OP states? No. That’s absurd.
And does this cloudy principle of “what’s right” work both ways? When a guy tacticool’s an AK, it’s well-known that he often won’t be able to sell the rifle for what he has into it. On those occasions, would you say, “I can’t only pay you what you’re asking for the rifle. Clearly with all those accessories, you have more into this rifle than you’re now asking for it. I insist on paying you $150 more than you’re asking!” If you DON’T offer to pay him for those extra accessories, is that a sign of poor character on your part? Or is it a simple acknowledgement that the market is what it is, and the poor seller is S.O.L. because he can’t get his money back on those accessories?
It’s the same thing. With the market being what it is right now, guys can sell a rifle without a magazine. That market circumstance is not a slight on anyone’s character. It just is what it is. Just like it’s not a slight on your character if you don’t offer to pay more when you know a rifle is worth more than the seller is asking.
In essence OP, I agree that not including a mag might make it slightly harder to sell a gun. But it’s absurd to think it's a barometer of someone’s character.
I'm with you, this is how capitalism works, folks. If the zero-mag-seller-in-question decides to sell with one mag, I suspect it will be because of market forces, not because of a new sense of right and wrong.
6/3/2012 9:57:37 PM
I have one east german bakelite, one plum bulgy and three black Bulgies. And about 20 strippers . That should be enough as i dont go on war footing . If riots and chaos do happen, then ill have to make up with what i have.
6/4/2012 1:14:59 AM
Originally Posted By BushInternational:
I have one east german bakelite, one plum bulgy and three black Bulgies. And about 20 strippers . That should be enough as i dont go on war footing . If riots and chaos do happen, then ill have to make up with what i have.
I have one east german bakelite, one plum bulgy and three black Bulgies. And about 20 strippers . That should be enough as i dont go on war footing . If riots and chaos do happen, then ill have to make up with what i have.
Realistically, yes 5 mags out to do you just fine.
But, I bought my first gun in 2002. It was a Bushmaster AR. I got a 10 round mag with the rifle, and bought 2 30 round mags for over 30 bucks a piece. While those 30 rounds function just fine, they are pretty worn. It was jaw dropping to see the price of new 30 round mags plummet to 1/3rd of what paid for those beat up mags. But, it wasn't lost on me that one bad piece of legislation could put them right back up there.
6/4/2012 9:44:12 AM
Back in the bad old days it was common practice for Dealers in gunstores to rob the magazines out of the boxes of new firearms for separate sale.
You'd look in the box and there'd be the empty cavity in the styrofoam where the mags had been packed, mocking you. They might leave you one, but never the extras.
They might still do it, but I wouldn't know. I haven't bought a new gun out of a gunstore's inventory in about 20 years. I only order online and have the transfer done, and I always check the contents before I leave the shop. Those pirates can go suck a dick.
You'd look in the box and there'd be the empty cavity in the styrofoam where the mags had been packed, mocking you. They might leave you one, but never the extras.
They might still do it, but I wouldn't know. I haven't bought a new gun out of a gunstore's inventory in about 20 years. I only order online and have the transfer done, and I always check the contents before I leave the shop. Those pirates can go suck a dick.
6/4/2012 12:04:37 PM
Glad I bought all my 74 mags back when they were cheap. But I'm smart like that.
6/4/2012 2:33:44 PM
Yeah, it's cheap, and it's not taking care of the buyer. Like selling a used car with an 8th of a tank of gas in it. I try to make sure anyone I'm selling something to has a warm and fuzzy when they walk away, because I'd like others to do the same for me.
6/4/2012 2:49:34 PM
i fucking hate hoarders,they're about the same as oil speculators to me. people like that manipulate and drive prices up
